(09-06-2022 07:48 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(09-06-2022 06:59 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(09-06-2022 11:01 AM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(09-05-2022 07:10 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(09-05-2022 01:10 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  If you go back over the last decade and fill the 12 spots using the final CFP poll and taking into account who gets bumped regarding a G-5 spot and then subtract USC, and Oklahoma from the P12 and B12 and give their values to the B10 and SEC you get:

29% of spots to the SEC
18% of spots to the B10
13% of spots to the ACC
9% of spots to the P12
9% of sports to non P-5
8% of sports to the B12
5% of spots to Notre Dame

If you divide this into $600 million you get

$156 million for the SEC or $9.75 million per school

$108 million for the B10 or $6.75 million per school

$78 million for the ACC or $5.57 million per school

$54 million for the P12 or $5.4 million per school

$48 million for the B12 of $4 million per school

$5 million for ND for each appearance

A formula like this helps shows the value of Oklahoma and USC versus Texas and UCLA to the SEC and B10.

Your calculation is roughly consistent with Dennis Dodd’s numbers. He thinks the SEC and the BIG will get 25 percent each. The ACC may get slightly over 10 percent and the Pac and the B12 would get slightly less than 10 percent. G5 will get the other 20 percent. For some reason, Dodd didn’t take ND into account.

By the way, Dodd expects the expanded playoff money would be doubled so the total payout would be $1.2B instead of $600 million. If the ACC gets 13 percent as you calculated, each ACC school would get more than $11 million each year. We are talking about real money here and I think this is one area where the league can adopt the uneqaul revenue distribution to make Clemson/FSU happy (or less unhappy).

The current payout according to what Dodd wrote is $600 M. If it doubles, the new amount of money is also $600 M. I was attempting to show "new" money.

If the formula is based on past performance the B10 is not getting 25% of the pie.

The SEC would get $20 M per school.
The B10 would get $13 M per school.
The ACC and P12 would get @ $11 M per school
The B12 would get $8 Million per school
ND would get $10 M per appearance. - Again only half of this being "new" money. This is the ACC with 14 mouths to feed and the P10 having 10, and B12 having only 12.

In order to reward those that earn the money you could take that $156 M and pay it out:

1 - $ 17 M
2 - $ 17 M
3,4,5,6 - $12 M each
7,8,9,10 - $10 M each
11,12,13,14 - $8 M each

And give $2 M for each selectee.

If you used a 6 year running average Clemson is of course number one.
2 Miami at 47-28
3 NC State at 46-27
4 WF at 45-30
5 Pitt at 45-32
6. VT at 44-33

The bottom four are Syracuse with just 27 wins, Duke with 29 wins, GT with 30 wins, and UVa with 36 wins. They get the "big hit" so to speak.

Over the past 5 years Clemson would have pocketed an extra $112 Million. FSU would have been number 2 for three of those years before dropping. FSU would have brought in $82 million. Miami would be at about $78 M. NC State would be at about $ 64 M.

That's an annual average of -

$18.7 M for Clemson
$13. 7 M for FSU
$13 M for Miami
$11.7 M for VT
$10.7 M for NC State

Bottom dwellers get $8 M.

I'm not sure where that $600 million figure comes from. I've not seen any reports above about $470 million, with about 20% going to G5 conferences. As for a future CFP, any numbers thrown out are just speculation, which usually is more than what actually happens when the contracts are signed.

That’s fair. We probably don’t know exactly how much money the ESPN is going to pay for the expanded playoff although we do expect it’s going to be fairly large.

The important point is that Dennis Dodd thinks there will be a hierarchy/pecking order within the P5 and the ACC may get the third biggest share.

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Sweet Jesus that is a lot of money. I had $1.2B. It's $2.2B. You are talking a good $40M for each Big Ten and SEC school and ND.

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(09-06-2022 09:06 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Welcome to the Big Ten, Pac-12 schools
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https://twitter.com/Genetics56/status/15...7137350656

QUOTH THE RAVEN NEVERMORE

(09-05-2022 11:05 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  

(09-05-2022 11:03 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(09-05-2022 10:03 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  This is Dennis Dodd’s educated guess:

SEC and Big Ten combine to get half the total, $600 million ($300 million each). That's an additional $16.7 million per year for each of those leagues' schools.

ACC, Big 12 and Pac-12 (depending on membership) split 30% of the pot, $360 million ($120 million each). That's approximately $10 million more per year for those schools. Another consideration: Perhaps the ACC, given the strength of some of its programs, sits on a tier of its own earning a sum between the Power Two and the Big 12 and Pac-12.

Group of Five conferences split the remaining 20% of the pot, $240 million ($48 million each). That's an additional $3.9 million per year for each school in the AAC, Conference USA, MAC, Mountain West and Sun Belt.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/...r-AA11stL9

Seems about right. I cannot imagine the reaction on the main board if the ACC ends up with getting more than B12 and Pac.

This might be one way ESPN uses its influence to help out the ACC without it costing them anything directly.

Take Dodd's educated guess with a grain of salt.

If it's based on CFP performance, then the ACC should absolutely get more than the Big 12 and PAC. The Big12 lost their only CFP team and the PAC hasn't been to the CFP in quite a while.

Except the Big 12 likely has a playoff team last year if not for......Cincinnati. in an expanded playoffs the Big 12 would have had 3 playoff teams. The ACC isn't getting a bigger cut and Big 12 football is much better than it is given credit for. It is likely the third best football league.

(09-08-2022 11:01 AM)CatsClaw1 Wrote:  The ACC isn't getting a bigger cut and Big 12 football is much better than it is given credit for. It is likely the third best football league.

You are forgiven for your "new to the P5" rookie excitement, but the Big XII is not better than the ACC without Oklahoma and Texas.

However, you may have a valid point on CFP distribution. Here are all of the teams which would've made the field (by year) from 2014 through 2021 if the CFP had been a 12-team field all along:*


Using the new post-2025 conference alignments (as we know them today), yields these totals by league:

SEC: 28 (29%)
B1G: 25 (26%)
XII: 13 (14%)
ACC: 12 (13%)
Pac: 10 (10%)
N.D.: 4 (4%)
All G5s: 4 (4%)

Based on that, it kinda looks like 25% each for the SEC and B1G isn't far off, but I suspect Dodd underestimated for the P3 and overestimated for the G5.

* It's a major assumption that Cincinnati, Houston, and UCF would all win as much in the Big XII as they have been winning in the American - especially if the Big XII is going to be as strong as you say!

New Big XII teams will face Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Iowa State and OK State, plus one another, instead of their cushiony AAC slate. The comparison isn't even relevant until they play their first Big XII season.

(09-08-2022 02:08 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(09-08-2022 11:01 AM)CatsClaw1 Wrote:  The ACC isn't getting a bigger cut and Big 12 football is much better than it is given credit for. It is likely the third best football league.

You are forgiven for your "new to the P5" rookie excitement, but the Big XII is not better than the ACC without Oklahoma and Texas.

However, you may have a valid point on CFP distribution. Here are all of the teams which would've made the field (by year) from 2014 through 2021 if the CFP had been a 12-team field all along:*

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2014        2015        2016        2017
Alabama     Clemson     Alabama     Clemson
Oregon      Alabama     Clemson     Oklahoma
Florida St  Michigan St Ohio State  Georgia
Ohio State  Oklahoma    Washington  Ohio State
Baylor      Stanford    Oklahoma    U.S.C.
Boise State Houston     W. Michigan U.C.F.
T.C.U.      Iowa        Penn State  Alabama
Miss. State Ohio State  Michigan    Wisconsin
Michigan St Notre Dame  Wisconsin   Auburn
Ole Miss    Florida St  U.S.C.      Penn State
Arizona     N. Carolina Colorado    Miami
Kansas St   T.C.U.      Florida St  Washington

2018        2019        2020        2021
Alabama     L.S.U.      Alabama     Alabama
Clemson     Ohio State  Clemson     Michigan
Ohio State  Clemson     Ohio State  Cincinnati
Oklahoma    Oklahoma    Iowa State  Baylor
U.C.F.      Oregon      Cincinnati  Utah
Washington  Memphis     Coast. Car. Pittsburgh
Georgia     Georgia     Notre Dame  Georgia
Notre Dame  Baylor      Texas A&M   Notre Dame
Michigan    Wisconsin   Florida     Ohio State
Florida     Florida     Georgia     Ole Miss
L.S.U.      Penn State  Oklahoma    Oklahoma St
Penn State  Utah        Indiana     Michigan St 


Using the new post-2025 conference alignments (as we know them today), yields these totals by league:

SEC: 28 (29%)
B1G: 25 (26%)
XII: 13 (14%)
ACC: 12 (13%)
Pac: 10 (10%)
N.D.: 4 (4%)
All G5s: 4 (4%)

Based on that, it kinda looks like 25% each for the SEC and B1G isn't far off, but I suspect Dodd underestimated for the P3 and overestimated for the G5.

* It's a major assumption that Cincinnati, Houston, and UCF would all win as much in the Big XII as they have been winning in the American - especially if the Big XII is going to be as strong as you say!

That assumption is very iffy. But it doesn’t matter. The ACC will get more money than the B12.

What if the B1G,SEC and networks bribed all the left behind P5 schools a guaranteed spot in the P3 league, started that leagye where B12 is scheduled to end the upcoming contract in the 40M range and agreed to give the P3 league the same % of CFP revenue as B1G & SEC get and go to 16 teams. The B1G & SEC go 20-24 choose who they want, Would that be enough to make it happen and maybe start in 2 years? everyone in the P3 makes a lot more than they are scheduled to and the networks get the matchups they want and lock in live content.

(09-08-2022 08:44 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  What if the B1G,SEC and networks bribed all the left behind P5 schools a guaranteed spot in the P3 league, started that leagye where B12 is scheduled to end the upcoming contract in the 40M range and agreed to give the P3 league the same % of CFP revenue as B1G & SEC get and go to 16 teams. The B1G & SEC go 20-24 choose who they want, Would that be enough to make it happen and maybe start in 2 years? everyone in the P3 makes a lot more than they are scheduled to and the networks get the matchups they want and lock in live content.

Which of those things changes the Grant of Rights?

(09-08-2022 09:18 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(09-08-2022 08:44 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  What if the B1G,SEC and networks bribed all the left behind P5 schools a guaranteed spot in the P3 league, started that leagye where B12 is scheduled to end the upcoming contract in the 40M range and agreed to give the P3 league the same % of CFP revenue as B1G & SEC get and go to 16 teams. The B1G & SEC go 20-24 choose who they want, Would that be enough to make it happen and maybe start in 2 years? everyone in the P3 makes a lot more than they are scheduled to and the networks get the matchups they want and lock in live content.

Which of those things changes the Grant of Rights?

If its main known there is a spot without individual schools you probanly can have a vote to dissolve the league especially if both FOX and ESPN hint at its blessing on the arrangement. The networks could signal it by a clause for a pro rata increase of any existing P5 school.

It obviously wouldnt happen without network blessing but they could lock up live sports for 10 or 12 yrs and not compete against streaming services.

Would any left behind P5 expect a better deal?

(09-09-2022 02:38 AM)Win5002 Wrote:  

(09-08-2022 09:18 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(09-08-2022 08:44 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  What if the B1G,SEC and networks bribed all the left behind P5 schools a guaranteed spot in the P3 league, started that leagye where B12 is scheduled to end the upcoming contract in the 40M range and agreed to give the P3 league the same % of CFP revenue as B1G & SEC get and go to 16 teams. The B1G & SEC go 20-24 choose who they want, Would that be enough to make it happen and maybe start in 2 years? everyone in the P3 makes a lot more than they are scheduled to and the networks get the matchups they want and lock in live content.

Which of those things changes the Grant of Rights?

If its main known there is a spot without individual schools you probanly can have a vote to dissolve the league especially if both FOX and ESPN hint at its blessing on the arrangement. The networks could signal it by a clause for a pro rata increase of any existing P5 school.

It obviously wouldnt happen without network blessing but they could lock up live sports for 10 or 12 yrs and not compete against streaming services.

Would any left behind P5 expect a better deal?

Nobody is having back room dissolution convos, they’re trying to move the 12-team playoff up earlier in time. That’s 6 auto-bids which all but guarantees the ACC yearly access. I believe the ACC has a good chance at multiple teams each year because we’ve already got a great OOC schedule vs SEC teams to boost our rankings without having to grind through the rest of the conference.

The Big Ten signing a 6/7 year deal does not warrant this kind of hysteria.

(09-09-2022 06:41 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(09-09-2022 02:38 AM)Win5002 Wrote:  

(09-08-2022 09:18 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(09-08-2022 08:44 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  What if the B1G,SEC and networks bribed all the left behind P5 schools a guaranteed spot in the P3 league, started that leagye where B12 is scheduled to end the upcoming contract in the 40M range and agreed to give the P3 league the same % of CFP revenue as B1G & SEC get and go to 16 teams. The B1G & SEC go 20-24 choose who they want, Would that be enough to make it happen and maybe start in 2 years? everyone in the P3 makes a lot more than they are scheduled to and the networks get the matchups they want and lock in live content.

Which of those things changes the Grant of Rights?

If its main known there is a spot without individual schools you probanly can have a vote to dissolve the league especially if both FOX and ESPN hint at its blessing on the arrangement. The networks could signal it by a clause for a pro rata increase of any existing P5 school.

It obviously wouldnt happen without network blessing but they could lock up live sports for 10 or 12 yrs and not compete against streaming services.

Would any left behind P5 expect a better deal?

Nobody is having back room dissolution convos, they’re trying to move the 12-team playoff up earlier in time. That’s 6 auto-bids which all but guarantees the ACC yearly access. I believe the ACC has a good chance at multiple teams each year because we’ve already got a great OOC schedule vs SEC teams to boost our rankings without having to grind through the rest of the conference.

The Big Ten signing a 6/7 year deal does not warrant this kind of hysteria.

https://twitter.com/crutchkn/status/1560261442456104961

GET YOUR HEAD OUT THE CLOUDS

(09-09-2022 07:39 AM)green Wrote:  

(09-09-2022 06:41 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(09-09-2022 02:38 AM)Win5002 Wrote:  

(09-08-2022 09:18 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(09-08-2022 08:44 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  What if the B1G,SEC and networks bribed all the left behind P5 schools a guaranteed spot in the P3 league, started that leagye where B12 is scheduled to end the upcoming contract in the 40M range and agreed to give the P3 league the same % of CFP revenue as B1G & SEC get and go to 16 teams. The B1G & SEC go 20-24 choose who they want, Would that be enough to make it happen and maybe start in 2 years? everyone in the P3 makes a lot more than they are scheduled to and the networks get the matchups they want and lock in live content.

Which of those things changes the Grant of Rights?

If its main known there is a spot without individual schools you probanly can have a vote to dissolve the league especially if both FOX and ESPN hint at its blessing on the arrangement. The networks could signal it by a clause for a pro rata increase of any existing P5 school.

It obviously wouldnt happen without network blessing but they could lock up live sports for 10 or 12 yrs and not compete against streaming services.

Would any left behind P5 expect a better deal?

Nobody is having back room dissolution convos, they’re trying to move the 12-team playoff up earlier in time. That’s 6 auto-bids which all but guarantees the ACC yearly access. I believe the ACC has a good chance at multiple teams each year because we’ve already got a great OOC schedule vs SEC teams to boost our rankings without having to grind through the rest of the conference.

The Big Ten signing a 6/7 year deal does not warrant this kind of hysteria.

https://twitter.com/crutchkn/status/1560261442456104961

GET YOUR HEAD OUT THE CLOUDS

It's literally seven years. It would take forever just to get a school out of the GOR and a LOT of money. By that time, how many years would be left in that deal, green? lol

Your head is in the clouds if you think any university president thinks it's a good idea to go into a financial hole for a deal that ends before the decade.

The conference isn't voting to dissolve. That's so above the clouds it's outer space. But most people on these boards seem to be space cadets anyway, so I understand your struggle.

(09-09-2022 08:39 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(09-09-2022 07:39 AM)green Wrote:  

(09-09-2022 06:41 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(09-09-2022 02:38 AM)Win5002 Wrote:  

(09-08-2022 09:18 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Which of those things changes the Grant of Rights?

If its main known there is a spot without individual schools you probanly can have a vote to dissolve the league especially if both FOX and ESPN hint at its blessing on the arrangement. The networks could signal it by a clause for a pro rata increase of any existing P5 school.

It obviously wouldnt happen without network blessing but they could lock up live sports for 10 or 12 yrs and not compete against streaming services.

Would any left behind P5 expect a better deal?

Nobody is having back room dissolution convos, they’re trying to move the 12-team playoff up earlier in time. That’s 6 auto-bids which all but guarantees the ACC yearly access. I believe the ACC has a good chance at multiple teams each year because we’ve already got a great OOC schedule vs SEC teams to boost our rankings without having to grind through the rest of the conference.

The Big Ten signing a 6/7 year deal does not warrant this kind of hysteria.

https://twitter.com/crutchkn/status/1560261442456104961

GET YOUR HEAD OUT THE CLOUDS

It's literally seven years. It would take forever just to get a school out of the GOR and a LOT of money. By that time, how many years would be left in that deal, green? lol

Your head is in the clouds if you think any university president thinks it's a good idea to go into a financial hole for a deal that ends before the decade.

The conference isn't voting to dissolve. That's so above the clouds it's outer space. But most people on these boards seem to be space cadets anyway, so I understand your struggle.

precisely ...
their per annum salary may double ...
possibly triple next go-round ...
well before we even sniff real money ...
doing nothing could cost us everything ...

SECOND BITE AT THE APPLE

(09-09-2022 09:24 AM)green Wrote:  precisely ...
their per annum salary may double ...
possibly triple next go-round ...
well before we even sniff real money ...
doing nothing could cost us everything ...

SECOND BITE AT THE APPLE

So yeah, no need to dig a financial buyout hole because by that time (2030) the model may have changed and there will be less time left on the GOR to make more flexible corresponding plans.

The Big Ten making more TV revenue for seven years is not the impending doom of Miami athletics. Not sure why you fell off the wagon so hard. I want the old green back.

INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS

(09-09-2022 02:38 AM)Win5002 Wrote:  

(09-08-2022 09:18 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(09-08-2022 08:44 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  What if the B1G,SEC and networks bribed all the left behind P5 schools a guaranteed spot in the P3 league, started that leagye where B12 is scheduled to end the upcoming contract in the 40M range and agreed to give the P3 league the same % of CFP revenue as B1G & SEC get and go to 16 teams. The B1G & SEC go 20-24 choose who they want, Would that be enough to make it happen and maybe start in 2 years? everyone in the P3 makes a lot more than they are scheduled to and the networks get the matchups they want and lock in live content.

Which of those things changes the Grant of Rights?

If its main known there is a spot without individual schools you probanly can have a vote to dissolve the league especially if both FOX and ESPN hint at its blessing on the arrangement. The networks could signal it by a clause for a pro rata increase of any existing P5 school.

It obviously wouldnt happen without network blessing but they could lock up live sports for 10 or 12 yrs and not compete against streaming services.

Would any left behind P5 expect a better deal?

Wouldn't that involve some laws being broken? Anti-Trust, that sort of thing?

(09-06-2022 01:28 PM)nole Wrote:  

(09-06-2022 01:24 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(09-06-2022 12:51 PM)nole Wrote:  

(09-06-2022 12:46 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  What if Miami plays 2 of those marquee P5 OOC games every season for 5 years and loses all of them, but FSU just plays 1 per year, wins them all, and goes on to play in major bowls while Miami plays in the Gasparilla or something... do you think Miami deserves twice as much money as FSU because they took twice as big a risk, or should FSU get more because they actually won more?

So you don't disagree or you are concerned about the implementation of how you determine $?


To simplify.

-Should teams be rewarded for TV ratings? Yes. 100%. That is exactly where the money comes from.

-How do you determine? I don't know off hand, but like you, I follow expansion and I realize that any game with ratings over 2 Million are a significant metric used. Games with over 5 million are near top 10 rated games for a year. Any school that can hit these marks (often at the risk of a "L") need to be rewarded. It is THE reason TV contracts go up.

I'm not absolutely against this, I just know the ACC already has a problem with overscheduling, and I'm afraid this would just exacerbate it. Not to pick on the Blue Devils, but I could see Duke giving up on football, signing 4 big name P5 OOC games every year (e.g. Alabama, Ohio State, Georgia, and Oklahoma) and collecting big checks without really helping the conference at all because they'd be saddled with 4 non-conference losses! So that's my #1 concern. Now, paying only for tv ratings in conference games might eliminate that issue... in a sense, marquee OOC games kind of pay for themselves, don't they?

If Duke doing that brings 2 million plus ratings....yes, do it. Great. It's how the bills get paid. Reward them for those ratings.

Miami can't fill a stadium but they bring ratings....reward them for it.

Why wouldn't we reward those that bring the money? This isn't complicated.

https://twitter.com/skhanjr/status/1570537720891715584

SRO (STANDING ROOM ONLY)

(09-06-2022 02:21 PM)green Wrote:  

(09-06-2022 01:28 PM)nole Wrote:  

(09-06-2022 01:24 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(09-06-2022 12:51 PM)nole Wrote:  

(09-06-2022 12:46 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  What if Miami plays 2 of those marquee P5 OOC games every season for 5 years and loses all of them, but FSU just plays 1 per year, wins them all, and goes on to play in major bowls while Miami plays in the Gasparilla or something... do you think Miami deserves twice as much money as FSU because they took twice as big a risk, or should FSU get more because they actually won more?

So you don't disagree or you are concerned about the implementation of how you determine $?


To simplify.

-Should teams be rewarded for TV ratings? Yes. 100%. That is exactly where the money comes from.

-How do you determine? I don't know off hand, but like you, I follow expansion and I realize that any game with ratings over 2 Million are a significant metric used. Games with over 5 million are near top 10 rated games for a year. Any school that can hit these marks (often at the risk of a "L") need to be rewarded. It is THE reason TV contracts go up.

I'm not absolutely against this, I just know the ACC already has a problem with overscheduling, and I'm afraid this would just exacerbate it. Not to pick on the Blue Devils, but I could see Duke giving up on football, signing 4 big name P5 OOC games every year (e.g. Alabama, Ohio State, Georgia, and Oklahoma) and collecting big checks without really helping the conference at all because they'd be saddled with 4 non-conference losses! So that's my #1 concern. Now, paying only for tv ratings in conference games might eliminate that issue... in a sense, marquee OOC games kind of pay for themselves, don't they?

If Duke doing that brings 2 million plus ratings....yes, do it. Great. It's how the bills get paid. Reward them for those ratings.

Miami can't fill a stadium but they bring ratings....reward them for it.

Why wouldn't we reward those that bring the money? This isn't complicated.

https://twitter.com/JohnHRuiz/status/156...9980782592

MAN WITH A PLAN

NIMBYs will have a gigantic field day over this.

MONEY ISN'T EVERYTHING.

If you’ve been here less than a decade, you’re clueless about how this discussion went down here BEFORE the CFP started.

Before the CFP started it was the consensus of The Big 10 and The SEC fans here that The ACC, The Big 12 and The PAC would be fighting for 1 spot.

Their forecast was so accurate they disappeared and thankfully never returned. Most likely they changed screen names and came back here to whine about something else. (You know who you are)

The reality is The SEC and The ACC got the majority of the CFP playoff spots. The Big 10 (Jim Delaney) wanted to expand the CFP because they were getting left out too many times. The Big Ten learned real quick if Ohio State or Michigan took an OOC loss, they got to stay home for the CFP.

The PAC missed 7 CFP
Notre Dame missed 6 CFP
The Big 12 missed 4 CFP (Oklahoma)
The ACC missed 1 CFP
The SEC missed now.

It should also be noted that only 2 leagues had multiple teams make the CFP: The SEC and The ACC

Now the CFP is changing again and we hear the same tired story here on The ACC board about how The SEC and The Big 10 are going to get all these teams in every year. History doesn’t support that

We also hear The Big 12 is now a better league because they were forced to add 4 teams they didn’t want until Texas and Oklahoma left. How The Big 12 could lose the only team in their conference (Oklahoma) that ever sniffed the CFP and somehow get better than The ACC, who lost no one, is anyone’s guess.

I just hope the same prognosticators who gave us such accurate predictions a decade ago are here a few years from now so ACC fans can laugh at them…again

(09-15-2022 11:35 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  NIMBYs will have a gigantic field day over this.

MONEY ISN'T EVERYTHING.

https://twitter.com/univmiami/status/156...5963015171

put to a vote ...
off-year election ...
fans + alumni + students + faculty + employees (Miami-Dade county’s largest private employer)
yeah, I like our chances ...

RESERVOIR OF GOODWILL

(09-16-2022 06:33 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  If you’ve been here less than a decade, you’re clueless about how this discussion went down here BEFORE the CFP started.

Before the CFP started it was the consensus of The Big 10 and The SEC fans here that The ACC, The Big 12 and The PAC would be fighting for 1 spot.

Their forecast was so accurate they disappeared and thankfully never returned. Most likely they changed screen names and came back here to whine about something else. (You know who you are)

The reality is The SEC and The ACC got the majority of the CFP playoff spots. The Big 10 (Jim Delaney) wanted to expand the CFP because they were getting left out too many times. The Big Ten learned real quick if Ohio State or Michigan took an OOC loss, they got to stay home for the CFP.

The PAC missed 7 CFP
Notre Dame missed 6 CFP
The Big 12 missed 4 CFP (Oklahoma)
The ACC missed 1 CFP
The SEC missed now.

It should also be noted that only 2 leagues had multiple teams make the CFP: The SEC and The ACC

Now the CFP is changing again and we hear the same tired story here on The ACC board about how The SEC and The Big 10 are going to get all these teams in every year. History doesn’t support that

We also hear The Big 12 is now a better league because they were forced to add 4 teams they didn’t want until Texas and Oklahoma left. How The Big 12 could lose the only team in their conference (Oklahoma) that ever sniffed the CFP and somehow get better than The ACC, who lost no one, is anyone’s guess.

I just hope the same prognosticators who gave us such accurate predictions a decade ago are here a few years from now so ACC fans can laugh at them…again

FACTS.

I know it doesn't fit the popular narrative, but... facts