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RE: two deep question
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(08-23-2022 09:40 AM)Red Dog Wrote:  I'm interested to see who starts at safety as well but as we all know, football playing time is pretty fluid and there's always a handful of players in the rotation. It's a long season, games get long, players get banged up, and different people get shuffled in and out. I don't see any scenario where CJ Brown isn't starting -he was one of our better defenders last season playing at a high level. With that being said, Lafayette is coming off an injury so it depends on how he's looking as he gets back into the groove, Hansen has played a lot and is also coming off an injury, white is an FCS transfer but looks like a player, and Jammeh has showed solid flashes in his limited time. My guess is that they will all see some clock and rotate for the beginning of the season. Someone will stand out and establish themselves as the other "starter".

Please make Hansen a Linebacker. I don’t want to keep watching him get burned deep.

This is the exact shade I don’t get. Brown gets burned at a higher percentage. Now the Hansen mistakes appear to be mental…which drives me insane. Brown is more physical than mental, which I guess is easier to take? I dunno.

Brown was protected once he slid towards the box and had someone over the top. Puts a lot of pressure on the other secondary members when he is out there.

If I am an OC about to play the huskies, I stress the safeties. Try to isolate brown, or pressure the safety who has to cover more ground due to that grouping. That play call style will not work if you don’t have time though, and this huskie line is probably as good a D line as I recall.
????????

It’s not even anywhere close to the 2017/2018 defensive lines lol. If you want to say it has potential fine, but come on

I would argue against that. Certainly the top 1 guy on this line isn’t as good as some of the top tier huskie D line, no doubt about that.

But I can’t recall having 2 tackles I thought were as good as these 2, he’ll 3, tackles. The overall line is better in my opinion.

Those lines had Heflin and Kramer, one who has been in the NFL for like 3 years and another who played 2 years in the Big 10. I think Kennedy was our leading sack guy from Ends last year and he had like 2 sacks. I am sorry but this is an obscene take.

The defensive line was not a strength last year. Here’s to hoping a year of maturity and the Wisconsin transfer help fix it.
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RE: two deep question
(08-24-2022 07:55 AM)7 Wrote:  
(08-24-2022 07:53 AM)BigChilla Wrote:  
(08-24-2022 07:35 AM)7 Wrote:  
(08-24-2022 06:21 AM)BigChilla Wrote:  
(08-23-2022 10:41 PM)BDB5yp Wrote:  Please make Hansen a Linebacker. I don’t want to keep watching him get burned deep.

This is the exact shade I don’t get. Brown gets burned at a higher percentage. Now the Hansen mistakes appear to be mental…which drives me insane. Brown is more physical than mental, which I guess is easier to take? I dunno.

Brown was protected once he slid towards the box and had someone over the top. Puts a lot of pressure on the other secondary members when he is out there.

If I am an OC about to play the huskies, I stress the safeties. Try to isolate brown, or pressure the safety who has to cover more ground due to that grouping. That play call style will not work if you don’t have time though, and this huskie line is probably as good a D line as I recall.
????????

It’s not even anywhere close to the 2017/2018 defensive lines lol. If you want to say it has potential fine, but come on

I would argue against that. Certainly the top 1 guy on this line isn’t as good as some of the top tier huskie D line, no doubt about that.

But I can’t recall having 2 tackles I thought were as good as these 2, he’ll 3, tackles. The overall line is better in my opinion.

Those lines had Heflin and Kramer, one who has been in the NFL for like 3 years and another who played 2 years in the Big 10. I think Kennedy was our leading sack guy from Ends last year and he had like 2 sacks. I am sorry but this is an obscene take.

The defensive line was not a strength last year. Here’s to hoping a year of maturity and the Wisconsin transfer help fix it.
I see both sides on this debate.
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my concern is that the secondary is touted in the following fashion : "Player x had a great year in 2021 with x tackles."

hmmm. Is having a high number of tackles as a defensive back really a sign of having a good year?

I would say it is not. I am not saying we don't have some good db's. But I saw a lot of poor play over the last couple of years and number of tackles made is not a measure of how good our secondary is. The one very good thing is that I saw the worst play of any secondary ever in the last two years.... and then I saw improvement. Legitimate, noticeable progression to getting better. THAT I can feel good about. And it ties in to the question of who starts-- and can you sit a guy who was All MAC. I think the answer is a quick yes. If coach feels another guy is playing better, yep.
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RE: two deep question
(08-24-2022 08:36 AM)chihuskie Wrote:  
(08-24-2022 07:55 AM)7 Wrote:  
(08-24-2022 07:53 AM)BigChilla Wrote:  
(08-24-2022 07:35 AM)7 Wrote:  
(08-24-2022 06:21 AM)BigChilla Wrote:  This is the exact shade I don’t get. Brown gets burned at a higher percentage. Now the Hansen mistakes appear to be mental…which drives me insane. Brown is more physical than mental, which I guess is easier to take? I dunno.

Brown was protected once he slid towards the box and had someone over the top. Puts a lot of pressure on the other secondary members when he is out there.

If I am an OC about to play the huskies, I stress the safeties. Try to isolate brown, or pressure the safety who has to cover more ground due to that grouping. That play call style will not work if you don’t have time though, and this huskie line is probably as good a D line as I recall.
????????

It’s not even anywhere close to the 2017/2018 defensive lines lol. If you want to say it has potential fine, but come on

I would argue against that. Certainly the top 1 guy on this line isn’t as good as some of the top tier huskie D line, no doubt about that.

But I can’t recall having 2 tackles I thought were as good as these 2, he’ll 3, tackles. The overall line is better in my opinion.

Those lines had Heflin and Kramer, one who has been in the NFL for like 3 years and another who played 2 years in the Big 10. I think Kennedy was our leading sack guy from Ends last year and he had like 2 sacks. I am sorry but this is an obscene take.

The defensive line was not a strength last year. Here’s to hoping a year of maturity and the Wisconsin transfer help fix it.
I see both sides on this debate.
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my concern is that the secondary is touted in the following fashion : "Player x had a great year in 2021 with x tackles."

hmmm. Is having a high number of tackles as a defensive back really a sign of having a good year?

I would say it is not. I am not saying we don't have some good db's. But I saw a lot of poor play over the last couple of years and number of tackles made is not a measure of how good our secondary is. The one very good thing is that I saw the worst play of any secondary ever in the last two years.... and then I saw improvement. Legitimate, noticeable progression to getting better. THAT I can feel good about. And it ties in to the question of who starts-- and can you sit a guy who was All MAC. I think the answer is a quick yes. If coach feels another guy is playing better, yep.

it's not unusual for a safety to lead the team in tackles, Moore, Williams and Ward did. But I agree that the number of tackles Brown had does not correlate to him being great. But 100+ tackles means you're doing something well. Part of Brown's success was because our front 7 was not good. Ideally Pugh would lead the team in tackles this season. I think 4 safeties will see a decent amount of playing time. Goes back to the quality depth Ham is building.
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RE: two deep question
(08-23-2022 12:56 PM)chihuskie Wrote:  
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(08-23-2022 07:22 AM)BigChilla Wrote:  Agreed. Safety and linebacker are where I am curious.

We have 4 backers the coaches like, then add in the kids who have been playing well, would be real interesting.

Safety…I don’t even have a true guess. I assume you have to start CJ Brown…right?

I don't assume that. He was behind Lafayette before the injury. I could see Lafayette and White being the starters. From the sound of things Layayette, Brown, White, and Jammeh are all going to get PT to start the year.

I get your point but it would be kinda wild to bench somebody who was 1st team all conference last year

That’s the thing isn’t it? Personally I think brown is the # 3 or 4 safety on the team…but you can’t bench him…can you?
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RE: two deep question
(08-24-2022 07:55 AM)7 Wrote:  
(08-24-2022 07:53 AM)BigChilla Wrote:  
(08-24-2022 07:35 AM)7 Wrote:  
(08-24-2022 06:21 AM)BigChilla Wrote:  
(08-23-2022 10:41 PM)BDB5yp Wrote:  Please make Hansen a Linebacker. I don’t want to keep watching him get burned deep.

This is the exact shade I don’t get. Brown gets burned at a higher percentage. Now the Hansen mistakes appear to be mental…which drives me insane. Brown is more physical than mental, which I guess is easier to take? I dunno.

Brown was protected once he slid towards the box and had someone over the top. Puts a lot of pressure on the other secondary members when he is out there.

If I am an OC about to play the huskies, I stress the safeties. Try to isolate brown, or pressure the safety who has to cover more ground due to that grouping. That play call style will not work if you don’t have time though, and this huskie line is probably as good a D line as I recall.
????????

It’s not even anywhere close to the 2017/2018 defensive lines lol. If you want to say it has potential fine, but come on

I would argue against that. Certainly the top 1 guy on this line isn’t as good as some of the top tier huskie D line, no doubt about that.

But I can’t recall having 2 tackles I thought were as good as these 2, he’ll 3, tackles. The overall line is better in my opinion.

Those lines had Heflin and Kramer, one who has been in the NFL for like 3 years and another who played 2 years in the Big 10. I think Kennedy was our leading sack guy from Ends last year and he had like 2 sacks. I am sorry but this is an obscene take.

The defensive line was not a strength last year. Here’s to hoping a year of maturity and the Wisconsin transfer help fix it.

I guess I am not comparing the 2021 squad to anyone. Let’s remember this post then have a talk post season?

(Edit for clarity - I can’t imagine you meant the 2017 team…I am guessing you meant the 2018 team, unless you meant Lee-Cochran-Heflin-smith…but their stats weren’t near 2018…whom in my mind is the current best line we have had…until 2022 is done)

I would even argue that the particular 2018 squad with Cochran and Smith was amazing, but I think this team will have a better line. Less sacks from one guy, I mean 25 sacks out of your ends was insanely good, and 32.5 from your starters is another great stat. But let’s keep an eye on the 32.5? Let’s see how this plays out.

When all is said and done Kyle Pugh will be able to let us know whom he thinks is better.
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RE: two deep question
If we have 32.5+ sacks this year we’re going to win 12+ games. I hope you’re right!
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(08-23-2022 08:10 AM)7 Wrote:  
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(08-23-2022 07:22 AM)BigChilla Wrote:  Agreed. Safety and linebacker are where I am curious.

We have 4 backers the coaches like, then add in the kids who have been playing well, would be real interesting.

Safety…I don’t even have a true guess. I assume you have to start CJ Brown…right?

I don't assume that. He was behind Lafayette before the injury. I could see Lafayette and White being the starters. From the sound of things Layayette, Brown, White, and Jammeh are all going to get PT to start the year.

I get your point but it would be kinda wild to bench somebody who was 1st team all conference last year

That’s the thing isn’t it? Personally I think brown is the # 3 or 4 safety on the team…but you can’t bench him…can you?

Hammock is all about competition and the best player playing. I remember him saying when he took the job and so many guys were transferring something along the lines of "it's my job to replace you and your job not to get replaced." Starters at the beginning of last year were Lafayette (All-Conference 2020) and Hansen. Lafayette got hurt, Brown played very well in his place, Hansen struggled and was injured which led to Prophete getting PT & Jammeh starting in the MACC where he played GREAT then was ill and couldn't play in the bowl game and Frye started and struggled mightily. Then White comes in as a transfer. Based on all those performances you can come up with different line-ups and reasons why...but reality is that past performance doesn't matter compared to who is playing the best in the current moment. If that means that two previous All Conference performers don't start because two other guys have passed them by, I think Hammock is a coach that makes that call because that is what he believes in. Either way, it is an excellent problem to have, it is awesome to be 4-5 starting caliber players deep at that spot.
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My take is we will see multiple safety formations.

My guess is that Brown and Jammeh start.

About a year ago Lafayette had his serious injury at GT. Last year he was the defensive standout performer in practices. I did not see the same this year.

Still not sure who is going to get in backfield this year.

Overall I'm concerned that the D might not be good enough. I saw the offense pick the D apart in practice too often for my liking. Doesn't the D usually have the advantage at this stage of the year playing each other so often?

I can only hope they improve from a bottom FBS D to 70s - 90s.

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This just in... little Lynch will start.


Just kidding ...

but any news ?
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RE: two deep question
Only a few spots that are questions. Safety, LB (which 3), CB (we know the top 3 or 4), and WR.

I am super curious about the depth though.
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I’m curious on where Lafayette fits and who is #1 running back


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Can they keep Jalen Johnson off the field? Dude sounds like a stud in the making.

Does the transfer portal change how a coach uses his freshman in terms of saving eligibility? If you think I kid is gonna be great do you also think he has a high potential to transfer?
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Nothing about the defense was a strength last year. They gave up yards and points like it was going out of style. The 2017/2018 defense was dominant, creating turnovers, sacks, and TFL in record pace. I just hope this year’s defense is average and not pathetic like last year. I wanna see at least 25 sacks and 20 turnovers. That would be nice.
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(08-28-2022 01:35 PM)badmoonrising13 Wrote:  Nothing about the defense was a strength last year. They gave up yards and points like it was going out of style. The 2017/2018 defense was dominant, creating turnovers, sacks, and TFL in record pace. I just hope this year’s defense is average and not pathetic like last year. I wanna see at least 25 sacks and 20 turnovers. That would be nice.

I like to tell myself a big part of the issue was inexperience with the system. Thinking and not reacting. This thought let’s me sleep at night.
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(08-28-2022 01:35 PM)badmoonrising13 Wrote:  Nothing about the defense was a strength last year. They gave up yards and points like it was going out of style. The 2017/2018 defense was dominant, creating turnovers, sacks, and TFL in record pace. I just hope this year’s defense is average and not pathetic like last year. I wanna see at least 25 sacks and 20 turnovers. That would be nice.

I like to tell myself a big part of the issue was inexperience with the system. Thinking and not reacting. This thought let’s me sleep at night.

The defense last season was a mess. It is no longer a mess. The coaches had a **** scheme early on, it is seemingly fixed.

The 2nd youngest team in the NCAA had a young defense (even more with the loss of Pugh) - I am not counting too much against them. They will be better this year thanks to age and transfers (I think white & green-may are going to be huge.). So again, let’s see how this year plays out so we can stop talking about last season being the reason you don’t like guys this season.
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(08-28-2022 11:36 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  Can they keep Jalen Johnson off the field? Dude sounds like a stud in the making.

Does the transfer portal change how a coach uses his freshman in terms of saving eligibility? If you think I kid is gonna be great do you also think he has a high potential to transfer?
Jalen Johnson was making some noise in practice but the I saw him with a knee brace and not practicing. Doesn't look like he will be playing anytime soon bit I don't have anymore details.

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(08-28-2022 07:10 PM)BigChilla Wrote:  
(08-28-2022 02:11 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
(08-28-2022 01:35 PM)badmoonrising13 Wrote:  Nothing about the defense was a strength last year. They gave up yards and points like it was going out of style. The 2017/2018 defense was dominant, creating turnovers, sacks, and TFL in record pace. I just hope this year’s defense is average and not pathetic like last year. I wanna see at least 25 sacks and 20 turnovers. That would be nice.

I like to tell myself a big part of the issue was inexperience with the system. Thinking and not reacting. This thought let’s me sleep at night.

The defense last season was a mess. It is no longer a mess. The coaches had a **** scheme early on, it is seemingly fixed.

The 2nd youngest team in the NCAA had a young defense (even more with the loss of Pugh) - I am not counting too much against them. They will be better this year thanks to age and transfers (I think white & green-may are going to be huge.). So again, let’s see how this year plays out so we can stop talking about last season being the reason you don’t like guys this season.
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(08-28-2022 09:20 PM)Teamduh Wrote:  
(08-28-2022 11:36 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  Can they keep Jalen Johnson off the field? Dude sounds like a stud in the making.

Does the transfer portal change how a coach uses his freshman in terms of saving eligibility? If you think I kid is gonna be great do you also think he has a high potential to transfer?
Jalen Johnson was making some noise in practice but the I saw him with a knee brace and not practicing. Doesn't look like he will be playing anytime soon bit I don't have anymore details.

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