Yormark has already said that expansion candidates have to add value. Oregon St or Washington St don't add value with their football production - especially in the middle of nowhere in the Pacific NW. Don't get me started on their basketball programs. Take the four corners and stop there for the western block. I know Colorado is the weakest but I think they will negotiate to come as a group of four. Plus, that makes an even 16 teams for the conference. Then, focus the future to the east...

(08-26-2022 11:03 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Yormark has already said that expansion candidates have to add value. Oregon St or Washington St don't add value with their football production - especially in the middle of nowhere in the Pacific NW. Don't get me started on their basketball programs. Take the four corners and stop there for the western block. I know Colorado is the weakest but I think they will negotiate to come as a group of four. Plus, that makes an even 16 teams for the conference. Then, focus the future to the east...

the Big 12 can do fine with 3 pods of 5 and wait until further action happens in the future.....leave CU right where they are

East: Central Florida, Cincinnati, Iowa State, Memphis and West Virginia

Central: Baylor, Houston, Oklahoma State, TCU, and Texas Tech

West: Utah, BYU, Colorado, Kansas, Kansas State

Pacific: Arizona, Oregon State, San Diego State, Arizona St, Washington State
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This is set up I like [sch 5 2 1 1,]
locks down 11:00 start, PacN could be salvaged

there more competition in east, ACC could survive
still have 4 spots open, maybe more

(08-27-2022 05:50 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  East: Central Florida, Cincinnati, Iowa State, Memphis and West Virginia

Central: Baylor, Houston, Oklahoma State, TCU, and Texas Tech

West: Utah, BYU, Colorado, Kansas, Kansas State

Pacific: Arizona, Oregon State, San Diego State, Arizona St, Washington State

This is set up I like [sch 5 2 1 1,]
locks down 11:00 start, PacN could be salvaged

there more competition in east, ACC could survive
still have 4 spots open, maybe more
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No to OR and WA State. Prefer SMU and SDSU, but really prefer 18 in 3 pods or 2 divisions.

(08-27-2022 02:32 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(08-26-2022 11:03 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Yormark has already said that expansion candidates have to add value. Oregon St or Washington St don't add value with their football production - especially in the middle of nowhere in the Pacific NW. Don't get me started on their basketball programs. Take the four corners and stop there for the western block. I know Colorado is the weakest but I think they will negotiate to come as a group of four. Plus, that makes an even 16 teams for the conference. Then, focus the future to the east...

the Big 12 can do fine with 3 pods of 5 and wait until further action happens in the future.....leave CU right where they are

I remain skeptical that Colorado - a state flagship AAU - is left behind with OSU and WSU if Utah, Zona and Zona St come. Colorado is also a former charter member of the B12 and won a national chip in 1990. They are better than any group of five add.

There is no reason whatsoever to believe the Big 12 will add SDSU, Memphis, SMU or any other G5.

If the Pac collapses, they will add Az, ASU, CU and Utah and likely no one else unless they get paid to add Oregon State and Wazzu.

(08-27-2022 04:09 PM)cc22 Wrote:  There is no reason whatsoever to believe the Big 12 will add SDSU, Memphis, SMU or any other G5.

If the Pac collapses, they will add Az, ASU, CU and Utah and likely no one else unless they get paid to add Oregon State and Wazzu.

i do agree that this seems the most likely scenario right now. but, lets see how the winds blow tomorrow (LOL)

(08-28-2022 05:47 AM)dave108 Wrote:  

(08-27-2022 04:09 PM)cc22 Wrote:  There is no reason whatsoever to believe the Big 12 will add SDSU, Memphis, SMU or any other G5.

If the Pac collapses, they will add Az, ASU, CU and Utah and likely no one else unless they get paid to add Oregon State and Wazzu.

i do agree that this seems the most likely scenario right now. but, lets see how the winds blow tomorrow (LOL)

Makes the most sense. Two divisions of 8. Seven games in division, two on opposite division.

I doubt anything happens before next 2023. I do believe Big will add at least 2 more. Not sure about 4. Either will be death mill for the Pac. If OR and Wash are pretty positive it will happen, then Pac won't make any TV deals, as they won't sign for more than 3 years and definitely no long term Gor or big Exit fees.

(08-30-2022 09:02 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  I doubt anything happens before next 2023. I do believe Big will add at least 2 more. Not sure about 4. Either will be death mill for the Pac. If OR and Wash are pretty positive it will happen, then Pac won't make any TV deals, as they won't sign for more than 3 years and definitely no long term Gor or big Exit fees.

I will be very surprised if the Big 12 adds more than 2 PAC schools unless California and Northwest schools are involved. Yormark has mentioned more than once that any additions will not be dilutive.

Two schools in Utah and two schools in Arizona seems like the definition of dilutive. The Big 12 really only needs a couple more western adds to have all the late-night inventory it needs. Open new markets rather than double dip.

Between Utah and Arizona State as second takes in their respective states, I think Utah might be ok. They are better than ASU and likely have a different student population from byu whereas asu and au are too similar, with one better in basketball and the other football.

(08-30-2022 11:52 AM)Huan Wrote:  Between Utah and Arizona State as second takes in their respective states, I think Utah might be ok. They are better than ASU and likely have a different student population from byu whereas asu and au are too similar, with one better in basketball and the other football.

I see it as almost the exact opposite. Utah has about 3.5 million population and the one #30 SLC TV market with about 1.1 million TV households.

Arizona has about 7.5 million population and (1) the #11 Phoenix TV market with about 2.1 million TV households and (2) the #64 Tuscon TV market with about 500K TV households.

If you're going to double dip, do it in Arizona, not Utah.

The main positive for Utah is the BYU-Utah rivalry, which can deliver decent TV ratings even outside of Utah. Utah doesn't otherwise deliver better matchups or TV ratings than either Arizona or Arizona State, all things being equal.

(08-30-2022 12:24 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(08-30-2022 11:52 AM)Huan Wrote:  Between Utah and Arizona State as second takes in their respective states, I think Utah might be ok. They are better than ASU and likely have a different student population from byu whereas asu and au are too similar, with one better in basketball and the other football.

I see it as almost the exact opposite. Utah has about 3.5 million population and the one #30 SLC TV market with about 1.1 million TV households.

Arizona has about 7.5 million population and (1) the #11 Phoenix TV market with about 2.1 million TV households and (2) the #64 Tuscon TV market with about 500K TV households.

If you're going to double dip, do it in Arizona, not Utah.

The main positive for Utah is the BYU-Utah rivalry, which can deliver decent TV ratings even outside of Utah. Utah doesn't otherwise deliver better matchups or TV ratings than either Arizona or Arizona State, all things being equal.

Several things:

BYU already secures much of the Salt Lake City (and entire state of Utah) TV Market...and the Big 12 TV Contract would get the BYU-Utah rivalry every other year...without even having to invite Utah into the conf.

Taping into new markets & states, which the Big 12 just did with UCF, Cincinnati and BYU (UH was added to help with Houston market after the conf first losing A&M and now Texas) is what the conf just did...and while Utah has a very good football team...I can see the conf deciding to go into new markets (i.e. Pheonix, especially with Arizona State and then maybe Colorado...before Utah gets added).

Finally, Univ of Arizona is located in Tucson (#64 TV Market), while Arizona State is located in Pheonix/Scottsdale, (#11 TV Market) so big differences between the two but yes, UA still has reach into PHX.

https://newsgeneration.com/broadcast-res...o-markets/

So after Arizona who would be your second choice out west?

(08-30-2022 12:59 PM)Huan Wrote:  So after Arizona who would be your second choice out west?

My first picks from among the 4 Corners schools are Arizona State and Colorado. But, I'd take Arizona if they come calling first.

1) Arizona State and Colorado
2) Arizona and Colorado
3) Arizona State, Colorado, Arizona, Utah
4) Arizona State and Arizona
5) Arizona State and Utah
6) Colorado and Utah
7) Arizona and Utah

(08-30-2022 02:05 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(08-30-2022 12:59 PM)Huan Wrote:  So after Arizona who would be your second choice out west?

My first picks from among the 4 Corners schools are Arizona State and Colorado. But, I'd take Arizona if they come calling first.

1) Arizona State and Colorado
2) Arizona and Colorado
3) Arizona State, Colorado, Arizona, Utah
4) Arizona State and Arizona
5) Arizona State and Utah
6) Colorado and Utah
7) Arizona and Utah

i'd go with arizona (bball) and utah. but, as soon as one of us ponies up the tv money, our picks would start to count!

(08-31-2022 07:04 AM)dave108 Wrote:  

(08-30-2022 02:05 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(08-30-2022 12:59 PM)Huan Wrote:  So after Arizona who would be your second choice out west?

My first picks from among the 4 Corners schools are Arizona State and Colorado. But, I'd take Arizona if they come calling first.

1) Arizona State and Colorado
2) Arizona and Colorado
3) Arizona State, Colorado, Arizona, Utah
4) Arizona State and Arizona
5) Arizona State and Utah
6) Colorado and Utah
7) Arizona and Utah

i'd go with arizona (bball) and utah. but, as soon as one of us ponies up the tv money, our picks would start to count!

same.