The following updated Top 60 NCAA National Statistics show why Toledo is an elite offensive team as they rank in the Top 60 in the following 11 Categories:
Scoring – 84.9 (3rd)
Turnovers – 10 (9th)
Assists to Turnover Ratio – 1.52 (12th)
Field Goal % - .488 (14th)
3-point % - .386 (14th)
Effective Field Goal % - .558 (17th)
Fast Break Poiints - 13.12 (34th)
Turnover Margin – 3.0 (34th)
Free Throw % - .751 (41st)
Assists per Game – 15.2 (52nd)
3-point Shots Made – 8.6 (58th)

https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basket...efficiency

#1 points per posession. 294th for the D.

Tennessee #1 in defensive efficiency, horrible on offense. Wonder if it means anything?

(02-09-2023 10:10 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basket...efficiency

#1 points per posession. 294th for the D.

TK mentions regularly on his Radio Show that he looks at this Statistic as the true indicator of how good the offense is doing, even over points per game. I guess he must be "extremely satisfied" this week!

(02-09-2023 01:18 PM)rockytop Wrote:  Tennessee #1 in defensive efficiency, horrible on offense. Wonder if it means anything?

Houston 2nd and 2nd. I don't have to be expert to figure out what that means.

I wouldn't tout our first while holding down 294th on the defensive side. I think I'd just quietly let it be.

18-6 with an improving bench I'll take to settle my nerves.

(02-09-2023 04:28 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(02-09-2023 01:18 PM)rockytop Wrote:  Tennessee #1 in defensive efficiency, horrible on offense. Wonder if it means anything?

Houston 2nd and 2nd. I don't have to be expert to figure out what that means.

I wouldn't tout our first while holding down 294th on the defensive side. I think I'd just quietly let it be.

18-6 with an improving bench I'll take to settle my nerves.

This. Better to stay humble and remember how bad our defense can be. TK teams tend not to handle any hype all that well.

The team and coach K don't seem to be into defense, and the numbers reflect this. That isn't saying the can't improve, because I think they can. They have 8 games to work on it, until the showdown in Cleveland, which will be our entire season.

Git r done!

There were a couple instances in the Akron game, I thought they were switching well, all seemed aware of who on Akron was where. Things is, Edu was in. He'd get drawn out to the key then when someone switched in, he fell back to the basket and prevented someone from ducking under for the pass and a free basket.

Moss particularly will just back off someone with the ball. During thread I mentioned often I will see a UT player back-off when the ball drives just inside the three, player stops and steps back outside the 3. Instead of following, the Toledo player freezes where the ball reversed. It would be one thing of the opposing player was actually someone that drives to the basket or doesn't have a 3. It's usually someone specializes in the 3. The Toledo player freezes inside the line and waits to see what ball does. Teams with recognied D, follow the ball back out. If it drives past you, that's what teammates are for but don't give an open look 3 to a 3-pt specialist.

Kelvin Sampson has found his mark with the Houston Cougars after some tough years at IU.

(02-09-2023 10:39 PM)Springboromark Wrote:  Kelvin Sampson has found his mark with the Houston Cougars after some tough years at IU.

People like Patino amaze, they seem to go into any situation and be able to improve it. Sampson just needed to find the right place I guess. I do miss coaches like Tark and McGuire, with personality. Moss would make an interesting coach.

I may not agree the stat is particularly important, in context of the defensive stat but at least the team isn't boring. It's not the same game, every game.

I watch two teams. The other one, same every game. Launch it from outside. If it misses, hope big guy catches it and puts it back. Or pass it to big guy and let him dump it over everyone else's head. Every play, the same. They don't have to adjust. The plan works or it doesn't. I do appreciate they go deep into the bench to develop players. K doesn't do that up 30 with 12 minutes to go. That gets boring to me. I like to see players, play. K does seem to be putting more combos on the floor, different mixes of personality, even in crunch time. These are the adjustments and strategies I enjoy watching, even if they don't work.

(02-10-2023 10:04 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  I may not agree the stat is particularly important, in context of the defensive stat but at least the team isn't boring. It's not the same game, every game.

I watch two teams. The other one, same every game. Launch it from outside. If it misses, hope big guy catches it and puts it back. Or pass it to big guy and let him dump it over everyone else's head. Every play, the same. They don't have to adjust. The plan works or it doesn't. I do appreciate they go deep into the bench to develop players. K doesn't do that up 30 with 12 minutes to go. That gets boring to me. I like to see players, play. K does seem to be putting more combos on the floor, different mixes of personality, even in crunch time. These are the adjustments and strategies I enjoy watching, even if they don't work.

We have more bench than usual. Some of the recent teams who have won the MAC didn't necessarily go deep. In 2020 we had zero bench and had no layoffs from covid. I felt that season, teams who got covid postponements were fresher, not deeper.

If not for the redshirt rule; Cochran, Lorenston and Farmer would be getting mins. Jacoby also sitting because of our teams makeup. He is sitting as a luxury. Now it's mostly Farmer and Lorenston with Hill getting "some" time. It's improvement.

(02-10-2023 11:05 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(02-10-2023 10:04 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  I may not agree the stat is particularly important, in context of the defensive stat but at least the team isn't boring. It's not the same game, every game.

I watch two teams. The other one, same every game. Launch it from outside. If it misses, hope big guy catches it and puts it back. Or pass it to big guy and let him dump it over everyone else's head. Every play, the same. They don't have to adjust. The plan works or it doesn't. I do appreciate they go deep into the bench to develop players. K doesn't do that up 30 with 12 minutes to go. That gets boring to me. I like to see players, play. K does seem to be putting more combos on the floor, different mixes of personality, even in crunch time. These are the adjustments and strategies I enjoy watching, even if they don't work.

We have more bench than usual. Some of the recent teams who have won the MAC didn't necessarily go deep. In 2020 we had zero bench and had no layoffs from covid. I felt that season, teams who got covid postponements were fresher, not deeper.

If not for the redshirt rule; Cochran, Lorenston and Farmer would be getting mins. Jacoby also sitting because of our teams makeup. He is sitting as a luxury. Now it's mostly Farmer and Lorenston with Hill getting "some" time. It's improvement.

I think Edu and Lorenston and K are still finding their place, where and when those players skills are reliable to put in and with who else on the floor. Cochran would have been a nice luxury. Beyond providing rest for others, when healthy he had a few things he could do better. I'm not sure he provided anything completely unique.

Farmer definitely provides some unique skills, with his speed and jump. But they're a trade-off.

Some nice problems to have.

Forgot about Edu. So we are playing 8, and could be playing 9. Decent rotation. If we get to the dance... gona make his first 12 years look a bit silly.

(02-09-2023 10:10 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basket...efficiency

#1 points per posession. 294th for the D.

Is points per possession a new way of keeping track of offense and defense?

(02-10-2023 05:33 PM)rkt Wrote:  

(02-09-2023 10:10 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basket...efficiency

#1 points per posession. 294th for the D.

Is points per possession a new way of keeping track of offense and defense?

Yes.

That makes up the major part of the NCAA's NET ranking, although they adjust the raw numbers somehow to weight them by the strength of the opponents, but they don't say how, or more likely don't know how the algorithm does that adjustment. The NCAA claims they've gone thru past seasons using their algorithm and it is the best predictor of wins.

(02-10-2023 07:38 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote:  

(02-10-2023 05:33 PM)rkt Wrote:  

(02-09-2023 10:10 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basket...efficiency

#1 points per posession. 294th for the D.

Is points per possession a new way of keeping track of offense and defense?

Yes.

That makes up the major part of the NCAA's NET ranking, although they adjust the raw numbers somehow to weight them by the strength of the opponents, but they don't say how, or more likely don't know how the algorithm does that adjustment. The NCAA claims they've gone thru past seasons using their algorithm and it is the best predictor of wins.

I was kind of kidding with my question. Coach Nichols kept track of offensive and defensive points per possession more than fifty years ago.

https://twitter.com/EvanMiya/status/1627...qGhqQ&s=19

JT Top 5 nationally at offense. RayJ also.top 25!

Noted that Shumate is one of the few that has a negative DBPR, probably due to the fact that he's in charge of defending whatever Dancing Bear the other team may have on roster. Being 4th on offense while being defended by those same chunks of meat isn't accounted for by Bayes. That takes an AI/coach.