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I don’t see any reason for the 4 Corners to give UO/UW any concessions on revenue sharing. If those 2 push back, the threaten to go to the Big 12.

Also, I don’t thing UO/UW (and for that matter, Stanford) want any clauses or complications that make it harder to get out of the PAC 10.
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(08-14-2022 08:18 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Similarly, the PAC schools would be wise not to rush to the nB12 now. If more schools leave for the B1G, the nB12 will still be very happy to have them then.

I’m not sure the PAC deserves that much credit for doing things well. Passing on OU/OSU was a mistake. If we’re to believe Kansas was out there as a possible PAC-16 candidate, and they’re still out there…swing and a miss. And I know the football is putrid.

I mean, this conference is bypassing B12 schools with legit athletic programs for the likes of MWC fare (no offense to Utah). Maybe you don’t go nuts and tap Kansas State, but the conference can do far worse than Kansas and Iowa State for sure. Okie State and Tech isn’t garbage either, if the conference was fine with it as long as it came with Texas.
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(08-15-2022 08:23 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(08-14-2022 08:18 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Similarly, the PAC schools would be wise not to rush to the nB12 now. If more schools leave for the B1G, the nB12 will still be very happy to have them then.

I’m not sure the PAC deserves that much credit for doing things well. Passing on OU/OSU was a mistake. If we’re to believe Kansas was out there as a possible PAC-16 candidate, and they’re still out there…swing and a miss. And I know the football is putrid.

I mean, this conference is bypassing B12 schools with legit athletic programs for the likes of MWC fare (no offense to Utah). Maybe you don’t go nuts and tap Kansas State, but the conference can do far worse than Kansas and Iowa State for sure. Okie State and Tech isn’t garbage either, if the conference was fine with it as long as it came with Texas.

When did they pass on OU/OSU?

The only great additions would have been Texas and Oklahoma. Exactly ad the SEC did. Any other program besides only those two and the exit by the top programs happens anyways.
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(08-15-2022 08:39 AM)PicksUp Wrote:  When did they pass on OU/OSU?

2011.

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This is the first time I am hearing of KU replacing A&M (this and recent threads on Scott's PAC-16). I haven't gone back to look at all the headlines, but I remember Jayhawk fans having a meltdown. OSU was in there, CO, TTech, OUT, so that leaves 1 remaining school. If A&M made up its mind, then I can buy KU. It was probably the most likely choice. But I don't remember A&M already leaning SEC. It wouldn't have been Utah/Baylor, so I guess KU would've made the most sense.

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(08-14-2022 08:22 AM)shizzle787 Wrote:  
(08-13-2022 09:27 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  
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(08-13-2022 01:47 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  This is now the 4th CU BOR meeting about the PAC-12. I’m dead curious what’s going on, as we aren’t hearing about these meetings at other P12 schools.

ESPN not giving them enough so they are going to give them the green light to move if the numbers stay low or if Stanford, Washington or Oregon get B1G invites. That's my guess

Bingo!

Now that ESPN does not have any stake in the B1G after this fall, they have to decide if it is worth $400M a year (give or take) to keep the Pac-12 intact. That is probably an over pay of $50M or so what they would prefer to pay and above where they think the optimal return on value is for them, even including the digital package. But if they want Stanford, Washington and Oregon to sign a GOR and not move to the B1G (which again it must be stated, ESPN has no stake) then they will have to pay it. There is precedent for such an overpay when they gave Texas the LHN to keep them in the Big 12 and out of the B1G (SEC move came later); and again when Boren rumbled about moving on and calling for expansion forcing ESPN (and FOX) to pay the Big 12 as if they expanded in order for them NOT to expand.

They also have to factor in that they know failure to pay at such a level will see Arizona, it seems also Colorado, and hints that also Utah would quickly pull the ripcord for a safe landing in the Big 12. Why stay in the Pac-12 if the money is not sufficient for UW and Oregon to sign a GOR? Better to jump now while the offer is there and no exit fee is in place for the Pac-12.

ESPN cannot be unaware of the situation with the four corner schools. There is a good chance a the four corners bolting to the Big 12 on a low ball offer, which would lead the B1G to throw the lifeline to UW, Oregon and Stanford, even at 50% distribution rate. Worst case scenario for ESPN.

The next question then for ESPN, will it cost them more to keep a good sized piece of the Big 12 should FOX decide to bid? Basically having to pay even more for a piece of the Big 12 and not even being able to fill the late slots with it.

The fate of the Pac-12 really comes down to whether or not ESPN wants to deny FOX, CBS and NBC complete control of the West Coast in college sports, and how much they are willing to pay to make such a blocking move.

Normally I find you to be a logical poster but this one makes no sense. Why would the B1G add those three schools if the corner 4 left?

If the B1G doesn't want to add them now, they will have no more incentive to add them if the corner 4 leave. The B1G can add them whenever they want. If the B1G says jump, those schools will ask how high.

My take on the part you bolded is why would this be ESPN's worst case scenario? Or even a bad case scenario?
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Just speculating that the prime west coast inventory would now be completely out of their hands and done on the cheap for the competition. Unless Disney is seriously putting pressure on Bristol to cut costs (which I suspect is the case), the aforementioned scenario would be a challenge for ESPN.

I totally get that the West Coast does not have the passion for pigskin that exists in the South & the Rust Belt. But the PacNW population is not exploding in a vacuum. Those new engineers in Seattle are not exclusively coming from the West Coast.
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(08-15-2022 09:30 AM)SlyFox Wrote:  Just speculating that the prime west coast inventory would now be completely out of their hands and done on the cheap for the competition. Unless Disney is seriously putting pressure on Bristol to cut costs (which I suspect is the case), the aforementioned scenario would be a challenge for ESPN.

I totally get that the West Coast does not have the passion for pigskin that exists in the South & the Rust Belt. But the PacNW population is not exploding in a vacuum. Those new engineers in Seattle are not exclusively coming from the West Coast.

It's different when you live out there.

If you are an East coast football transplant, you watch your team on Saturday morning while you eat a big breakfast. That's over and you go do other stuff.

There's no football party. No all day tailgating. None of that.

You watch alone or maybe with one other friend that likes football. It's a prelude to the day and then you go do things.
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(08-15-2022 08:52 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  This is the first time I am hearing of KU replacing A&M (this and recent threads on Scott's PAC-16). I haven't gone back to look at all the headlines, but I remember Jayhawk fans having a meltdown. OSU was in there, CO, TTech, OUT, so that leaves 1 remaining school. If A&M made up its mind, then I can buy KU. It was probably the most likely choice. But I don't remember A&M already leaning SEC. It wouldn't have been Utah/Baylor, so I guess KU would've made the most sense.

Big East with KSU, ISU, UL, UC, TCU, Baylor + Rutgers, UConn, WVU, USF, UCF, ECU, Memphis and not sure who else was already there.



In 2010, Utah was supposed to be preferred to Kansas if A&M went to the SEC rather than the PAC.


It never really made a lot of sense to me since Utah was an MWC team at the time. And Kansas football hadn’t yet even begun it’s horrific beyond belief 2010-22 run.
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Utah was still hot out of the Urban Meyer era. I just can't recall seeing them on the PAC 16 short list. I guess it would have been a long, hard debate with Utah football coming out on top of KU, maybe to keep everyone contiguous.
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(08-15-2022 10:33 AM)Poster Wrote:  
(08-15-2022 08:52 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  This is the first time I am hearing of KU replacing A&M (this and recent threads on Scott's PAC-16). I haven't gone back to look at all the headlines, but I remember Jayhawk fans having a meltdown. OSU was in there, CO, TTech, OUT, so that leaves 1 remaining school. If A&M made up its mind, then I can buy KU. It was probably the most likely choice. But I don't remember A&M already leaning SEC. It wouldn't have been Utah/Baylor, so I guess KU would've made the most sense.

Big East with KSU, ISU, UL, UC, TCU, Baylor + Rutgers, UConn, WVU, USF, UCF, ECU, Memphis and not sure who else was already there.



In 2010, Utah was supposed to be preferred to Kansas if A&M went to the SEC rather than the PAC.


It never really made a lot of sense to me since Utah was an MWC team at the time. And Kansas football hadn’t yet even begun it’s horrific beyond belief 2010-22 run.

That's not true. Larry's Scotts plane was going to all the future members cities, including Lawrence, Kansas. People were doing flight tracker to see where all the planes were going.

During the FSU/Clemson to Big 12 rumors, people were tracking planes. When Nebraska was meeting with the Big 10, the Nebraska president said they went to someplace secret outside Big 10 territory to meet. One time there were planes from Dallas, Greenville, SC and Tallahassee all going to Camilla in South Georgia. It turns out the Sec. of Agriculture was down there with either the President or V-P, so there was a big meeting that had nothing to do with conference realignment.
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CO is an academically prestigious AAU university that fits well into either the B1G or ACC.

They also have a long and storied rivalry with Nebraska.

They only make sense:
As the +1 in adding Stanford, Oregon and Washington

As a package deal with Kansas - wouldn't really be worth it financially but it would be a body blow to both the B12 and PAC
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(08-15-2022 12:10 PM)jgkojak Wrote:  CO is an academically prestigious AAU university that fits well into either the B1G or ACC.

They also have a long and storied rivalry with Nebraska.

They only make sense:
As the +1 in adding Stanford, Oregon and Washington

As a package deal with Kansas - wouldn't really be worth it financially but it would be a body blow to both the B12 and PAC

Nobody watches either football program on TV enough to make it worth the B1G's while. The B1G has enough very bad FB products in the bottom quartile of the conference, no need to add two more.

Colorado to the ACC makes no sense.
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(08-15-2022 12:31 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(08-15-2022 12:10 PM)jgkojak Wrote:  CO is an academically prestigious AAU university that fits well into either the B1G or ACC.

They also have a long and storied rivalry with Nebraska.

They only make sense:
As the +1 in adding Stanford, Oregon and Washington

As a package deal with Kansas - wouldn't really be worth it financially but it would be a body blow to both the B12 and PAC

Nobody watches either football program on TV enough to make it worth the B1G's while. The B1G has enough very bad FB products in the bottom quartile of the conference, no need to add two more.

Colorado to the ACC makes no sense.

Actually, CO might be possible if the B10 was building a geographic path to socal. Add Co and AZ state.

I know people really want to think OR and WA are a lock. But I just think geography works against them. In some ways, they might as well be Hawaii, as far as the other conferences are concerned.

So if the ACC schools are not an option on the short term. And the B10 doesn't want to be seen as causing the destruction of the PAC, and the B10 might want to proactively take Kansas/Colorado because SEC might try for them, then I would not be surprised to see B10's next 4 invites being:

Kansas
Colorado
Arizona state
Stanford

It pretty much leaves the SEC with only the B12 as options. OK state, WV, and/or some Texas school. Or maybe looking at some G5 hopeful, like Memphis. Either way, not great choices comparatively.

And if the ACC GoR disappears for some reason, allowing the SEC to get schools from there, the B10 will also be there, going after schools.

So, to me, this would seem like the smartest move going forward for the B10, if they expand at all.
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(08-15-2022 01:18 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  
(08-15-2022 12:31 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(08-15-2022 12:10 PM)jgkojak Wrote:  CO is an academically prestigious AAU university that fits well into either the B1G or ACC.

They also have a long and storied rivalry with Nebraska.

They only make sense:
As the +1 in adding Stanford, Oregon and Washington

As a package deal with Kansas - wouldn't really be worth it financially but it would be a body blow to both the B12 and PAC

Nobody watches either football program on TV enough to make it worth the B1G's while. The B1G has enough very bad FB products in the bottom quartile of the conference, no need to add two more.

Colorado to the ACC makes no sense.

Actually, CO might be possible if the B10 was building a geographic path to socal. Add Co and AZ state.

I know people really want to think OR and WA are a lock. But I just think geography works against them. In some ways, they might as well be Hawaii, as far as the other conferences are concerned.

So if the ACC schools are not an option on the short term. And the B10 doesn't want to be seen as causing the destruction of the PAC, and the B10 might want to proactively take Kansas/Colorado because SEC might try for them, then I would not be surprised to see B10's next 4 invites being:

Kansas
Colorado
Arizona state
Stanford

It pretty much leaves the SEC with only the B12 as options. OK state, WV, and/or some Texas school. Or maybe looking at some G5 hopeful, like Memphis. Either way, not great choices comparatively.

And if the ACC GoR disappears for some reason, allowing the SEC to get schools from there, the B10 will also be there, going after schools.

So, to me, this would seem like the smartest move going forward for the B10, if they expand at all.

The money is just too big. The networks would blow a gasket after paying $100M to add those schools to get 300K viewers for the Indiana v. Colorado, Arizona State v. Minnesota (I could actually do several more combinations) FB game.

I'm not sure if many of the four schools you listed are worth $50M/year each, let alone $100M.
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(08-15-2022 01:28 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(08-15-2022 01:18 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  
(08-15-2022 12:31 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(08-15-2022 12:10 PM)jgkojak Wrote:  CO is an academically prestigious AAU university that fits well into either the B1G or ACC.

They also have a long and storied rivalry with Nebraska.

They only make sense:
As the +1 in adding Stanford, Oregon and Washington

As a package deal with Kansas - wouldn't really be worth it financially but it would be a body blow to both the B12 and PAC

Nobody watches either football program on TV enough to make it worth the B1G's while. The B1G has enough very bad FB products in the bottom quartile of the conference, no need to add two more.

Colorado to the ACC makes no sense.

Actually, CO might be possible if the B10 was building a geographic path to socal. Add Co and AZ state.

I know people really want to think OR and WA are a lock. But I just think geography works against them. In some ways, they might as well be Hawaii, as far as the other conferences are concerned.

So if the ACC schools are not an option on the short term. And the B10 doesn't want to be seen as causing the destruction of the PAC, and the B10 might want to proactively take Kansas/Colorado because SEC might try for them, then I would not be surprised to see B10's next 4 invites being:

Kansas
Colorado
Arizona state
Stanford

It pretty much leaves the SEC with only the B12 as options. OK state, WV, and/or some Texas school. Or maybe looking at some G5 hopeful, like Memphis. Either way, not great choices comparatively.

And if the ACC GoR disappears for some reason, allowing the SEC to get schools from there, the B10 will also be there, going after schools.

So, to me, this would seem like the smartest move going forward for the B10, if they expand at all.

The money is just too big. The networks would blow a gasket after paying $100M to add those schools to get 300K viewers for the Indiana v. Colorado, Arizona State v. Minnesota (I could actually do several more combinations) FB game.

I'm not sure if many of the four schools you listed are worth $50M/year each, let alone $100M.

B10 has this thing called reduced payouts. Plus there is this thing they seem to be building towards - a nation-wide conference. So I dunno about that.
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You could fix the geography pretty easily.

The ACC gets WV, Cinci, Notre Dame to go to 18.

The B1G gets Stan, Oregon, Wash and CO - the 5 West Coast schools form a travel pod,
CO joins NE, IA, MN and WI (everyone in those place knows how to ski)
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(08-15-2022 02:18 PM)jgkojak Wrote:  You could fix the geography pretty easily.

The ACC gets WV, Cinci, Notre Dame to go to 18.

The B1G gets Stan, Oregon, Wash and CO - the 5 West Coast schools form a travel pod,
CO joins NE, IA, MN and WI (everyone in those place knows how to ski)

travel pod?

Here's google's answers in mile distance when I typed in searches:

1141 usc to seattle

1503 usc to unl

1670 seattle to UNL

862 usc to eugene oregon

383 usc to AZ state

364 usc to stanford

Somehow, I don't think OR and WA constitute a "travel pod".
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(08-14-2022 07:45 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
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(08-13-2022 03:28 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(08-13-2022 01:47 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  This is now the 4th CU BOR meeting about the PAC-12. I’m dead curious what’s going on, as we aren’t hearing about these meetings at other P12 schools.

For all that I complain about with transparency and how athletics have grown to the point to demand so much (too much?) attention of school leadership, I get the impression this volume is what it would/should look like at a public institution.

And Colorado is one of those schools I think the B1G would love to have (or would have loved to have before scoring so big with USC/UCLA). I do wonder if there's life for them there, especially as a "bridge" for USC and UCLA. I saw Colorado and Washington as the most B1G-like of the PAC schools before this whole thing went down.

What real value is there in being a “bridge” school?

Using a spot on a bridge school limits the west to rust belt export-import imo. More schools on the coast are a better use of the spot imo.

More than bridge schools, I think they’d want “abutment” schools- new central time zone schools added with PAC. They can be sent west, but resonate in Midwest, South or East, while limiting how many historical BIG schools are getting west heavy schedules. ND, OU, and UT clearly the perfect/optimal ones, but Warren got caught sleeping or couldn’t close.

KU may have been one with those three, particularly if Fox has interest in using BIG plus Big East to unlock CBB postseason value. Without those, I’m not sure it can be justified.

I don't disagree that the conference could aim a bit higher than Colorado now, assuming the USC/UCLA addition created hype and demand elsewhere (specifically in the ACC). There's still value in the PAC, but I think it's that coastal state quartet of UW, UO, Berkeley, and Stanford.

Still, to think that there was a time in the 90's when the Big Ten kind of "prepared" for the possibility of landing both Nebraska and Colorado (and could have included giving Kanas a home), things haven't panned out in the most optimal way for the Buffs.

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(08-15-2022 02:33 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  
(08-15-2022 02:18 PM)jgkojak Wrote:  You could fix the geography pretty easily.

The ACC gets WV, Cinci, Notre Dame to go to 18.

The B1G gets Stan, Oregon, Wash and CO - the 5 West Coast schools form a travel pod,
CO joins NE, IA, MN and WI (everyone in those place knows how to ski)

travel pod?

Here's google's answers in mile distance when I typed in searches:

1141 usc to seattle

1503 usc to unl

1670 seattle to UNL

862 usc to eugene oregon

383 usc to AZ state

364 usc to stanford

Somehow, I don't think OR and WA constitute a "travel pod".

Anything out west is like that. It's a big country.
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