I do remember a couple of faux pas games for Sagan against the dregs.
1- he lost to Louisiana Monroe. Lost at Home.
2 He struggled against FCS Georgia Southern who ran for 300 or 400 yards against the Bama D. Just shoved it down their throat.

(09-09-2022 03:37 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  I do remember a couple of faux pas games for Sagan against the dregs.
1- he lost to Louisiana Monroe. Lost at Home.
2 He struggled against FCS Georgia Southern who ran for 300 or 400 yards against the Bama D. Just shoved it down their throat.

302 against a Bama defense that in the previous 10 games was only giving up 52 yards a game on the ground & was #1 in the nation against the rush. They were befuddled by the triple option. That year GSU went to their 2nd straight of 3 straight semis (lost the last 2 to NDSU) before announcing their move up. Saban talking about it at the 58 second mark (said Alabama had only given up 300 yds on the ground all season/30 yds a game (It was actually 519/52 a game but why let facts get in the way of a good story)..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bEa5MI3WwQ
I like the whole at the beginning of the season is like getting married story lol..

(09-09-2022 08:44 AM)jmufan2008 Wrote:  

(09-09-2022 07:49 AM)doubleduke2016 Wrote:  

(09-05-2022 03:50 PM)bjk3047 Wrote:  Everyone seems to be overlooking an obvious weakness. MTSU receivers had our secondary beat about 6-7 times, but this was forgotten as soon as their QB overthrew them or the receiver dropped the pass on every occasion. We will not be this fortunate against Appy.

I agree the game could have been very competitive if they don't drop a few balls or if their QB puts it where it should be. Granted we were in his face but you'd think other teams will have slightly better OL's and probably better WR's as well. The game changing big shot downfield concerns me because we almost got burned by it multiple times by a team that is not very good.

It also cuts both ways though. Our guys made some great plays, don't get me wrong, but they didn't make ALL of them. We left a significant number of points on the field and shut it down halfway into the 3rd quarter. A blocked FG, 2-3 tosses over the top that were really close to being caught or just out of bounds, a run or two that were one guy away from breaking it open... And we could've kept the pedal down longer. Also, take away a dumb penalty and they don't score at all. Not to mention the pass they scored on was nearly intercepted. If it bounces any other way off our safety, they still don't score. The chances that the game could have been 35-21 is about the same as it could have been 61-0.

Our secondary may be our biggest weakness right now, but let's not throw them under the bus here. A bunch of them transferred in and still played well under a new system with a new team. Sucks that we play probably the best QB on our schedule in game 3, but it is what it is. Hopefully our front can get pressure and make him uncomfortable.

Also, lol at this thread. Always cracks me up when fans warn other fans about not getting overconfident. We're fans. Half the fun is letting our imaginations run wild. Is my 8-3 preseason prediction going to be right? Who knows...but right now it looks a hell of a lot better than the people who predicted 3 or 4 wins. Even if our guys overlook NSU, they're ranked #237 in D1 right now by Massey. This isn't a top 25 FCS team we're playing. Even as an FCS team, we regarded NSU as a scrimmage and literally, when these games were scheduled, people on here were pissed because they thought it was below us...as another FCS team. Now we're saying we're at least a mid-tier team in the best G5 conference division in the country and we're worried that we might overlook Norfolk State? Give me a break.

I also predicted 8-3.

BSKB might need to bring out another warning. Overconfidence is about to go through the roof and there is no stopping it now. 11-0 baby! And JMU will claim the Sun Belt title even without a trophy, then claim a national title when all other FBS teams finish with at least one loss.

(09-05-2022 12:12 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  Will JMU ever lose again? Seems unlikely but I guess crazier things have happened.

Bump

(09-24-2022 08:29 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  BSKB might need to bring out another warning. Overconfidence is about to go through the roof and there is no stopping it now. 11-0 baby! And JMU will claim the Sun Belt title even without a trophy, then claim a national title when all other FBS teams finish with at least one loss.

I like it.

We’ll just make our own freaking Natl Champs rings, like the tics did as “State champions”.

Ha

In my original post I said I didn't know if we were that good or MTSU was that bad. The just whipped U of Miami! Makes our complete dismantling of them look pretty damned good right now.

(09-25-2022 07:16 AM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  In my original post I said I didn't know if we were that good or MTSU was that bad. The just whipped U of Miami! Makes our complete dismantling of them look pretty damned good right now.

I guess you have your answer now. MTSU was, is, and remains a darn good team. JMU, however, is at an entirely different and higher level.

(09-25-2022 07:16 AM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  In my original post I said I didn't know if we were that good or MTSU was that bad. The just whipped U of Miami! Makes our complete dismantling of them look pretty damned good right now.

Love this post from the Realignment page....

"As to James Madison ... that team in its first game of the season manhandled my Middle Tennessee State Blue Raiders, which just beat Miami on the road. JMU is legit."

It's great to see a solid amount acknowledging how good JMU is, but there's still a decent amount of people who are kind of treating wins like bad games from the opponents rather than JMU just being good. Decent amount of "App State blew it" instead of "JMU fought back" and "What a turnaround by MTSU after a terrible first game" instead of "Turns out JMU smoked a good team, JMU is legit."

Hopefully we just keep taking care of business and causing them to change their tune.

Be prepared...one bad loss and we will tumble / lose the perception gain...amazing start but it's gonna take a few years to escape the rationalizations

(09-25-2022 02:20 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  Be prepared...one bad loss and we will tumble / lose the perception gain...amazing start but it's gonna take a few years to escape the rationalizations

Agree. App seems to have escaped that, Coastal Carolina TBD. Makes you wonder where we would be had we come out in 2014 with App and GSU. Although, having said that, without Marshall and ODU, the SBC wasn’t compelling. Great time to be a Duke!

(09-25-2022 02:07 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  It's great to see a solid amount acknowledging how good JMU is, but there's still a decent amount of people who are kind of treating wins like bad games from the opponents rather than JMU just being good. Decent amount of "App State blew it" instead of "JMU fought back" and "What a turnaround by MTSU after a terrible first game" instead of "Turns out JMU smoked a good team, JMU is legit."

Hopefully we just keep taking care of business and causing them to change their tune.

Perception is funny. I am surprised at the "App State blew it" mindset. When I step back, it is clearly nothing but "JMU blew the 2nd quarter". I am sorry, but if one team is better for 45-50 minutes of the game but the other team went on a crazy run for 10 minutes....the logical thought is to assume the 10 minutes were the fluke, not the 50 minutes.

Looking at the drives shows no different of a picture either. App State scored on drives that were 68 yards, 58 yards, 22 yards and 18 yards. Is the fluke that you couldn't score in the 1st, 3rd and 4th quarter? Or is the reality that you were given 2 possessions with extremely short fields and really only put together (2) solid drives all day? JMU had a short field score as well, but also had a 92 yard and 75 yard possessions for TD's, and 65 yard possession with a FG to go along with it. Not to mention flat out leaving points on the table with a missed FG and a 63 yard possession ending with a downs inside the 10. Who put together more solid drives all game?

To me it is pretty clear who blew what...and App State didn't blow the game.

We've clearly allowed one quarter, out of three games, to slip away from us. That one quarter and the lack of focus, almost bit us, or at the least, made for a lot of drama. Looking at the two teams on the field Saturday, we were two touchdowns better. It looked like men against boys. This is not me being overconfident, this is simply what I witnessed. We'll stump our toes a couple times going forward, but we're dam# good.

(09-26-2022 07:15 AM)drewmey Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 02:07 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  It's great to see a solid amount acknowledging how good JMU is, but there's still a decent amount of people who are kind of treating wins like bad games from the opponents rather than JMU just being good. Decent amount of "App State blew it" instead of "JMU fought back" and "What a turnaround by MTSU after a terrible first game" instead of "Turns out JMU smoked a good team, JMU is legit."

Hopefully we just keep taking care of business and causing them to change their tune.

Perception is funny. I am surprised at the "App State blew it" mindset. When I step back, it is clearly nothing but "JMU blew the 2nd quarter". I am sorry, but if one team is better for 45-50 minutes of the game but the other team went on a crazy run for 10 minutes....the logical thought is to assume the 10 minutes were the fluke, not the 50 minutes.

Looking at the drives shows no different of a picture either. App State scored on drives that were 68 yards, 58 yards, 22 yards and 18 yards. Is the fluke that you couldn't score in the 1st, 3rd and 4th quarter? Or is the reality that you were given 2 possessions with extremely short fields and really only put together (2) solid drives? JMU had a short field score as well, but also had a 92 yard and 75 yard possessions for TD's, and 65 yard possession with a FG to go along with it. Not to mention flat out leaving points on the table with a missed FG and a 63 yard possession ending with a downs inside the 10. Who put together more solid drives all game?

To me it is pretty clear who blew what...and App State didn't blow the game.

We might feel the same way if JMU blew a 28-3 lead. I'm sure App fans feel like their gut was ripped out by Duke Dawg claws and can't believe how their commanding lead didn't hold up.
The thrill of victory and the agony of defeat. Isn't that why we watch sports?

For me, this feels like a nice offset for the 2007 playoff last-minute fumble in the red zone. That was gut wrenching and has been for 15 years

What gives me even more hope is that JMU was playing with 90% FCS recruits, in a hostile environment, and didn't play their best game. Yet that was still enough to beat the #1 team in the Sun Belt.
The best is yet to come

(09-26-2022 08:31 AM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 07:15 AM)drewmey Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 02:07 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  It's great to see a solid amount acknowledging how good JMU is, but there's still a decent amount of people who are kind of treating wins like bad games from the opponents rather than JMU just being good. Decent amount of "App State blew it" instead of "JMU fought back" and "What a turnaround by MTSU after a terrible first game" instead of "Turns out JMU smoked a good team, JMU is legit."

Hopefully we just keep taking care of business and causing them to change their tune.

Perception is funny. I am surprised at the "App State blew it" mindset. When I step back, it is clearly nothing but "JMU blew the 2nd quarter". I am sorry, but if one team is better for 45-50 minutes of the game but the other team went on a crazy run for 10 minutes....the logical thought is to assume the 10 minutes were the fluke, not the 50 minutes.

Looking at the drives shows no different of a picture either. App State scored on drives that were 68 yards, 58 yards, 22 yards and 18 yards. Is the fluke that you couldn't score in the 1st, 3rd and 4th quarter? Or is the reality that you were given 2 possessions with extremely short fields and really only put together (2) solid drives? JMU had a short field score as well, but also had a 92 yard and 75 yard possessions for TD's, and 65 yard possession with a FG to go along with it. Not to mention flat out leaving points on the table with a missed FG and a 63 yard possession ending with a downs inside the 10. Who put together more solid drives all game?

To me it is pretty clear who blew what...and App State didn't blow the game.

We might feel the same way if JMU blew a 28-3 lead. I'm sure App fans feel like their gut was ripped out by Duke Dawg claws and can't believe how their commanding lead didn't hold up.
The thrill of victory and the agony of defeat. Isn't that why we watch sports?

For me, this feels like a nice offset for the 2007 playoff last-minute fumble in the red zone. That was gut wrenching and has been for 15 years

What gives me even more hope is that JMU was playing with 90% FCS recruits, in a hostile environment, and didn't play their best game. Yet that was still enough to beat the #1 team in the Sun Belt.
The best is yet to come

Hart agree that this one takes the sting out of 2007. Still remember drowning our sorrows that night in Boone.

Wish I could have made this one as well, but way too much going on these days to make that trip. 2007 was a different time with no kids, etc. and it was easy to just make the 9 hour drive and be gone for a weekend.

(09-26-2022 07:15 AM)drewmey Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 02:07 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  It's great to see a solid amount acknowledging how good JMU is, but there's still a decent amount of people who are kind of treating wins like bad games from the opponents rather than JMU just being good. Decent amount of "App State blew it" instead of "JMU fought back" and "What a turnaround by MTSU after a terrible first game" instead of "Turns out JMU smoked a good team, JMU is legit."

Hopefully we just keep taking care of business and causing them to change their tune.

Perception is funny. I am surprised at the "App State blew it" mindset. When I step back, it is clearly nothing but "JMU blew the 2nd quarter". I am sorry, but if one team is better for 45-50 minutes of the game but the other team went on a crazy run for 10 minutes....the logical thought is to assume the 10 minutes were the fluke, not the 50 minutes.

Looking at the drives shows no different of a picture either. App State scored on drives that were 68 yards, 58 yards, 22 yards and 18 yards. Is the fluke that you couldn't score in the 1st, 3rd and 4th quarter? Or is the reality that you were given 2 possessions with extremely short fields and really only put together (2) solid drives all day? JMU had a short field score as well, but also had a 92 yard and 75 yard possessions for TD's, and 65 yard possession with a FG to go along with it. Not to mention flat out leaving points on the table with a missed FG and a 63 yard possession ending with a downs inside the 10. Who put together more solid drives all game?

To me it is pretty clear who blew what...and App State didn't blow the game.

Yea, and having re-watched the game, the 2nd TD after Palmer just dropped the ball on the 1st play after the kickoff...

We stopped every play they ran on that short drive.....except the TD pass by Brice in which he was nearly sacked for a big loss but scrambled and threw an absolute perfect pass on a very well covered TE. Credit to him for the throw....but he makes that pass complete 1 out of a 100 times. If it's not hit that 1 time, they have 3rd and goal from the 11 and I like our chances to hold them to a FG and the game play in that debacle of a 2nd for us could have been completely different.

(09-26-2022 07:15 AM)drewmey Wrote:  Perception is funny. I am surprised at the "App State blew it" mindset. When I step back, it is clearly nothing but "JMU blew the 2nd quarter". I am sorry, but if one team is better for 45-50 minutes of the game but the other team went on a crazy run for 10 minutes....the logical thought is to assume the 10 minutes were the fluke, not the 50 minutes.

Looking at the drives shows no different of a picture either. App State scored on drives that were 68 yards, 58 yards, 22 yards and 18 yards. Is the fluke that you couldn't score in the 1st, 3rd and 4th quarter? Or is the reality that you were given 2 possessions with extremely short fields and really only put together (2) solid drives all day? JMU had a short field score as well, but also had a 92 yard and 75 yard possessions for TD's, and 65 yard possession with a FG to go along with it. Not to mention flat out leaving points on the table with a missed FG and a 63 yard possession ending with a downs inside the 10. Who put together more solid drives all game?

To me it is pretty clear who blew what...and App State didn't blow the game.

In hindsight that 10 minute or so stretch of game time where AppSt controlled the game was very reminiscent of the Sam Houston St game. For a short window of time almost everything that could go wrong did go wrong. The difference being is that we were up 17 or so against SHSU when it happened vs just 3 so it doesn't completely feel the same. However, for the rest of the game in both cases was pretty much all Dukes.

(09-26-2022 07:15 AM)drewmey Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 02:07 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  It's great to see a solid amount acknowledging how good JMU is, but there's still a decent amount of people who are kind of treating wins like bad games from the opponents rather than JMU just being good. Decent amount of "App State blew it" instead of "JMU fought back" and "What a turnaround by MTSU after a terrible first game" instead of "Turns out JMU smoked a good team, JMU is legit."

Hopefully we just keep taking care of business and causing them to change their tune.

Perception is funny. I am surprised at the "App State blew it" mindset. When I step back, it is clearly nothing but "JMU blew the 2nd quarter". I am sorry, but if one team is better for 45-50 minutes of the game but the other team went on a crazy run for 10 minutes....the logical thought is to assume the 10 minutes were the fluke, not the 50 minutes.

Looking at the drives shows no different of a picture either. App State scored on drives that were 68 yards, 58 yards, 22 yards and 18 yards. Is the fluke that you couldn't score in the 1st, 3rd and 4th quarter? Or is the reality that you were given 2 possessions with extremely short fields and really only put together (2) solid drives all day? JMU had a short field score as well, but also had a 92 yard and 75 yard possessions for TD's, and 65 yard possession with a FG to go along with it. Not to mention flat out leaving points on the table with a missed FG and a 63 yard possession ending with a downs inside the 10. Who put together more solid drives all game?

To me it is pretty clear who blew what...and App State didn't blow the game.

I completely agree that JMU had a bad 15 minutes and showed they deserved to win at all other times. I 100% believe JMU was the better team. But frankly, App SHOULD have won that game so I can't argue with the "App State blew it" line. It's a clear cut case - for whatever reasons App was up 25 points and if you can't hold that lead for 35 minutes at home, you blew it.

With that said, if someone's only take away is "App blew it" they aren't paying attention.