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(09-14-2022 08:29 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  Even the flagship of our conference is losing enrollment. I hope their profs strike and get more money because that should help balance their declining enrollment numbers.

https://www.toledoblade.com/local/educat...0220913139
Since I don't live in Michigan anymore, in what direction is CMU, WMU, and EMU doing regarding enrollment? I can tell you Ohio U had its largest freshman class ever! Not sure about BGSU, Kent State, Akron, or Miami though! Miami is offering more scholarships then I can ever remember!
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(09-14-2022 09:20 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  
(09-14-2022 08:29 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  Even the flagship of our conference is losing enrollment. I hope their profs strike and get more money because that should help balance their declining enrollment numbers.

https://www.toledoblade.com/local/educat...0220913139
Since I don't live in Michigan anymore, in what direction is CMU, WMU, and EMU doing regarding enrollment? I can tell you Ohio U had its largest freshman class ever! Not sure about BGSU, Kent State, Akron, or Miami though! Miami is offering more scholarships then I can ever remember!

Maybe people don’t want to live in Toledo?
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(09-14-2022 09:28 PM)FrankAnderson Wrote:  https://www.insidehighered.com/admission...s-strategy

That was last year which was great. How are we doing this year?
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Sorry if this is "Subscription Steve" but the Motor City Cruise are having open tryouts. One getting a lot of ink is none other than Ty Groce. Murphy says he has know Groce for 9 years going back to Ty's soph year in h.s. (which is when recruiting interest picks up).

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports...-NLETTER65
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(09-15-2022 03:20 AM)emu79 Wrote:  
(09-14-2022 09:28 PM)FrankAnderson Wrote:  https://www.insidehighered.com/admission...s-strategy

That was last year which was great. How are we doing this year?

Dr. Smith gave a 11 minute interview.

Frosh enrollment seemed stable (give or take a few students). Might be some fall off with soph and junior retention.

https://www.wemu.org/tags/emu-enrollment

Most shocking stat if I got it right: State funding of higher ed in MI ranks #47 on a per capita basis.

If I got that right, it is shocking. There are some states which don't spend s*it on anything be it higher education, infrastructure, etc. etc. Some states are dirt power. Mississippi is in the news now.
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(09-15-2022 02:22 AM)holybovine Wrote:  
(09-14-2022 09:20 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  
(09-14-2022 08:29 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  Even the flagship of our conference is losing enrollment. I hope their profs strike and get more money because that should help balance their declining enrollment numbers.

https://www.toledoblade.com/local/educat...0220913139
Since I don't live in Michigan anymore, in what direction is CMU, WMU, and EMU doing regarding enrollment? I can tell you Ohio U had its largest freshman class ever! Not sure about BGSU, Kent State, Akron, or Miami though! Miami is offering more scholarships then I can ever remember!

Maybe people don’t want to live in Toledo?

Good one Holy - I think you’re right 04-cheers
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(09-14-2022 09:20 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  
(09-14-2022 08:29 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  Even the flagship of our conference is losing enrollment. I hope their profs strike and get more money because that should help balance their declining enrollment numbers.

https://www.toledoblade.com/local/educat...0220913139
Since I don't live in Michigan anymore, in what direction is CMU, WMU, and EMU doing regarding enrollment? I can tell you Ohio U had its largest freshman class ever! Not sure about BGSU, Kent State, Akron, or Miami though! Miami is offering more scholarships then I can ever remember!
We are all shrinking:
https://wmich.edu/institutionalresearch/...0dose.html

https://www.cmich.edu/docs/default-sourc...c6ff5833_9

https://irim.emich.edu/datafiles/pdf/EMU...021_v1.pdf (see page # four for totals)
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(09-15-2022 01:14 PM)masttg Wrote:  
(09-14-2022 09:20 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  
(09-14-2022 08:29 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  Even the flagship of our conference is losing enrollment. I hope their profs strike and get more money because that should help balance their declining enrollment numbers.

https://www.toledoblade.com/local/educat...0220913139
Since I don't live in Michigan anymore, in what direction is CMU, WMU, and EMU doing regarding enrollment? I can tell you Ohio U had its largest freshman class ever! Not sure about BGSU, Kent State, Akron, or Miami though! Miami is offering more scholarships then I can ever remember!
We are all shrinking:
https://wmich.edu/institutionalresearch/...0dose.html

https://www.cmich.edu/docs/default-sourc...c6ff5833_9

https://irim.emich.edu/datafiles/pdf/EMU...021_v1.pdf (see page # four for totals)

I looked, albeit quickly, at all of the data the downward trend for all 3 schools is noticeable.

CMU's data is dismal. I wonder when they start to have budget problems from lack of credit hours taken?

One thing good about EMU's data: the graduation rate for the cohorts from 2002 - 2015 shows good progress in increasing the graduation rate. Those entering 2002 only ~36% graduated in 6 years. With the 2015 incoming class, it had risen to over 48%.
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(09-15-2022 01:51 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(09-15-2022 01:14 PM)masttg Wrote:  
(09-14-2022 09:20 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  
(09-14-2022 08:29 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  Even the flagship of our conference is losing enrollment. I hope their profs strike and get more money because that should help balance their declining enrollment numbers.

https://www.toledoblade.com/local/educat...0220913139
Since I don't live in Michigan anymore, in what direction is CMU, WMU, and EMU doing regarding enrollment? I can tell you Ohio U had its largest freshman class ever! Not sure about BGSU, Kent State, Akron, or Miami though! Miami is offering more scholarships then I can ever remember!
We are all shrinking:
https://wmich.edu/institutionalresearch/...0dose.html

https://www.cmich.edu/docs/default-sourc...c6ff5833_9

https://irim.emich.edu/datafiles/pdf/EMU...021_v1.pdf (see page # four for totals)

I looked, albeit quickly, at all of the data the downward trend for all 3 schools is noticeable.

CMU's data is dismal. I wonder when they start to have budget problems from lack of credit hours taken?

One thing good about EMU's data: the graduation rate for the cohorts from 2002 - 2015 shows good progress in increasing the graduation rate. Those entering 2002 only ~36% graduated in 6 years. With the 2015 incoming class, it had risen to over 48%.
Yes. If EMU can bolster retention and graduation rates, then good budget solutions can be implemented.
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RE: Monday's Musings
(09-15-2022 01:14 PM)masttg Wrote:  
(09-14-2022 09:20 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  
(09-14-2022 08:29 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  Even the flagship of our conference is losing enrollment. I hope their profs strike and get more money because that should help balance their declining enrollment numbers.

https://www.toledoblade.com/local/educat...0220913139
Since I don't live in Michigan anymore, in what direction is CMU, WMU, and EMU doing regarding enrollment? I can tell you Ohio U had its largest freshman class ever! Not sure about BGSU, Kent State, Akron, or Miami though! Miami is offering more scholarships then I can ever remember!
We are all shrinking:
https://wmich.edu/institutionalresearch/...0dose.html

https://www.cmich.edu/docs/default-sourc...c6ff5833_9

https://irim.emich.edu/datafiles/pdf/EMU...021_v1.pdf (see page # four for totals)

Thanks Tom, your "inside" contributions have been invaluable to me when analyzing the faculty strike and enrollment issues. I appreciate your expert opinion and the facts you present.

Glory Days states the "Miami is offering more scholarships" and Frank's post regarding EMU's success included a statement from a minority student that the "full tuition scholarship" led her to EMU. If a university is buttressing its enrollment numbers by subsidizing tuition, is that truly sustainable financially? I think it is called "buying business".
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(09-15-2022 04:44 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  
(09-15-2022 01:14 PM)masttg Wrote:  
(09-14-2022 09:20 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  
(09-14-2022 08:29 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  Even the flagship of our conference is losing enrollment. I hope their profs strike and get more money because that should help balance their declining enrollment numbers.

https://www.toledoblade.com/local/educat...0220913139
Since I don't live in Michigan anymore, in what direction is CMU, WMU, and EMU doing regarding enrollment? I can tell you Ohio U had its largest freshman class ever! Not sure about BGSU, Kent State, Akron, or Miami though! Miami is offering more scholarships then I can ever remember!
We are all shrinking:
https://wmich.edu/institutionalresearch/...0dose.html

https://www.cmich.edu/docs/default-sourc...c6ff5833_9

https://irim.emich.edu/datafiles/pdf/EMU...021_v1.pdf (see page # four for totals)

Thanks Tom, your "inside" contributions have been invaluable to me when analyzing the faculty strike and enrollment issues. I appreciate your expert opinion and the facts you present.

Glory Days states the "Miami is offering more scholarships" and Frank's post regarding EMU's success included a statement from a minority student that the "full tuition scholarship" led her to EMU. If a university is buttressing its enrollment numbers by subsidizing tuition, is that truly sustainable financially? I think it is called "buying business".

In the world of universities, there is a practice known as "tuition discounting". Basically, you set tuition at a level that you really don't expect all students, other than the ones with the most resources (e.g. wealthy family, ready access to loans), to pay. You then offer various levels of institutional scholarships to "discount" tuition more toward the level of your actual operating costs.

The institution elects to forgo the "surplus revenue" they earn from full tuition to bolster their enrollment numbers with enticing "scholarships" offered to students who otherwise may not be able to afford to go to college. Many of these are also students who qualify for Pell Grants and other types of funding, so often tuition can almost be fully paid for these students.

One challenge with tuition discounting is that it limits or even reduces growth of your reserve funds so some things the institution may want/need to do (e.g. raises, program support) need to be reduced/postponed/cut. Universities budget with tuition discounting targets in mind, but as is the case with any business, when you discount the price of your product, you discount your revenue base.
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(09-16-2022 10:50 AM)cidbearit Wrote:  
(09-15-2022 04:44 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  
(09-15-2022 01:14 PM)masttg Wrote:  
(09-14-2022 09:20 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  
(09-14-2022 08:29 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  Even the flagship of our conference is losing enrollment. I hope their profs strike and get more money because that should help balance their declining enrollment numbers.

https://www.toledoblade.com/local/educat...0220913139
Since I don't live in Michigan anymore, in what direction is CMU, WMU, and EMU doing regarding enrollment? I can tell you Ohio U had its largest freshman class ever! Not sure about BGSU, Kent State, Akron, or Miami though! Miami is offering more scholarships then I can ever remember!
We are all shrinking:
https://wmich.edu/institutionalresearch/...0dose.html

https://www.cmich.edu/docs/default-sourc...c6ff5833_9

https://irim.emich.edu/datafiles/pdf/EMU...021_v1.pdf (see page # four for totals)

Thanks Tom, your "inside" contributions have been invaluable to me when analyzing the faculty strike and enrollment issues. I appreciate your expert opinion and the facts you present.

Glory Days states the "Miami is offering more scholarships" and Frank's post regarding EMU's success included a statement from a minority student that the "full tuition scholarship" led her to EMU. If a university is buttressing its enrollment numbers by subsidizing tuition, is that truly sustainable financially? I think it is called "buying business".

In the world of universities, there is a practice known as "tuition discounting". Basically, you set tuition at a level that you really don't expect all students, other than the ones with the most resources (e.g. wealthy family, ready access to loans), to pay. You then offer various levels of institutional scholarships to "discount" tuition more toward the level of your actual operating costs.

The institution elects to forgo the "surplus revenue" they earn from full tuition to bolster their enrollment numbers with enticing "scholarships" offered to students who otherwise may not be able to afford to go to college. Many of these are also students who qualify for Pell Grants and other types of funding, so often tuition can almost be fully paid for these students.

One challenge with tuition discounting is that it limits or even reduces growth of your reserve funds so some things the institution may want/need to do (e.g. raises, program support) need to be reduced/postponed/cut. Universities budget with tuition discounting targets in mind, but as is the case with any business, when you discount the price of your product, you discount your revenue base.

Thanks! That might be the most enlightening post on this board, EVER.
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(09-16-2022 10:50 AM)cidbearit Wrote:  
(09-15-2022 04:44 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  
(09-15-2022 01:14 PM)masttg Wrote:  
(09-14-2022 09:20 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  
(09-14-2022 08:29 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  Even the flagship of our conference is losing enrollment. I hope their profs strike and get more money because that should help balance their declining enrollment numbers.

https://www.toledoblade.com/local/educat...0220913139
Since I don't live in Michigan anymore, in what direction is CMU, WMU, and EMU doing regarding enrollment? I can tell you Ohio U had its largest freshman class ever! Not sure about BGSU, Kent State, Akron, or Miami though! Miami is offering more scholarships then I can ever remember!
We are all shrinking:
https://wmich.edu/institutionalresearch/...0dose.html

https://www.cmich.edu/docs/default-sourc...c6ff5833_9

https://irim.emich.edu/datafiles/pdf/EMU...021_v1.pdf (see page # four for totals)

Thanks Tom, your "inside" contributions have been invaluable to me when analyzing the faculty strike and enrollment issues. I appreciate your expert opinion and the facts you present.

Glory Days states the "Miami is offering more scholarships" and Frank's post regarding EMU's success included a statement from a minority student that the "full tuition scholarship" led her to EMU. If a university is buttressing its enrollment numbers by subsidizing tuition, is that truly sustainable financially? I think it is called "buying business".

In the world of universities, there is a practice known as "tuition discounting". Basically, you set tuition at a level that you really don't expect all students, other than the ones with the most resources (e.g. wealthy family, ready access to loans), to pay. You then offer various levels of institutional scholarships to "discount" tuition more toward the level of your actual operating costs.

The institution elects to forgo the "surplus revenue" they earn from full tuition to bolster their enrollment numbers with enticing "scholarships" offered to students who otherwise may not be able to afford to go to college. Many of these are also students who qualify for Pell Grants and other types of funding, so often tuition can almost be fully paid for these students.

One challenge with tuition discounting is that it limits or even reduces growth of your reserve funds so some things the institution may want/need to do (e.g. raises, program support) need to be reduced/postponed/cut. Universities budget with tuition discounting targets in mind, but as is the case with any business, when you discount the price of your product, you discount your revenue base.
Yup. And somewhere there is an analysis of EMU’s discount rate. That is how many students that receive some percentage off. Schools with high discount rates need to offer lots of cash to maintain enrollment. Apparently, EMU has a high discount rate for a regional public U.
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I’m finding Appalachian State Football quite interesting because they were once FCS and have surpassed FBS MAC football.

Apparently they were creative in removing the track around the stadium back in 2018 and can seat 30,000 fans. Reportedly they do not make money but they do not lose money on football either.

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/.../#football
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Ben bryant is looking really good vs Miami. He is a perfect.10 - 10.

Apparently he really improved his year with us according the to Fickell.
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Kalen DeBoar again showing it is easier to produce where the ground is most fertile. The ground is more fertile in the B1G, SEC, Pac-12, etc. (there was a desert last night in Tempe).

Sometimes, I'm not surprised to see a coach go from a G5 (or mid-major MBB) and actually do better at the higher competition levels.

https://twitter.com/thevannzee/status/15...DEG4gzz3Pg
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There was very real musing earlier this month over the short lived faculty strike, but we should be happy that EMU sports has become, a real plus for the university.

NFL fans all over recognize Maxx Crosby. College basketball fans all over know of EMU's Emoni Bates. And now college football fans all over know of our big win in the desert over a Pac-12 foe.

I have long maintained, as Dr. Martin used to say, athletics are the front porch of a university. UNLV was more renown for its MBB than its academics. OTOH, Cal Poly is more renown for its academics than it athletics. Point made?

Academically Alabama and Georgia can't hold a candle to Cal Poly.
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