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RE: Is It Too Early To Start The Fire Candle Thread…
Coaches get paid a lot of money for a number of reasons - many the same reasons as a CEO at a company. First, it is hard to make it to the top spot. A lot of competition and you have to have some solid background to be considered with success at some aspect of the job requirements that is hard to overlook. You also have to interview well and be able to please the interviewees and answer the questions without stepping on their toes.

A couple of interesting observations from one particular game last night. The head coach at Texas is Steve Sarkisian. A guy who is now making +$6M at a historically big time program. He got canned several years ago at USC - for being drunk numerous times in public appearances and at practices. And one of his "special assistants" is Gary Patterson - the guy that turned TCU into national prominence and was their only coach this century, until he was fired last year when they were 3-5. Same guy that has a statue of him outside the stadium they play in. TCU is still on their path to the playoffs after beating Texas in Austin 17-10. And coaching TCU is a guy named Sonny Dykes. Texas wanted Sarkisian over Dykes after firing Tom Herman who had huge success at Houston (22-4) but "failed" at Texas (32-18) and was fired. OTOH, Sonny Dykes was 22-15 at LaTech, 19-30 at California, and 30-18 at SMU (career head coaching record of 71-63) and was hired to replace Patterson (181-79) at TCU (but only 21-22 in his last 4 1/2 seasons). Dykes has TCU at 10-0 this season and in position to land a playoff spot. How in the world did they think Dykes was going to be the guy to accomplish what the have so far this year??

The moral of the story - I don't know.... Maybe that coaches are rarely successful all the time. You just hope to get them when they can get the right players and assistant coaches around them. Which is also part of their job requirement.

I'd rather see Candle improve in some areas so we don't have to take chances on going outside. I wonder if Blair will have a good talk with him about expectations, share criticism, and get agreement on how to improve.
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Weekly bump… I can’t stand Candle. He needs to go!!!
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(11-15-2022 07:35 PM)RangerRocket Wrote:  Weekly bump… I can’t stand Candle. He needs to go!!!


He can ride the bus back with the bg team tonight.
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Our O is so predictable and when it isn’t predictable it’s because no one would ever expect such an inappropriately stupid play call such as throw deep on 2nd and 4 from your own 12
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(11-13-2022 10:47 AM)MotoRocket Wrote:  Coaches get paid a lot of money for a number of reasons - many the same reasons as a CEO at a company. First, it is hard to make it to the top spot. A lot of competition and you have to have some solid background to be considered with success at some aspect of the job requirements that is hard to overlook. You also have to interview well and be able to please the interviewees and answer the questions without stepping on their toes.

A couple of interesting observations from one particular game last night. The head coach at Texas is Steve Sarkisian. A guy who is now making +$6M at a historically big time program. He got canned several years ago at USC - for being drunk numerous times in public appearances and at practices. And one of his "special assistants" is Gary Patterson - the guy that turned TCU into national prominence and was their only coach this century, until he was fired last year when they were 3-5. Same guy that has a statue of him outside the stadium they play in. TCU is still on their path to the playoffs after beating Texas in Austin 17-10. And coaching TCU is a guy named Sonny Dykes. Texas wanted Sarkisian over Dykes after firing Tom Herman who had huge success at Houston (22-4) but "failed" at Texas (32-18) and was fired. OTOH, Sonny Dykes was 22-15 at LaTech, 19-30 at California, and 30-18 at SMU (career head coaching record of 71-63) and was hired to replace Patterson (181-79) at TCU (but only 21-22 in his last 4 1/2 seasons). Dykes has TCU at 10-0 this season and in position to land a playoff spot. How in the world did they think Dykes was going to be the guy to accomplish what the have so far this year??

The moral of the story - I don't know.... Maybe that coaches are rarely successful all the time. You just hope to get them when they can get the right players and assistant coaches around them. Which is also part of their job requirement.

I'd rather see Candle improve in some areas so we don't have to take chances on going outside. I wonder if Blair will have a good talk with him about expectations, share criticism, and get agreement on how to improve.

I say spend the money we got from our beating down in Columbus on the buyout & send Candle on his way. He backed into Detroit because the rest of the West Division (in fact, most of the MAC) is populated by zombies taking their last breathes. NOTHING has changed in a positive direction under Candle in the last 3-4 seasons. That’s plenty enough time. He’s shown us what he is: incapable of winning in big moments. Next!
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(11-15-2022 11:54 PM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  
(11-13-2022 10:47 AM)MotoRocket Wrote:  Coaches get paid a lot of money for a number of reasons - many the same reasons as a CEO at a company. First, it is hard to make it to the top spot. A lot of competition and you have to have some solid background to be considered with success at some aspect of the job requirements that is hard to overlook. You also have to interview well and be able to please the interviewees and answer the questions without stepping on their toes.

A couple of interesting observations from one particular game last night. The head coach at Texas is Steve Sarkisian. A guy who is now making +$6M at a historically big time program. He got canned several years ago at USC - for being drunk numerous times in public appearances and at practices. And one of his "special assistants" is Gary Patterson - the guy that turned TCU into national prominence and was their only coach this century, until he was fired last year when they were 3-5. Same guy that has a statue of him outside the stadium they play in. TCU is still on their path to the playoffs after beating Texas in Austin 17-10. And coaching TCU is a guy named Sonny Dykes. Texas wanted Sarkisian over Dykes after firing Tom Herman who had huge success at Houston (22-4) but "failed" at Texas (32-18) and was fired. OTOH, Sonny Dykes was 22-15 at LaTech, 19-30 at California, and 30-18 at SMU (career head coaching record of 71-63) and was hired to replace Patterson (181-79) at TCU (but only 21-22 in his last 4 1/2 seasons). Dykes has TCU at 10-0 this season and in position to land a playoff spot. How in the world did they think Dykes was going to be the guy to accomplish what the have so far this year??

The moral of the story - I don't know.... Maybe that coaches are rarely successful all the time. You just hope to get them when they can get the right players and assistant coaches around them. Which is also part of their job requirement.

I'd rather see Candle improve in some areas so we don't have to take chances on going outside. I wonder if Blair will have a good talk with him about expectations, share criticism, and get agreement on how to improve.

I say spend the money we got from our beating down in Columbus on the buyout & send Candle on his way. He backed into Detroit because the rest of the West Division (in fact, most of the MAC) is populated by zombies taking their last breathes. NOTHING has changed in a positive direction under Candle in the last 3-4 seasons. That’s plenty enough time. He’s shown us what he is: incapable of winning in big moments. Next!

Unfortunately that OSU money has been spent propping up the athletic department.
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Might as well queue this thread up once again. A weekly tradition…
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Candle should just resign & save everyone the trouble. Campbell can create a job for him at Iowa State.
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(11-25-2022 02:24 PM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  Candle should just resign & save everyone the trouble. Campbell can create a job for him at Iowa State.

Campbell could do UT and us all a big favor a just hire him away this offf season!
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(11-25-2022 02:28 PM)BDV27 Wrote:  
(11-25-2022 02:24 PM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  Candle should just resign & save everyone the trouble. Campbell can create a job for him at Iowa State.

Campbell could do UT and us all a big favor a just hire him away this offf season!

Well, the Iowa State fans hate Manning as their OC so this could be plausible. Probably not sadly.
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(11-25-2022 02:30 PM)RangerRocket Wrote:  
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(11-25-2022 02:24 PM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  Candle should just resign & save everyone the trouble. Campbell can create a job for him at Iowa State.

Campbell could do UT and us all a big favor a just hire him away this offf season!

Well, the Iowa State fans hate Manning as their OC so this could be plausible. Probably not sadly.

Maybe we could arrange a prisoner exchange?
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There was a time when I went to every Toledo football game, home and away. Now I can’t even bring myself to drive the 5 miles to the Glass Bowl. No season tickets for us next year if Candle is still here.
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Is there a mercy rule? If so I’d opt for that at this point.
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At this point I don’t know how anyone can justify keeping Candle. We could have a team of 100 Rhodes scholars/altar boys and you just can’t defend the guy. What a s**t show.
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(11-25-2022 03:50 PM)RangerRocket Wrote:  At this point I don’t know how anyone can justify keeping Candle. We could have a team of 100 Rhodes scholars/altar boys and you just can’t defend the guy. What a s**t show.

I agree. Whenever that gets brought up by Candle supporters (“our kids have good GPAs! None of them have been arrested! They help old ladies cross the street!”), I think: who says it has to be one or the other? It’s a false choice. There are plenty of college teams that win as many or more games than us, who have decent students & good citizens on their team. C’mon.
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(11-25-2022 02:32 PM)RangerRocket Wrote:  There was a time when I went to every Toledo football game, home and away. Now I can’t even bring myself to drive the 5 miles to the Glass Bowl. No season tickets for us next year if Candle is still here.


I think that is a testimony for a lot of people that are Rocket fans. I am with you. I need to renew my small Rocket fund donation but this decision by our AD is critical. We have two choices. Extend one year with a caveat he must relinquish OC and a new OL or give him the buy out

Or maybe when BB drove in and talked to Campbell on his way to Toledo, he laid the ground work for Candle to have a quiet exit to be OC at Iowa St.


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The days of the rolling three year contract are long gone. Always thought that was the fair way to go. Good year add a year. Problems don’t. Problems two years in a row bye bye

Coaching this year with one year left was Candles choice, as he had a good opportunity in front of him. The fact that he refuses to give up the play calling and just be a head coach is his down fall

The most I would offer Candle at this point if I was BB would be a one year extension contingent to an offensive coordinator being hired. He likely would not accept and they could have a mutually part ways memo

Week from Monday a decision one way or another needs to be made


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(11-25-2022 02:32 PM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  
(11-25-2022 02:30 PM)RangerRocket Wrote:  
(11-25-2022 02:28 PM)BDV27 Wrote:  
(11-25-2022 02:24 PM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  Candle should just resign & save everyone the trouble. Campbell can create a job for him at Iowa State.

Campbell could do UT and us all a big favor a just hire him away this offf season!

Well, the Iowa State fans hate Manning as their OC so this could be plausible. Probably not sadly.

Maybe we could arrange a prisoner exchange?

Iowa State is 4-7 (1-7 Big 12), but they may not realize what really bad is.
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(11-25-2022 02:32 PM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  
(11-25-2022 02:30 PM)RangerRocket Wrote:  
(11-25-2022 02:28 PM)BDV27 Wrote:  
(11-25-2022 02:24 PM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  Candle should just resign & save everyone the trouble. Campbell can create a job for him at Iowa State.

Campbell could do UT and us all a big favor a just hire him away this offf season!

Well, the Iowa State fans hate Manning as their OC so this could be plausible. Probably not sadly.

Maybe we could arrange a prisoner exchange?

Iowa State is 4-7 (1-7 Big 12), but they may not realize what really bad is.

Maybe the Cyclones can win that last game, be an extra “bowl eligible” 5-win team, and play our then 7-6 Rockets in a bowl game! Now THAT would be fun!!!! “The Master vs The Student” 03-lmfao
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