(08-24-2022 07:43 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-23-2022 01:30 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Hard to "smear" something that uses deception and downright lies in many cases. Just sayin'.

Perhaps the pro-forced birth movement should start their own private review company?

Personally...I believe it should be mandatory that a woman go to one of these crisis centers before going to an abortion clinic. If only one woman in crisis decides to forego having an abortion and "chooses" an alternative it is worth it the exercise. I think regardless of ones view on abortion we all agree it is NOT a good thing to have to do and should be a "last resort" procedure. Shouldn't a woman need to have as much information at her disposal before undergoing such a thing?

Mostly on board with this, stopping at the mandatory part as these places are not credentialed in any way. And as I've mentioned before, we have a center in my city which is affiliated with my church. I've donated money to them and our church gives our Christmas offering to them every year. I've also donated my time to them in working on their new building.

But they are not one of those centers that attempt to mislead women with wild ass claims of abortions causing breast cancer, etc.

Quote:Perhaps most worrisome, regardless of whether a particular location is licensed, CPCs engage in counseling that is misleading or false. Despite claims to the contrary, these centers do not meet the standard of patient-centered, quality medical care. The counseling provided on abortion and contraception by CPCs falls outside accepted medical standards and guidelines for providing evidence-based information and treatment options. For example, CPCs often suggest a link between abortion and subsequent serious mental health problems, while multiple studies have invalidated this assertion. Similarly, centers cite debunked literature showing an association between abortion and breast cancer. Although abortion has been shown to be safer than childbirth, it is portrayed as a dangerous or even deadly procedure.

Contrary to the claim that many CPCs make that they provide comprehensive services and offer women “all options,” most of these centers do not provide comprehensive women’s reproductive health care, abortion care, or referrals for abortion. For example, CPCs tend to avoid discussion of contraception and dismiss the role of condoms in preventing sexually transmitted infections.

https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/art...al/2018-03

I believe women are more than capable of making the decision on their own without being forced to attend a crisis pregnancy center... My two cents.

(08-24-2022 08:28 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(08-24-2022 06:29 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-23-2022 02:31 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(08-23-2022 02:16 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-23-2022 01:44 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  Sure you can provide some evidence of the lies being told at these facilities, no?

Yes, I can...and have. We talked about this awhile back. You can search my posts if you like.

Should the government be involved in censoring and controlling the type of information pregnant cis females should be receiving?

Aren't we talking about Yelp?

That being said, if any entity is putting forth information that involves health care, etc. I think the government has a role to make sure the citizens are protected. Think of things like claims about what some product or procedure might do or cure...things like that.

Elizabeth Warren: “Crisis pregnancy centers that are there to fool people looking for pregnancy termination help outnumber abortion clinics by 3-1. We need to shut them down all around the country.”

She wants to suppress information that involves regular childbirth. AKA she wants the government involved in the decision making process. Is this not the defining argument for Pro Choice? That the government should get out of the issue entirely?

Or is abortion moral?

Well, the government should not be deciding AT ALL what is moral. That will fail every time.

And I disagree with Warren. They don't ALL need to be shut down.

P.S.: I just disagreed with a democrat, again, for those keeping score.

(08-24-2022 09:17 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-24-2022 08:28 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(08-24-2022 06:29 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-23-2022 02:31 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(08-23-2022 02:16 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Yes, I can...and have. We talked about this awhile back. You can search my posts if you like.

Should the government be involved in censoring and controlling the type of information pregnant cis females should be receiving?

Aren't we talking about Yelp?

That being said, if any entity is putting forth information that involves health care, etc. I think the government has a role to make sure the citizens are protected. Think of things like claims about what some product or procedure might do or cure...things like that.

Elizabeth Warren: “Crisis pregnancy centers that are there to fool people looking for pregnancy termination help outnumber abortion clinics by 3-1. We need to shut them down all around the country.”

She wants to suppress information that involves regular childbirth. AKA she wants the government involved in the decision making process. Is this not the defining argument for Pro Choice? That the government should get out of the issue entirely?

Or is abortion moral?

Well, the government should not be deciding AT ALL what is moral. That will fail every time.

And I disagree with Warren. They don't ALL need to be shut down.

P.S.: I just disagreed with a democrat, again, for those keeping score.

I do believe that a woman should be exposed to wide information about pregnancy, the risks, case studies, etc. Whether it's PP or CPC.

(08-24-2022 09:00 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-24-2022 07:16 AM)Kyle Mack Wrote:  I have said it a million times the abortion racket is evil but at least they are aborting future Dem voters and violent criminals.

Wait, you didn't get the memo? Democrats are purposely aborting black and brown babies. EVERYONE knows this!

Welp that's where the abortion places are located. Again it's less future commie voters so like whatever dude.

(08-24-2022 09:16 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  I believe women are more than capable of making the decision on their own without being forced to attend a crisis pregnancy center... My two cents.

Like they had before they had an unwanted pregnancy in the first place?

I agree with Tom that the proper counseling should be done that does not include fear tactics..just unbiased information. In the vast majority of cases we are talking about a situation that already involved a lack of personal responsibility due to the disregard or poor diligence in the use of contraception. These women have already shown the need for counseling. Let's make sure that one mistake does not compound itself with another. If after counseling they still favor abortion...fine.

(08-24-2022 09:19 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(08-24-2022 09:17 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-24-2022 08:28 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(08-24-2022 06:29 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-23-2022 02:31 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  Should the government be involved in censoring and controlling the type of information pregnant cis females should be receiving?

Aren't we talking about Yelp?

That being said, if any entity is putting forth information that involves health care, etc. I think the government has a role to make sure the citizens are protected. Think of things like claims about what some product or procedure might do or cure...things like that.

Elizabeth Warren: “Crisis pregnancy centers that are there to fool people looking for pregnancy termination help outnumber abortion clinics by 3-1. We need to shut them down all around the country.”

She wants to suppress information that involves regular childbirth. AKA she wants the government involved in the decision making process. Is this not the defining argument for Pro Choice? That the government should get out of the issue entirely?

Or is abortion moral?

Well, the government should not be deciding AT ALL what is moral. That will fail every time.

And I disagree with Warren. They don't ALL need to be shut down.

P.S.: I just disagreed with a democrat, again, for those keeping score.

I do believe that a woman should be exposed to wide information about pregnancy, the risks, case studies, etc. Whether it's PP or CPC.

I hope that you're not asserting, or presuming, that all women who have abortions just go have it done like they're going to Starbucks or something. I would imagine that in the vast majority of cases where a women is consideration an abortion that they put quite a bit of thought into it.

(08-24-2022 09:22 AM)Kyle Mack Wrote:  

(08-24-2022 09:00 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-24-2022 07:16 AM)Kyle Mack Wrote:  I have said it a million times the abortion racket is evil but at least they are aborting future Dem voters and violent criminals.

Wait, you didn't get the memo? Democrats are purposely aborting black and brown babies. EVERYONE knows this!

Welp that's where the abortion places are located. Again it's less future commie voters so like whatever dude.

Lemme guess, you don't think rich white women have abortions?

(08-24-2022 10:07 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-24-2022 09:19 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(08-24-2022 09:17 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-24-2022 08:28 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(08-24-2022 06:29 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Aren't we talking about Yelp?

That being said, if any entity is putting forth information that involves health care, etc. I think the government has a role to make sure the citizens are protected. Think of things like claims about what some product or procedure might do or cure...things like that.

Elizabeth Warren: “Crisis pregnancy centers that are there to fool people looking for pregnancy termination help outnumber abortion clinics by 3-1. We need to shut them down all around the country.”

She wants to suppress information that involves regular childbirth. AKA she wants the government involved in the decision making process. Is this not the defining argument for Pro Choice? That the government should get out of the issue entirely?

Or is abortion moral?

Well, the government should not be deciding AT ALL what is moral. That will fail every time.

And I disagree with Warren. They don't ALL need to be shut down.

P.S.: I just disagreed with a democrat, again, for those keeping score.

I do believe that a woman should be exposed to wide information about pregnancy, the risks, case studies, etc. Whether it's PP or CPC.

I hope that you're not asserting, or presuming, that all women who have abortions just go have it done like they're going to Starbucks or something. I would imagine that in the vast majority of cases where a women is consideration an abortion that they put quite a bit of thought into it.

Anyone who becomes pregnant unknowing of the ways to prevent pregnancy will fall into the camp of needing to become educated. There are so many ways to prevent unwanted pregnancies via prescription or behavioral.

SO yes, they need all the information they can get to hopefully influence future behavior. Unless they knew full well going in what the risks were and didn't care - and view abortion as a first alternative as a contraceptive, I find those people abhorrent.

(08-24-2022 09:36 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-24-2022 09:16 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  I believe women are more than capable of making the decision on their own without being forced to attend a crisis pregnancy center... My two cents.

Like they had before they had an unwanted pregnancy in the first place?

I agree with Tom that the proper counseling should be done that does not include fear tactics..just unbiased information. In the vast majority of cases we are talking about a situation that already involved a lack of personal responsibility due to the disregard or poor diligence in the use of contraception. These women have already shown the need for counseling. Let's make sure that one mistake does not compound itself with another. If after counseling they still favor abortion...fine.

I know you likely didn't mean it to come out that way, but it sure seems like you're placing ALL the blame for an unwanted pregnancy on the woman.

And don't forget alcohol and youth...and when they mix...

(08-24-2022 10:10 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(08-24-2022 10:07 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-24-2022 09:19 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(08-24-2022 09:17 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-24-2022 08:28 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  Elizabeth Warren: “Crisis pregnancy centers that are there to fool people looking for pregnancy termination help outnumber abortion clinics by 3-1. We need to shut them down all around the country.”

She wants to suppress information that involves regular childbirth. AKA she wants the government involved in the decision making process. Is this not the defining argument for Pro Choice? That the government should get out of the issue entirely?

Or is abortion moral?

Well, the government should not be deciding AT ALL what is moral. That will fail every time.

And I disagree with Warren. They don't ALL need to be shut down.

P.S.: I just disagreed with a democrat, again, for those keeping score.

I do believe that a woman should be exposed to wide information about pregnancy, the risks, case studies, etc. Whether it's PP or CPC.

I hope that you're not asserting, or presuming, that all women who have abortions just go have it done like they're going to Starbucks or something. I would imagine that in the vast majority of cases where a women is consideration an abortion that they put quite a bit of thought into it.

Anyone who becomes pregnant unknowing of the ways to prevent pregnancy will fall into the camp of needing to become educated. There are so many ways to prevent unwanted pregnancies via prescription or behavioral.

SO yes, they need all the information they can get to hopefully influence future behavior. Unless they knew full well going in what the risks were and didn't care - and view abortion as a first alternative as a contraceptive, I find those people abhorrent.

Yeah, in most cases, not all. And yes, we need education...and we also need more and cheaper contraception. And like it or not, PP played a big role in that, so when they are forced to shut down... Of course then you also run into the Catholics and their ilk who want to impose their religious views on others.

(08-24-2022 10:13 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-24-2022 10:10 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(08-24-2022 10:07 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-24-2022 09:19 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(08-24-2022 09:17 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Well, the government should not be deciding AT ALL what is moral. That will fail every time.

And I disagree with Warren. They don't ALL need to be shut down.

P.S.: I just disagreed with a democrat, again, for those keeping score.

I do believe that a woman should be exposed to wide information about pregnancy, the risks, case studies, etc. Whether it's PP or CPC.

I hope that you're not asserting, or presuming, that all women who have abortions just go have it done like they're going to Starbucks or something. I would imagine that in the vast majority of cases where a women is consideration an abortion that they put quite a bit of thought into it.

Anyone who becomes pregnant unknowing of the ways to prevent pregnancy will fall into the camp of needing to become educated. There are so many ways to prevent unwanted pregnancies via prescription or behavioral.

SO yes, they need all the information they can get to hopefully influence future behavior. Unless they knew full well going in what the risks were and didn't care - and view abortion as a first alternative as a contraceptive, I find those people abhorrent.

Yeah, in most cases, not all. And yes, we need education...and we also need more and cheaper contraception. And like it or not, PP played a big role in that, so when they are forced to shut down... Of course then you also run into the Catholics and their ilk who want to impose their religious views on others.

I personally think that when voting you should try to separate religious beliefs and consider that everyone has a different view. But then again we all have inherent biases and views of the world that influence the way we vote and care about.

(08-24-2022 09:36 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-24-2022 09:16 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  I believe women are more than capable of making the decision on their own without being forced to attend a crisis pregnancy center... My two cents.

Like they had before they had an unwanted pregnancy in the first place?

I agree with Tom that the proper counseling should be done that does not include fear tactics..just unbiased information. In the vast majority of cases we are talking about a situation that already involved a lack of personal responsibility due to the disregard or poor diligence in the use of contraception. These women have already shown the need for counseling. Let's make sure that one mistake does not compound itself with another. If after counseling they still favor abortion...fine.

Even people who take precautions to avoid getting pregnant still end up pregnant. My ex had an IUD that was improperly implanted by her OBGYN. She's married now and has a few step children, but didn't want any of her own.

She ended up getting pregnant nonetheless, even though she thought she did everything she should have done to avoid it. And yes she got an abortion.

My wife's best friend had a miscarriage after being pregnant for three months. She wanted this pregnancy. Sadly, it didn't work out, and she needed a procedure to remove tissue from her uterus. That is an abortion.

As for the rest, it's human to err. People, even typically responsible people, make mistakes. Maybe she goes home with a man who has had a few and he improperly puts on a condom in the heat of the moment. Maybe the condom tears during the act? My point being is that birth control isn't 100% effective.

Not all abortions are a result unwanted pregnancies.

Not all unwanted pregnancies are a result of a lack of personal responsibilities.

Personally, I wouldn't advocate for my partner to have an abortion (unless her health depended on it). Like Tom, I'd love to see a reduction in the amount of abortions. I think an emphasis on education prior to getting pregnant for both men and women, plus a greater accessibility to different kinds of conceptive could help in that regard. But at the end of the day, I don't believe it's my business what her motivations are in the first place.



I might be able to get behind counselling if it was truly how you said it, non-fear based, facts only, and no pressuring the woman towards any specific decision. But in practice, I think it would be difficult to ensure the information these centers are providing women truly are unbiased.

(08-24-2022 10:10 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-24-2022 09:36 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-24-2022 09:16 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  I believe women are more than capable of making the decision on their own without being forced to attend a crisis pregnancy center... My two cents.

Like they had before they had an unwanted pregnancy in the first place?

I agree with Tom that the proper counseling should be done that does not include fear tactics..just unbiased information. In the vast majority of cases we are talking about a situation that already involved a lack of personal responsibility due to the disregard or poor diligence in the use of contraception. These women have already shown the need for counseling. Let's make sure that one mistake does not compound itself with another. If after counseling they still favor abortion...fine.

I know you likely didn't mean it to come out that way, but it sure seems like you're placing ALL the blame for an unwanted pregnancy on the woman.

And don't forget alcohol and youth...and when they mix...

Of course not..It's not totally the woman's duty to prevent unwanted pregnancies..but..the last time I checked?..Men can't conceive.

When my daughter became of child bearing age and started having interest in dating..ect... I pretty much demanded that she go on contraception. I told her..."You have to protect yourself against your and others stupidity." I still feel strongly that way.

(08-24-2022 10:34 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(08-24-2022 09:36 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-24-2022 09:16 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  I believe women are more than capable of making the decision on their own without being forced to attend a crisis pregnancy center... My two cents.

Like they had before they had an unwanted pregnancy in the first place?

I agree with Tom that the proper counseling should be done that does not include fear tactics..just unbiased information. In the vast majority of cases we are talking about a situation that already involved a lack of personal responsibility due to the disregard or poor diligence in the use of contraception. These women have already shown the need for counseling. Let's make sure that one mistake does not compound itself with another. If after counseling they still favor abortion...fine.

Even people who take precautions to avoid getting pregnant still end up pregnant. My ex had an IUD that was improperly implanted by her OBGYN. She's married now and has a few step children, but didn't want any of her own.

She ended up getting pregnant nonetheless, even though she thought she did everything she should have done to avoid it. And yes she got an abortion.

My wife's best friend had a miscarriage after being pregnant for three months. She wanted this pregnancy. Sadly, it didn't work out, and she needed a procedure to remove tissue from her uterus. That is an abortion.

As for the rest, it's human to err. People, even typically responsible people, make mistakes. Maybe she goes home with a man who has had a few and he improperly puts on a condom in the heat of the moment. Maybe the condom tears during the act? My point being is that birth control isn't 100% effective.

Not all abortions are a result unwanted pregnancies.

Not all unwanted pregnancies are a result of a lack of personal responsibilities.

Personally, I wouldn't advocate for my partner to have an abortion (unless her health depended on it). Like Tom, I'd love to see a reduction in the amount of abortions. I think an emphasis on education prior to getting pregnant for both men and women, plus a greater accessibility to different kinds of conceptive could help in that regard. But at the end of the day, I don't believe it's my business what her motivations are in the first place.



I might be able to get behind counselling if it was truly how you said it, non-fear based, facts only, and no pressuring the woman towards any specific decision. But in practice, I think it would be difficult to ensure the information these centers are providing women truly are unbiased.

Most pro-life people can sympathize with someone who tried to use some type of birth control to prevent. That's sad and understandable...

BUT

Roughly 40% of abortions are from women who have previously had at least one previous abortion. At what point do you attribute malfeasance to the woman at this juncture?

(08-24-2022 10:46 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-24-2022 10:10 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-24-2022 09:36 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-24-2022 09:16 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  I believe women are more than capable of making the decision on their own without being forced to attend a crisis pregnancy center... My two cents.

Like they had before they had an unwanted pregnancy in the first place?

I agree with Tom that the proper counseling should be done that does not include fear tactics..just unbiased information. In the vast majority of cases we are talking about a situation that already involved a lack of personal responsibility due to the disregard or poor diligence in the use of contraception. These women have already shown the need for counseling. Let's make sure that one mistake does not compound itself with another. If after counseling they still favor abortion...fine.

I know you likely didn't mean it to come out that way, but it sure seems like you're placing ALL the blame for an unwanted pregnancy on the woman.

And don't forget alcohol and youth...and when they mix...

Of course not..It's not totally the woman's duty to prevent unwanted pregnancies..but..the last time I checked?..Men can't conceive.

When my daughter became of child bearing age and started having interest in dating..ect... I pretty much demanded that she go on contraception. I told her..."You have to protect yourself against your and others stupidity." I still feel strongly that way.

Good. But that's likely pretty rare as I'm sure you'd agree.

(08-24-2022 10:34 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(08-24-2022 09:36 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-24-2022 09:16 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  I believe women are more than capable of making the decision on their own without being forced to attend a crisis pregnancy center... My two cents.

Like they had before they had an unwanted pregnancy in the first place?

I agree with Tom that the proper counseling should be done that does not include fear tactics..just unbiased information. In the vast majority of cases we are talking about a situation that already involved a lack of personal responsibility due to the disregard or poor diligence in the use of contraception. These women have already shown the need for counseling. Let's make sure that one mistake does not compound itself with another. If after counseling they still favor abortion...fine.

Even people who take precautions to avoid getting pregnant still end up pregnant. My ex had an IUD that was improperly implanted by her OBGYN. She's married now and has a few step children, but didn't want any of her own.

She ended up getting pregnant nonetheless, even though she thought she did everything she should have done to avoid it. And yes she got an abortion.

My wife's best friend had a miscarriage after being pregnant for three months. She wanted this pregnancy. Sadly, it didn't work out, and she needed a procedure to remove tissue from her uterus. That is an abortion.

As for the rest, it's human to err. People, even typically responsible people, make mistakes. Maybe she goes home with a man who has had a few and he improperly puts on a condom in the heat of the moment. Maybe the condom tears during the act? My point being is that birth control isn't 100% effective.

Not all abortions are a result unwanted pregnancies.

Not all unwanted pregnancies are a result of a lack of personal responsibilities.

Personally, I wouldn't advocate for my partner to have an abortion (unless her health depended on it). Like Tom, I'd love to see a reduction in the amount of abortions. I think an emphasis on education prior to getting pregnant for both men and women, plus a greater accessibility to different kinds of conceptive could help in that regard. But at the end of the day, I don't believe it's my business what her motivations are in the first place.



I might be able to get behind counselling if it was truly how you said it, non-fear based, facts only, and no pressuring the woman towards any specific decision. But in practice, I think it would be difficult to ensure the information these centers are providing women truly are unbiased.

If a female of child birthing age firmly does not want to conceive, we have pretty good methods to prevent conception. She does not even have to let anyone know. She can waltz right up her local Health Department and get fixed up. Sure..There is tiny chance it can fail. Id submit that almost all unwanted pregnancies and the resulting abortions could be avoided with this type of diligence. Using personal responsibility for ones fertility choices could pretty much end most of this debate.

I have always found it shocking that a "woman's right to choose" somehow is only talked about AFTER they get knocked up. How about your right to CHOOSE to NOT get pregnant in the first place and being proactive about it? Why is this not our MAIN focus?

(08-24-2022 10:53 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-24-2022 10:46 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-24-2022 10:10 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-24-2022 09:36 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-24-2022 09:16 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  I believe women are more than capable of making the decision on their own without being forced to attend a crisis pregnancy center... My two cents.

Like they had before they had an unwanted pregnancy in the first place?

I agree with Tom that the proper counseling should be done that does not include fear tactics..just unbiased information. In the vast majority of cases we are talking about a situation that already involved a lack of personal responsibility due to the disregard or poor diligence in the use of contraception. These women have already shown the need for counseling. Let's make sure that one mistake does not compound itself with another. If after counseling they still favor abortion...fine.

I know you likely didn't mean it to come out that way, but it sure seems like you're placing ALL the blame for an unwanted pregnancy on the woman.

And don't forget alcohol and youth...and when they mix...

Of course not..It's not totally the woman's duty to prevent unwanted pregnancies..but..the last time I checked?..Men can't conceive.

When my daughter became of child bearing age and started having interest in dating..ect... I pretty much demanded that she go on contraception. I told her..."You have to protect yourself against your and others stupidity." I still feel strongly that way.

Good. But that's likely pretty rare as I'm sure you'd agree.

I can tell you that It's really not that rare. My wife is a Public Health administrator. She see teens come in daily for IUDs and oral contraception with and without parental permission(which is not necessary). Unfortunately...We don't have the stomach as a society to encourage it. Its amazing that in a country that claims to be so OPEN...Sexual topics are still treated taboo. It's incredibly foolish.

(08-24-2022 11:03 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-24-2022 10:53 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-24-2022 10:46 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-24-2022 10:10 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-24-2022 09:36 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Like they had before they had an unwanted pregnancy in the first place?

I agree with Tom that the proper counseling should be done that does not include fear tactics..just unbiased information. In the vast majority of cases we are talking about a situation that already involved a lack of personal responsibility due to the disregard or poor diligence in the use of contraception. These women have already shown the need for counseling. Let's make sure that one mistake does not compound itself with another. If after counseling they still favor abortion...fine.

I know you likely didn't mean it to come out that way, but it sure seems like you're placing ALL the blame for an unwanted pregnancy on the woman.

And don't forget alcohol and youth...and when they mix...

Of course not..It's not totally the woman's duty to prevent unwanted pregnancies..but..the last time I checked?..Men can't conceive.

When my daughter became of child bearing age and started having interest in dating..ect... I pretty much demanded that she go on contraception. I told her..."You have to protect yourself against your and others stupidity." I still feel strongly that way.

Good. But that's likely pretty rare as I'm sure you'd agree.

I can tell you that It's really not that rare. My wife is a Public Health administrator. She see teens come in daily for IUDs and oral contraception with and without parental permission(which is not necessary). Unfortunately...We don't have the stomach as a society to encourage it. Its amazing that in a country that claims to be so OPEN...Sexual topics are still treated taboo. It's incredibly foolish.

Father's demanding their daughter go on the pill when they reach dating age? Sorry, but gotta believe that RARELY happens!