Audits for everyone that can't afford to fight them

(08-08-2022 04:03 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-07-2022 11:15 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-07-2022 10:16 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  F you Joe Manchin.
I hope you get a huge tapeworm that grows in both directions and that chomps on your arsehole while simultaneously attaching to that lying lizard tongue of yours. You sold out the state of West Virginia and the people of the United States. I hope your impending retirement sucks and that you become a pariah in that great state that you claim to have served. I despise liberals, but I hate, with every fiber of my being, those that claim to be one thing, and then are bought out on important legislation like this. I hope you like the taste of Chucky Schumer's wrinkled taint, as you just bent over to service your new master, you sellout piece of fraudulent crap. F you, chode.

Ehhh. Thats what we Repubilicans get for counting on 2 Democrats to save us. Thats worse than counting on Rinos---which has never paid off for us either.

Those two Georgia senate seats sure look big now. And republicans pretty much did everything they possibly could do to lose them.

I'm really getting frustrated (in case you haven't noticed). I'm counting on republicans to protect me from the socialist/communist democrats, and they're doing a horrible job of it.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend, but my enemies need better enemies.

Your stuck in this endless feedback loop where your always surprised the Republicans in Washington let you down.

They are not on our side, almost no one is Washington is and anyone who appears to be gets destroyed.

Stop falling for Lucy and the football.

They could take back the House and Senate, very little will change. They just slow walk to the same place the dems run to.

(08-08-2022 06:30 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  You're stuck in this endless feedback loop where you're always surprised the Republicans in Washington let you down.
They are not on our side, almost no one is Washington is and anyone who appears to be gets destroyed.
Stop falling for Lucy and the football.
They could take back the House and Senate, very little will change. They just slow walk to the same place the dems run to.

Actually I'm not stuck there and I'm not surprised when the RINOs fail to deliver. Pissed off to be sure, but unfortunately no longer surprised.

The only difference I see between the Phants and the Donks at this point is, as you suggest, whether we dive headlong over the socialist/communist cliff or slow walk off it.

What I cannot for the life of me is why one party doesn't come up with a platform based on turning away from the cliff, run on it, and make it happen. I've always assumed it would be the Phants because the Donks are too wedded to, "Keep 'em dumb, keep 'em poor, keep' em dependent on handouts, and you'll keep 'em voting democrat."

The enemy of my enemy is my friend, but my enemies need better enemies.

Like most monstrous sized legislation the more you read about it the more you learn how bad it is

And this was the scaled down version....yikes

(08-08-2022 06:40 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-08-2022 06:30 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  You're stuck in this endless feedback loop where you're always surprised the Republicans in Washington let you down.
They are not on our side, almost no one is Washington is and anyone who appears to be gets destroyed.
Stop falling for Lucy and the football.
They could take back the House and Senate, very little will change. They just slow walk to the same place the dems run to.

Actually I'm not stuck there and I'm not surprised when the RINOs fail to deliver. Pissed off to be sure, but unfortunately no longer surprised.

The only difference I see between the Phants and the Donks at this point is, as you suggest, whether we dive headlong over the socialist/communist cliff or slow walk off it.

What I cannot for the life of me is why one party doesn't come up with a platform based on turning away from the cliff, run on it, and make it happen. I've always assumed it would be the Phants because the Donks are too wedded to, "Keep 'em dumb, keep 'em poor, keep' em dependent on handouts, and you'll keep 'em voting democrat."

The enemy of my enemy is my friend, but my enemies need better enemies.

There are powerful people deeply embedded in Washington that ensure it will never happen.

All we can do is speak the truth, stand for our faith and values, and await the coming King from above.

BTW I wasn't attacking you at all, sorry if it came off that way. Just venting my own frustration with this corrupt mess that we have no real chance of fixing.

(08-08-2022 06:08 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Audits for everyone that can't afford to fight them

I have tangled with the IRS more than once - - it has always been a roll of the dice, and the outcome usually has little to do with right and wrong and more to do with the energy level (usually low) and potential underhandedness (sadly, not uncommon) of the revenue agent in charge.

Big mouths as most of us are on this forum, it is unlikely that we are going to end up as targets of a Lois Lerner type hit. Maybe some of you are worth that kind of attention, but I suspect that most of us are not.

Much more likely will be your receipt of a form letter raising an issue spawned from a display of unthinking laziness on the part of the IRS. The letter will cite to some claimed discrepancy - - for one example, an obviously absurd difference between your reported income and a 1099 filed in your name, based upon money that clearly represented a pass-through and for which you properly filed you own 1099 in the name of the actual recipient. Yes, they are that stupid.

When you receive that letter, you will promptly write back a very simple and understandable explanation for why the imputed revenue is not taxable income to you. You will not get any kind of meaningful response. You instead will receive a series of letters letting you know that the IRS is still looking into the matter and setting for themselves a new and further extended deadline by which they promise to get you an answer. All the while, penalties and interest on the claimed underpayment will continue to show as accumulating.

Eventually you will decide to take the affirmative and spend an afternoon trying to reach them. This will entail dialing the number on one of the five letters that they sent you, which will connect to an automated receptionist somewhere in Kentucky. You will then be put on perma-hold (the quickest that I ever got a pick up was 45 minutes, and then an appointed call-back time 3 days hence). When you eventually get to speak with a live agent, who will likely be very polite (it's a recorded line, b.t.w.), you will need to spend a good bit of patient effort explaining why the discrepancy is inapplicable. You will then be asked to fax (they don't seem to work via e-mail) lots of duplicative papers that they already have but don't seem to recognize.

Here's the roll-of-the-dice part. If you are lucky, you will receive back weeks later a letter acknowledging that your explanation has been accepted. If you are unlucky, you will receive back a denial revealing that the revenue agent either did not understand your patiently detailed explanation or is purposely refusing to understand. If that happens, you will need to repeat the process. You of course will want to document all of these calls and the time invested.

There will always be the opportunity to give up out of despair and pay the claimed discrepancy. Unless you have a real jerk on the other end of the line, penalties will be waived.

And, unless you've done something wrong (and mistakes do happen), this will mostly just be a severe test of your patience. I've only once needed to enlist the aid of my accountant.

Here is the important part from my own standpoint: this is just anecdotal experience that I am sharing. THIS IS NOT TAX ADVICE, of which I am not qualified to give. If you are at all nervous about your situation, you absolutely should speak to someone with actual credentials and experience. The IRS has the ability to put a huge hurt on you, and for most part they don't care about what is right. My experience (and it is just mine) is that they mostly just want the easy outcome and are not above putting you through the grinder to achieve that.

With all of these new IRS agents coming on line, they are all going to be expected to do something. If you have a business, it is now more much more likely that you will be subjected to unwanted attention. Hopefully your experience(s) will be no worse than mine.

Dem logic. Let's fight inflation by spending billions.

S/ help Biden's record-low approval ratings.

(08-08-2022 06:57 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(08-08-2022 06:40 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-08-2022 06:30 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  You're stuck in this endless feedback loop where you're always surprised the Republicans in Washington let you down.
They are not on our side, almost no one is Washington is and anyone who appears to be gets destroyed.
Stop falling for Lucy and the football.
They could take back the House and Senate, very little will change. They just slow walk to the same place the dems run to.

Actually I'm not stuck there and I'm not surprised when the RINOs fail to deliver. Pissed off to be sure, but unfortunately no longer surprised.

The only difference I see between the Phants and the Donks at this point is, as you suggest, whether we dive headlong over the socialist/communist cliff or slow walk off it.

What I cannot for the life of me is why one party doesn't come up with a platform based on turning away from the cliff, run on it, and make it happen. I've always assumed it would be the Phants because the Donks are too wedded to, "Keep 'em dumb, keep 'em poor, keep' em dependent on handouts, and you'll keep 'em voting democrat."

The enemy of my enemy is my friend, but my enemies need better enemies.

There are powerful people deeply embedded in Washington that ensure it will never happen.

All we can do is speak the truth, stand for our faith and values, and await the coming King from above.

BTW I wasn't attacking you at all, sorry if it came off that way. Just venting my own frustration with this corrupt mess that we have no real chance of fixing.

Exactly. We’re talking about billions and trillions at stake. The powers-that-be that gain from it aren’t going to take chances that things go awry so they control opposition. Is everyone there under controlled? No but it’s only a small handful there which isn’t, and thus not significant enough to make a dent in Babylon. It’s a spiritual matter altogether

Gee 86,000 newly minted Union Members to join the IRS. Not to mention all the new Union Staff they will need. Remember the TSA fiasco the Democrats said had to be Unionized before Bush was able to fully start it up after 9/11. Unions always fund Democrats elections as pay back even though many union members don't agree with their politics.

(08-08-2022 09:38 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Gee 86,000 newly minted Union Members to join the IRS. Not to mention all the new Union Staff they will need. Remember the TSA fiasco the Democrats said had to be Unionized before Bush was able to fully start it up after 9/11. Unions always fund Democrats elections as pay back even though many union members don't agree with their politics.

86k new dem voters to target the middle class and Republican small businesses.

(08-08-2022 09:58 AM)No Bull Wrote:  

(08-08-2022 09:38 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Gee 86,000 newly minted Union Members to join the IRS. Not to mention all the new Union Staff they will need. Remember the TSA fiasco the Democrats said had to be Unionized before Bush was able to fully start it up after 9/11. Unions always fund Democrats elections as pay back even though many union members don't agree with their politics.

86k new dem voters to target the middle class and Republican small businesses.

The part they aren't telling you is the new agents won't be Americans. They will have to recruit outside of the country to hire them. There aren't enough accountants to hire coming out of our universities. They will come from Asia.

Don't forget that the IRS has something like 4,500 handguns and 5 million rounds of ammo. Something doesn't smell right.

Oh. And it is no longer called the "Inflation Reduction Act" now that it passed. Suckers.
Health care, climate and tax Bill

https://news.yahoo.com/senate-passes-gro...01708.html

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/bid...r-AA10re8P

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/...r-AA10ppKi

I could go on.

(08-07-2022 02:38 PM)No Bull Wrote:  

Horse Face broke the tie.

(08-08-2022 10:58 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Oh. And it is no longer called the "Inflation Reduction Act" now that it passed. Suckers.
Health care, climate and tax Bill

https://news.yahoo.com/senate-passes-gro...01708.html

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/bid...r-AA10re8P

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/...r-AA10ppKi

I could go on.

Why Is No One Using the Inflation Reduction Act's Actual Name?

Quote:As of yesterday, the Inflation Reduction Act passed the Senate. In a 50-50 vote with Vice President Kamala Harris as the tiebreaker, the Senate passed a massive spending bill under reconciliation rules. The bill will bring a ton of new deficit spending, create massive handouts for climate change initiatives, and add tens of thousands of new IRS agents to harass lower- and middle-class taxpayers.

But, curiously enough, reporters and politicians praising the passage of the bill aren’t actually mentioning the name of the bill: The Inflation Reduction Act.

I mentioned this on Saturday, when CNN’s John Harwood chastised Sen. Marco Rubio for calling the bill a “garbage bill.” But Harwood isn’t the only one.

I could go on and on with this, but one thing is pretty clear: This was never an Inflation Reduction Act.

This is Build Back Better v2.0. It is a handout to the IRS so Democrats can fund their pet projects by harassing and fleecing small businesses and middle-class Americans. It is a handout to upper-class Americans who want to make the switch to electric vehicles. It is a handout to pet companies that produce those vehicles.

You are giving massive subsidies during high inflation and raising taxes during a recession. It is a violation of basic economic principles at a time when the economy is extremely unstable.

This bill was the end result of Democrats negotiating with themselves. At no point was there any Republican input. They couldn’t even get the most liberal Republican in the Senate, Lisa Murkowski, on board with the bill. At no one was it ever anything other than the Affordable Care Act all over again – final passage of a Democrat bill with Democrat ideas and no attempt at getting bipartisan support.

If you’ll recall, the whole reason Americans were encouraged to dump Trump was to bring back normalcy and get the two sides working together again. That went out the window the moment it was convenient for Democrats.

Of course, this will pass the House of Representatives, and it will get to the President’s desk. He will sign it into law and by the time this bill actually impacts Americans, Biden will likely be out of office and the Democrats out of power in the House and Senate. It would be incumbent on Republicans to undo this as quickly as possible. It is possible that they could, but I’m not sure that they will.

Meanwhile, lower- and middle-class Americans, small businesses, and everyone the Democrats say they want to protect will be most impacted by this. You and I will be hurt, and the rich and powerful will feel no impact by this – except when they get those sweet tax breaks to buy the latest model of their favorite electric vehicles most of us can’t afford even with the subsidy.

All of this is happening and yet the bill’s actual name, the Inflation Reduction Act, is never actually addressed in the bill or in the reporting of it. Truly, a job well done by the Senate, the Democrats, and their allies in the media.

Chris Christie Mocks Jonathan Karl, Rains on the Democrat Parade in Perfect Fashion

Quote:Democrats are continuing to celebrate the passage of the falsely named “Inflation Reduction Act,” and members of the press have been right there to play their part.

On ABC News, while appearing on George Stephanopoulos’ show, leftwing hack Jonathan Karl tried to make the case that it was a major legislative accomplishment. He proclaimed that Joe Biden is “on a roll” before fretting that the president isn’t getting the credit he supposedly deserves. He also made the case that the jobs numbers are “extraordinary” and that gas prices are dropping.

Chris Christie, who was part of the panel, then stepped in with a flawless reality check.

Here’s the full exchange via Newsbusters.

JONATHAN KARL: If you look at our new poll, I mean he’s getting credit for almost nothing, he’s on a roll, I mean there’s no question that Joe Biden is on a roll legislatively, on the national security front, but he’s getting no credit for it. And, look, inflation is still a factor. Gas prices are actually coming down and have been coming down for almost two months. The unemployment numbers are remarkable. Not only the unemployment numbers but wage growth continues to rise. It’s just not keeping pace with inflation.

CHRISTIE: It’s an inside Washington role, George. It’s an inside Washington role. Like, they won on the Inflation Reduction Act, which is a ridiculous name, as you pointed out in the interview. But they won on that, they got Democrats to actually vote for a Democrat bill, what are we going to do? Like, drop the confetti at the White House.

I mean this is ridiculous. It’s an inside Washington role. The people in the rest of the country, are saying wait a second, I’m still paying much more for gas than I should. I’m still paying much more to cool my house. I can’t get groceries on the table and I’m worried about the future.

Christie is dead on the money here. All the pomp and circumstance over the Democrats passing a Democrat bill with Democrat votes belays the fact that Americans simply don’t care about most of what’s in the bill. Climate change consistently ranks as one of the lowest priorities among voters, and certainly, hiring 87,000 IRS agents and raising taxes isn’t any more popular. The only provision in the entire act that might see wide support is the capping of insulin prices, but that’s such a micro-issue that it’ll be out of the country’s collective psyche within days.

The entire reconciliation bill is, as Christie says, an “inside Washington roll.” It’s something that makes beltway dwellers squee, but back in the real world, people are still paying $10 for a pack of bacon. And the last thing they are going to be enthused by is seeing more of their taxpayer money wasted on green energy subsidies. Further, Karl attempting to brag about gas prices dropping (remember, he’s supposed to be an unbiased journalist) just comes across as out-of-touch. Yes, gas prices have come back down after blowing past previous record highs, but they are still 80 percent higher today than when Biden took office. That’s not an accomplishment. It’s simply failing a little less.

That brings me to my broader critique of the media narrative that Democrats are on the comeback trail because they got a partisan bill passed and Joe Biden managed to not die of COVID. Normal Americans do not look at Washington right now and see a government that cares about what they care about. Instead, they see self-indulgence and unearned celebration from mediocrities who don’t have to face the challenges of the real world. Climate change subsidies that will be mostly used by well-off individuals? Is that really what Democrats think is a winning issue with inflation sitting at 9.1 percent? And even if inflation starts to drop (it has to at some point), it’ll take years before it gets back to a point that isn’t absolutely crushing.

In a few months, people are going to go to the polls, and I can guarantee you that they won’t be basing their vote on the “Inflation Reduction Act.” They will be basing their vote on what their personal situation looks like. Right now, the economy is retracting, with its only bright spot being an increase in jobs largely created by people taking on part-time positions to combat inflation. That’s not a winning environment for Democrats, no matter how much they try to will themselves to believe otherwise.

With Passing of the "Inflation Reduction Act," We're Witnessing a Case of Economic Murder-Suicide