(09-24-2022 09:59 AM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(09-24-2022 04:26 AM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  Does the QB whisperer have TC ready to play big time competition on the road? Today is the litmus test to see if he can eliminate turnovers against a good opponent. Weeks one and two were turnover free against bad defenses in a calm & comfy home environment.

Will he be as poised today in a mountain madhouse?

Might be his first road game in the SBC but he’s played on the road against decent teams in the past. Last season he played ok leading a very overmatched CSU to play in front of 65000 Iowa fans, they’re big time and have rabid fans. Also played against decent programs while at Temple..

Exactly. Sometimes Hart just throws stuff out there to stir the pot. His last post is a perfect example. TC will be ready, as will the OL.

(09-24-2022 04:26 AM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  Does the QB whisperer have TC ready to play big time competition on the road? Today is the litmus test to see if he can eliminate turnovers against a good opponent. Weeks one and two were turnover free against bad defenses in a calm & comfy home environment.

Will he be as poised today in a mountain madhouse?

Hopefully he relies on his running to get easy chunk plays coming out of designed passes that turn into tuck & run. App State nor most defenses have an answer for a QB that is willing and able to run out of the pocket. It is a DC’s nightmare and I’m guessing they will put a spy on him to try to force throws when he scrambles or when he has RPO option.

Prop bet for 15 rushes and 75 yards

15 rushes for 75 yards sounds about right, I believe. Nothing freezes, neutralizes, and demoralizes a defense more than a running quarterback with the size and skills of a running back (Todd, 6'/221, is about the same size as Latrele Palmer, 6'/217) who can take it to the house on any given play. I love RPO and the quarterback draw is one of my favorite plays. I hope we see a reverse to Thornton today.

Go, Dawgs!

Prop bet winners to those that took over on the 15 Carries and over on the 75 rushing yards for TC. The official stats deducted 40 yards for him kneeling and killing the clock at the end of the game, but he had over 100 legit rushing yards.

He could have had a lot more too. He was hesitant in the first half to tuck & run when plays were there multiple times. If Cig gets him coached up on decision-making and willing to take the run whenever it is available, then the offense will be unstoppable against the remaining opponents - none of which have strong defenses.

No picks from TC today and he got away with a couple of Ill-advised passes. He did have the sack/fumble but I don’t blame him for that blind-side hit.

We saw the warts in his passing game today which is okay by me because JMU won’t need to pass 30 to 40 times per game to beat its future opponents. A 12 yard run has the same effectiveness as a 12 yard pass. Perhaps even more effective when you consider there is much less chance for negative yardage or a turnover.

BTW, that was his career high in rushing attempts today. Cig isn’t afraid to use him on the ground and maximize his strongest asset. It will be interesting if he can outrush QB Malik Cunningham in the Louisville game. That guy is an A+ runner and the best running QB in the nation. Lamar Jackson’s protege.

QB Whisperer 3.0 is wielding his magic again.

Centeio now in the top 10 QB Power Rankings:

QB Power Rankings

so far so good for QB whisperer 3.0
At this point in time I would believe Cig could coach Billy Kilmer to actually throw a tight spiral.
TC is averaging 6 yards per carry, with a career high 66% completion percentage, and a career high 15 TD's already in only 5 games.

He has amazingly reduced TC's turnovers to only 2 through 5 games. 1 pick, 1 fumble. That is championship caliber QB play from a guy who has never approached that type of success in his 5 years of college football.
The running ability is what drives defenses nuts. Commit a spy to him and watch receivers run wide open. Don't commit a spy and watch him scramble for easy first downs.

His passing has been much better than expected and is a product of JMU having such a running game threat, including him. Teams are having to commit extra defenders to try to stop the run and play action has become deadly sucking in LB's and/or safeties and having WRs, TE's, and RB's running free in space.
i lost count this weekend of how many passes were thrown to wide open receivers.

And he ran less yesterday...easily could have had big yards

Hoping teams stop looking for it and he busts it out when really needed....chess game every week at this point

Cig has a scheme and formula for this. When all the parts work together, a QB making the right choices most of the time ends up with great results.

Formula seems to be: Favor run over pass, lots of depth and versatility in the backfield, and a mobile QB. Lots of speed from receivers, several TE with size, and backs who can help in the passing game. All behind a quick Oline that can open up holes and is rarely required to hold pass protection too long.

Our running game, short-dump-offs, occasional deep balls, and qb mobility nearly eliminate blitzes. I think we tallied 6 sacks yesterday and have given less than up for the season. So basically, it takes our full unit, plus reserves and balanced play calling to allow the QB to shine.

TC is definitely shining and his play is making the best of the situation.

(10-09-2022 09:25 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  so far so good for QB whisperer 3.0
At this point in time I would believe Cig could coach Billy Kilmer to actually throw a tight spiral.

Impossible! Kilmer was at his best when his passes looked like end over end ducks.

https://jmusports.com/news/2022/10/10/fo...honor.aspx

Well, TC took two steps backwards this week, but there is no excuse for throwing 48 passes against one of the worst run defenses in the nation. Cig will have some splainin’ to do in his press conference.

The pass with this QB is going to be most effective when it is play action off of successful running plays, including his own runs.

I’m sure Mickey Mathews puked on his living room carpet watching the Dukes pass repeatedly against a terrible run defense. He would have been the extreme opposite like the DQ Scott game when zero passes were completed against the #1 FCS team and JMU WON.

Oddly, despite the 3 picks his numbers were only slightly behind his App. State game.
GASO 28-48 468 yards 2TDs 3INTs 141.5RTG 61.5QBR (12-44 Rush 3TDs)
APPSt 17-29 209 yards 2TDs 0INTs. 141.9RTG 63.5QBR (17-88 Rush 1TD)

Will TC return to his zero turnover performances that were common prior to last week. You have to think that Cig re-emphasized it this week and we should see more tuck and run instead of throwing high risk passes into coverage.
With Marshall being so good stopping the run, the QB run is the x-factor that is much harder to defend.
The leading rusher for Notre Dame and for Louisiana was their QB and neither of those guys is nearly as skilled as TC with his legs.

The Whisperer said TC still wasn’t a finished product a couple of weeks ago and this game will show how he learns and bounces back from a bad turnover game.

That last pick was certainly on him, but I believe his other 3 picks were all deflections. Marshall has 8 INTs this year, so they can get after it. Hoping he does some more rushing to keep them guessing and prevent forcing throws downfield when you only need to pick up a few yards.

(10-22-2022 07:37 AM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  That last pick was certainly on him, but I believe his other 3 picks were all deflections. Marshall has 8 INTs this year, so they can get after it. Hoping he does some more rushing to keep them guessing and prevent forcing throws downfield when you only need to pick up a few yards.

Agreed. Most of the picks were not on TC.

Fumbles hurt JMU too. Gotta hang onto the ball and play turnover-free today!

We’ll see if Cig can be supreme Whisperer 3.0 He has a first time starter taking snaps today with only 6 days of prep against an outstanding run defense. They will make JMU pass to win.
Just avoid turnovers, take sacks if you have to, throw it away if you can, and punt for field position.

The defense needs to take pressure off Atkins today and play with the lead.

Gonna need to see a lot of improvement on 4.0. Before, I was torn on whether or not we should hit the portal to find a guy to compete or just let Atkins and Barnett battle it out... Looks a lot clearer now, obviously a tough situation for Atkins though and hopefully not a great example of his abilities. Definitely needs to get that internal clock ticking a lot faster.

Just my 2 cents, but I’ve been beating the drum for transfers and “FBS” QB recruits all off-season and will continue in my circles. This was a great example of the gap in kids recruited to FCS vs FBS. There just aren’t enough of them and rarely did you see any slip through the cracks. Just look at recent JMU history and count the number of successful QBs who weren’t transfers down from FBS.

My count is 2, Rodney Landers and Cole Johnson.

(10-22-2022 02:19 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  We’ll see if Cig can be supreme Whisperer 3.0 He has a first time starter taking snaps today with only 6 days of prep against an outstanding run defense. They will make JMU pass to win.
Just avoid turnovers, take sacks if you have to, throw it away if you can, and punt for field position.

The defense needs to take pressure off Atkins today and play with the lead.

Turns out he had one day of prep time with the 1's. The injury that kept TC out occurred Thursday in practice. Perhaps the takeaway is we do need to work harder at developing QB depth in addition to RB depth. Tough to do when your backups are still a true Fr and R-Fr. TC is a year 6 guy. Thats a half decade more of experience.

(10-23-2022 07:01 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(10-22-2022 02:19 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  We’ll see if Cig can be supreme Whisperer 3.0 He has a first time starter taking snaps today with only 6 days of prep against an outstanding run defense. They will make JMU pass to win.
Just avoid turnovers, take sacks if you have to, throw it away if you can, and punt for field position.

The defense needs to take pressure off Atkins today and play with the lead.

Turns out he had one day of prep time with the 1's. The injury that kept TC out occurred Thursday in practice. Perhaps the takeaway is we do need to work harder at developing QB depth in addition to RB depth. Tough to do when your backups are still a true Fr and R-Fr. TC is a year 6 guy. Thats a half decade more of experience.

Yep that made it even worse. Finding out after the game that TC’s oblique injury occurred in Thursday’s practice. You would think JMU would have been more conservative to keep Atkins out of trouble having such little prep time. Then when JMU was leading 12 to 2 they should have become ultra conservative.

If you think about it, JMU could have won this game with a QB completing only 36% 13-36 of his passes. Just have to eliminate the 5 QB turnovers. And that is easier said than done when riskier downfield pass plays are called. We could have seen a bunch of screens and 5 yard TE passes to protect Atkins, but they let him throw it downfield when he clearly isn’t ready for big boy football.
The sacks were almost as bad when he couldn’t pull the trigger or take off running. Paralysis by analysis in the QB pocket.

the QB position 100% lost that game yesterday.

Atkins looked in over his head.
He may or may not turn out to be good, but i absolutely fail to see why we didn't give Barnett a shot. What did we have to lose? It's absolutely mind boggling that didn't occur.

it's also worth mentioning again, that we were in the game with absolutely horrendous QB play until late in the 4th qtr.

there is no doubt in my mind we beat them by 2 scores, minimum, with Centeio. They had a good defense, but their offense was as putrid as ours. and Centeio is a game changer. We would have scored more than enough to win yesterday if he plays.