I think you're getting the conversation mixed up. No has said the UTSA wasn't a good team, people were countering your claim that this game wasn't that important to the UTSA team and coaches.

UTSA is a very good team. As long as the athletic department is run by competent leadership I think the sky is the limit for UTSA's future.

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(09-06-2022 09:34 AM)uhmump95 Wrote:  I think you're getting the conversation mixed up. No has said the UTSA wasn't a good team, people were countering your claim that this game wasn't that important to the UTSA team and coaches.

UTSA is a very good team. As long as the athletic department is run by competent leadership I think the sky is the limit for UTSA's future.

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Coogaholic is discrediting our win in Houston and dismissing how closely we played you guys on Saturday as well, citing that it was our best day and your worst, and that we still found a way to lose. My issue is with how he is characterizing the game and our program. If you read his remarks, you'll see that I'm not getting any conversation mixed up, and am actually addressing every one of his points.

I won't deny that this game was important to our team. Heck, I'd argue it was just as important to yours because everyone wants to win that first game. My initial reason for coming here, as you'll see in my very first comment before Coogaholic addressed me, was simply to address the assertion that this was viewed by us as being the bar for our season, as if UH was our Super Bowl or something. Was it a good first test for us? Definitely, and I think that despite the loss, we passed that test. But a bar for the whole season? That's taking it a little far. It's one game, and it's the first game. I could definitely be wrong, but I'm just giving my opinion, and trying to do so in as civil a manner as I can.

Thank you for your kind words about our program btw, but I unfortunately think we'll always have a glass ceiling over our heads with UT, just an hour down the road, being our mothership. I think that for you guys, the sky is truly the limit though.

It was a good fun game between two solid Texas schools. Ain't easy win on the road, especially in week 1. Just glad we got with the W.

(09-06-2022 09:56 AM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(09-06-2022 09:34 AM)uhmump95 Wrote:  I think you're getting the conversation mixed up. No has said the UTSA wasn't a good team, people were countering your claim that this game wasn't that important to the UTSA team and coaches.

UTSA is a very good team. As long as the athletic department is run by competent leadership I think the sky is the limit for UTSA's future.

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Coogaholic is discrediting our win in Houston and dismissing how closely we played you guys on Saturday as well, citing that it was our best day and your worst, and that we still found a way to lose. My issue is with how he is characterizing the game and our program. If you read his remarks, you'll see that I'm not getting any conversation mixed up, and am actually addressing every one of his points.

I won't deny that this game was important to our team. Heck, I'd argue it was just as important to yours because everyone wants to win that first game. My initial reason for coming here, as you'll see in my very first comment before Coogaholic addressed me, was simply to address the assertion that this was viewed by us as being the bar for our season, as if UH was our Super Bowl or something. Was it a good first test for us? Definitely, and I think that despite the loss, we passed that test. But a bar for the whole season? That's taking it a little far. It's one game, and it's the first game. I could definitely be wrong, but I'm just giving my opinion, and trying to do so in as civil a manner as I can.

Thank you for your kind words about our program btw, but I unfortunately think we'll always have a glass ceiling over our heads with UT, just an hour down the road, being our mothership. I think that for you guys, the sky is truly the limit though.

You're missing my point and also proved my point. Yall beat us when the expectations were low and you literally brought it up like it was significant W yet you're understating the L yall took to a top 25 program in Texas. Yall still speak about that game LOL. That was NINE years ago. It was significant to YOUR program. To us its another embarrassing loss that we can add to a list of embarrassing losses. It means little to UH. Also that dub we got this weekend was great and all from a Texas bragging perspective but we actually dropped in the AP rankings. It means less to us than yall

Let me also add that I like reading your perspective as a UTSA fan and you are mostly fair.

(09-06-2022 08:28 AM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(09-05-2022 11:25 PM)Coogaholic Wrote:  

(09-05-2022 05:13 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(09-05-2022 03:00 PM)Coogaholic Wrote:  

(09-05-2022 01:37 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  Anyone who loses a home opener in the way this one was lost (3OT) will have the same demeanor. Add in the fact that one of our team leaders (RT Makai Hart) who was injured in the 2nd quarter will be out for an extended time, and I'm sure it dampened his feelings even more.

We lost two starting offensive linemen in our first game at Illinois last year and had to play musical chairs with our O-line the rest of the year. We didn't want a repeat of that to start this season also, especially with games at Army and Texas the next couple weeks.

LOL come on man That would have been the biggest win for your program thus far. Watch his post game interview as well. You can hear it in his voice

Well, we've beaten you before, and in Houston. I can still see how that argument can be made though, but only because you guys went into the game ranked and we have yet to beat a ranked program. Still, it was a preseason ranking, which isn't quite the same as being ranked two or three weeks in.

I think he also really felt we should've won that game though, and let it get away. He mentioned how big the penalty was that we got for having 12 men on the field. Some feel that was a turning point in the game. We were up 21-7 with a couple minutes left in the 3rd, you guys had a 4th down and short on your 30-something yard line and went for it. We stuffed y'all and it looked as though we were about to take over, already in FG range, and potentially go into the 4th with a 24-7 or 28-7 lead. Turned out our return man was still deep down the field, expecting a punt, and he got off the field too late. I've been a season ticket holder since year one for our program, and that's the first time we've ever done that.

We still had other chances to win it though, and chances to keep y'all from winning it, and couldn't get it done, so you guys earned it regardless.

Yall beat us in the Tony Levine era nine years ago when there was no expectations for our program nationally and still that win meant everything for your fanbase. Come on man. Shoulda Coulda Woulda. We played our worst 4 quarters and still found a way to win. Yall played your best and still found a way to lose in your stadium and on the day yall raised your CUSA championship banner. That game was everything for yall.

1) Beat you in the Tony Levine era when there were no expectations for your program nationally? That's a "shoulda coulda woulda" right there. It's not as though we had any expectations either. Nice excuse, with the history UH has, for losing at home to a team in the 4th year of our football program, on the day you christened your new stadium. No credit given to us there by you.

We took the L. No one here is denying that. It's also over nine years ago and yall treat it like it was a conference championship game.


2) You played the worst 4 quarters and we played the best 4 quarters and you still won? Seriously? First of all, NO ONE plays their best 4 quarters in the first game of the season. It's sad that I even have to explain that to you. And once again, you don't wanna give us any credit. Wouldn't surprise me if you're one of those fans who thought it was gonna be a fairly easy win.

I actually said on here this was going to be a trap game. The spread was also -4 so no i didn't think that

3) Let's not talk about finding ways to lose when "Coogin' it" is a motto associated with your school, not ours.

"Coogin' it" is because we have been in some epic battles and have lost spectacularly as well as won spectacularly. It's a Houston thing. You can even apply this to the Rockets Astros and Oilers. Overall we are a winning program compared to UTSA and other G5 schools. It's not even close http://www.winsipedia.com/utsa/vs/houston. Despite all this, not sure what it has to do with the game this weekend lol

4) And I wasn't making excuses for the loss with my remarks. You're the one who brought up Coach Traylor's press conference remarks, and I was trying to explain to you what I believe Coach Traylor was thinking. I've listened to the man speak every week for over 2 years now, and was giving you my take based on what I've gathered about him and his personality during that time.
i disagree with this assertion. He explicitly brought up the moment and the opponent and even put the loss on him. He was devastated and even brought up how your team was devastated. He is expressing how big the game was. neither of us can read minds.

In fact, far from making excuses, the first thing I did on the AAC board was to say the better team won. You can go back and check it. I said the same thing on our own page (rowdytalk.com). You can check that also. I also said on our website that I felt the turning point was when your defense batted the ball in the air and intercepted it, setting you up for that tying touchdown, not the 12-man penalty. That's another one you can check me on. Unlike you apparently, I make it a point to do my best to be objective and thoughtful in my remarks on fan pages, and give credit where credit is due.

5) The better team did win, but UH is only better by the slightest of margins right now, and you're in error if you think otherwise. We have a rematch next year in Houston, your first game as a P5. You may win that one also, but that's gonna be every bit as tough a game for you guys as this one was, and not because we happened to catch you on your worst day when we were on our best, but because we're actually a good football team.

disagree on the slightest of margins. Stat wise our studs didn't play up to par but stepped up when it counted (Tank and Tune). Our young WRs were dropping crucial passes, Tank Dell didn't get enough touches and our OL was atrocious. Our defense was also not playing up to par as well. Also plenty of drive busting penalties but that is expected week 1 on the road. Think for the most part you team played their best game overall. End of day the talent discrepancy took over from a 21-7 deficit and the gamers (Tank and Tune) put their stamp on the win. Yall needed a miracle to even make it to OT. THe rest of the schedule is going to dictate how good we really are, not one game

(09-06-2022 07:53 PM)Coogaholic Wrote:  

(09-06-2022 08:28 AM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(09-05-2022 11:25 PM)Coogaholic Wrote:  

(09-05-2022 05:13 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(09-05-2022 03:00 PM)Coogaholic Wrote:  LOL come on man That would have been the biggest win for your program thus far. Watch his post game interview as well. You can hear it in his voice

Well, we've beaten you before, and in Houston. I can still see how that argument can be made though, but only because you guys went into the game ranked and we have yet to beat a ranked program. Still, it was a preseason ranking, which isn't quite the same as being ranked two or three weeks in.

I think he also really felt we should've won that game though, and let it get away. He mentioned how big the penalty was that we got for having 12 men on the field. Some feel that was a turning point in the game. We were up 21-7 with a couple minutes left in the 3rd, you guys had a 4th down and short on your 30-something yard line and went for it. We stuffed y'all and it looked as though we were about to take over, already in FG range, and potentially go into the 4th with a 24-7 or 28-7 lead. Turned out our return man was still deep down the field, expecting a punt, and he got off the field too late. I've been a season ticket holder since year one for our program, and that's the first time we've ever done that.

We still had other chances to win it though, and chances to keep y'all from winning it, and couldn't get it done, so you guys earned it regardless.

Yall beat us in the Tony Levine era nine years ago when there was no expectations for our program nationally and still that win meant everything for your fanbase. Come on man. Shoulda Coulda Woulda. We played our worst 4 quarters and still found a way to win. Yall played your best and still found a way to lose in your stadium and on the day yall raised your CUSA championship banner. That game was everything for yall.

1) Beat you in the Tony Levine era when there were no expectations for your program nationally? That's a "shoulda coulda woulda" right there. It's not as though we had any expectations either. Nice excuse, with the history UH has, for losing at home to a team in the 4th year of our football program, on the day you christened your new stadium. No credit given to us there by you.

We took the L. No one here is denying that. It's also over nine years ago and yall treat it like it was a conference championship game.


2) You played the worst 4 quarters and we played the best 4 quarters and you still won? Seriously? First of all, NO ONE plays their best 4 quarters in the first game of the season. It's sad that I even have to explain that to you. And once again, you don't wanna give us any credit. Wouldn't surprise me if you're one of those fans who thought it was gonna be a fairly easy win.

I actually said on here this was going to be a trap game. The spread was also -4 so no i didn't think that

3) Let's not talk about finding ways to lose when "Coogin' it" is a motto associated with your school, not ours.

"Coogin' it" is because we have been in some epic battles and have lost spectacularly as well as won spectacularly. It's a Houston thing. You can even apply this to the Rockets Astros and Oilers. Overall we are a winning program compared to UTSA and other G5 schools. It's not even close http://www.winsipedia.com/utsa/vs/houston. Despite all this, not sure what it has to do with the game this weekend lol

4) And I wasn't making excuses for the loss with my remarks. You're the one who brought up Coach Traylor's press conference remarks, and I was trying to explain to you what I believe Coach Traylor was thinking. I've listened to the man speak every week for over 2 years now, and was giving you my take based on what I've gathered about him and his personality during that time.
i disagree with this assertion. He explicitly brought up the moment and the opponent and even put the loss on him. He was devastated and even brought up how your team was devastated. He is expressing how big the game was. neither of us can read minds.

In fact, far from making excuses, the first thing I did on the AAC board was to say the better team won. You can go back and check it. I said the same thing on our own page (rowdytalk.com). You can check that also. I also said on our website that I felt the turning point was when your defense batted the ball in the air and intercepted it, setting you up for that tying touchdown, not the 12-man penalty. That's another one you can check me on. Unlike you apparently, I make it a point to do my best to be objective and thoughtful in my remarks on fan pages, and give credit where credit is due.

5) The better team did win, but UH is only better by the slightest of margins right now, and you're in error if you think otherwise. We have a rematch next year in Houston, your first game as a P5. You may win that one also, but that's gonna be every bit as tough a game for you guys as this one was, and not because we happened to catch you on your worst day when we were on our best, but because we're actually a good football team.

disagree on the slightest of margins. Stat wise our studs didn't play up to par but stepped up when it counted (Tank and Tune). Our young WRs were dropping crucial passes, Tank Dell didn't get enough touches and our OL was atrocious. Our defense was also not playing up to par as well. Also plenty of drive busting penalties but that is expected week 1 on the road. Think for the most part you team played their best game overall. End of day the talent discrepancy took over from a 21-7 deficit and the gamers (Tank and Tune) put their stamp on the win. Yall needed a miracle to even make it to OT. THe rest of the schedule is going to dictate how good we really are, not one game

Our receivers uncharacteristically dropped several passes as well. As far as your offensive line not playing well, ours didn't either, but I think that both of our D-lines played a large part in that. Coach Traylor also said we lacked the physicality we usually play with, and that we had to waste timeouts to fix communication issues we usually don't have. He took blame for everything though because that's just how he is. But no, we definitely didn't play our best game either.

Regarding your penalties, a good chunk of those were procedure penalties, and trust me when I say that when the Alamodome is rocking, our crowd does that to everyone. Teams always practice for the noise (we hear it all the time with every opponent we face), but the procedure penalties turn up every Saturday regardless.

As far as the miracle to tie the game is concerned, we should've had more time than 23 seconds anyway because we were robbed of some time on that controversial play on your last possession in regulation. If you wanna talk miracles, it's a miracle our QB didn't even see our wide-open TE in the end zone on our failed 2-point attempt, and instead tried to get it to the one receiver who was covered deep in the corner.

I'm correct on the slightest of margins difference. I live in the Houston area and keep up the Cougars to an extent every year because my wife graduated from UH, and I have several friends and former colleagues who are UH alumni also. I can tell from the way you talk about UTSA though that you don't keep up with us at all. Even if you look at our common opponents in the last couple years, there isn't much of a difference...

2020
Houston lost at home to BYU 43-26
UTSA lost to BYU on the road 27-20

2021
Houston beat Rice 44-7
UTSA beat Rice 45-0

Houston beat Memphis at home 31-13
UTSA beat Memphis in Memphis 31-28

In aggregate, Houston outscored those three opponents 101-63 (+38), and UTSA outscored them 96-55 (+41). Virtually identical.

Three games isn't a large sample size, but the 37-35 triple-OT result from Saturday is consistent with that pattern. You don't know much about our team and expected a wider margin of victory for UH, and I expected the game to come down to a late 4th quarter possession. So who was wrong, and who was right?

You can make excuses until your hair falls out for why the game was closer than you thought it should be, but the result fits the pattern and went as I expected, and it'll be a real tight game next year as well.

(09-06-2022 10:50 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(09-06-2022 07:53 PM)Coogaholic Wrote:  

(09-06-2022 08:28 AM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(09-05-2022 11:25 PM)Coogaholic Wrote:  

(09-05-2022 05:13 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  Well, we've beaten you before, and in Houston. I can still see how that argument can be made though, but only because you guys went into the game ranked and we have yet to beat a ranked program. Still, it was a preseason ranking, which isn't quite the same as being ranked two or three weeks in.

I think he also really felt we should've won that game though, and let it get away. He mentioned how big the penalty was that we got for having 12 men on the field. Some feel that was a turning point in the game. We were up 21-7 with a couple minutes left in the 3rd, you guys had a 4th down and short on your 30-something yard line and went for it. We stuffed y'all and it looked as though we were about to take over, already in FG range, and potentially go into the 4th with a 24-7 or 28-7 lead. Turned out our return man was still deep down the field, expecting a punt, and he got off the field too late. I've been a season ticket holder since year one for our program, and that's the first time we've ever done that.

We still had other chances to win it though, and chances to keep y'all from winning it, and couldn't get it done, so you guys earned it regardless.

Yall beat us in the Tony Levine era nine years ago when there was no expectations for our program nationally and still that win meant everything for your fanbase. Come on man. Shoulda Coulda Woulda. We played our worst 4 quarters and still found a way to win. Yall played your best and still found a way to lose in your stadium and on the day yall raised your CUSA championship banner. That game was everything for yall.

1) Beat you in the Tony Levine era when there were no expectations for your program nationally? That's a "shoulda coulda woulda" right there. It's not as though we had any expectations either. Nice excuse, with the history UH has, for losing at home to a team in the 4th year of our football program, on the day you christened your new stadium. No credit given to us there by you.

We took the L. No one here is denying that. It's also over nine years ago and yall treat it like it was a conference championship game.


2) You played the worst 4 quarters and we played the best 4 quarters and you still won? Seriously? First of all, NO ONE plays their best 4 quarters in the first game of the season. It's sad that I even have to explain that to you. And once again, you don't wanna give us any credit. Wouldn't surprise me if you're one of those fans who thought it was gonna be a fairly easy win.

I actually said on here this was going to be a trap game. The spread was also -4 so no i didn't think that

3) Let's not talk about finding ways to lose when "Coogin' it" is a motto associated with your school, not ours.

"Coogin' it" is because we have been in some epic battles and have lost spectacularly as well as won spectacularly. It's a Houston thing. You can even apply this to the Rockets Astros and Oilers. Overall we are a winning program compared to UTSA and other G5 schools. It's not even close http://www.winsipedia.com/utsa/vs/houston. Despite all this, not sure what it has to do with the game this weekend lol

4) And I wasn't making excuses for the loss with my remarks. You're the one who brought up Coach Traylor's press conference remarks, and I was trying to explain to you what I believe Coach Traylor was thinking. I've listened to the man speak every week for over 2 years now, and was giving you my take based on what I've gathered about him and his personality during that time.
i disagree with this assertion. He explicitly brought up the moment and the opponent and even put the loss on him. He was devastated and even brought up how your team was devastated. He is expressing how big the game was. neither of us can read minds.

In fact, far from making excuses, the first thing I did on the AAC board was to say the better team won. You can go back and check it. I said the same thing on our own page (rowdytalk.com). You can check that also. I also said on our website that I felt the turning point was when your defense batted the ball in the air and intercepted it, setting you up for that tying touchdown, not the 12-man penalty. That's another one you can check me on. Unlike you apparently, I make it a point to do my best to be objective and thoughtful in my remarks on fan pages, and give credit where credit is due.

5) The better team did win, but UH is only better by the slightest of margins right now, and you're in error if you think otherwise. We have a rematch next year in Houston, your first game as a P5. You may win that one also, but that's gonna be every bit as tough a game for you guys as this one was, and not because we happened to catch you on your worst day when we were on our best, but because we're actually a good football team.

disagree on the slightest of margins. Stat wise our studs didn't play up to par but stepped up when it counted (Tank and Tune). Our young WRs were dropping crucial passes, Tank Dell didn't get enough touches and our OL was atrocious. Our defense was also not playing up to par as well. Also plenty of drive busting penalties but that is expected week 1 on the road. Think for the most part you team played their best game overall. End of day the talent discrepancy took over from a 21-7 deficit and the gamers (Tank and Tune) put their stamp on the win. Yall needed a miracle to even make it to OT. THe rest of the schedule is going to dictate how good we really are, not one game

Our receivers uncharacteristically dropped several passes as well. As far as your offensive line not playing well, ours didn't either, but I think that both of our D-lines played a large part in that. Coach Traylor also said we lacked the physicality we usually play with, and that we had to waste timeouts to fix communication issues we usually don't have. He took blame for everything though because that's just how he is. But no, we definitely didn't play our best game either.

Regarding your penalties, a good chunk of those were procedure penalties, and trust me when I say that when the Alamodome is rocking, our crowd does that to everyone. Teams always practice for the noise (we hear it all the time with every opponent we face), but the procedure penalties turn up every Saturday regardless.

As far as the miracle to tie the game is concerned, we should've had more time than 23 seconds anyway because we were robbed of some time on that controversial play on your last possession in regulation. If you wanna talk miracles, it's a miracle our QB didn't even see our wide-open TE in the end zone on our failed 2-point attempt, and instead tried to get it to the one receiver who was covered deep in the corner.

I'm correct on the slightest of margins difference. I live in the Houston area and keep up the Cougars to an extent every year because my wife graduated from UH, and I have several friends and former colleagues who are UH alumni also. I can tell from the way you talk about UTSA though that you don't keep up with us at all. Even if you look at our common opponents in the last couple years, there isn't much of a difference...

2020
Houston lost at home to BYU 43-26
UTSA lost to BYU on the road 27-20

2021
Houston beat Rice 44-7
UTSA beat Rice 45-0

Houston beat Memphis at home 31-13
UTSA beat Memphis in Memphis 31-28

In aggregate, Houston outscored those three opponents 101-63 (+38), and UTSA outscored them 96-55 (+41). Virtually identical.

Three games isn't a large sample size, but the 37-35 triple-OT result from Saturday is consistent with that pattern. You don't know much about our team and expected a wider margin of victory for UH, and I expected the game to come down to a late 4th quarter possession. So who was wrong, and who was right?

You can make excuses until your hair falls out for why the game was closer than you thought it should be, but the result fits the pattern and went as I expected, and it'll be a real tight game next year as well.

LOL The transitive property doesn't work in sports. I think you're making the mistake of trying to measure yourself against a program like ours because UTSA aspires to be us. On the other side we don't try to measure up to UTSA. It's just one game. it doesn't mean anything. "Any given Sunday" applies in college FB too. In 2016 week 1, UH didn't just lose by 2 to #5 Oklahoma, they BTHO Oklahoma. Does that mean 2016 UH is equal to or better than 2016 Oklahoma? NO. That would be ridiculous to make that claim. We played our best against them and they didn't. They went on to go 9-0 in the Big 12, won the conference and were in the 4 team playoffs.

lol your dome rocking is nothing we haven't seen before. If you want to puff your chest about it like that makes yall special, great. Even with that crowd noise, our D and O playing subpar, and facing a 21-7 deficit we took the Dub. That says a lot about our Team. Not yours. You're trying to look for moral victories here and that's fine I guess. End of day, my measurement on this team is how they finish their schedule. I don't measure them against UTSA. I already know they are better. lol