(08-22-2022 12:11 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I would bet every juggling prop, postcard of a U.S. city skyline, bolo tie, craft beer sticker and percussion instrument I owned 20 years ago that the Big Ten will take more Pac-12 schools.

And you'd win that bet...eventually but might need to wait for payoff

(08-22-2022 11:38 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  I did just did some math...

8 billion / 7 years / 16 teams = 71 million avg per team.

If we keep the existing 16 team at 71 million... the PAC4 come in at 1.5 billion/4/seven years = 50 million and change per.

I like where you are headed but respectfully suggest there is an easier path if (big if), as Frank stated, there is a market for ESPN to buy the 10 pm slot. The four new teams, per your original calculation at $71 million would need to generate $284 million in additional revenue to keep the average intact, right?

ESPN was reportedly willing to offer $30 million per team per year for the remaining PAC schools after USC and UCLA announced they were leaving. Would ESPN offer $30 million each for the 10 pm slot for USC, UCLA, Washington, Oregon, Stanford and Cal knowing that some traditional BIG programs would be coming out to the west coast? If the answer is yes then they provide $180 million per year and FOX/NBC/CBS only need to cough up another $100 million for the four new schools to make up the difference.

Possible?

(08-22-2022 01:29 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Can they contact at their own volition? Is there any conflict of interest if they publicly talk to the B1G? Or can Wazzoo and OSU sue up the ass for not going through the state legislatures first.

You can always sue, the main point is winning or settling.

(08-22-2022 02:15 PM)NotoriousOne Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 11:38 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  I did just did some math...

8 billion / 7 years / 16 teams = 71 million avg per team.

If we keep the existing 16 team at 71 million... the PAC4 come in at 1.5 billion/4/seven years = 50 million and change per.

I like where you are headed but respectfully suggest there is an easier path if (big if), as Frank stated, there is a market for ESPN to buy the 10 pm slot. The four new teams, per your original calculation at $71 million would need to generate $284 million in additional revenue to keep the average intact, right?

ESPN was reportedly willing to offer $30 million per team per year for the remaining PAC schools after USC and UCLA announced they were leaving. Would ESPN offer $30 million each for the 10 pm slot for USC, UCLA, Washington, Oregon, Stanford and Cal knowing that some traditional BIG programs would be coming out to the west coast? If the answer is yes then they provide $180 million per year and FOX/NBC/CBS only need to cough up another $100 million for the four new schools to make up the difference.

Possible?

ESPN isn't willing to pay each PAC 10 school $30M per year....ESPN is willing to pay the PAC 10 up to $300M TOTAL per year, mostly for about 25 games of 10pm ET inventory and a handful of other marquee matchups, like Notre Dame @ Stanford and Ohio State @ Washington.

That analysis does not change much if ESPN were to bid on Big Ten inventory. My hunch is that ESPN would still offer a similar $300M/year deal to the *Big Ten*
for the 10pm ET inventory and a few other marquee matchups, like Notre Dame @ Stanford and Ohio State @ Washington.

(08-22-2022 02:30 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 02:15 PM)NotoriousOne Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 11:38 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  I did just did some math...

8 billion / 7 years / 16 teams = 71 million avg per team.

If we keep the existing 16 team at 71 million... the PAC4 come in at 1.5 billion/4/seven years = 50 million and change per.

I like where you are headed but respectfully suggest there is an easier path if (big if), as Frank stated, there is a market for ESPN to buy the 10 pm slot. The four new teams, per your original calculation at $71 million would need to generate $284 million in additional revenue to keep the average intact, right?

ESPN was reportedly willing to offer $30 million per team per year for the remaining PAC schools after USC and UCLA announced they were leaving. Would ESPN offer $30 million each for the 10 pm slot for USC, UCLA, Washington, Oregon, Stanford and Cal knowing that some traditional BIG programs would be coming out to the west coast? If the answer is yes then they provide $180 million per year and FOX/NBC/CBS only need to cough up another $100 million for the four new schools to make up the difference.

Possible?

ESPN isn't willing to pay each PAC 10 school $30M per year....ESPN is willing to pay the PAC 10 up to $300M TOTAL per year, mostly for about 25 games of 10pm ET inventory and a handful of other marquee matchups, like Notre Dame @ Stanford and Ohio State @ Washington.

That analysis does not change much if ESPN were to bid on Big Ten inventory. My hunch is that ESPN would still offer a similar $300M/year deal to the *Big Ten*
for the 10pm ET inventory and a few other marquee matchups, like Notre Dame @ Stanford and Ohio State @ Washington.

So in your scenario ESPN would finance the entire addition of these four team?

(08-22-2022 01:57 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 01:01 PM)b2b Wrote:  Bottom line here is that it makes zero sense for USC and UCLA to be on an island. I know that the Big 10 homers here think they were a home run add and they are.... in a vacuum. In reality at least one of them has to be a legitimate CFP competitor if they want to be competitive on the field w/ the SEC. I don't see that happening if they don't have a true western wing. The travel is going to catch up in a big way.

It's 1100 miles to Seattle vs 1700 to chicago or 2500 to happy valley. So, yeah, the travel is worse, but when you're flying that's only an extra 1-2 hours. Pay me an extra $40m+ per year and I could spend a bit more time on travel.

Put another way, it's faster to fly to happy valley than it is to drive to any Pac schools. The whole "they need travel buddies" idea is just red meat they're throwing to get us all stirred up. That doesn't mean that this thing isn't happening, but if it does, it won't be due to travel concerns for the new guys.

I think that this whole thing smacks of leftover Pac teams negotiating through the media. Negotiating for unequal revenue sharing and a shorter GoR if they end up stuck in the Pac or big 12, and negotiating for a groundswell of support from their fanbase to encourage the B1G to give them an invite.

All fine and dandy but the travel burden is on USC and UCLA, not anybody else. I'm talking about competing ON THE FIELD... not in their checkbooks. This is going to catch up w/ USC and UCLA as the season wears on.

(08-22-2022 02:36 PM)NotoriousOne Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 02:30 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 02:15 PM)NotoriousOne Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 11:38 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  I did just did some math...

8 billion / 7 years / 16 teams = 71 million avg per team.

If we keep the existing 16 team at 71 million... the PAC4 come in at 1.5 billion/4/seven years = 50 million and change per.

I like where you are headed but respectfully suggest there is an easier path if (big if), as Frank stated, there is a market for ESPN to buy the 10 pm slot. The four new teams, per your original calculation at $71 million would need to generate $284 million in additional revenue to keep the average intact, right?

ESPN was reportedly willing to offer $30 million per team per year for the remaining PAC schools after USC and UCLA announced they were leaving. Would ESPN offer $30 million each for the 10 pm slot for USC, UCLA, Washington, Oregon, Stanford and Cal knowing that some traditional BIG programs would be coming out to the west coast? If the answer is yes then they provide $180 million per year and FOX/NBC/CBS only need to cough up another $100 million for the four new schools to make up the difference.

Possible?

ESPN isn't willing to pay each PAC 10 school $30M per year....ESPN is willing to pay the PAC 10 up to $300M TOTAL per year, mostly for about 25 games of 10pm ET inventory and a handful of other marquee matchups, like Notre Dame @ Stanford and Ohio State @ Washington.

That analysis does not change much if ESPN were to bid on Big Ten inventory. My hunch is that ESPN would still offer a similar $300M/year deal to the *Big Ten*
for the 10pm ET inventory and a few other marquee matchups, like Notre Dame @ Stanford and Ohio State @ Washington.

So in your scenario ESPN would finance the entire addition of these four team?

ESPN and B1G aren't in a very good place right now, seems unlikely that ESPN would waltz in and offer them $300m now after getting shafted in the last discussion. Perhaps Amazon would be interested though, they were willing to offer a lot just to get into the game and were turned down for easily understood reasons.

(08-22-2022 02:10 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 01:57 PM)Poster Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 01:48 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 12:41 PM)Poster Wrote:  I don’t recall a previous occasion where a team “talked” with another conference, the talks actually went public, and the school didn’t end up making the move.

A&M/OU/texas/OSU/tech/colorado to the Pac in 2010. Only Colorado ended up going.

True, but that was a situation where the schools had about a foot and a half out the door before deciding at the last second not to make the move. It wasn’t a situation where there was a risk that the schools might get rejected by the conference they were trying to join.


Plus realignment is a lot quieter now than it was in the 2010s. The OUUY and USCUCLA moves pretty much came out of nowhere.


Considering that the Big 10 invited Rutgers a decade ago, I question if their standards to get admitted to the conference are really that high. It’s very hard to argue that Rutgers has value but these West Coast schools wouldn’t have value.

Considering that their media deal looks to be every bit the equal of ours, I'm not questioning any of their moves. What I do question is if Phil Knight will be able to convince them to Oregon. My gut tells me no, but it's tough to count him out. He has so much freakin' money, he could create a $750m B1G-only scholarship fund or something like that. And, unlike ESPN, I'd wager that he's not worried one bit about his bottom line, he just wants his Ducks in the Big Time.

Will be interesting to see how he approaches Slive if the B1G puts him off too long.

I have no inside information but I am 99.9% confident that Knight has already reached out to Slive or to someone with close connections to Slive. Oregon wants the B1G but like Missouri would happily accept an SEC invitation if the B1G is not an option.

(08-22-2022 02:15 PM)NotoriousOne Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 11:38 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  I did just did some math...

8 billion / 7 years / 16 teams = 71 million avg per team.

If we keep the existing 16 team at 71 million... the PAC4 come in at 1.5 billion/4/seven years = 50 million and change per.

I like where you are headed but respectfully suggest there is an easier path if (big if), as Frank stated, there is a market for ESPN to buy the 10 pm slot. The four new teams, per your original calculation at $71 million would need to generate $284 million in additional revenue to keep the average intact, right?

ESPN was reportedly willing to offer $30 million per team per year for the remaining PAC schools after USC and UCLA announced they were leaving. Would ESPN offer $30 million each for the 10 pm slot for USC, UCLA, Washington, Oregon, Stanford and Cal knowing that some traditional BIG programs would be coming out to the west coast? If the answer is yes then they provide $180 million per year and FOX/NBC/CBS only need to cough up another $100 million for the four new schools to make up the difference.

Possible?

We know it's going to be two late games in addition to secondary and tertiary games on Saturday late afternoons. But the Friday prime time and Saturday late night is where the tier 1 will go. The remaining late nights (Thursday/Friday) will probably be used as test cases a handful of times a year.

We have to take USC/UCLA out of it because that's a separate negotiation for ESPN at this point.

PAC4 = let's say 7 home games = 28 games extra. 280 million / 28 = 10 million per game to match the current B1G 16 average.

If you paid 280 million to the current PAC 10 per year, that's already almost 30 million per team. That's about 65-70 home games or about 4-4.5 million per game.

There is no way tier 1/2 late night with a handful of B1G teams like Rutgers/Illinois going west (and existing intra PAC4 hosting each other or UCLA/USC) is generating a 2.5x multiplier. The multiplier should be closer to 1.5x.

The escalator would be 9-9.5 at the max end, meaning at least an extra billion for the PAC4 over the seven years.

(08-22-2022 01:15 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  The four corners and OSU/WSU need to run to the Big 12 to see who gets a seat and doesn't get left out of the musical chairs.

According to John Canzano there has been no contact between The PAC and The Big 12. Don’t know if he’s just full of it or if he has contacts.

“• I asked a South Division AD that I haven’t previously quoted about the Big 12. Is that conference actively trying to poach Pac-12 teams? He said, “I don’t know where all this stuff comes from. There have been no offers or conversations. I’ve been in no dark rooms. It’s insane.”

Canzano actually mentions The PAC poaching some Big 12 programs.

“ • UNLV? SMU? Fresno State? Boise State? I dunno. It feels to me like poaching a Big 12 team… or five… would be a better option for the Pac-12 than diluting the conference with a few less-than-ideal candidates. I’d rather have Baylor, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State and maybe 1-2 others.”

https://www.johncanzano.com/p/canzano-ph...lking-with

(08-22-2022 02:41 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  According to John Canzano there has been no contact between The PAC and The Big 12. Don’t know if he’s just full of it or if he has contacts.

“• I asked a South Division AD that I haven’t previously quoted about the Big 12. Is that conference actively trying to poach Pac-12 teams? He said, “I don’t know where all this stuff comes from. There have been no offers or conversations. I’ve been in no dark rooms. It’s insane.”

Canzano actually mentions The PAC poaching some Big 12 programs.

“ • UNLV? SMU? Fresno State? Boise State? I dunno. It feels to me like poaching a Big 12 team… or five… would be a better option for the Pac-12 than diluting the conference with a few less-than-ideal candidates. I’d rather have Baylor, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State and maybe 1-2 others.”

https://www.johncanzano.com/p/canzano-ph...lking-with

What the **** is this dude talking about... no 80 million exit fee to worry about I guess. Please stop quoting this guy (not you per say, but I'm done clicking on his links).

(08-22-2022 02:38 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 01:57 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 01:01 PM)b2b Wrote:  Bottom line here is that it makes zero sense for USC and UCLA to be on an island. I know that the Big 10 homers here think they were a home run add and they are.... in a vacuum. In reality at least one of them has to be a legitimate CFP competitor if they want to be competitive on the field w/ the SEC. I don't see that happening if they don't have a true western wing. The travel is going to catch up in a big way.

It's 1100 miles to Seattle vs 1700 to chicago or 2500 to happy valley. So, yeah, the travel is worse, but when you're flying that's only an extra 1-2 hours. Pay me an extra $40m+ per year and I could spend a bit more time on travel.

Put another way, it's faster to fly to happy valley than it is to drive to any Pac schools. The whole "they need travel buddies" idea is just red meat they're throwing to get us all stirred up. That doesn't mean that this thing isn't happening, but if it does, it won't be due to travel concerns for the new guys.

I think that this whole thing smacks of leftover Pac teams negotiating through the media. Negotiating for unequal revenue sharing and a shorter GoR if they end up stuck in the Pac or big 12, and negotiating for a groundswell of support from their fanbase to encourage the B1G to give them an invite.

All fine and dandy but the travel burden is on USC and UCLA, not anybody else. I'm talking about competing ON THE FIELD... not in their checkbooks. This is going to catch up w/ USC and UCLA as the season wears on.

Another factor besides travel distance is the time zones. The PAC currently has only Pacific and Mountain time zones to deal with so we're only talking about an hour. Going to the B1G means coast to coast 2 & 3 hour differences. Adding more schools on the west coast will at the very least attempt to limit that issue.

(08-22-2022 02:41 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 01:15 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  The four corners and OSU/WSU need to run to the Big 12 to see who gets a seat and doesn't get left out of the musical chairs.

According to John Canzano there has been no contact between The PAC and The Big 12. Don’t know if he’s just full of it or if he has contacts.

“• I asked a South Division AD that I haven’t previously quoted about the Big 12. Is that conference actively trying to poach Pac-12 teams? He said, “I don’t know where all this stuff comes from. There have been no offers or conversations. I’ve been in no dark rooms. It’s insane.”

Canzano actually mentions The PAC poaching some Big 12 programs.

“ • UNLV? SMU? Fresno State? Boise State? I dunno. It feels to me like poaching a Big 12 team… or five… would be a better option for the Pac-12 than diluting the conference with a few less-than-ideal candidates. I’d rather have Baylor, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State and maybe 1-2 others.”

https://www.johncanzano.com/p/canzano-ph...lking-with

conferences don't poach. teams apply and get accepted or not.

(08-22-2022 02:50 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 02:41 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  According to John Canzano there has been no contact between The PAC and The Big 12. Don’t know if he’s just full of it or if he has contacts.

“• I asked a South Division AD that I haven’t previously quoted about the Big 12. Is that conference actively trying to poach Pac-12 teams? He said, “I don’t know where all this stuff comes from. There have been no offers or conversations. I’ve been in no dark rooms. It’s insane.”

Canzano actually mentions The PAC poaching some Big 12 programs.

“ • UNLV? SMU? Fresno State? Boise State? I dunno. It feels to me like poaching a Big 12 team… or five… would be a better option for the Pac-12 than diluting the conference with a few less-than-ideal candidates. I’d rather have Baylor, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State and maybe 1-2 others.”

https://www.johncanzano.com/p/canzano-ph...lking-with

What the **** is this dude talking about... no 80 million exit fee to worry about I guess. Please stop quoting this guy (not you per say, but I'm done clicking on his links).

He is recognizing that both the PAC and Big 12 have something to offer the other. He, like many others, are hung up on their branding bias and believe that any movement necessary would happen under the PAC umbrella. The reality is, no Big 12 team is going to move or vote with an $80M exit fee around their necks when the same movements and benefits can be realized by having the PAC teams go East.

The only way Big 12 teams go west, IMO, is if the easternmost teams are absorbed by the ACC (Cincy, WVU, and UCF). I don't think you will see that vote from the ACC happen, but that is what would be required. The future path of that Tier 1 of the SEC and B1G and a Tier 2 of the PAC and ACC.

More likely, the Big 12 expands with four PAC schools and then looks East. Being centrally rooted with eastern and western wings gives the Big 12 more flexibility than just the PAC or the ACC can offer. You wind up with three 20-24 team mega conferences.

(08-22-2022 02:41 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 01:15 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  The four corners and OSU/WSU need to run to the Big 12 to see who gets a seat and doesn't get left out of the musical chairs.

According to John Canzano there has been no contact between The PAC and The Big 12. Don’t know if he’s just full of it or if he has contacts.

“• I asked a South Division AD that I haven’t previously quoted about the Big 12. Is that conference actively trying to poach Pac-12 teams? He said, “I don’t know where all this stuff comes from. There have been no offers or conversations. I’ve been in no dark rooms. It’s insane.”

Canzano actually mentions The PAC poaching some Big 12 programs.

“ • UNLV? SMU? Fresno State? Boise State? I dunno. It feels to me like poaching a Big 12 team… or five… would be a better option for the Pac-12 than diluting the conference with a few less-than-ideal candidates. I’d rather have Baylor, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State and maybe 1-2 others.”

https://www.johncanzano.com/p/canzano-ph...lking-with

If the PAC could pull it off I think they'd be wise to grab TCU, Kansas, Houston, and San Diego State. The Big XII takes Memphis, USF, and UAB. The AAC backfills with WKU, MTSU, and Louisiana Tech. The MWC adds UTEP to replace SDSU. Liberty, Sam Houston, Jacksonville State, and NMSU invite EKU, Missouri State, Kennesaw, Stephen F. Austin, and a couple more FCS schools to make the move to FBS, or they dissolve CUSA, split the exit fees, and then create scheduling alliances with each other and Army, UMass, and UConn, and pray that they can fill out a 12 game schedule.

(08-22-2022 03:00 PM)CarlSmithCenter Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 02:41 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 01:15 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  The four corners and OSU/WSU need to run to the Big 12 to see who gets a seat and doesn't get left out of the musical chairs.

According to John Canzano there has been no contact between The PAC and The Big 12. Don’t know if he’s just full of it or if he has contacts.

“• I asked a South Division AD that I haven’t previously quoted about the Big 12. Is that conference actively trying to poach Pac-12 teams? He said, “I don’t know where all this stuff comes from. There have been no offers or conversations. I’ve been in no dark rooms. It’s insane.”

Canzano actually mentions The PAC poaching some Big 12 programs.

“ • UNLV? SMU? Fresno State? Boise State? I dunno. It feels to me like poaching a Big 12 team… or five… would be a better option for the Pac-12 than diluting the conference with a few less-than-ideal candidates. I’d rather have Baylor, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State and maybe 1-2 others.”

https://www.johncanzano.com/p/canzano-ph...lking-with

If the PAC could pull it off I think they'd be wise to grab TCU, Kansas, Houston, and San Diego State. The Big XII takes Memphis, USF, and UAB. The AAC backfills with WKU, MTSU, and Louisiana Tech. The MWC adds UTEP to replace SDSU. Liberty, Sam Houston, Jacksonville State, and NMSU invite EKU, Missouri State, Kennesaw, Stephen F. Austin, and a couple more FCS schools to make the move to FBS, or they dissolve CUSA, split the exit fees, and then create scheduling alliances with each other and Army, UMass, and UConn, and pray that they can fill out a 12 game schedule.

If the B1G had stated that they were done unless ND wanted in, then I could see the PAC having a possibility of adding some Big 12 schools. But with the constant threat of losing more schools to the B1G, I just don't see how they can do it.

(08-22-2022 02:59 PM)Sicembear11 Wrote:  He is recognizing that both the PAC and Big 12 have something to offer the other. He, like many others, are hung up on their branding bias and believe that any movement necessary would happen under the PAC umbrella. The reality is, no Big 12 team is going to move or vote with an $80M exit fee around their necks when the same movements and benefits can be realized by having the PAC teams go East.

The only way Big 12 teams go west, IMO, is if the easternmost teams are absorbed by the ACC (Cincy, WVU, and UCF). I don't think you will see that vote from the ACC happen, but that is what would be required. The future path of that Tier 1 of the SEC and B1G and a Tier 2 of the PAC and ACC.

More likely, the Big 12 expands with four PAC schools and then looks East. Being centrally rooted with eastern and western wings gives the Big 12 more flexibility than just the PAC or the ACC can offer. You wind up with three 20-24 team mega conferences.

It's going to remain the Big # regardless of what happens. The PAC will cease to exist as a brand. The PAC4 simply cannot survive without LA (again, 30 million dollar average valuation kills them).

WVU, UC, UCF are not going to want SDSU OSU WSU. The former programs are way more valuable. ESPN can move the eastern schools into the ACC to open up more late night spots on PTZ (SDSU WSU OSU in particular) in this Western Big # conference. Or they stand pat with just the Corner 4, meaning SDSU, OSU/WSU won't be added.

It can go either way. I do feel there is incentive to move UC and UCF out now if the Big 12 wants SDSU and pacific northwest time zones, but only if ESPN needs more late night TV programming. I don't think Fox cares about UC/UCF although they'd give up a Fla chip if they facilitate additional pacific schools. Fox certainly doesn't care about WVU.

You could have ESPN move WVU/UC in for FSU/Clemson to open up two Pacific schools joining the Big 12 to open that negotiating window (they'd already have the corner 4 locked in at this point).

(08-22-2022 03:10 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 03:00 PM)CarlSmithCenter Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 02:41 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 01:15 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  The four corners and OSU/WSU need to run to the Big 12 to see who gets a seat and doesn't get left out of the musical chairs.

According to John Canzano there has been no contact between The PAC and The Big 12. Don’t know if he’s just full of it or if he has contacts.

“• I asked a South Division AD that I haven’t previously quoted about the Big 12. Is that conference actively trying to poach Pac-12 teams? He said, “I don’t know where all this stuff comes from. There have been no offers or conversations. I’ve been in no dark rooms. It’s insane.”

Canzano actually mentions The PAC poaching some Big 12 programs.

“ • UNLV? SMU? Fresno State? Boise State? I dunno. It feels to me like poaching a Big 12 team… or five… would be a better option for the Pac-12 than diluting the conference with a few less-than-ideal candidates. I’d rather have Baylor, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State and maybe 1-2 others.”

https://www.johncanzano.com/p/canzano-ph...lking-with

If the PAC could pull it off I think they'd be wise to grab TCU, Kansas, Houston, and San Diego State. The Big XII takes Memphis, USF, and UAB. The AAC backfills with WKU, MTSU, and Louisiana Tech. The MWC adds UTEP to replace SDSU. Liberty, Sam Houston, Jacksonville State, and NMSU invite EKU, Missouri State, Kennesaw, Stephen F. Austin, and a couple more FCS schools to make the move to FBS, or they dissolve CUSA, split the exit fees, and then create scheduling alliances with each other and Army, UMass, and UConn, and pray that they can fill out a 12 game schedule.

If the B1G had stated that they were done unless ND wanted in, then I could see the PAC having a possibility of adding some Big 12 schools. But with the constant threat of losing more schools to the B1G, I just don't see how they can do it.

An unspoken assumption in my proposal was that the current PAC-10 schools would have to sign an airtight GoR that ran longer than the new B1G TV deals; otherwise, I think you are 100% right. Selfishly, I'd like to see the PAC poach some Big XII schools so that the B1G pivots and adds UNC, and then Virginia gets to tag along with Duke and either Georgia Tech or ND.

(08-22-2022 02:14 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 12:11 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I would bet every juggling prop, postcard of a U.S. city skyline, bolo tie, craft beer sticker and percussion instrument I owned 20 years ago that the Big Ten will take more Pac-12 schools.

And you'd win that bet...eventually but might need to wait for payoff

Now that I see the info about Phil Knight (Oregon), my bet seems even safer (not that it would be a bold gamble — as all those items would be worthless other than to me).

(08-22-2022 02:40 PM)MadisonHawk Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 02:10 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 01:57 PM)Poster Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 01:48 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 12:41 PM)Poster Wrote:  I don’t recall a previous occasion where a team “talked” with another conference, the talks actually went public, and the school didn’t end up making the move.

A&M/OU/texas/OSU/tech/colorado to the Pac in 2010. Only Colorado ended up going.

True, but that was a situation where the schools had about a foot and a half out the door before deciding at the last second not to make the move. It wasn’t a situation where there was a risk that the schools might get rejected by the conference they were trying to join.


Plus realignment is a lot quieter now than it was in the 2010s. The OUUY and USCUCLA moves pretty much came out of nowhere.


Considering that the Big 10 invited Rutgers a decade ago, I question if their standards to get admitted to the conference are really that high. It’s very hard to argue that Rutgers has value but these West Coast schools wouldn’t have value.

Considering that their media deal looks to be every bit the equal of ours, I'm not questioning any of their moves. What I do question is if Phil Knight will be able to convince them to Oregon. My gut tells me no, but it's tough to count him out. He has so much freakin' money, he could create a $750m B1G-only scholarship fund or something like that. And, unlike ESPN, I'd wager that he's not worried one bit about his bottom line, he just wants his Ducks in the Big Time.

Will be interesting to see how he approaches Slive if the B1G puts him off too long.

I have no inside information but I am 99.9% confident that Knight has already reached out to Slive or to someone with close connections to Slive. Oregon wants the B1G but like Missouri would happily accept an SEC invitation if the B1G is not an option.

I know that it's not a Regional Fit at all, but I'd be very happy to snag Oregon and UW even if they're just revenue neutral. They're both Brands, they both have enthusiastic support, and they'd be awesome Road Trips. The fact that it would irk Warren and really put a crimp into his westward expansion would just be icing on the cake.

I don't see them joining the SEC though. If there was mutual interest, either of them would take the offer to the B1G first, and they would both later join the B1G if an offer was forthcoming 5,10,20 years down the road.