(08-30-2022 08:23 AM)george14 Wrote:  

(08-30-2022 07:59 AM)bobcat_backer Wrote:  

(08-29-2022 02:56 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear bobcat backer,
If, you think you are in the same class as Florida State you are delusional.
I never claimed Eastern was a football powerhouse. My, my, how certain feathers get ruffled when someone says anything that you take as a slight about your school.

First, I never ever said Ohio is in the same class, football-wise, with Florida State or any other P5 school. Second, I'm only going on the defensive because you provoked it with your completely unnecessary comment about Ohio football. Third, I am fully capable of handling any sort of remark about Ohio University, and believe me, I've heard a lot of them! But, don't think that means I'm not going to retaliate when I feel the need.

Ken is a disgruntled EMU fan from the 1920's that is bitter toward most MAC schools. He's the type of football fan to somehow bring politics into the discussion when you're talking about a holding penalty. He is easily the most patronizing poster on this board. It is fun to engage with him at times though, just to see his response about CMU voting out EMU in 1974, the Jan 6th incident, how OU is not in the same class as FSU, etc.

He's the type of fan where his team gets waxed and he will say "we should have won." Yet when a team that he dislikes wins it's " they got lucky." Totally living in a different reality, but it's ok. He's our special fellow poster.

perfect explanation, thanks! i've heard you shouldn't wake these people up; they might hurt themselves! LOL

Dear bobcat backer,
Well, the difference here is that you believe george14, who always gets his facts wrong, and when speaking of being confrontational, you couldn't find one better. george14 is just upset and angry about me because I dislike his school. I am not bitter towards MAC schools, just his. And yes, it is because his school tried to kick my school out of the league in 1984. (not 1974)
Any one who is a MAC member, and thinks we as a group, or individually, is in the same class as a Florida State, Michigan, Ohio State, Clemson, Alabama, is delusional. If, as teams in our league schedule these teams, that I have mentioned, and on occasion defeat them, it is a feather in that teams hat. It should not mean that we are automatically in their class.
Having george14 as a supporter isn't something to write home about.

(08-30-2022 10:15 AM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear bobcat backer,
Well, the difference here is that you believe george14, who always gets his facts wrong, and when speaking of being confrontational, you couldn't find one better. george14 is just upset and angry about me because I dislike his school. I am not bitter towards MAC schools, just his. And yes, it is because his school tried to kick my school out of the league in 1984. (not 1974)
Any one who is a MAC member, and thinks we as a group, or individually, is in the same class as a Florida State, Michigan, Ohio State, Clemson, Alabama, is delusional. If, as teams in our league schedule these teams, that I have mentioned, and on occasion defeat them, it is a feather in that teams hat. It should not mean that we are automatically in their class.
Having george14 as a supporter isn't something to write home about.

The irony in these comments. bobcat_backer never said OU was in the same class as FSU, and no matter how badly you want to believe he did, he did not. So maybe get your facts straight Kenneth.

Secondly, and this is where you can prove me wrong if you can. I wasn't alive in 1984 so all I have is Google. I found an article (https://emueagles.com/news/2019/9/19/foo...16-16.aspx) on EMU's website that states:

"But this hastily-planned, out-patient surgery kind of solution created another problem: the MAC charter prevented the presidents from removing a member in good standing; seven of the 10 schools had to vote 'Yes' to any proposed charter change. No one in Ypsilanti had any warning of the tornado about to drop out of the sky. EMU didn't send president John Porter to the meeting; Provost Ron Collins went in his place. When the motion to change the MAC's charter was brought forward, Eastern and Western voted 'No.' Central Michigan abstained. The five schools from Ohio, plus Ball State and Northern Illinois voted 'yes' to pass the amendment, 7-2-1.

I found another article from EMU Focus (https://commons.emich.edu/cgi/viewconten...text=focus) that says the MAC Presidents voted 10-0 in favor to reinstate EMU. Considering there were 10 MAC teams, doesn't that mean CMU voted in favor of EMU?

On a serious note, I am open to anything you have regarding this. But this is what I found. CMU abstained from voting EMU out of the conference, while BG, NIU, UT, Miami, Kent, OU, and BSU voted out EMU. Then, everyone unanimously voted for EMU to be back in the MAC. Your hostility is pointed at CMU for "abstaining" but not the other MAC schools for actually voting "yes." Strange, but you are entitled to your opinion.

Dear george14,
You need to take a reading course or two. Yes, bobcat backer never said Florida State was in their class, I said Ohio was not in Florida State's class.
I'm sorry, but the story that you have related about Eastern being possibly kicked out of the MAC is incorrect on one point. The true story according to the Detroit News and Free Press, and Eastern's Athletic Department is, in the initial vote of keeping Eastern as a member, but not in football, Central voted with the Ohio schools and Ball State and Northern Illinois to kick Eastern out of the league in football.
It was then determined that any member of the MAC had to be a football member, so it was not possible to kick Eastern out for that particular sport, and remain a member of the MAC. After all of this, it was determined by the MAC Presidents that there should be a re-vote, and yes, the presidents all voted to keep Eastern.
So, george14, that is why I don't like your school. Central probably knew full well that by voting Eastern out for football, it would mean out of the league as well. They just wanted one less Michigan school to compete against in the MAC.

(08-30-2022 02:01 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear george14,
You need to take a reading course or two. Yes, bobcat backer never said Florida State was in their class, I said Ohio was not in Florida State's class.
I'm sorry, but the story that you have related about Eastern being possibly kicked out of the MAC is incorrect on one point. The true story according to the Detroit News and Free Press, and Eastern's Athletic Department is, in the initial vote of keeping Eastern as a member, but not in football, Central voted with the Ohio schools and Ball State and Northern Illinois to kick Eastern out of the league in football.
It was then determined that any member of the MAC had to be a football member, so it was not possible to kick Eastern out for that particular sport, and remain a member of the MAC. After all of this, it was determined by the MAC Presidents that there should be a re-vote, and yes, the presidents all voted to keep Eastern.
So, george14, that is why I don't like your school. Central probably knew full well that by voting Eastern out for football, it would mean out of the league as well. They just wanted one less Michigan school to compete against in the MAC.

Yes and I also can say "Ken, you are not an astronaut." It's of no relevance unless I am suggesting you said so, or at least made a claim relating to being an astronaut. You're trying to make a statement that has zero relevance to the issue in an attempt to put down another school. It goes without saying that OU is not in FSU's class. Congrats.

EMU's very own athletic website states "Eastern and Western voted 'No.' Central Michigan abstained. The five schools from Ohio, plus Ball State and Northern Illinois voted 'yes' to pass the amendment, 7-2-1."
Source: https://emueagles.com/news/2019/9/19/foo...16-16.aspx

Here is BG's newspaper citing the same thing: "With the above for backing and the NCAA breathing down the necks of the MAC, the conference decided 7-2-1 in favor of an ultimatum to drop EMU's football program completely or expelling them from the conference."
Source: https://scholarworks.bgsu.edu/cgi/viewco...xt=bg-news

You can be as confrontational as you'd like, but my question is simple: why is your story correct and mine incorrect? I am citing your own schools website lol. You're claiming there was another vote that resulted in 8-2 (CMU voting "yes" this time) that is not being mentioned?

I vote to remove EMU from the MAC

(08-30-2022 02:31 PM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  I vote to remove EMU from the MAC

And Akron... For firing the only coach to ever win a bowl game for the Zips...

(08-30-2022 02:31 PM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  I vote to remove EMU from the MAC

oopf, shots fired

Dear george14,
The reason you aren't getting the whole picture is because you have not looked at the Detroit newspaper articles dealing with what happened.
Also, you claim the Bowling Green article supports your claim. All that article says a vote was 7-2-1, but it does not say how either of the members voted. You can twist this any way you want, but the facts state that in the vote to kick Eastern out of football, Central was right there.
I will never support your school in anything.

How about we kick both EMU and WMU out?

(08-30-2022 03:27 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear george14,
The reason you aren't getting the whole picture is because you have not looked at the Detroit newspaper articles dealing with what happened.
Also, you claim the Bowling Green article supports your claim. All that article says a vote was 7-2-1, but it does not say how either of the members voted. You can twist this any way you want, but the facts state that in the vote to kick Eastern out of football, Central was right there.
I will never support your school in anything.

So EMU itself is reporting fake news?

EMU's very own athletic website states "Eastern and Western voted 'No.' Central Michigan abstained. The five schools from Ohio, plus Ball State and Northern Illinois voted 'yes' to pass the amendment, 7-2-1."
Source: https://emueagles.com/news/2019/9/19/foo...16-16.aspx

Dear george14,
You are not quoting the very first vote taken by the various MAC schools. I am. Keep going to a vote that had nothing to do with kicking Eastern out of the MAC.
You even state it was a vote on an amendment. Why would MAC schools vote on an amendment before any other business before it?
You need to get over the fact that I don't like your school, and that I will never support it. As well as the fact that your school initially voted to kick my school out of the MAC.

(08-30-2022 03:33 PM)Warhawks222 Wrote:  How about we kick both EMU and WMU out?

We don't have to kick CMU out, they may not exist in 10 years the way their enrollment is trending. You may have to merge with Ferris.

(08-30-2022 05:42 PM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  

(08-30-2022 03:33 PM)Warhawks222 Wrote:  How about we kick both EMU and WMU out?

We don't have to kick CMU out, they may not exist in 10 years the way their enrollment is trending. You may have to merge with Ferris.

A Ferris and CMU merger makes four for MAC hockey.

I’ll show myself out.

(08-30-2022 05:28 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear george14,
You are not quoting the very first vote taken by the various MAC schools. I am. Keep going to a vote that had nothing to do with kicking Eastern out of the MAC.
You even state it was a vote on an amendment. Why would MAC schools vote on an amendment before any other business before it?
You need to get over the fact that I don't like your school, and that I will never support it. As well as the fact that your school initially voted to kick my school out of the MAC.

It seems that EMU finds it important considering CMU abstaining is mentioned, but this other vote you speak of is nowhere to be found. Imagine hating a school for something you made up, nearly 40 years ago.

Have a great day Ken.

Dear george14,
I told you where to find it, but you refuse to go there. I can't lead the blind when you refuse to be led.
You just can't believe your school could have done such a thing. Well, they did.
You know what is so hilarious about this whole episode, you started it because you felt this need to shame me for supposedly attacking bobcat backer. I can't wait for the next episode of how Ken Barna ruined another personality. All because you can't let it all go.

Dear MAC Friends,
I want to apologize to you for taking most of the space on this thread, in an argument with george14, which has happened before. I hope it is done with in the future.

(08-30-2022 09:20 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear george14,
I told you where to find it, but you refuse to go there. I can't lead the blind when you refuse to be led.
You just can't believe your school could have done such a thing. Well, they did.
You know what is so hilarious about this whole episode, you started it because you felt this need to shame me for supposedly attacking bobcat backer. I can't wait for the next episode of how Ken Barna ruined another personality. All because you can't let it all go.

Speaking about yourself in the 3rd person, typical narcissist. Your own school's website cites something as fact, yet the burden is on me to search for something that you allege? Why can't we take what EMU (the school harmed) says as true?

It's odd how none of your comments are directed at your own school, which states: "Eastern and Western voted 'No.' Central Michigan abstained. The five schools from Ohio, plus Ball State and Northern Illinois voted 'yes' to pass the amendment, 7-2-1."

Is EMU wrong? Once again, what makes your alleged facts true and mine false? Mine aren't alleged either, they are right here: https://emueagles.com/news/2019/9/19/foo...16-16.aspx

(08-31-2022 08:14 AM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear MAC Friends,
I want to apologize to you for taking most of the space on this thread, in an argument with george14, which has happened before. I hope it is done with in the future.

then stop typing lol