(08-22-2022 07:06 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 06:28 PM)e-parade Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 05:51 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 10:59 AM)1845 Bear Wrote:  Article on SicEm365 has a lot on it.

https://sicem365.com/s/13021/how-do-the-...n-viewers/

Where?
I want to see the individual listing of each University in The ACC, The PAC and The Big 12.

I see comments about The ACC being top heavy. Yet I see nothing to confirm that.

It's not obvious, but these charts show it:




The first one shows the current ACC performs better than the PAC10 or the Big 12 (new alignments).

The second one shows what happens when you removed Clemson and FSU (just above the AAC), and then also Miami (just below of the AAC). I think those AAC numbers are prior to realignment as opposed to after it though.

So it means it's very top heavy, because they're averages and not raw numbers.


But yeah, it doesn't give you access to the individual schools here.

I read that to mean that the SEC and B1G are just as top heavy as the ACC, if not more so. The drop from 1-2-3 in all 3 of those conferences is pretty significant though.

The SEC and Big Ten don't have the same fall off though. If you take away Bama and UGA you still have massive numbers from UF, LSU, Auburn, Tennessee, A&M, and Ole Miss. Take away Ohio State and Michigan and you still have large showings from PSU, Nebraska, MSU, Wisconsin, etc. Those two have a TON of high level brands. Much more so than the other three do.

(08-22-2022 07:13 PM)bullet Wrote:  The reason he is showing the top games to to demonstrate why you have to compare similar numbers of games. If you have one conference with a much larger number of games, its average will be lower than a similar conference with fewer games, because the first conference is being rated more on its bottom games. For the other conference, those games might be buried on the BTN/ACCN/PTN and not rated.

One reason why I think the PAC/AAC/Big 12 numbers re difficult to forecast post-realignment is that, in all three(except maybe the PAC?), the schools leaving were given the good time slots. It's tough to ballpark how Washington/Memphis/Baylor will do in slots generally held by USC/UCF/Oklahoma.

(08-22-2022 07:04 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 12:16 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 12:08 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  Shocked at how top heavy the ACC was and how the B1G showed up in 2021.

The top-heaviness of the ACC was not much of a surprise to me. Really smacks that bs study that has been circulating that Syracuse has the 16tg largest fan base in the country.

As to the B10 viewership, I think people outside the region fail to understand how many students and alumni are cranked out at all these schools. Even middling football schools like Indiana and Purdue have like 700k living alumni each. Unlike the northeast and the west coast, people in the Midwest watch a lot of college football. Even if people from the Midwest may leave the area to live elsewhere, they still follow their alma mater and/or Big State U. That will equate to a lot of viewers.

If Cuse was 12-0 and getting great time slots they would track much better. Syracuse has a large fan base but it is shallow right now due to 20 years of mostly subpar Football.

Look at Hoops....they led the nation in attendance despite a losing record.

Nobody doubts Syracuse is an ELITE hoops fanbase.

Football appears to be the question here.

Everyone tracks better with success but when has Syracuse recently had any game not against Clemson, FSU, or Miami go for more than 2 million viewers in a football regular season?

(08-22-2022 07:13 PM)bullet Wrote:  The reason he is showing the top games to to demonstrate why you have to compare similar numbers of games. If you have one conference with a much larger number of games, its average will be lower than a similar conference with fewer games, because the first conference is being rated more on its bottom games. For the other conference, those games might be buried on the BTN/ACCN/PTN and not rated.

Exactly- the Vandy and Miami example from the article shows how not controlling for number of games can mislead.

(08-22-2022 08:01 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 07:04 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 12:16 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 12:08 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  Shocked at how top heavy the ACC was and how the B1G showed up in 2021.

The top-heaviness of the ACC was not much of a surprise to me. Really smacks that bs study that has been circulating that Syracuse has the 16tg largest fan base in the country.

As to the B10 viewership, I think people outside the region fail to understand how many students and alumni are cranked out at all these schools. Even middling football schools like Indiana and Purdue have like 700k living alumni each. Unlike the northeast and the west coast, people in the Midwest watch a lot of college football. Even if people from the Midwest may leave the area to live elsewhere, they still follow their alma mater and/or Big State U. That will equate to a lot of viewers.

If Cuse was 12-0 and getting great time slots they would track much better. Syracuse has a large fan base but it is shallow right now due to 20 years of mostly subpar Football.

Look at Hoops....they led the nation in attendance despite a losing record.

Nobody doubts Syracuse is an ELITE hoops fanbase.

Football appears to be the question here.

Everyone tracks better with success but when has Syracuse recently had any game not against Clemson, FSU, or Miami go for more than 2 million viewers in a football regular season?

Our last great season 2018 they drew nearly 5M for an afternoon weekday bowl game. They had 20K+ fans in Orlando for that game. Earlier in 2018 they drew 4.5M for a noon ABC game.

Cuse FB fans are frontrunners...when the team does well they watch and show.

Syracuse hasn't been in a prime slot vs other teams...well besides Notre Dame. Tough to draw on ESPN2.

(08-22-2022 08:36 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 08:01 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 07:04 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 12:16 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 12:08 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  Shocked at how top heavy the ACC was and how the B1G showed up in 2021.

The top-heaviness of the ACC was not much of a surprise to me. Really smacks that bs study that has been circulating that Syracuse has the 16tg largest fan base in the country.

As to the B10 viewership, I think people outside the region fail to understand how many students and alumni are cranked out at all these schools. Even middling football schools like Indiana and Purdue have like 700k living alumni each. Unlike the northeast and the west coast, people in the Midwest watch a lot of college football. Even if people from the Midwest may leave the area to live elsewhere, they still follow their alma mater and/or Big State U. That will equate to a lot of viewers.

If Cuse was 12-0 and getting great time slots they would track much better. Syracuse has a large fan base but it is shallow right now due to 20 years of mostly subpar Football.

Look at Hoops....they led the nation in attendance despite a losing record.

Nobody doubts Syracuse is an ELITE hoops fanbase.

Football appears to be the question here.

Everyone tracks better with success but when has Syracuse recently had any game not against Clemson, FSU, or Miami go for more than 2 million viewers in a football regular season?

Our last great season 2018 they drew nearly 5M for an afternoon weekday bowl game. They had 20K+ fans in Orlando for that game. Earlier in 2018 they drew 4.5M for a noon ABC game.

Cuse FB fans are frontrunners...when the team does well they watch and show.

Syracuse hasn't been in a prime slot vs other teams...well besides Notre Dame. Tough to draw on ESPN2.

1- That 2018 ABC game was against #3 Clemson... tough to say that number was because of Syracuse alone.

2- Bowl games tend to be more related to the time slot the bowl is in than the team. I tend to ignore bowls as the data isn't as relevant. Syracuse WVU drew 4.8 in that Friday before New Years bowl week spot. The comparable games in 2019 (OkSt-A&M) drew 4.9M and 4.6M. (Nw-UK)

3- Syracuse hasn't had ABC windows without them however they've had several ESPN windows that can get to 2M with the right draw. Not a ton of cracks at it though.

Not attacking Syracuse but it's safe to say that #16 fanbase ranking clearly wasn't focused on football. We can easily name 16 football fanbases that have much more reliable support that don't need to be front runners. Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Texas, OU, Texas A&M, Wisconsin, Michigan State, Florida State, Clemson, and a few more. That said Syracuse is still a valuable property- I just think that ranking inflated it a bit.

(08-23-2022 10:49 AM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 08:36 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 08:01 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 07:04 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 12:16 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  The top-heaviness of the ACC was not much of a surprise to me. Really smacks that bs study that has been circulating that Syracuse has the 16tg largest fan base in the country.

As to the B10 viewership, I think people outside the region fail to understand how many students and alumni are cranked out at all these schools. Even middling football schools like Indiana and Purdue have like 700k living alumni each. Unlike the northeast and the west coast, people in the Midwest watch a lot of college football. Even if people from the Midwest may leave the area to live elsewhere, they still follow their alma mater and/or Big State U. That will equate to a lot of viewers.

If Cuse was 12-0 and getting great time slots they would track much better. Syracuse has a large fan base but it is shallow right now due to 20 years of mostly subpar Football.

Look at Hoops....they led the nation in attendance despite a losing record.

Nobody doubts Syracuse is an ELITE hoops fanbase.

Football appears to be the question here.

Everyone tracks better with success but when has Syracuse recently had any game not against Clemson, FSU, or Miami go for more than 2 million viewers in a football regular season?

Our last great season 2018 they drew nearly 5M for an afternoon weekday bowl game. They had 20K+ fans in Orlando for that game. Earlier in 2018 they drew 4.5M for a noon ABC game.

Cuse FB fans are frontrunners...when the team does well they watch and show.

Syracuse hasn't been in a prime slot vs other teams...well besides Notre Dame. Tough to draw on ESPN2.

1- That 2018 ABC game was against #3 Clemson... tough to say that number was because of Syracuse alone.

2- Bowl games tend to be more related to the time slot the bowl is in than the team. I tend to ignore bowls as the data isn't as relevant. Syracuse WVU drew 4.8 in that Friday before New Years bowl week spot. The comparable games in 2019 (OkSt-A&M) drew 4.9M and 4.6M. (Nw-UK)

3- Syracuse hasn't had ABC windows without them however they've had several ESPN windows that can get to 2M with the right draw. Not a ton of cracks at it though.

Not attacking Syracuse but it's safe to say that #16 fanbase ranking clearly wasn't focused on football. We can easily name 16 football fanbases that have much more reliable support that don't need to be front runners. Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Texas, OU, Texas A&M, Wisconsin, Michigan State, Florida State, Clemson, and a few more. That said Syracuse is still a valuable property- I just think that ranking inflated it a bit.

No argument here...They are easily a Top 10 Basketball fan base, Football I would guess would more like in the 30s or 40s. We have a large base of softcore fans and a much smaller base of hardcore FB fans. Many of our fans live in large Metros and have divided loyalties between pro and college. The hardcore local fan is literally a ring of 60-90 miles around the school.

(08-22-2022 05:51 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 10:59 AM)1845 Bear Wrote:  Article on SicEm365 has a lot on it.

https://sicem365.com/s/13021/how-do-the-...n-viewers/

Where?
I want to see the individual listing of each University in The ACC, The PAC and The Big 12.

I see comments about The ACC being top heavy. Yet I see nothing to confirm that.

The individual school article just dropped. UL looks good right behind FSU, Miami, & Clemson.

https://sicem365.com/s/13048/how-many-vi...am-attract