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(09-18-2022 03:26 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(09-18-2022 02:08 PM)bit_9 Wrote:  

(09-18-2022 02:01 PM)bigblueodu Wrote:  How many times did we ask Wolff to hand off on first and second down and then expect him to pickup a 3rd and 8 or greater.
Let the man play.

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I'd like to see us switch to pass first. We saw we can take some chunks on the ground and Watson is good. But I'd like to see what we look like in that 20 to 25 rushing attempts range.

The problem, IMO, is that our passing game is very weak. 54% completion percentage and 6.7 ypa. When you factor in the sacks, the passing game has been really bad.

Not that the running game has been good either. Def a problem. Lets see when they face G5 schools.

ECU is a G5 school.

(09-18-2022 01:32 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  Here are the really disturbing numbers re: our rushing attack

I chose to compare what I consider inferior teams rushing stats vs ours, against common opponents. Admittedly it is early in the season, and a very small sample size


VT:
ODU ran for 84 yards on 33 carries @2.5 yards per carry
Wofford ran for 38 yards on 24 carries @1.6 yards per carry


ECU:
ODU ran for 15 yards on 14 carries @1.1 yards per carry
Campbell ran for 103 yards on 33 carries @3.1 yards per carry.

UVA:
ODU ran for 89 yards on 32 carries @2.8 yards per carry
Richmond ran for 170 yards on 35 carries @4.9 yards per carry.

And while each game is different, and it is dangerous to try to apply the transitive property to football, the above numbers, to me, show that we have one heck of a scoring defense, a good quick strike passing attack, and a rushing attack that may very well be the worst in our history.

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We have seen the impact a mobile qb can have on a game two weeks in a row. The ECU kid and Armstrong were almost carbon copies in the way they turned bad plays into gains. We don't have that. Physically, Wolff can only do what he can do, and, without evidence I believe he has a knee issue. Also without evidence, I am sure we are recruiting more mobile qbs, because the offense is severely limited without one. We also desperately need a second wideout. Please, someone step up to fill that vital role.

(09-18-2022 08:25 AM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(09-17-2022 05:42 PM)odufansam Wrote:  There aren't many plays you can call when your offensive line can't block.

I will F off if you want

Your QB is immobile and it makes your oline's job hard. The QB can't buy time outside of the pocket which also makes it harder on the WRs

The QB just can't or won't move

I wanted ODU to win yesterday, actually thought ODU had won with 1 minute left

I’ve said it once and will say it again. Wolff goes down faster than a $1000 hooker.

(09-18-2022 03:49 PM)bench jockey Wrote:  We have seen the impact a mobile qb can have on a game two weeks in a row. The ECU kid and Armstrong were almost carbon copies in the way they turned bad plays into gains. We don't have that. Physically, Wolff can only do what he can do, and, without evidence I believe he has a knee issue. Also without evidence, I am sure we are recruiting more mobile qbs, because the offense is severely limited without one. We also desperately need a second wideout. Please, someone step up to fill that vital role.

Gotta have the QB throw the ball to a 2nd WR.

Pocket passers are fine if they are great at passing, maneuvering in the pocket, identifying blitzes, and making accurate passes.

Having a mobile QB can help but it doesn't mean we have to have a mobile QB. We just need a good QB.

(09-18-2022 05:21 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(09-18-2022 03:49 PM)bench jockey Wrote:  We have seen the impact a mobile qb can have on a game two weeks in a row. The ECU kid and Armstrong were almost carbon copies in the way they turned bad plays into gains. We don't have that. Physically, Wolff can only do what he can do, and, without evidence I believe he has a knee issue. Also without evidence, I am sure we are recruiting more mobile qbs, because the offense is severely limited without one. We also desperately need a second wideout. Please, someone step up to fill that vital role.

Gotta have the QB throw the ball to a 2nd WR.

Pocket passers are fine if they are great at passing, maneuvering in the pocket, identifying blitzes, and making accurate passes.

Having a mobile QB can help but it doesn't mean we have to have a mobile QB. We just need a good QB.

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(09-18-2022 03:32 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(09-18-2022 03:26 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(09-18-2022 02:08 PM)bit_9 Wrote:  

(09-18-2022 02:01 PM)bigblueodu Wrote:  How many times did we ask Wolff to hand off on first and second down and then expect him to pickup a 3rd and 8 or greater.
Let the man play.

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I'd like to see us switch to pass first. We saw we can take some chunks on the ground and Watson is good. But I'd like to see what we look like in that 20 to 25 rushing attempts range.

The problem, IMO, is that our passing game is very weak. 54% completion percentage and 6.7 ypa. When you factor in the sacks, the passing game has been really bad.

Not that the running game has been good either. Def a problem. Lets see when they face G5 schools.

ECU is a G5 school.

I think he means the next G5 school that ODU looks good against. That one didn't count.

(09-18-2022 05:21 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(09-18-2022 03:49 PM)bench jockey Wrote:  We have seen the impact a mobile qb can have on a game two weeks in a row. The ECU kid and Armstrong were almost carbon copies in the way they turned bad plays into gains. We don't have that. Physically, Wolff can only do what he can do, and, without evidence I believe he has a knee issue. Also without evidence, I am sure we are recruiting more mobile qbs, because the offense is severely limited without one. We also desperately need a second wideout. Please, someone step up to fill that vital role.

Gotta have the QB throw the ball to a 2nd WR.

Pocket passers are fine if they are great at passing, maneuvering in the pocket, identifying blitzes, and making accurate passes.

Having a mobile QB can help but it doesn't mean we have to have a mobile QB. We just need a good QB.

Having a mobile QB helps the running game also. Some people on here say we aren’t running a RPO. Whatever it is, it looks like Wolff is holding the ball in the RB’s belly while making a read. It’s not just a straight handoff. A mobile QB will keep defenses honest in the running game. We don’t have that with Wolff. But I have to say I’m pretty impressed with his passing game, despite his mobility issues. He is finding open receivers and getting them the ball accurately. Sure, he is keying on our best receivers, but he is sprinkling in some Bly, Paige, Grainger, and others. Just enough. He doesn’t have great pocket awareness, but don’t think there is a pill for that. This team can be very successful if we can give Wolff a little time to throw. But we have to mix things up in the running game. And if the coaches truly are just calling straight handoffs with no read, then occasionally call a QB keeper. Like on 4th and 1.

If Wolff can't or won't run the coaches should have tailored the offense to suit this, you have to adjust things to the personnel you have and their strengths you can't continue to try and force a square peg in a round hole and expect it to work. Look at Lane Kiffin for example, the past few years he slung it around a lot, well this year they don't have the QBs and WRs I assume but they have an amazing RB room so they are much more run focused.

Just sayin...

We beat one ACC Team by 3 and we lost to an ACC Team by 2 having the lead by 2 with 0:02 seconds left in the game. The strategy may be to keep the game as close as possible to give us a shot at the end.

(09-19-2022 06:34 AM)ODUODUODU Wrote:  Just sayin...

We beat one ACC Team by 3 and we lost to an ACC Team by 2 having the lead by 2 with 0:02 seconds left in the game. The strategy may be to keep the game as close as possible to give us a shot at the end.

I know most are doom and gloom. But I'd like to double down on that. We were expected to lose all 3 games and by at least a TD or more. We are 1-2 and one of the losses to a UVA team that was preseason picked ahead of VT, Duke, and Georgia Tech was in the last second heroics of a great QB.

I know there are no moral victories but I'd say we've performed admirably despite the offensive woes.

(09-18-2022 03:32 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(09-18-2022 03:26 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(09-18-2022 02:08 PM)bit_9 Wrote:  

(09-18-2022 02:01 PM)bigblueodu Wrote:  How many times did we ask Wolff to hand off on first and second down and then expect him to pickup a 3rd and 8 or greater.
Let the man play.

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I'd like to see us switch to pass first. We saw we can take some chunks on the ground and Watson is good. But I'd like to see what we look like in that 20 to 25 rushing attempts range.

The problem, IMO, is that our passing game is very weak. 54% completion percentage and 6.7 ypa. When you factor in the sacks, the passing game has been really bad.

Not that the running game has been good either. Def a problem. Lets see when they face G5 schools.

ECU is a G5 school.

Right. And so are all of the remaining teams, correct?

(09-19-2022 07:19 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  

(09-19-2022 06:34 AM)ODUODUODU Wrote:  Just sayin...

We beat one ACC Team by 3 and we lost to an ACC Team by 2 having the lead by 2 with 0:02 seconds left in the game. The strategy may be to keep the game as close as possible to give us a shot at the end.

I know most are doom and gloom. But I'd like to double down on that. We were expected to lose all 3 games and by at least a TD or more. We are 1-2 and one of the losses to a UVA team that was preseason picked ahead of VT, Duke, and Georgia Tech was in the last second heroics of a great QB.

I know there are no moral victories but I'd say we've performed admirably despite the offensive woes.

In the grand scheme of things 1-2 is not really that bad. Im sure most would take 1-2 if we had to predict before the season started.

I think some of the things offensively that we struggled last year with are still popping up but we are about to step down in competition from what we've faced so far so I fully expect both side of the ball to look better.

(09-19-2022 08:37 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(09-19-2022 07:19 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  

(09-19-2022 06:34 AM)ODUODUODU Wrote:  Just sayin...

We beat one ACC Team by 3 and we lost to an ACC Team by 2 having the lead by 2 with 0:02 seconds left in the game. The strategy may be to keep the game as close as possible to give us a shot at the end.

I know most are doom and gloom. But I'd like to double down on that. We were expected to lose all 3 games and by at least a TD or more. We are 1-2 and one of the losses to a UVA team that was preseason picked ahead of VT, Duke, and Georgia Tech was in the last second heroics of a great QB.

I know there are no moral victories but I'd say we've performed admirably despite the offensive woes.

In the grand scheme of things 1-2 is not really that bad. Im sure most would take 1-2 if we had to predict before the season started.

I think some of the things offensively that we struggled last year with are still popping up but we are about to step down in competition from what we've faced so far so I fully expect both side of the ball to look better.

I don't think 1-2 is that bad. I think the way we looked in the 3 games is the problem.

(09-18-2022 09:56 PM)Justice2318 Wrote:  If Wolff can't or won't run the coaches should have tailored the offense to suit this, you have to adjust things to the personnel you have and their strengths you can't continue to try and force a square peg in a round hole and expect it to work. Look at Lane Kiffin for example, the past few years he slung it around a lot, well this year they don't have the QBs and WRs I assume but they have an amazing RB room so they are much more run focused.

Agree 100 pct…..

One tweak I would like to see - The option plays Wolff should keep some those handoffs and throw a quick pass. Wolff running after handing the ball off is a waste of time and energy. The running game will remain stagnant until ODU make some necessary changes.

ODU is on the right track. I think some small changes will make a big difference for the team.

(09-17-2022 09:23 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(09-17-2022 08:36 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(09-17-2022 07:27 PM)odufansam Wrote:  

(09-17-2022 06:05 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(09-17-2022 06:00 PM)odufansam Wrote:  This was a must-win if we wanted to keep our bowl hopes alive. I know that sounds ridiculous this early in the season, but the schedule only gets more difficult. There’s only two teams left that wouldn’t beat UVA.

So you think JMU, Liberty, Arkansas State, Coastal, Georgia Southern, Georgia State, and Southern Alabama are better than UVA, VT, and ECU?

I would take all of them to beat UVA but Arkansas State and Georgia Southern. Georgia Southern could do it though. They already beat Nebraska, so its not like its out of the realm of possiblity.

Agreed. UVA is not good. They’d probably finish 5th or 6th in the SB east. We blew a big opportunity to get a win on them when they were down, and mostly beat ourselves today.

5th or 6th in SunBelt East? You have lost your mind. Which QBs in the Sun Belt are better than Armstrong?

"You guys act like we are playing in the SEC.

App State- 4 point win vs. Troy (hail mary)
Coastal- 12 point win over Buffalo
JMU- Bye (has played no one)
Georgia Southern- 14 point loss to UAB
Marshall- Lost to Bowling Green
Georgia State- In a dogfight with Charlotte, who might be the worst team in college football"

McCall is better than Armstrong but CCU hasn’t looked stellar.

Maybe... Coastal played a joke of an OOC schedule so far (have UVA later) so its hard to tell just yet. McCall is really good though.

I’d love to have a more mobile QB, Wolff isn’t that guy and never will be. We have two on the bench but Wolff has the coaches confidence and he’s been throwing some good passes the past two games. I wouldn’t trade accuracy for mobility so I’m gonna have to trust the coaches judgement on this one.

Running game was better on Saturday but not where it needs to be and sometimes entirely too predictable. I liked the RB screen passes to Sims, hadn’t seen much of that yet.

(09-19-2022 09:56 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  Maybe... Coastal played a joke of an OOC schedule so far (have UVA later) so its hard to tell just yet. McCall is really good though.

CCU isn’t the same team as the past few years but McCall still is. That’s a game we can win.

(09-19-2022 09:58 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  I’d love to have a more mobile QB, Wolff isn’t that guy and never will be. We have two on the bench but Wolff has the coaches confidence and he’s been throwing some good passes the past two games. I wouldn’t trade accuracy for mobility so I’m gonna have to trust the coaches judgement on this one.

Running game was better on Saturday but not where it needs to be and sometimes entirely too predictable. I liked the RB screen passes to Sims, hadn’t seen much of that yet.

Id love to see what this team could do with David Washington running it.