(09-15-2022 10:12 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-15-2022 08:55 AM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  

(09-14-2022 11:58 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(09-14-2022 06:30 PM)Poster Wrote:  

(09-14-2022 05:16 PM)Eichorst Wrote:  Assuming that independence is not an option, Notre Dame may prefer the ACC as an F U to the B1G. It's not a foregone conclusion that everyone will want to be in the B1G or SEC.

And if Notre Dame could get Stanford/Cal/Washington/Oregon to tag along? That'd be super fun.

All hell will probably break loose in the ACC in 2036. Notre Dame will probably be forced to give up independence that year one way or another. They'd either have to join the ACC as a full member in order to save the ACC from implosion, or join the Big 10 as a full member.

And if the Big 10 is still outearning the ACC in 2036 by the same margin it is today, I will be very surprised if Notre Dame picks the ACC.

I can think of a bunch of other things ND could do. They already have USC every year, add 2 more B1G and 3 SEC teams to their schedule every year and go full independent. Play 5 SEC or 5 B1G games per year. Scheduling agreement with the Pac, big12, or both. Or 1 game with each A5 conference. They can easily put their olympic sports in the big east.

The one thing they WON'T do is join a conference unless they truly have to.

Which is why one should expect the BIG to work with ESPN at some point. Without a network that wants them independent, it’s much harder for ND to have a choice

The path is there for ESPN if BIG presidents were ready to expand to 24. ESPN moves 2-3 more PAC to BIG to secure optimal late night plus 4-5 ACC to BIG, getting a spot in BIG weekly lotto when T1 involves ACC. Now ESPN benefits from ND joining BIG- Disney retains 5 ND games, NBC theirs.

In exchange, Fox helps picks up tab on ACC leftovers in whatever 3rd conference forms

Hard to see how the Big 10 generates enough revenue. The big value games are the exclusive time slots OTA. They have all 3 good slots filled. That's why none of these 24 team conference ideas make sense. Even if you had enough high value teams, you don't have enough high value time slots. It can make sense for a different conference to expand because they aren't guaranteeing exclusive conference content to Fox at noon, CBS at 4 and NBC at 8.

Adds the late time slot with much better inventory than ever before (if Baylor BYU can hit 2.4 million, better BIG/PAC matchups even more). Adds better T1 combos, and on down the board. Adds ND. Adds some to BTN. Gets to the important national P2 setup, further nationalizing the sport so that someone in NC now has reasons to watch out of area games.

(09-14-2022 02:17 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  TCU and WVU would not come to the ACC by themselves because they would not be offered by themselves.

I feel confident that the ACC is taking a deliberate yet aggressive approach to this round of expansion wars. Because of that I think we'll see them expand by 2-6 schools within the next year or two and that those schools will come from the B12.

Houston, TX Tech, Baylor and Houston for the Texas market and a combo of KU and OK State or Cinci and WVU. I think they'll go to 20 and if not, they will go after Cinci and WVU.

Notre Dame will keep their Olympic sports in the ACC and will continue that partnership with the ACC in football.

Yup. I am with you. The Pac 12 hasn’t signed a new contract so there still remains a possibility. Amogn the B12 schools, I am sure ESPN would like Cincy and Texas school (TCU/Houston/Baylor/SMU) the most. They are located in large states and have high ceilings.

(09-14-2022 06:30 PM)Poster Wrote:  

(09-14-2022 05:16 PM)Eichorst Wrote:  

(09-14-2022 12:25 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  As far as Notre Dame goes, they have made their desires perfectly clear: they wish to remain independent indefinitely.

Assuming that independence is not an option, Notre Dame may prefer the ACC as an F U to the B1G. It's not a foregone conclusion that everyone will want to be in the B1G or SEC.

And if Notre Dame could get Stanford/Cal/Washington/Oregon to tag along? That'd be super fun.

All hell will probably break loose in the ACC in 2036. Notre Dame will probably be forced to give up independence that year one way or another. They'd either have to join the ACC as a full member in order to save the ACC from implosion, or join the Big 10 as a full member.

And if the Big 10 is still outearning the ACC in 2036 by the same margin it is today, I will be very surprised if Notre Dame picks the ACC.

ND may well surprise people then, too. Stay independent and join the Big East or the Big 12 as a partial member or stay a partial member of a rump, backloaded ACC.

(09-15-2022 08:55 AM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  

(09-14-2022 11:58 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(09-14-2022 06:30 PM)Poster Wrote:  

(09-14-2022 05:16 PM)Eichorst Wrote:  

(09-14-2022 12:25 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  As far as Notre Dame goes, they have made their desires perfectly clear: they wish to remain independent indefinitely.

Assuming that independence is not an option, Notre Dame may prefer the ACC as an F U to the B1G. It's not a foregone conclusion that everyone will want to be in the B1G or SEC.

And if Notre Dame could get Stanford/Cal/Washington/Oregon to tag along? That'd be super fun.

All hell will probably break loose in the ACC in 2036. Notre Dame will probably be forced to give up independence that year one way or another. They'd either have to join the ACC as a full member in order to save the ACC from implosion, or join the Big 10 as a full member.

And if the Big 10 is still outearning the ACC in 2036 by the same margin it is today, I will be very surprised if Notre Dame picks the ACC.

I can think of a bunch of other things ND could do. They already have USC every year, add 2 more B1G and 3 SEC teams to their schedule every year and go full independent. Play 5 SEC or 5 B1G games per year. Scheduling agreement with the Pac, big12, or both. Or 1 game with each A5 conference. They can easily put their olympic sports in the big east.

The one thing they WON'T do is join a conference unless they truly have to.

Which is why one should expect the BIG to work with ESPN at some point. Without a network that wants them independent, it’s much harder for ND to have a choice.

The path is there for ESPN if BIG presidents were ready to expand to 24. ESPN moves 2-3 more PAC to BIG to secure optimal late night plus 4-5 ACC to BIG, getting a spot in BIG weekly lotto when T1 involves ACC. Now ESPN benefits from ND joining BIG- Disney retains 5 ND games, NBC theirs.

In exchange, Fox helps picks up tab on ACC leftovers in whatever 3rd conference forms

In what world would NBC, Fox and ESPN work together to shut out an independent ND? Why wouldn't NBC want to keep 7 ND home games?

IF they collude like that, call CBS or Amazon or sell subscription rights to Fighting Irish TV to ND fans.

Do you think that ND will remain passive about the Big Ten trying to force ND to join it against its will? Do you think that it has no option but the Big Ten in that scenario?

Why not give a finger to the Big Ten and threaten to join the SEC? That would be an ND type move to foil the Big Ten. Divide and conquer is the ND way when dealing with aggressive conferences.

Here is an easier deal. ND signs an independent deal then with NBC or ESPN. Divide them by promising a stand along deal with only one of them.

ND stays a partial member of a rump ACC and stays a football independent.

NBC or ESPN get all of ND's home games. The rest ? Depends on whom ND is playing.

(09-17-2022 11:30 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(09-15-2022 08:55 AM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  

(09-14-2022 11:58 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(09-14-2022 06:30 PM)Poster Wrote:  

(09-14-2022 05:16 PM)Eichorst Wrote:  Assuming that independence is not an option, Notre Dame may prefer the ACC as an F U to the B1G. It's not a foregone conclusion that everyone will want to be in the B1G or SEC.

And if Notre Dame could get Stanford/Cal/Washington/Oregon to tag along? That'd be super fun.

All hell will probably break loose in the ACC in 2036. Notre Dame will probably be forced to give up independence that year one way or another. They'd either have to join the ACC as a full member in order to save the ACC from implosion, or join the Big 10 as a full member.

And if the Big 10 is still outearning the ACC in 2036 by the same margin it is today, I will be very surprised if Notre Dame picks the ACC.

I can think of a bunch of other things ND could do. They already have USC every year, add 2 more B1G and 3 SEC teams to their schedule every year and go full independent. Play 5 SEC or 5 B1G games per year. Scheduling agreement with the Pac, big12, or both. Or 1 game with each A5 conference. They can easily put their olympic sports in the big east.

The one thing they WON'T do is join a conference unless they truly have to.

Which is why one should expect the BIG to work with ESPN at some point. Without a network that wants them independent, it’s much harder for ND to have a choice.

The path is there for ESPN if BIG presidents were ready to expand to 24. ESPN moves 2-3 more PAC to BIG to secure optimal late night plus 4-5 ACC to BIG, getting a spot in BIG weekly lotto when T1 involves ACC. Now ESPN benefits from ND joining BIG- Disney retains 5 ND games, NBC theirs.

In exchange, Fox helps picks up tab on ACC leftovers in whatever 3rd conference forms

In what world would NBC, Fox and ESPN work together to shut out an independent ND? Why wouldn't NBC want to keep 7 ND home games?

IF they collude like that, call CBS or Amazon or sell subscription rights to Fighting Irish TV to ND fans.

Do you think that ND will remain passive about the Big Ten trying to force ND to join it against its will? Do you think that it has no option but the Big Ten in that scenario?

Why not give a finger to the Big Ten and threaten to join the SEC? That would be an ND type move to foil the Big Ten. Divide and conquer is the ND way when dealing with aggressive conferences.

Here is an easier deal. ND signs an independent deal then with NBC or ESPN. Divide them by promising a stand along deal with only one of them.

ND stays a partial member of a rump ACC and stays a football independent.

NBC or ESPN get all of ND's home games. The rest ? Depends on whom ND is playing.

ND would likely keep their non-football sports in the ACC or bigeast, but they'll change the contract language post-2036 so that there's no limitation on what they do with the football team. Also, they'll stop playing 5 ACC games a year and replace those with games from the P2/pac/big12.