Dodge is discontinuing the Challenger and Charger line to make room for an electrified future. Of the big displacements that leaves the Corvette, Mustang, and Camaro as the last mass produced large displacement muscle cars. Yes, you can still get fast cars but just something about a throaty v8 just doesn't quite come from a lightning fast car that sounds like a golf cart. Damn tragedy and I just keep watching the value of my Viper go up.

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Quote:The times, they are a-changing at Dodge. And it's all going down a bit sooner than we thought. We knew Dodge pledged to have an electric muscle car by 2024 and enacted a weird two-year advent calendar of events in the buildup to its release; we didn't know that that would be the end of the run for the brand's current muscle cars.

Dodge CEO Tim Kuniskis recently confirmed to Motor Authority that the Charger and Challenger — and their Hellcat engines — will cease production by 2024. Motor Trend, who also spoke to Kuniskis, offered further details on the three new Dodge vehicles that will replace them.

Totally absurd and bad news for the average American because the auto makers are going to play follow the leader.

There is no reason at all for gas power engines and muscle cars to cease production. It won't make a shed of difference to the climate and just make everything more expensive and more troublesome for the average American.

the new charger with artificial exhaust sounds

That's ******* stupid

(08-18-2022 01:16 AM)bobdizole Wrote:  the new charger with artificial exhaust sounds

That's ******* stupid

oh my ... sounded like a wounded bobcat under the hood .... well done, freaks...

I did not know that Dodge was still making the Charger and Challenger. Dodge dealers around here run adverts for trucks, and that's about it.

I have not bought Detroit wheels since the auto bailout debacle, when legitimate investors were screwed in favor of unions (who were very real culprits in the industry's demise), and probably never will again.

I just traded in my son's Charger for a new Kia K5. I was keeping Rock Auto in business with all of the parts I was buying for the Dodge. Good riddance to bad rubbage.

(08-18-2022 07:01 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I did not know that Dodge was still making the Charger and Challenger. Dodge dealers around here run adverts for trucks, and that's about it.

I have not bought Detroit wheels since the auto bailout debacle, when legitimate investors were screwed in favor of unions (who were very real culprits in the industry's demise), and probably never will again.

Dodge cars fit into 3 segments

1) The v6s fit the same segment as nissan altimas. You usually see them driving around with barely hanging on body panels and 2 year expired drive out tags

2) The mid-range models with the lower end v8s you'll see around military bases and just know some poor enlisted is paying damn near the maximum legal APR to have it

3) The Hell-Cat and Demon levels are the true muscle cars and are stupid expensive and rare

So unless you are near a military base or a lot of BHPH lots you won't see many dealers advertising them

i can keep my v8 chevy running till i die.

Dont ask me for a ride when your battery is dead or the govt hits the kill switch.

I'm in the automobile industry. I'm very excited for the future. Electric motors are powerful, efficient, simple, and have significantly less moving parts that break or have to be replaced, and we're just scratching the surface of what is possible with this technology.

In 10 years, I anticipate that not only will personal vehicles be getting more than 500 miles on a single charge, charging will eventually get to the point of being trivial if not completely unnecessary.

The ICE engine will still exist, racing and powerful combustion engines will still exist, trucks will get more powerful and take on new and exciting roles, but for the average joe like you and me who just want to get to work and back without taking a mortgage out to cover fuel costs, this is a great time.


Anecdote: I drove 800 miles on an electric SUV this past month through Alabama, Tennessee, and Kentucky. I charged this 3 ton vehicle 4 times on the trip and it cost me a grand total of $25.

(08-18-2022 09:51 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  I'm in the automobile industry. I'm very excited for the future. Electric motors are powerful, efficient, simple, and have significantly less moving parts that break or have to be replaced, and we're just scratching the surface of what is possible with this technology.

In 10 years, I anticipate that not only will personal vehicles be getting more than 500 miles on a single charge, charging will eventually get to the point of being trivial if not completely unnecessary.

The ICE engine will still exist, racing and powerful combustion engines will still exist, trucks will get more powerful and take on new and exciting roles, but for the average joe like you and me who just want to get to work and back without taking a mortgage out to cover fuel costs, this is a great time.


Anecdote: I drove 800 miles on an electric SUV this past month through Alabama, Tennessee, and Kentucky. I charged this 3 ton vehicle 4 times on the trip and it cost me a grand total of $25.

if one has a month to make the trip, then good for you...

if one wants to make a non-stop road trip, GFL with that...

if one gets hung up in traffic during the heat of the summer when low on charge, GFL with that...

when Shere and I are passing your waving arses in our 350 V8s when you're stranded, GFL with that...

(08-18-2022 10:07 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(08-18-2022 09:51 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  I'm in the automobile industry. I'm very excited for the future. Electric motors are powerful, efficient, simple, and have significantly less moving parts that break or have to be replaced, and we're just scratching the surface of what is possible with this technology.

In 10 years, I anticipate that not only will personal vehicles be getting more than 500 miles on a single charge, charging will eventually get to the point of being trivial if not completely unnecessary.

The ICE engine will still exist, racing and powerful combustion engines will still exist, trucks will get more powerful and take on new and exciting roles, but for the average joe like you and me who just want to get to work and back without taking a mortgage out to cover fuel costs, this is a great time.


Anecdote: I drove 800 miles on an electric SUV this past month through Alabama, Tennessee, and Kentucky. I charged this 3 ton vehicle 4 times on the trip and it cost me a grand total of $25.

if one has a month to make the trip, then good for you...

if one wants to make a non-stop road trip, GFL with that...

if one gets hung up in traffic during the heat of the summer when low on charge, GFL with that...

when Shere and I are passing your waving arses in our 350 V8s when you're stranded, GFL with that...

Oh I forgot to mention, I walked a suped up Nissan 370z too. He might as well have been standing still but his foot had to have been rammed to the floor.

Old car guys, like myself, don’t really pay attention to new car stuff. At all.

But I hear ya.

(08-18-2022 10:22 AM)450bench Wrote:  Old car guys, like myself, don’t really pay attention to new car stuff. At all.

But I hear ya.

I'm not saying anyone has to like them, or should be forced to alter their market choices or lifestyle if they dont want to.

But I look at what's possible for the future and wonder sometimes if we shouldn't have started all this sooner

(08-18-2022 10:28 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(08-18-2022 10:22 AM)450bench Wrote:  Old car guys, like myself, don’t really pay attention to new car stuff. At all.

But I hear ya.

I'm not saying anyone has to like them, or should be forced to alter their market choices or lifestyle if they dont want to.

But I look at what's possible for the future and wonder sometimes if we shouldn't have started all this sooner

none of us would care if the rollout was subsidized and planned over the proper time frame as the technology became relevant to become competitive as an ADDITIONAL move to eliminate the dependency on fossil ...

napes ... we know what's really going on ... this country has been taken over by the corporate warlords ... and ewes simply turn a blind eye...

(08-18-2022 10:11 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(08-18-2022 10:07 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(08-18-2022 09:51 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  I'm in the automobile industry. I'm very excited for the future. Electric motors are powerful, efficient, simple, and have significantly less moving parts that break or have to be replaced, and we're just scratching the surface of what is possible with this technology.

In 10 years, I anticipate that not only will personal vehicles be getting more than 500 miles on a single charge, charging will eventually get to the point of being trivial if not completely unnecessary.

The ICE engine will still exist, racing and powerful combustion engines will still exist, trucks will get more powerful and take on new and exciting roles, but for the average joe like you and me who just want to get to work and back without taking a mortgage out to cover fuel costs, this is a great time.


Anecdote: I drove 800 miles on an electric SUV this past month through Alabama, Tennessee, and Kentucky. I charged this 3 ton vehicle 4 times on the trip and it cost me a grand total of $25.

if one has a month to make the trip, then good for you...

if one wants to make a non-stop road trip, GFL with that...

if one gets hung up in traffic during the heat of the summer when low on charge, GFL with that...

when Shere and I are passing your waving arses in our 350 V8s when you're stranded, GFL with that...

Oh I forgot to mention, I walked a suped up Nissan 370z too. He might as well have been standing still but his foot had to have been rammed to the floor.

ahhhhh, ewe're one of 'those', too .... Ace Frehley, shock me...

Go woke, go broke. Bet the Japanese fill the void.

EV's go faster and weigh a lot more. The roads are going to be more deadly during this transition.

(08-18-2022 10:28 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(08-18-2022 10:22 AM)450bench Wrote:  Old car guys, like myself, don’t really pay attention to new car stuff. At all.

But I hear ya.

I'm not saying anyone has to like them, or should be forced to alter their market choices or lifestyle if they dont want to.

But I look at what's possible for the future and wonder sometimes if we shouldn't have started all this sooner

Thats the thing here. NO ONE is against EV's or hybrids, what people are against is forcing us all to have one in the end because politicians saw to it that no one makes gasoline powered automobiles anymore.

And pretending like all this is going to have an impact on the climate. Complete and utter bs.

(08-18-2022 05:01 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(08-18-2022 10:28 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(08-18-2022 10:22 AM)450bench Wrote:  Old car guys, like myself, don’t really pay attention to new car stuff. At all.

But I hear ya.

I'm not saying anyone has to like them, or should be forced to alter their market choices or lifestyle if they dont want to.

But I look at what's possible for the future and wonder sometimes if we shouldn't have started all this sooner

That the thing here. NO ONE is against EV's or hybrids, what people are against is forcing us all to have one in the end because politicians saw to it that no one makes gasoline powered automobiles anymore.

And pretending like all this is going to have an impact on the climate. Complete and utter bs.

This. Also, at least wait until we have the infrastructure to even support a mass exodus to purely electric vehicles. (See, all vehicles are electric. They require a battery to power it. What it needs for propulsion is fuel. It's easier for those who "make the correct verbage" to say things like "gas-powered" instead of "gas-propelled". It makes it easier for the left to push electric-propelled vehicles, or purely electric vehicles, as just "electric vehicles". It's all in how you word it.)

The good old days.

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