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RE: The elephant in the room when it comes to a P2 take over
(09-06-2022 04:38 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  
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(09-06-2022 04:01 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  The idea that you need a school in a big city to own market share in that city just is not true.

There are more App State fans in Charlotte than there are Charlotte fans. And there are more Ohio State fans in Charlotte than in-state App State fans.

Somehow, I doubt that. I mean, I know Ohio State is popular but they shouldn't penetrate markets like that so much that they overshadow local teams, even FBS startups.

Honestly, I came across some study last week that listed the top five most popular CFB teams in every major U.S. metro, and Ohio State was top five in almost every city, including the west coast. But I can't find the danged link. Can't say much more about that.

I did find this from 2014, which of course was eight years ago. It listed Ohio State number three in Mecklenburg County, NC, i.e. Charlotte.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/footballsco...s-zip-code

That doesn't really shock me. Ohio transplants are basically like locusts. What happened to Ohio?
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(09-07-2022 09:58 PM)CintiFan Wrote:  
(09-07-2022 09:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  About the bolded, I bet there are more Bucks fans in the Cincy area than Cincy fans.

Not when I lived there.

Cincinnati is a very "local" town where neighborhoods are important. It also has a large Catholic population, so the "brands" that sell are UC and Notre Dame.

Ohio State is popular because of its success, but I can tell you it's third in line.

The people who have never lived in SW Ohio always say that OSU owns the Cincinnati market. It has never owned it, and most of the state acts like Cincinnati is part of Kentucky as it is. No local polls have ever shown OSU with a larger local fan base than UC.
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I'm always puzzled when I seen someone suggest that fans in Boston will tune out college football if they don't have a team in the P2. It's been quite a while since I've lived there, but in nearly 70 years of following football I was never aware that locals ever tuned in. You could lose 100% of the fans that now tune in and nobody would notice because their numbers are so small to begin with.

If there is a region or market that really matters, you can bet the P2 will have a team that taps it.
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RE: The elephant in the room when it comes to a P2 take over
(09-08-2022 12:59 PM)mlb Wrote:  
(09-07-2022 09:58 PM)CintiFan Wrote:  
(09-07-2022 09:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  About the bolded, I bet there are more Bucks fans in the Cincy area than Cincy fans.

Not when I lived there.

Cincinnati is a very "local" town where neighborhoods are important. It also has a large Catholic population, so the "brands" that sell are UC and Notre Dame.

Ohio State is popular because of its success, but I can tell you it's third in line.

The people who have never lived in SW Ohio always say that OSU owns the Cincinnati market. It has never owned it, and most of the state acts like Cincinnati is part of Kentucky as it is. No local polls have ever shown OSU with a larger local fan base than UC.

Same with Louisville, there are more Louisville first fan here and across the river in Indiana then Kentucky and Indiana fans you can blame Schnellenberger, Crum, Pitino for those successful years as well as Cardinal stadium and the YUM Center being state of the art facilities and the old Freedom Hall glory days
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(09-09-2022 06:47 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  
(09-08-2022 12:59 PM)mlb Wrote:  
(09-07-2022 09:58 PM)CintiFan Wrote:  
(09-07-2022 09:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  About the bolded, I bet there are more Bucks fans in the Cincy area than Cincy fans.

Not when I lived there.

Cincinnati is a very "local" town where neighborhoods are important. It also has a large Catholic population, so the "brands" that sell are UC and Notre Dame.

Ohio State is popular because of its success, but I can tell you it's third in line.

The people who have never lived in SW Ohio always say that OSU owns the Cincinnati market. It has never owned it, and most of the state acts like Cincinnati is part of Kentucky as it is. No local polls have ever shown OSU with a larger local fan base than UC.

Same with Louisville, there are more Louisville first fan here and across the river in Indiana then Kentucky and Indiana fans you can blame Schnellenberger, Crum, Pitino for those successful years as well as Cardinal stadium and the YUM Center being state of the art facilities and the old Freedom Hall glory days

About Louisville with regards to football, this makes sense to me. While UofL doesn't have much of a legacy, neither does UK, so no reason to think UK dominates UofL in football interest in the city. Attendance for the two programs is very similar so it stands to reason that Louisville dominates its city in football interest (and hoops interest too, but that's another issue).

But IMO this is very different than the Cincy and Ohio State situation. Ohio State is a dominant blue-blood football program while Cincy isn't.

If Ohio State was drawing 52k fans a game and Cincy was drawing 50k fans a game, which is basically the ratio of football attendance for UK and UofL, then it would make sense to me that Cincy dominates interest in their city. But the actual numbers are more like 100k vs 35k, which leads me to believe that interest in Ohio State football is greater in the Cincy area than interest in Cincy is.

Just MO.
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(09-08-2022 12:51 PM)b2b Wrote:  
(09-06-2022 04:38 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  
(09-06-2022 04:13 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(09-06-2022 04:01 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  The idea that you need a school in a big city to own market share in that city just is not true.

There are more App State fans in Charlotte than there are Charlotte fans. And there are more Ohio State fans in Charlotte than in-state App State fans.

Somehow, I doubt that. I mean, I know Ohio State is popular but they shouldn't penetrate markets like that so much that they overshadow local teams, even FBS startups.

Honestly, I came across some study last week that listed the top five most popular CFB teams in every major U.S. metro, and Ohio State was top five in almost every city, including the west coast. But I can't find the danged link. Can't say much more about that.

I did find this from 2014, which of course was eight years ago. It listed Ohio State number three in Mecklenburg County, NC, i.e. Charlotte.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/footballsco...s-zip-code

That doesn't really shock me. Ohio transplants are basically like locusts. What happened to Ohio?

Those transplants are mostly from Northwestern Ohio. AKA a land formerly dominated by unions and the mafia, AKA the heart of the Rust Belt (which runs from Providence to Fort Wayne, but is centered on Cleveland). People have been fleeing unions, mafia, and shut-down factories for decades.

Cincinnati and Columbus never had any of those 3 problems, and they're doing just fine.
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RE: The elephant in the room when it comes to a P2 take over
(09-09-2022 09:02 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(09-08-2022 12:51 PM)b2b Wrote:  
(09-06-2022 04:38 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  
(09-06-2022 04:13 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(09-06-2022 04:01 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  The idea that you need a school in a big city to own market share in that city just is not true.

There are more App State fans in Charlotte than there are Charlotte fans. And there are more Ohio State fans in Charlotte than in-state App State fans.

Somehow, I doubt that. I mean, I know Ohio State is popular but they shouldn't penetrate markets like that so much that they overshadow local teams, even FBS startups.

Honestly, I came across some study last week that listed the top five most popular CFB teams in every major U.S. metro, and Ohio State was top five in almost every city, including the west coast. But I can't find the danged link. Can't say much more about that.

I did find this from 2014, which of course was eight years ago. It listed Ohio State number three in Mecklenburg County, NC, i.e. Charlotte.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/footballsco...s-zip-code

That doesn't really shock me. Ohio transplants are basically like locusts. What happened to Ohio?

Those transplants are mostly from Northwestern Ohio. AKA a land formerly dominated by unions and the mafia, AKA the heart of the Rust Belt (which runs from Providence to Fort Wayne, but is centered on Cleveland). People have been fleeing unions, mafia, and shut-down factories for decades.

Cincinnati and Columbus never had any of those 3 problems, and they're doing just fine.

Yikes. Then wouldn't there be more Michigan fans? Gotta be northeastern Ohio too.

That said, I do see Michigan crap everywhere down here. Hey, nice Great Lakes decal, I heard it's great this time of year and also get the hell out of the passing lane.

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(09-09-2022 07:25 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-09-2022 06:47 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  
(09-08-2022 12:59 PM)mlb Wrote:  
(09-07-2022 09:58 PM)CintiFan Wrote:  
(09-07-2022 09:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  About the bolded, I bet there are more Bucks fans in the Cincy area than Cincy fans.

Not when I lived there.

Cincinnati is a very "local" town where neighborhoods are important. It also has a large Catholic population, so the "brands" that sell are UC and Notre Dame.

Ohio State is popular because of its success, but I can tell you it's third in line.

The people who have never lived in SW Ohio always say that OSU owns the Cincinnati market. It has never owned it, and most of the state acts like Cincinnati is part of Kentucky as it is. No local polls have ever shown OSU with a larger local fan base than UC.

Same with Louisville, there are more Louisville first fan here and across the river in Indiana then Kentucky and Indiana fans you can blame Schnellenberger, Crum, Pitino for those successful years as well as Cardinal stadium and the YUM Center being state of the art facilities and the old Freedom Hall glory days

About Louisville with regards to football, this makes sense to me. While UofL doesn't have much of a legacy, neither does UK, so no reason to think UK dominates UofL in football interest in the city. Attendance for the two programs is very similar so it stands to reason that Louisville dominates its city in football interest (and hoops interest too, but that's another issue).

But IMO this is very different than the Cincy and Ohio State situation. Ohio State is a dominant blue-blood football program while Cincy isn't.

If Ohio State was drawing 52k fans a game and Cincy was drawing 50k fans a game, which is basically the ratio of football attendance for UK and UofL, then it would make sense to me that Cincy dominates interest in their city. But the actual numbers are more like 100k vs 35k, which leads me to believe that interest in Ohio State football is greater in the Cincy area than interest in Cincy is.

Just MO.

This is a Southern mindset which doesn't translate perfectly to the North.

Basketball was historically the dominant sport in most of the cities of the North (other than NW Ohio and maybe a few other cities). And basketball totally dominated the rural areas of Indiana & Kentucky (which are adjacent to Cincinnati).

Example: my co-ed high school had 200 students per grade, and over 70 boys tried out for my freshman basketball team. Yet we barely had enough volunteers to field a freshman football team.

And in basketball, before 2006 Cincinnati has historically been a superior program to Ohio State by literally any measurement you can imagine.
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(09-07-2022 05:45 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(09-07-2022 03:22 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  
(09-06-2022 04:08 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(09-06-2022 04:01 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  The idea that you need a school in a big city to own market share in that city just is not true.

There are more App State fans in Charlotte than there are Charlotte fans. And there are more Ohio State fans in Charlotte than in-state App State fans.

This is all true.

But nothing beats a hometown team.

The Packers are popular, but they're the exception because they're consistent winners. But if the whole league is like the Packers, it's essentially a minor league with minor league-level interest. There's a darn good reason that every other small-town NFL franchise moved to a big city.
The Packers are located in a small city but they are Wisconsin's team. Fans drive from all over the state to attend Packer games and every bar in Wisconsin (at least 1 on every corner in the state) is showing the pre-game, game and post-game.

Yeah - the Packers being a “small market” team is a misnomer because they’re really a giant state flagship brand where they dominate the entire state and every market within it. As someone that once lived a few miles from the Wisconsin state border, you can instantly feel the oppressive universal nature of Packer fandom as soon as you enter the state in even the parts that are actually in the Chicago area as opposed to the Milwaukee area. (Bleh!)

Would the Packers dominate the whole state if they had as many Super Bowl rings as the Vikings?

Would the Packers dominate the whole state if their franchise's best QB was Bernie Kosar instead of Farve, Starr, and Rodgers?

A winning team can expand its fanbase beyond its city. But you can't have a whole league like that because for every team like the Packers or the Crimson Tide, there's a team like the Lions or the Commodores who routinely gets stomped.
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(09-09-2022 07:25 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  If Ohio State was drawing 52k fans a game and Cincy was drawing 50k fans a game, which is basically the ratio of football attendance for UK and UofL, then it would make sense to me that Cincy dominates interest in their city. But the actual numbers are more like 100k vs 35k, which leads me to believe that interest in Ohio State football is greater in the Cincy area than interest in Cincy is.

Just MO.

Your opinion, again, is absolutely incorrect. Are there some OSU fans in greater Cincinnati? Of course. Are they the largest fan base? No chance. And there are probably a lot of fans of both programs, but UC comes first and foremost among most of those fans.
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College football is more about states than about individual TV markets. A huge percentage of P5 schools are either state flagships or land grant universities, all of which have broad statewide followings within their states. 26 of 28 current SEC and B1G are in this category. Texas and Oklahoma are in this category. USC and UCLA are not, but have followings that are equivalent in level to a state flagship in an area of a state (southern California) that has a larger population than most states. Also, arguably, UCLA is the state flagship for this region.

With the additions of Texas, Oklahoma, USC and UCLA, the B1G and SEC have schools in 8 of the 11 largest states, with New York, North Carolina and Virginia being those without members. Rutgers does provide a presence in the NYC area, where a larger percentage of the New York State population resides, despite Rutgers' location in New Jersey. This leaves North Carolina and Virginia as obvious targets for future SEC and/or B1G expansion. The States of Washington and Arizona also jump out as potential targets for the B1G based on population as the 12th and 13th largest states, as does northern California with a population of over 10 million.
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For the Cincinnatians or those familar with city, a few questions for y'all:

1. In the Cincinnati Metro area (north of the Ohio River only), what's your best guesstimate, percentage-wise, on the percentage of people across all demographics who would cheer for the Bearcats over the Buckeyes in a football game? And same goes for UC vs. OSU and XU vs OSU in men's basketball?

2. What would be your best guesstimate of the split in Metro Cincinnati (again, north of the river only) among all the schools with significantly sized football fan bases: UC fans, OSU fans, ND fans, Michigan fans, UK fans, anybody else)?

3. Same question as #2 but also including Metro Cincinnati south of the Ohio River (Boone, Campbell and Kenton counties in KY) in the mix as well?
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(09-09-2022 07:25 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-09-2022 06:47 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  
(09-08-2022 12:59 PM)mlb Wrote:  
(09-07-2022 09:58 PM)CintiFan Wrote:  
(09-07-2022 09:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  About the bolded, I bet there are more Bucks fans in the Cincy area than Cincy fans.

Not when I lived there.

Cincinnati is a very "local" town where neighborhoods are important. It also has a large Catholic population, so the "brands" that sell are UC and Notre Dame.

Ohio State is popular because of its success, but I can tell you it's third in line.

The people who have never lived in SW Ohio always say that OSU owns the Cincinnati market. It has never owned it, and most of the state acts like Cincinnati is part of Kentucky as it is. No local polls have ever shown OSU with a larger local fan base than UC.

Same with Louisville, there are more Louisville first fan here and across the river in Indiana then Kentucky and Indiana fans you can blame Schnellenberger, Crum, Pitino for those successful years as well as Cardinal stadium and the YUM Center being state of the art facilities and the old Freedom Hall glory days

About Louisville with regards to football, this makes sense to me. While UofL doesn't have much of a legacy, neither does UK, so no reason to think UK dominates UofL in football interest in the city. Attendance for the two programs is very similar so it stands to reason that Louisville dominates its city in football interest (and hoops interest too, but that's another issue).

But IMO this is very different than the Cincy and Ohio State situation. Ohio State is a dominant blue-blood football program while Cincy isn't.

If Ohio State was drawing 52k fans a game and Cincy was drawing 50k fans a game, which is basically the ratio of football attendance for UK and UofL, then it would make sense to me that Cincy dominates interest in their city. But the actual numbers are more like 100k vs 35k, which leads me to believe that interest in Ohio State football is greater in the Cincy area than interest in Cincy is.

Just MO.

Ohio State's stadium seats about 105,000. Cincinnati's Nippert stadium seats 40,000. That's the reason for the disparity.
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(09-09-2022 09:02 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(09-08-2022 12:51 PM)b2b Wrote:  
(09-06-2022 04:38 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  
(09-06-2022 04:13 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(09-06-2022 04:01 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  The idea that you need a school in a big city to own market share in that city just is not true.

There are more App State fans in Charlotte than there are Charlotte fans. And there are more Ohio State fans in Charlotte than in-state App State fans.

Somehow, I doubt that. I mean, I know Ohio State is popular but they shouldn't penetrate markets like that so much that they overshadow local teams, even FBS startups.

Honestly, I came across some study last week that listed the top five most popular CFB teams in every major U.S. metro, and Ohio State was top five in almost every city, including the west coast. But I can't find the danged link. Can't say much more about that.

I did find this from 2014, which of course was eight years ago. It listed Ohio State number three in Mecklenburg County, NC, i.e. Charlotte.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/footballsco...s-zip-code

That doesn't really shock me. Ohio transplants are basically like locusts. What happened to Ohio?

Those transplants are mostly from Northwestern Ohio. AKA a land formerly dominated by unions and the mafia, AKA the heart of the Rust Belt (which runs from Providence to Fort Wayne, but is centered on Cleveland). People have been fleeing unions, mafia, and shut-down factories for decades.

Cincinnati and Columbus never had any of those 3 problems, and they're doing just fine.

Hey, my dad was from Akron! And he would probably agree with everything you just said.
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(09-09-2022 09:29 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
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(09-07-2022 03:22 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  
(09-06-2022 04:08 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(09-06-2022 04:01 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  The idea that you need a school in a big city to own market share in that city just is not true.

There are more App State fans in Charlotte than there are Charlotte fans. And there are more Ohio State fans in Charlotte than in-state App State fans.

This is all true.

But nothing beats a hometown team.

The Packers are popular, but they're the exception because they're consistent winners. But if the whole league is like the Packers, it's essentially a minor league with minor league-level interest. There's a darn good reason that every other small-town NFL franchise moved to a big city.
The Packers are located in a small city but they are Wisconsin's team. Fans drive from all over the state to attend Packer games and every bar in Wisconsin (at least 1 on every corner in the state) is showing the pre-game, game and post-game.

Yeah - the Packers being a “small market” team is a misnomer because they’re really a giant state flagship brand where they dominate the entire state and every market within it. As someone that once lived a few miles from the Wisconsin state border, you can instantly feel the oppressive universal nature of Packer fandom as soon as you enter the state in even the parts that are actually in the Chicago area as opposed to the Milwaukee area. (Bleh!)

Would the Packers dominate the whole state if they had as many Super Bowl rings as the Vikings?

Would the Packers dominate the whole state if their franchise's best QB was Bernie Kosar instead of Farve, Starr, and Rodgers?

A winning team can expand its fanbase beyond its city. But you can't have a whole league like that because for every team like the Packers or the Crimson Tide, there's a team like the Lions or the Commodores who routinely gets stomped.

texas routinely gets stomped, heck they even lost to Kansas last year. But their fanbase is still just as loud and obnoxious as ever.
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(09-09-2022 04:03 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  For the Cincinnatians or those familar with city, a few questions for y'all:

1. In the Cincinnati Metro area (north of the Ohio River only), what's your best guesstimate, percentage-wise, on the percentage of people across all demographics who would cheer for the Bearcats over the Buckeyes in a football game? And same goes for UC vs. OSU and XU vs OSU in men's basketball?

2. What would be your best guesstimate of the split in Metro Cincinnati (again, north of the river only) among all the schools with significantly sized football fan bases: UC fans, OSU fans, ND fans, Michigan fans, UK fans, anybody else)?

3. Same question as #2 but also including Metro Cincinnati south of the Ohio River (Boone, Campbell and Kenton counties in KY) in the mix as well?

1. 70/30% for Bearcats in football. And probably the same for either UC or X against OSU in bball.

2. 45% Bearcats, 25% ND, and maybe 20% OSU. Louisville and UK get the rest

3. Same as #2 except Louisville and UK eat significantly into the ND and OSU share. Not much support for them there.
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(09-09-2022 07:25 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  ... If Ohio State was drawing 52k fans a game and Cincy was drawing 50k fans a game, which is basically the ratio of football attendance for UK and UofL, then it would make sense to me that Cincy dominates interest in their city. But the actual numbers are more like 100k vs 35k, which leads me to believe that interest in Ohio State football is greater in the Cincy area than interest in Cincy is. ...

Note that the old Brownies were playing in the NFL in Cleveland since 1950 and the Bengals playing in the AFL then NFL in Cincinnati since 1968. The Reds have been playing Major League baseball since 1890, and Cleveland has been playing Major League baseball since 1901.

Meanwhile, central Ohio is Buckeyes this, Buckeyes that, Buckeyes the other thing, wall to wall.

So that's part of your difference in how many seats you want to build into your college stadium ... the Shoe is the destination to watch the top level of football that you can watch in Central Ohio. The top level of football you can watch in Cincinnati is played at Paul Brown.

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(09-09-2022 10:36 AM)mlb Wrote:  Your opinion, again, is absolutely incorrect. Are there some OSU fans in greater Cincinnati? Of course. Are they the largest fan base? No chance. And there are probably a lot of fans of both programs, but UC comes first and foremost among most of those fans.

This would explain why the Buckeyes are so reluctant to play the Bearcats ... they want those "I'll cheer for the Buckeyes when they are playing Bama" fans to keep on doing that, and not to get used to cheering against the Buckeyes when they are playing the Bearcats.
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RE: The elephant in the room when it comes to a P2 take over
(09-06-2022 04:01 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  The idea that you need a school in a big city to own market share in that city just is not true.

There are more App State fans in Charlotte than there are Charlotte fans. And there are more Ohio State fans in Charlotte than in-state App State fans.

The idea that this matters is wrong (not that you brought it up in the first place). It isn't about markets, it's about fans. Dividing FBS means dividing fan bases and revenue.

Are P2 revenues going to be higher than other divisions, sure. Some kind of breakaway can only lower P2 revenues, not increase it. They of course know this. It's just on message boards that simple logic sometimes slips out of the conversation.
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RE: The elephant in the room when it comes to a P2 take over
(09-08-2022 11:53 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(09-08-2022 08:56 AM)OneSockUp Wrote:  College football isn't about city markets; it's about regional markets and strong brands.

College basketball seems to be much more about regional markets than football. Aside from Duke and UNC there aren't a whole lot of national basketball brands. UCLA, KU, and UK lead the best of the rest pack, but their games aren't especially sought after outside of their home markets.

College basketball also doesn't really move the needle for any school that has football aspirations, though.

Kentucky and Kansas games not sought after outside their home markets? Really? That's tough to believe.

He doesn't know what he's talking about. Kansas and Kentucky both draw very large national eyeballs.
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RE: The elephant in the room when it comes to a P2 take over
(09-08-2022 11:53 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(09-08-2022 08:56 AM)OneSockUp Wrote:  College football isn't about city markets; it's about regional markets and strong brands.

College basketball seems to be much more about regional markets than football. Aside from Duke and UNC there aren't a whole lot of national basketball brands. UCLA, KU, and UK lead the best of the rest pack, but their games aren't especially sought after outside of their home markets.

College basketball also doesn't really move the needle for any school that has football aspirations, though.

Kentucky and Kansas games not sought after outside their home markets? Really? That's tough to believe.

An Alabama fan opining on the attractiveness of basketball bluebloods made me chuckle.
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