Purple. we heard you.

Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

(08-10-2022 07:25 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  JMU fans want to fire Cignetti after 1 regular season loss and a deep playoff run. They'll definitely want him fired for the 6-5 or 7-4 season.

I don't think anybody would call for Cig's head after a 5 -6 season unless the Cig does specific bone headed things to lose the games (I don't think he will)

This fan base is ruthless on bad clock management decisions idkt

^ as we should be! It's almost a pattern at this point (was with MH as well)

(08-11-2022 07:40 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  Purple. we heard you.

Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

So, a guy who refers to himself as "Deez Nuts" thinks my comment is too crude? Ain't that rich!

I mean if my childish username is on the same level of hurling expletives like blackout DirtyDukes or undergrad Hyperduke at a Richmond game then that's a reflection of our different values but that has already been established

"hurling expletives like blackout DirtyDukes or undergrad Hyperduke at a Richmond game"

What?

Houston will always have a special place in my heart but let's not go backwards. Look forwards, hire someone for who we are now, an FBS program. Besides, I have confidence in CC - he should get a few years in FBS.

(08-10-2022 07:25 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  JMU fans want to fire Cignetti after 1 regular season loss and a deep playoff run. They'll definitely want him fired for the 6-5 or 7-4 season.

I remember when many people wanted George Welsh out as the UVA head football coach after years of winning records. In fact, I remember one stat that only UVA and Michigan had won at least 7 games or more in the last 10 years, or something similar. But, he was too old. Couldn't recruit. Out of touch with the kids. He would never get UVA to the 'next level', etc., etc. I kept thinking. This is stupid. He's winning. Recruiting is great. They have not had a coach like him since he left. So, being quick to toss out a winning coach is a bad idea. HCCC is a winning coach today.

(08-18-2022 06:28 AM)JMU1985 Wrote:  

(08-10-2022 07:25 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  JMU fans want to fire Cignetti after 1 regular season loss and a deep playoff run. They'll definitely want him fired for the 6-5 or 7-4 season.

I remember when many people wanted George Welsh out as the UVA head football coach after years of winning records. In fact, I remember one stat that only UVA and Michigan had won at least 7 games or more in the last 10 years, or something similar. But, he was too old. Couldn't recruit. Out of touch with the kids. He would never get UVA to the 'next level', etc., etc. I kept thinking. This is stupid. He's winning. Recruiting is great. They have not had a coach like him since he left. So, being quick to toss out a winning coach is a bad idea. HCCC is a winning coach today.

OTOH you can let a 'great' hang around too long (VT with Beamer and Penn St with Paterno)

(08-18-2022 08:15 AM)JMaddy Wrote:  

(08-18-2022 06:28 AM)JMU1985 Wrote:  

(08-10-2022 07:25 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  JMU fans want to fire Cignetti after 1 regular season loss and a deep playoff run. They'll definitely want him fired for the 6-5 or 7-4 season.

I remember when many people wanted George Welsh out as the UVA head football coach after years of winning records. In fact, I remember one stat that only UVA and Michigan had won at least 7 games or more in the last 10 years, or something similar. But, he was too old. Couldn't recruit. Out of touch with the kids. He would never get UVA to the 'next level', etc., etc. I kept thinking. This is stupid. He's winning. Recruiting is great. They have not had a coach like him since he left. So, being quick to toss out a winning coach is a bad idea. HCCC is a winning coach today.

OTOH you can let a 'great' hang around too long (VT with Beamer and Penn St with Paterno)

True, in the abstract. Texas thought Mac Brown was “tired and old” and showed him the door, and has spent the following decade trying to reestablish its program as a consistent winner. The moral of the story being be careful what you wish for.

JMU showed MM the door much the same way UT did with Mac Brown, but JMU was much more successful in hiring MM’s successor, as well as the next 2 HCs. There’s no evidence HCCC is tired or old. After the next 3+ seasons JMU will know if Cig is the man for our FB program in the SBC.

I get the "be careful what you wish for" thinking, firing a coach who's plateaued could always go downhill. I'm always a big believer in going for it and not being satisfied with just being mediocre though, especially with not winning championships. You've just gotta realize it's a gamble and be committed to investing what you need to minimize the risk. JMU did it right with Mickey Matthews and did it wrong with Matt Brady.

If Cig is putting up a bunch of ok to pretty good seasons and never winning the SBC then I hope JMU isn't afraid to move on. Of course by the time it could start to look that way he might be ready to retire anyway.

(08-19-2022 01:25 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  I get the "be careful what you wish for" thinking, firing a coach who's plateaued could always go downhill. I'm always a big believer in going for it and not being satisfied with just being mediocre though, especially with not winning championships. You've just gotta realize it's a gamble and be committed to investing what you need to minimize the risk. JMU did it right with Mickey Matthews and did it wrong with Matt Brady.

If Cig is putting up a bunch of ok to pretty good seasons and never winning the SBC then I hope JMU isn't afraid to move on. Of course by the time it could start to look that way he might be ready to retire anyway.

Your highlighted statement is spot-on, and which is why Cig is exactly the right HC for JMU to lead this move, and will be for the next several seasons.

Hypothetically, let’s say JMU’s first four FBS seasons post the following records:

2022 - 6-5 (ineligible for a bowl game)
2023 - 7-6 (loses a bowl game)
2024 - 8-5 (wins a bowl game)
2025 - 9-6 (loses a SBC championship game; wins a bowl game)

Four year record 30-22, 2-1 in bowl games, 0-1 in SBC championships.

A winning percentage of 58%
Cig is 65-66 years young.

Question: Does Cig get an extension, or does he “resign”?

To the original post title:

No, change the keys, lock the damn gates. Keep him out. Go coach at charlotte or whoever else you played there MH.

(08-19-2022 04:49 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(08-19-2022 01:25 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  I get the "be careful what you wish for" thinking, firing a coach who's plateaued could always go downhill. I'm always a big believer in going for it and not being satisfied with just being mediocre though, especially with not winning championships. You've just gotta realize it's a gamble and be committed to investing what you need to minimize the risk. JMU did it right with Mickey Matthews and did it wrong with Matt Brady.

If Cig is putting up a bunch of ok to pretty good seasons and never winning the SBC then I hope JMU isn't afraid to move on. Of course by the time it could start to look that way he might be ready to retire anyway.

Your highlighted statement is spot-on, and which is why Cig is exactly the right HC for JMU to lead this move, and will be for the next several seasons.

Hypothetically, let’s say JMU’s first four FBS seasons post the following records:

2022 - 6-5 (ineligible for a bowl game)
2023 - 7-6 (loses a bowl game)
2024 - 8-5 (wins a bowl game)
2025 - 9-6 (loses a SBC championship game; wins a bowl game)

Four year record 30-22, 2-1 in bowl games, 0-1 in SBC championships.

A winning percentage of 58%
Cig is 65-66 years young.

Question: Does Cig get an extension, or does he “resign”?

In that scenario I think you extend him about three years(his current contract runs through 2027 just to refresh anyone's memory if needed). He started out just fine in FBS and has shown slow but steady improvement in a tough conference/division. He's also just getting to where he has a full roster of guys he recruited to an FBS program.

He'll also have shown he can win some decently big moments with the bowl wins, though I'd feel better about the extension if he's also taken down some P5's at that point and if the SBC Championship loss didn't feel like caving on the big stage. Get out to 2027 or 2028 and he might be ready to retire anyway, but if he's regressed then it'd probably be time to move on or encourage retirement.

PS looks like you've got an extra game in the 2025 record. I assume you mean 9-5, though that would mean we win the SBC East at 8-4 which seems either pretty unlikely or like a very rough year out of conference. Something like 10-4 or 11-3 seems more likely if we're talking SBC Championship loss and bowl win, plus would make an extension the more clear choice.

(08-20-2022 04:56 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  

(08-19-2022 04:49 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(08-19-2022 01:25 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  I get the "be careful what you wish for" thinking, firing a coach who's plateaued could always go downhill. I'm always a big believer in going for it and not being satisfied with just being mediocre though, especially with not winning championships. You've just gotta realize it's a gamble and be committed to investing what you need to minimize the risk. JMU did it right with Mickey Matthews and did it wrong with Matt Brady.

If Cig is putting up a bunch of ok to pretty good seasons and never winning the SBC then I hope JMU isn't afraid to move on. Of course by the time it could start to look that way he might be ready to retire anyway.

Your highlighted statement is spot-on, and which is why Cig is exactly the right HC for JMU to lead this move, and will be for the next several seasons.

Hypothetically, let’s say JMU’s first four FBS seasons post the following records:

2022 - 6-5 (ineligible for a bowl game)
2023 - 7-6 (loses a bowl game)
2024 - 8-5 (wins a bowl game)
2025 - 9-6 (loses a SBC championship game; wins a bowl game)

Four year record 30-22, 2-1 in bowl games, 0-1 in SBC championships.

A winning percentage of 58%
Cig is 65-66 years young.

Question: Does Cig get an extension, or does he “resign”?

In that scenario I think you extend him about three years(his current contract runs through 2027 just to refresh anyone's memory if needed). He started out just fine in FBS and has shown slow but steady improvement in a tough conference/division. He's also just getting to where he has a full roster of guys he recruited to an FBS program.

He'll also have shown he can win some decently big moments with the bowl wins, though I'd feel better about the extension if he's also taken down some P5's at that point and if the SBC Championship loss didn't feel like caving on the big stage. Get out to 2027 or 2028 and he might be ready to retire anyway, but if he's regressed then it'd probably be time to move on or encourage retirement.

PS looks like you've got an extra game in the 2025 record. I assume you mean 9-5, though that would mean we win the SBC East at 8-4 which seems either pretty unlikely or like a very rough year out of conference. Something like 10-4 or 11-3 seems more likely if we're talking SBC Championship loss and bowl win, plus would make an extension the more clear choice.

Yes! Thanks for the correction. I did mean to suggest an 8-4 regular season, with a loss in the SBC championship and a bowl win, ending the hypothetical 2025 season at 9-5.

(08-11-2022 02:15 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  I mean if my childish username is on the same level of hurling expletives like blackout DirtyDukes or undergrad Hyperduke at a Richmond game then that's a reflection of our different values but that has already been established

Richmond = the worst.