The right hates her for obvious reasons. The left hates her, if they’ve done their homework, because she has voted conservative on a lot of stuff.

That translates to her political career being put on hold for quite a while.

(08-17-2022 10:05 AM)natibeast2.0 Wrote:  

(08-17-2022 09:44 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(08-17-2022 09:34 AM)natibeast2.0 Wrote:  

(08-17-2022 09:33 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(08-17-2022 08:59 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Some good comments in this thread. A lot of people do not understand the difference between a conservative, a liberal, a neo-conservative and a neo-liberal. A lot of conflation occurs. Liz and her old man are neo-conservatives.... like a neo-liberal, they champion big govt. The only difference is they want to allocate the money differently.

A conservative wants a smaller government. Free speech, free markets, fiscal conservatism.

I've not witnessed either party want a smaller government in a very long time. Fiscal conservatism is dead in both parties.

That doesn't mean a lot of people who they so call represent don't want it.

Correct. As an example here in Ohio when John Kasich ran for governor he campaigned as a small government candidate. When he got into office he actually expanded government and spent heavily. John (and Mike DeWine) are classic examples of neoconservatives. The issue is conservatives support neo-con candidates as they prefer them to the alternative candidate, either a liberal or a neoliberal.

In fairness, I hear people on the neoliberal spectrum say the same- they don't like the establishment, liberal democrat but will support them every day over the candidate with an R by their name.

This is close enough to my thoughts. I don't think there will ever be someone running for president anytime soon that would win either party ticket that exactly aligns with my ideology so obviously still going to pick the person from one of two parties that aligns closest.

If you want it, you have to vote out the people who are not doing it, including Republicans. I love how MAGA people call anyone against them RINOs but they are not balancing the budget either. I've voted 3rd party for a long time now because of the fiscal issues, we are very close to going over a cliff that neither party can fix because of how much debt we have accumulated. I am over the "lesser of 2 evils" vote because they only change, by a small degree, how quickly we go over that cliff. We need substantial changes, something that neither party wants to address.\

And don't get me started on the Republican senator who said that the congress should vote on whether we receive social security distributions every year. Congress should stop stealing from it to pay for our budget and let it collect a proper ROI. Or... they should stop collecting it and let me put my money into my 401k so that I can get a better ROI myself.

(08-17-2022 10:06 AM)450bench Wrote:  The right hates her for obvious reasons. The left hates her, if they’ve done their homework, because she has voted conservative on a lot of stuff.

That translates to her political career being put on hold for quite a while.

She hates Trump and has been very visible in the J6 hearings. She'll do just fine in the left's eyes.

(08-17-2022 10:14 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(08-17-2022 10:06 AM)450bench Wrote:  The right hates her for obvious reasons. The left hates her, if they’ve done their homework, because she has voted conservative on a lot of stuff.

That translates to her political career being put on hold for quite a while.

She hates Trump and has been very visible in the J6 hearings. She'll do just fine in the left's eyes.

It's the reverse Tulsi Gabbard. While she agrees with what Conservatives are saying now, she's still a lib.. Same with Cheney.

(08-17-2022 10:13 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(08-17-2022 10:05 AM)natibeast2.0 Wrote:  

(08-17-2022 09:44 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(08-17-2022 09:34 AM)natibeast2.0 Wrote:  

(08-17-2022 09:33 AM)mlb Wrote:  I've not witnessed either party want a smaller government in a very long time. Fiscal conservatism is dead in both parties.

That doesn't mean a lot of people who they so call represent don't want it.

Correct. As an example here in Ohio when John Kasich ran for governor he campaigned as a small government candidate. When he got into office he actually expanded government and spent heavily. John (and Mike DeWine) are classic examples of neoconservatives. The issue is conservatives support neo-con candidates as they prefer them to the alternative candidate, either a liberal or a neoliberal.

In fairness, I hear people on the neoliberal spectrum say the same- they don't like the establishment, liberal democrat but will support them every day over the candidate with an R by their name.

This is close enough to my thoughts. I don't think there will ever be someone running for president anytime soon that would win either party ticket that exactly aligns with my ideology so obviously still going to pick the person from one of two parties that aligns closest.

If you want it, you have to vote out the people who are not doing it, including Republicans. I love how MAGA people call anyone against them RINOs but they are not balancing the budget either. I've voted 3rd party for a long time now because of the fiscal issues, we are very close to going over a cliff that neither party can fix because of how much debt we have accumulated. I am over the "lesser of 2 evils" vote because they only change, by a small degree, how quickly we go over that cliff. We need substantial changes, something that neither party wants to address.\

And don't get me started on the Republican senator who said that the congress should vote on whether we receive social security distributions every year. Congress should stop stealing from it to pay for our budget and let it collect a proper ROI. Or... they should stop collecting it and let me put my money into my 401k so that I can get a better ROI myself.

Quick thoughts as busy day of work so not well thought out.

Speaking of only the presidential candidates. Considering the target is now 81 million votes, I'd argue it's pointless in that election to vote for a Gary or Jo. I get the sense they only run 3rd party sometimes to take votes away from a certain political party.

I do not consider MAGA the lesser of two evils. Trump did spend more than I'd like and a perfect example was playing politics during Covid (I thought the checks were completely unnecessary or at least should have only been sent out to families under a certain level of income). I'd argue he spent more than I'd like on military but without knowing all the ins and outs China worries me for sure so I do let that one slide.

I aligned with him in the vast majority of my views though and trust his decision making much more than anyone else I've seen in gov't my life. Now if he can just drain the swamp in '24 then your 3rd party's may stand a chance.

(08-17-2022 10:38 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(08-17-2022 10:14 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(08-17-2022 10:06 AM)450bench Wrote:  The right hates her for obvious reasons. The left hates her, if they’ve done their homework, because she has voted conservative on a lot of stuff.

That translates to her political career being put on hold for quite a while.

She hates Trump and has been very visible in the J6 hearings. She'll do just fine in the left's eyes.

It's the reverse Tulsi Gabbard. While she agrees with what Conservatives are saying now, she's still a lib.. Same with Cheney.

I disagree. While Gabbard may see certain policies differently, she has moral fiber.

Cheney is simply self serving scum.

(08-17-2022 10:57 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(08-17-2022 10:38 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(08-17-2022 10:14 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(08-17-2022 10:06 AM)450bench Wrote:  The right hates her for obvious reasons. The left hates her, if they’ve done their homework, because she has voted conservative on a lot of stuff.

That translates to her political career being put on hold for quite a while.

She hates Trump and has been very visible in the J6 hearings. She'll do just fine in the left's eyes.

It's the reverse Tulsi Gabbard. While she agrees with what Conservatives are saying now, she's still a lib.. Same with Cheney.

I disagree. While Gabbard may see certain policies differently, she has moral fiber.

Cheney is simply self serving scum.

Touché.

Cheney even contemplating a run for President is hilarious. She lost her home state in a landslide.

I heard Clay Travis put it this way on his radio show this morning...

"It's like not making your H.S. basketball team and then declaring for the NBA."

(08-16-2022 09:09 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(08-16-2022 08:43 PM)maximus Wrote:  The fact the dims are cheering on a Cheney is all you need to know.

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Before Trump they were the evilest republicans on the entire earth to the left.

Imagine a world where AOC or Pelosi suddenly overnight became a right wing hero, even though their core positions had not changed at all.

Yeah, I can't picture that either. Its just too absurd and I'm not pathetic enough to get behind them in that scenerio.

Which is really the point of this thread. This isn't about principle or conviction. This is about Trump giving the Orange Army their marching orders. I really hope Cheney runs for president in 2024 .... if toxic agent orange is still selling his poison. And I hope she runs as a Republican because I would love to see her dismantle Trump on the debate stage. Then, if she doesn't get the nomination, and she won't, run as an independent with the endorsement of the Bush family. Together with the moderates and Libertarians in this country I think she could keep the lying orangutan out of office and save the country.

(08-17-2022 06:32 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(08-16-2022 11:40 AM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Proof whoever runs on the Right is 'far right.'

Unfortunately the Republicans always underperform. She'll probably only lose by 15% & not 25-30%. Still a butt-whooping.

I was only surprised by the final results. A 37 pt blowout. A definite butt whooping. Wow.

Yea, just catching up.

Hope that primary asss kicking was convincing enough for the doubters.

Remember, this was an incumbent. They win 96-97% of the time.

This is no small thing.

(08-17-2022 11:26 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(08-16-2022 09:09 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(08-16-2022 08:43 PM)maximus Wrote:  The fact the dims are cheering on a Cheney is all you need to know.

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Before Trump they were the evilest republicans on the entire earth to the left.

Imagine a world where AOC or Pelosi suddenly overnight became a right wing hero, even though their core positions had not changed at all.

Yeah, I can't picture that either. Its just too absurd and I'm not pathetic enough to get behind them in that scenerio.

Which is really the point of this thread. This isn't about principle or conviction. This is about Trump giving the Orange Army their marching orders. I really hope Cheney runs for president in 2024 .... if toxic agent orange is still selling his poison. And I hope she runs as a Republican because I would love to see her dismantle Trump on the debate stage. Then, if she doesn't get the nomination, and she won't, run as an independent with the endorsement of the Bush family. Together with the moderates and Libertarians in this country I think she could keep the lying orangutan out of office and save the country.

Have another hit. That bong won't smoke itself.

(08-17-2022 11:26 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(08-16-2022 09:09 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(08-16-2022 08:43 PM)maximus Wrote:  The fact the dims are cheering on a Cheney is all you need to know.

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Before Trump they were the evilest republicans on the entire earth to the left.

Imagine a world where AOC or Pelosi suddenly overnight became a right wing hero, even though their core positions had not changed at all.

Yeah, I can't picture that either. Its just too absurd and I'm not pathetic enough to get behind them in that scenerio.

Which is really the point of this thread. This isn't about principle or conviction. This is about Trump giving the Orange Army their marching orders. I really hope Cheney runs for president in 2024 .... if toxic agent orange is still selling his poison. And I hope she runs as a Republican because I would love to see her dismantle Trump on the debate stage. Then, if she doesn't get the nomination, and she won't, run as an independent with the endorsement of the Bush family. Together with the moderates and Libertarians in this country I think she could keep the lying orangutan out of office and save the country.

If by her getting 0.1% of the vote, then yeah I suppose that could thwart Trump.

You have to be 12 years old. There's literally no other explanation for your posts.

She will not be able to run as a Republican. She will only get Demicrat votes. Imagine that. A Cheney getting votes from Demicrats. That how far Left the Democrat Party has gone in 12 years.

(08-17-2022 11:26 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(08-16-2022 09:09 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(08-16-2022 08:43 PM)maximus Wrote:  The fact the dims are cheering on a Cheney is all you need to know.

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Before Trump they were the evilest republicans on the entire earth to the left.

Imagine a world where AOC or Pelosi suddenly overnight became a right wing hero, even though their core positions had not changed at all.

Yeah, I can't picture that either. Its just too absurd and I'm not pathetic enough to get behind them in that scenerio.

Which is really the point of this thread. This isn't about principle or conviction. This is about Trump giving the Orange Army their marching orders. I really hope Cheney runs for president in 2024 .... if toxic agent orange is still selling his poison. And I hope she runs as a Republican because I would love to see her dismantle Trump on the debate stage. Then, if she doesn't get the nomination, and she won't, run as an independent with the endorsement of the Bush family. Together with the moderates and Libertarians in this country I think she could keep the lying orangutan out of office and save the country.

You should change your name from "tigericity" to "clowncity".

You NEVER engage in serious discussion, all you do is drive by post ORANGE MAN BAD over and over again. Troll, troll, troll troll, that is all you are about.

You're an embarrassment to Memphis and the tigers, and don't they have enough things to be embarrassed about already?

(08-17-2022 09:30 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Anybody here thinking that she's going to pull Democratic votes if she decides to run for president hasn't looked at her voting record. She's really one of the most conservative conservatives in the House. And I'm sure she knew this when she took her stand against Trump. She'll certainly get Republican votes in 2024. Those Republicans who can't stomach voting for Trump. She will also get independent and libertarian votes. But there's no way Democrats vote for her no matter how selfless she has shown herself to be.

Bologna. She could barely even muster any Republican votes in her home state. Republicans in other states would not vote at all before they would vote for Cheney.

Also, I guess you haven't been keeping up with all of the Democrats that have left the party. Surely some of the ones that haven't quite made that leap might instead vote for the old hag Liz.

Memphis isn't sending it's best. LOL.

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(08-17-2022 11:19 AM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Cheney even contemplating a run for President is hilarious. She lost her home state in a landslide.

I heard Clay Travis put it this way on his radio show this morning...

"It's like not making your H.S. basketball team and then declaring for the NBA."

We saw how well it worked out for Beto...