So, Charlotte beat Appy St tonight. Remember all those Sun Belt punks who were beatin' their chests early in the football season? Quiet, like in an open corn field in Iowa.

Hey Tiger1983...maybe it's not so bad as it is in your head after all [Kenpom rank]...

UAB 6-1 [36]
FAU 6-1 [67]
NTEX 5-2 [72]
Charlotte 7-2 [132]

clt says is embarrassed we didn’t beat the lowly sunbelt team by more points

(12-03-2022 12:22 AM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt says is embarrassed we didn’t beat the lowly sunbelt team by more points

For shame clt, for shame!

(12-03-2022 12:08 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  So, Charlotte beat Appy St tonight. Remember all those Sun Belt punks who were beatin' their chests early in the football season? Quiet, like in an open corn field in Iowa.

Hey Tiger1983...maybe it's not so bad as it is in your head after all [Kenpom rank]...

UAB 6-1 [36]
FAU 6-1 [67]
NTEX 5-2 [72]
Charlotte 7-2 [132]

Hoping Charlotte can keep it going. They sort of remind me of FAU last year where you could see something building.

Come on Rice and UTSA, we just need y'all in the top 200!

(12-03-2022 12:31 AM)Blazer4Life14 Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 12:08 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  So, Charlotte beat Appy St tonight. Remember all those Sun Belt punks who were beatin' their chests early in the football season? Quiet, like in an open corn field in Iowa.

Hey Tiger1983...maybe it's not so bad as it is in your head after all [Kenpom rank]...

UAB 6-1 [36]
FAU 6-1 [67]
NTEX 5-2 [72]
Charlotte 7-2 [132]

Hoping Charlotte can keep it going. They sort of remind me of FAU last year where you could see something building.

Come on Rice and UTSA, we just need y'all in the top 200!

The CUSA adds are just fine. Notice I didn't post the current AAC teams. That includes my alma mater. Memphis has a 28 Kenpom ranking. The American is in good hoops hands.

(12-03-2022 12:08 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  So, Charlotte beat Appy St tonight. Remember all those Sun Belt punks who were beatin' their chests early in the football season? Quiet, like in an open corn field in Iowa.

Hey Tiger1983...maybe it's not so bad as it is in your head after all [Kenpom rank]...

UAB 6-1 [36]
FAU 6-1 [67]
NTEX 5-2 [72]
Charlotte 7-2 [132]

Rice......248
UTSA....320

Present AAC average: 106
Future AAC average (CUSA6 less departed 3): 135
Legacy AAC plus UAB and VCU: 115

My points consistently expressed are: 1. There is a drop off adding the CUSA6, 2. We could have done better by adding different schools, and 3. improvement is required. The data you presented does not change the validity of my points.

Also, it is too early to draw conclusions for good or ill using metrics like KP.

There is no doubt the new version takes a hit in basketball from losing Houston. But UAB is a good team and so are some of the others.

(12-03-2022 09:14 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 12:08 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  So, Charlotte beat Appy St tonight. Remember all those Sun Belt punks who were beatin' their chests early in the football season? Quiet, like in an open corn field in Iowa.

Hey Tiger1983...maybe it's not so bad as it is in your head after all [Kenpom rank]...

UAB 6-1 [36]
FAU 6-1 [67]
NTEX 5-2 [72]
Charlotte 7-2 [132]

Rice......248
UTSA....320

Present AAC average: 106
Future AAC average (CUSA6 less departed 3): 135
Legacy AAC plus UAB and VCU: 115

My points consistently expressed are: 1. There is a drop off adding the CUSA6, 2. We could have done better by adding different schools, and 3. improvement is required. The data you presented does not change the validity of my points.

Also, it is too early to draw conclusions for good or ill using metrics like KP.

https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2...erence-USA

clt says aac is adding 4 top 70 teams

(12-03-2022 09:14 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 12:08 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  So, Charlotte beat Appy St tonight. Remember all those Sun Belt punks who were beatin' their chests early in the football season? Quiet, like in an open corn field in Iowa.

Hey Tiger1983...maybe it's not so bad as it is in your head after all [Kenpom rank]...

UAB 6-1 [36]
FAU 6-1 [67]
NTEX 5-2 [72]
Charlotte 7-2 [132]

Rice......248
UTSA....320

Also, it is too early to draw conclusions for good or ill using metrics like KP.

Tulane [86]
WSU [89]
Temple [98]
SMU [147]
Tulsa [168]
USF [184]
ECU [214]

Is it too early to conclude that the bottom of the AAC isn't any good this year? Look, I get that the AAC isn't going to be the same after the latest defections and you can throw in UConn for that matter. The point is, most of the new adds are pretty solid hoops programs - more than you're giving them credit for. I would think Memphis [and the remaining schools] would want as many competitive hoops programs as possible in the conference - programs that are actually joining and not wish list ones.

(12-03-2022 11:39 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 09:14 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 12:08 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  So, Charlotte beat Appy St tonight. Remember all those Sun Belt punks who were beatin' their chests early in the football season? Quiet, like in an open corn field in Iowa.

Hey Tiger1983...maybe it's not so bad as it is in your head after all [Kenpom rank]...

UAB 6-1 [36]
FAU 6-1 [67]
NTEX 5-2 [72]
Charlotte 7-2 [132]

Rice......248
UTSA....320

Also, it is too early to draw conclusions for good or ill using metrics like KP.

Tulane [86]
WSU [89]
Temple [98]
SMU [147]
Tulsa [168]
USF [184]
ECU [214]

Is it too early to conclude that the bottom of the AAC isn't any good this year? Look, I get that the AAC isn't going to be the same after the latest defections and you can throw in UConn for that matter. The point is, most of the new adds are pretty solid hoops programs - more than you're giving them credit for. I would think Memphis [and the remaining schools] would want as many competitive hoops programs as possible in the conference - programs that are actually joining and not wish list ones.

You left out the below addressing your third sentence.

“Present AAC average: 106
Future AAC average (CUSA6 less departed 3): 135
Legacy AAC plus UAB and VCU: 115

My points consistently expressed are: 1. There is a drop off adding the CUSA6, 2. We could have done better by adding different schools, and 3. improvement is required. The data you presented does not change the validity of my points. “

It is early to draw conclusions about rankings. For example, Memphis starts a gauntlet of tough games tonight. Success will tend to elevate KP rankings. Failure will almost certainly result in a plummeting rank.

Also, one successful year does not mean a sustainable program.

Of course I want strong CUSA6 programs, but wishful thinking does not make it so.

NET rankings from the other thread. Wow. The new adds are making for a good future hoops league. Facts. Truth. Objective. First Kenpom. Now NET. Wait, is it still too early for these things to count?

1 - Houston
23 - FAU
38 - Memphis
54 - UAB
68 - UNT
73 - Charlotte
95 - UCF
99 - WSU
151 - Cincy
155 - Temple
189 - Tulane
202 - ECU
229 - USF
224 - Tulsa
254 - Rice
​​​​​​​282 - SMU
305 - UTSA

(12-06-2022 11:27 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  NET rankings from the other thread. Wow. The new adds are making for a good future hoops league. Facts. Truth. Objective. First Kenpom. Now NET. Wait, is it still too early for these things to count?

1 - Houston
23 - FAU
38 - Memphis
54 - UAB
68 - UNT
73 - Charlotte
95 - UCF
99 - WSU
151 - Cincy
155 - Temple
189 - Tulane
202 - ECU
229 - USF
224 - Tulsa
254 - Rice
​​​​​​​282 - SMU
305 - UTSA

clt says this doesn’t matter! We aren’t in the aac yet.

(12-06-2022 11:51 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt says this doesn’t matter! We aren’t in the aac yet.

True but this thread is about the league next year. Thus, v2.0!

(12-06-2022 11:51 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  

(12-06-2022 11:27 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  NET rankings from the other thread. Wow. The new adds are making for a good future hoops league. Facts. Truth. Objective. First Kenpom. Now NET. Wait, is it still too early for these things to count?

1 - Houston
23 - FAU
38 - Memphis
54 - UAB
68 - UNT
73 - Charlotte
95 - UCF
99 - WSU
151 - Cincy
155 - Temple
189 - Tulane
202 - ECU
229 - USF
224 - Tulsa
254 - Rice
​​​​​​​282 - SMU
305 - UTSA

clt says this doesn’t matter! We aren’t in the aac yet.

If clt is dead, why should we care what he thinks, ghost? What do you think?

(12-07-2022 12:04 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(12-06-2022 11:51 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt says this doesn’t matter! We aren’t in the aac yet.

True but this thread is about the league next year. Thus, v2.0!

Nice uniform design! ...but the guy in the photo looks like he's toking on a reefer?

(12-07-2022 12:04 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(12-06-2022 11:51 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt says this doesn’t matter! We aren’t in the aac yet.

True but this thread is about the league next year. Thus, v2.0!

Actually, it is about results from this season for CUSA members. The results are not transferable to next season.

Fortunately for Cincy, AAC basketball for next season does not matter.

(12-06-2022 11:27 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  NET rankings from the other thread. Wow. The new adds are making for a good future hoops league. Facts. Truth. Objective. First Kenpom. Now NET. Wait, is it still too early for these things to count?

1 - Houston (1)
38 - Memphis (45)
95 - UCF (89)
99 - WSU (101)
151 - Cincy (154)
155 - Temple (158)
189 - Tulane (184)
202 - ECU (206)
229 - USF (234)
224 - Tulsa (230)
​​​​​​​282 - SMU (287)

Yes, it is too early. Note the swing in just two days.....

Memphis won last night by 16, but failed to pummel a bad team. It does not take much to surmise the impact had the Tigers lost.

NET should be ignored until February. Kenpom is far more consistent with what NET will be when it comes time to seed the tournament.

(12-07-2022 09:17 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  NET should be ignored until February. Kenpom is far more consistent with what NET will be when it comes time to seed the tournament.

Just a FWIW.....

2021-2022 Massey (before NCAA Tourney)
Cincy...........103
Houston..........8
UCF..............98
Memphis.......29
SMU.............45
ECU............166
Tulsa..........183
WSU............97
Tulane........106
USF............245
Temple.......107


2021-2022 NET (before NCAA Tourney)
Cincy.............99
Houston..........3
UCF.............101
Memphis.......33
SMU.............45
ECU............185
Tulsa...........181
WSU.............87
Tulane..........97
USF............245
Temple.......111


2021-2022 KP (Final - I could not find before Tourney)
Cincy...........101
Houston..........2
UCF.............104
Memphis.......24
SMU.............62
ECU............179
Tulsa...........171
WSU.............94
Tulane...........98
USF.............252
Temple........116

(09-14-2022 11:40 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  NCAA Tourney Appearances since 2000...

Georgia St - 5
Old Dominion - 5
Louisiana - 3
Troy - 2
South Alabama - 2
Coastal Caroina - 2
Little Rock Arky - 2
Appy St - 1
Marshall - 1
Southern Miss - 1
UT Arlington - 1
Arkansas St - 0
Georgia Southern - 0
Louisiana-Monroe - 0
Texas St - 0

Memphis - 11
Temple - 9
Wichita St - 9
UAB - 6
Charlotte - 4
Tulsa - 4
North Texas - 3
SMU - 2
UTSA - 2
FAU - 1
USF - 1
ECU - 0
Rice - 0
Tulane - 0

"new" C-USA for comparisons sake (2000-01 to current):

NMSU - 10
WKU - 7
Liberty - 4
MTSU - 3
UTEP - 3
Jacksonville State - 2
Sam Houston State - 2
FIU - 0
LaTech - 0
Kennesaw State - 0

If I find time later in the day I will try to edit to add other metrics as well.