We were also fortunate on the inside kick, as that is a low percentage play

(09-10-2022 10:44 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(09-10-2022 10:37 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  

(09-10-2022 10:27 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  

(09-10-2022 10:16 PM)NILAW Wrote:  

(09-10-2022 10:07 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  Vanderbilt has looked bad. I think we still can win that game but we can't let Rocky play another 1st half with one hand tied behind his back.

I'd love to hear the logic of that. I can somewhat understand it against EIU, but not against Tulsa.

We threw the ball 10 times on 6 drives in the 1st half. Almost all of those making Rocky stand like a statue in the pocket.

We threw the ball 21 times in 2nd half and had him move out the pocket and were way more successful.

Agree. I think they do the 15 plays scripted to see the defense. Or in NIUs case, usually a 1/2 or so like today.

I can’t argue as it has worked , won games with honestly lesser talent. As well as “one play to win the game.” Today they lost the game on that play when most think they didn’t need to. Just the was Hammock is.

It has worked against MAC teams and a bad GT team. That's it. Hammock thinks we don't need to have a balanced offense. We do.

I think he is doing what he thinks is best chance to win with lesser talent many times and a leaky defense. He wants to win the game on offense and not lose on defense. That means ball control and no turnovers. Zero turnovers, up 4 with 2 minutes left is considered where you want to be, with the other team with the ball needing 80+ yards with zero timeouts.

(09-10-2022 11:15 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  We were also fortunate on the inside kick, as that is a low percentage play

It’s very low percentage when there’s :30 seconds left and you’re down by 6. But if you scout their KO coverage well and see they have a tendency to turn their backs that percentage goes way up

(09-10-2022 11:00 PM)DiehardHuskie Wrote:  Say hello to a 1-3 start, boys.

Yep. And that 1 win was a nail-biter against an FCS team.

(09-10-2022 10:20 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(09-10-2022 10:11 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  

(09-10-2022 10:08 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  

(09-10-2022 10:07 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  Vanderbilt has looked bad. I think we still can win that game but we can't let Rocky play another 1st half with one hand tied behind his back.

Vanderbilt looked bad? Didn’t we say that about Tulsa?

They beat a bad Hawaii team and gave up 31 to the fighting Elon Musks. Wake Forest was up 45-18 before Vandy scored a garbage TD.

I gotta be optimistic here...

We beat Vandy. Hammock learned an important lesson tonight. His O-line isn’t the old Redskin Hogs. They’re good but not special. He needs to be more balanced. Rocky is a weapon he stymied with that run areogance

It took 6 quarters for him to learn a lesson? I’ll bet we go back to the conservative, vanilla offense next week.

That will show how shiitty our coaches are…

(09-11-2022 10:27 AM)badmoonrising13 Wrote:  That will show how shiitty our coaches are…

I keep getting this feeling that Hammock views the OOC as exhibition games for MAC play. He tries offenses and players to see what works best with the goal of getting everything set up by the first MAC game.

This game was lost in a span of 1:47. In that 107 seconds NIU gave up 127 yards and 14 points. Those were the two Tulsa drives that occurred at the end of each half inside of 2:00 with NIU likely in some prevent defense. Those drives accounted for almost 40% of Tulsas points and 30% their total offense

I'm still pi$$ed about losing to Tulsa because there were so many ways we could and should have won that game. As much as I like Ham as a coach he needs to rethink/reevaluate things. I said last night that Ham needed to kick the players and coaches in the butt - starting with himself. I stand by that. First and foremost don't put Rocky on a leash (unless we are leading by a lot in a game and then take him out) and stop trying to run up the middle with 9 in the box. That is not good coaching; it is just stubborn and stupid.

(09-11-2022 11:33 AM)NILAW Wrote:  I'm still pi$$ed about losing to Tulsa because there were so many ways we could and should have won that game. As much as I like Ham as a coach he needs to rethink/reevaluate things. I said last night that Ham needed to kick the players and coaches in the butt - starting with himself. I stand by that. First and foremost don't put Rocky on a leash (unless we are leading by a lot in a game and then take him out) and stop trying to run up the middle with 9 in the box. That is not good coaching; it is just stubborn and stupid.

Absolutely. Those runs against a stacked box drive me crazy. Not just the runs, but the runs up the middle. Our OL is not good enough to open holes and push the D back when the box is stacked. If Rocky is not comfortable with a long pass, then a higher percentage short pass to his big TE may work.

(09-11-2022 01:07 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  

(09-11-2022 11:33 AM)NILAW Wrote:  I'm still pi$$ed about losing to Tulsa because there were so many ways we could and should have won that game. As much as I like Ham as a coach he needs to rethink/reevaluate things. I said last night that Ham needed to kick the players and coaches in the butt - starting with himself. I stand by that. First and foremost don't put Rocky on a leash (unless we are leading by a lot in a game and then take him out) and stop trying to run up the middle with 9 in the box. That is not good coaching; it is just stubborn and stupid.

Absolutely. Those runs against a stacked box drive me crazy. Not just the runs, but the runs up the middle. Our OL is not good enough to open holes and push the D back when the box is stacked. If Rocky is not comfortable with a long pass, then a higher percentage short pass to his big TE may work.

And suddenly we have the greatest college receiving TE since Jeremy Shocky. His name is Liam Soraghan.

(09-10-2022 10:17 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(09-10-2022 10:08 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  

(09-10-2022 10:07 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  Vanderbilt has looked bad. I think we still can win that game but we can't let Rocky play another 1st half with one hand tied behind his back.

Vanderbilt looked bad? Didn’t we say that about Tulsa?

Tulsa is pretty bad. They gave up 28 second half points. They’re giving up almost 38 a game. NIU was a mess the first half because Hammock wants to be a tough guy and run the ball no matter what. When he adjusted NIU was better than Tulsa.

I get that vibe too. In football these days to have a great team you need to sling it. The offense NIU is trying to run so far does not bode well to get close to the high expectations for this team. Need to play like they did in the second half (without the penalties) and we have a good shot against Vandy.

Really would like to see the offense get waylee lined up as a WR a couple times a game. Short pass and let him get in some open space.

Post Game Presser

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOUeBDAO72Y

Looking forward to the Vandy game in person after watching a cross country meet in Warrenville in the morning and a Huskie win. Looks like good weather. I missed the game yesterday outside of a few google updates. I told my wife the Huskies will come back in the second half and maybe win the game. Was just a hunch. I have the same gut feeling for next week. When all the odds are against the Huskies they pull it out. The Hard Way!

Really waiting for the team to take the next step forward and beating teams like Tulsa and Vandy is the next step. Winning the MAC is cool but doesn’t do much for National attention. Need to beat them this week and keep it respectable against Kentucky and start making pounding the teams in the MAC

(09-11-2022 08:00 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  

(09-11-2022 10:27 AM)badmoonrising13 Wrote:  That will show how shiitty our coaches are…

How did they win the MAC ly with ****** coaches?

This thought that NIU has superior players has to stop. Most of the Lombardi is some generational star. He was an avg, maybe even subpar B10 qb who went down a class where he is very good at this level.He isn’t Lynch or Harnish. he can’t do it all every game , namely with this set of receivers. We saw that in the last 3 minutes when the game was put in their hands. Your 1b wr is a transfer, your 1a has always been used as a possession. Richie is gone and Rudolph is out. They are not putting the game in Rocky’s hands each game from the start, sorry.

And I think Rocky would be the 1st to agree, tell you the coaches get the most of him with the way he is used. They adjusted, should have won but in the end lost to the offense that had a bigger advantage vs. the opposing defense.

Are you saying you were happy with the 69 yards of offense in the first half because you think Rocky is an average QB??? I think he is clearly the best player on the team from what I’ve seen the last two seasons.

(09-11-2022 08:51 PM)badmoonrising13 Wrote:  

(09-11-2022 08:00 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  

(09-11-2022 10:27 AM)badmoonrising13 Wrote:  That will show how shiitty our coaches are…

How did they win the MAC ly with ****** coaches?

This thought that NIU has superior players has to stop. Most of the Lombardi is some generational star. He was an avg, maybe even subpar B10 qb who went down a class where he is very good at this level.He isn’t Lynch or Harnish. he can’t do it all every game , namely with this set of receivers. We saw that in the last 3 minutes when the game was put in their hands. Your 1b wr is a transfer, your 1a has always been used as a possession. Richie is gone and Rudolph is out. They are not putting the game in Rocky’s hands each game from the start, sorry.

And I think Rocky would be the 1st to agree, tell you the coaches get the most of him with the way he is used. They adjusted, should have won but in the end lost to the offense that had a bigger advantage vs. the opposing defense.

Are you saying you were happy with the 69 yards of offense in the first half because you think Rocky is an average QB??? I think he is clearly the best player on the team from what I’ve seen the last two seasons.

Don't spin it to whether I am happy vs. calling out coaches ability, namely on offense.

Saying Rocky is the best player is like being the tallest midget.

NIU averaged 187 yards passing a game last year. And 500 of Rocky's 2500 came in one game. 15 td 8 int. And this was with Rudolph and Richie, who have not been replaced.

They ran for 240 a game.

But hey, let's have Rocky throw the ball all over the place, turn it over. Then the other 1/2 of the board can come on and say "why abandon the run!" They were in a place to win the game. And yes, they didn't. And the pass to me did it in after they played to have them burn to, pin them. That deserves debate. I don't deny that. And yes, Rocky needed to get out of the pocket, adjustments made like so many games last season. I mean did I miss last season?

But hey, our coaches are shi%, thick headed and whatever else. The crap that came on this board the last 24 hours, a lot of it from usually level headed people, is ridiculous. But then again, many thought this game as 6.5 dogs was going to be a no doubt win over some middle of the road AAC team.

Honestly, I think people being wrong, seeing the loss as a reflection on them is the real reason.

If you are a ND, Nebraska or even UW alum today I would get it. But to sit hear and say the things people are about a guy that turned a programs mindset around, one who people praised weeks ago is perplexing. It's 2 games.

(09-11-2022 11:35 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  

(09-11-2022 08:51 PM)badmoonrising13 Wrote:  

(09-11-2022 08:00 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  

(09-11-2022 10:27 AM)badmoonrising13 Wrote:  That will show how shiitty our coaches are…

How did they win the MAC ly with ****** coaches?

This thought that NIU has superior players has to stop. Most of the Lombardi is some generational star. He was an avg, maybe even subpar B10 qb who went down a class where he is very good at this level.He isn’t Lynch or Harnish. he can’t do it all every game , namely with this set of receivers. We saw that in the last 3 minutes when the game was put in their hands. Your 1b wr is a transfer, your 1a has always been used as a possession. Richie is gone and Rudolph is out. They are not putting the game in Rocky’s hands each game from the start, sorry.

And I think Rocky would be the 1st to agree, tell you the coaches get the most of him with the way he is used. They adjusted, should have won but in the end lost to the offense that had a bigger advantage vs. the opposing defense.

Are you saying you were happy with the 69 yards of offense in the first half because you think Rocky is an average QB??? I think he is clearly the best player on the team from what I’ve seen the last two seasons.

Don't spin it to whether I am happy vs. calling out coaches ability, namely on offense.

Saying Rocky is the best player is like being the tallest midget.

NIU averaged 187 yards passing a game last year. And 500 of Rocky's 2500 came in one game. 15 td 8 int. And this was with Rudolph and Richie, who have not been replaced.

They ran for 240 a game.

But hey, let's have Rocky throw the ball all over the place, turn it over. Then the other 1/2 of the board can come on and say "why abandon the run!" They were in a place to win the game. And yes, they didn't. And the pass to me did it in after they played to have them burn to, pin them. That deserves debate. I don't deny that. And yes, Rocky needed to get out of the pocket, adjustments made like so many games last season. I mean did I miss last season?

But hey, our coaches are shi%, thick headed and whatever else. The crap that came on this board the last 24 hours, a lot of it from usually level headed people, is ridiculous. But then again, many thought this game as 6.5 dogs was going to be a no doubt win over some middle of the road AAC team.

Honestly, I think people being wrong, seeing the loss as a reflection on them is the real reason.

If you are a ND, Nebraska or even UW alum today I would get it. But to sit hear and say the things people are about a guy that turned a programs mindset around, one who people praised weeks ago is perplexing. It's 2 games.

Thank you!

(09-11-2022 11:35 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  

(09-11-2022 08:51 PM)badmoonrising13 Wrote:  

(09-11-2022 08:00 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  

(09-11-2022 10:27 AM)badmoonrising13 Wrote:  That will show how shiitty our coaches are…

How did they win the MAC ly with ****** coaches?

This thought that NIU has superior players has to stop. Most of the Lombardi is some generational star. He was an avg, maybe even subpar B10 qb who went down a class where he is very good at this level.He isn’t Lynch or Harnish. he can’t do it all every game , namely with this set of receivers. We saw that in the last 3 minutes when the game was put in their hands. Your 1b wr is a transfer, your 1a has always been used as a possession. Richie is gone and Rudolph is out. They are not putting the game in Rocky’s hands each game from the start, sorry.

And I think Rocky would be the 1st to agree, tell you the coaches get the most of him with the way he is used. They adjusted, should have won but in the end lost to the offense that had a bigger advantage vs. the opposing defense.

Are you saying you were happy with the 69 yards of offense in the first half because you think Rocky is an average QB??? I think he is clearly the best player on the team from what I’ve seen the last two seasons.

Don't spin it to whether I am happy vs. calling out coaches ability, namely on offense.

Saying Rocky is the best player is like being the tallest midget.

NIU averaged 187 yards passing a game last year. And 500 of Rocky's 2500 came in one game. 15 td 8 int. And this was with Rudolph and Richie, who have not been replaced.

They ran for 240 a game.

But hey, let's have Rocky throw the ball all over the place, turn it over. Then the other 1/2 of the board can come on and say "why abandon the run!" They were in a place to win the game. And yes, they didn't. And the pass to me did it in after they played to have them burn to, pin them. That deserves debate. I don't deny that. And yes, Rocky needed to get out of the pocket, adjustments made like so many games last season. I mean did I miss last season?

But hey, our coaches are shi%, thick headed and whatever else. The crap that came on this board the last 24 hours, a lot of it from usually level headed people, is ridiculous. But then again, many thought this game as 6.5 dogs was going to be a no doubt win over some middle of the road AAC team.

Honestly, I think people being wrong, seeing the loss as a reflection on them is the real reason.

If you are a ND, Nebraska or even UW alum today I would get it. But to sit hear and say the things people are about a guy that turned a programs mindset around, one who people praised weeks ago is perplexing. It's 2 games.

GREAT INSIGHT. Love your logic.

We beat ourselves and nobody has taken accountability for that loss, but somehow we’ll be ready for Vandy?