BC or Cuse could of got them the same dollars if they were added at that time instead of Rutgers. Heck, UConn probably too.

(08-07-2022 03:21 PM)Poster Wrote:  

(08-07-2022 03:03 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(08-07-2022 02:16 PM)Strut Wrote:  Think about this, Rutgers has more opportunity to move the needle for B1G than even Alabama for SEC. As much as Alabama has won they've probably plateaued in interest overall even if it's a high plateau and maybe even jaded fans that have become somewhat bored with same ole thing every year. If Rutgers were to win on a similar level or even slightly less than Northwestern has over last 10 years or so the NY/NJ DMA would have ratings moonshot they'd be so popular! NYC loves winning of any kind and Rutgers band wagon would be full.

The potential is there in theory. But, in reality?

Population is one thing, but culture is another. And I don't disagree about the potential ceiling Rutgers has. It's the same as any big school in/near a major metropolitan area. Maybe more comparable for Rutgers, or Maryland, is USC/UCLA?

Then again, why is UCLA moving? Same thing that is plaguing Berkeley? And what was prompting Maryland's move?

I think, simply put: popularity be darned, the location both serves for potentially huge fanbases but still poses massive (maybe insurmountable) budgetary/operational challenges. It's maybe even harder for the public schools. And it doesn't seem like any of these metro schools are going yard with respect to their markets. Especially in the northeast. They're said to be "pro towns," where the NFL/NBA/MLB teams dominate the coverage/press.

It's different in the rural areas. And it seems totally different down in the South. It's not to say schools can't try to flex their muscles in athletics. But, if it isn't working, and there's a tax base picking up the bill, or conferences are simply exploiting the general public through cable carriage rates? I've got a problem with that. Or, I feel like I'm owed a due date when a school or conference wants to carry out some of these silly experiments.

Yeah, Rutgers being more valuable for the Big 10 than Alabama is for the SEC? Seriously, WTF?


For starters, Rutgers is a historically bad football program. Maybe Schiano will lead them to some 7-6 type seasons, but Rutgers will probably be back to being a 3-9 type program once he retires. How much of a following Rutgers could gain if they were good is basically a completely irrelevant question. Because there’s no reason to think Rutgers ever will be good. (Let alone as good as Alabama.)

Plus NYC is mostly about pro sports, and a lot of people who live in NYC are actually transplants from another part of the country.

Like I said, that potential is hypothetical. Any theory toward realizing the potential is just simply skimming off the population of the area in a 50-mile radius of the school. And, yes, we all know Rutgers has not been very good at that for a very long time. Yet, because the Empire State Building gets lit red two times in the last 22 years, suddenly there is the faintest glimmer of NYC embracing Rutgers as a city school/team. It's nuts.

I'm more intrigued by how "burdened" by athletic operational costs city/metro schools are compared to those that are in more rural settings. That you have it to a point where two LA schools up and relocate to a midwestern conference (and let's be honest, more than half that conference sits in the eastern time zone at this moment), with one of those schools facing deficit issues, and then you couple UCLA with the likes of the issues plaguing Rutgers and Maryland...I really think this puts any potential for Rutgers into further doubt.

I'm really just more annoyed by how exploitative the conference was into forcing cable subscribers in the metro area to pay for BTN. Straight up, textbook cash grab.

Strut Wrote:As you mentioned, I was for a time one of those transplants living and working in NY/NJ DMA for several years and saw first hand the potential for Rutgers (Piscataway and Meadowlands stadiums) based on very large alumni base that just needed a reason to be energized.

Same here. I was living in NYC when the first lighting of the Empire State Building for Rutgers occurred. I also listened to NYC sports radio during those years...to say that the importance or value was a little overstated is putting it mildly.

I'm more troubled by how thin the attendance has been for Rutgers games since they joined the conference. How few of those transplants are even showing up. That you're not seeing Piscataway being taken over by Columbus, Ann Arbor, or Happy Valley; sold out and turned into a home-away-from-home venue. I've posted numerous times in other threads screen shots of the empty stadiums on primetime slots games Rutgers had in NJ against Penn State and Ohio State. You can see other glaring gaps against other schools, too.

Turns out, people don't want to drive/fly east into the Metro, paying a premium for lodging, parking, eating, etc., just to get the body-bag game experience. Can you blame any other Big Ten schools' fans/alumni for that? And I don't put that at the feet of Rutgers for applying and then accepting Big Ten membership. I really put that at the feet of the Big Ten conference and member school presidents who exploited a cable carriage model and their respective students, alumni, and fans to "fall in line" to support their schools no matter where they play.

So by this logic, the logical next move would be getting a Florida team to join (lots of B1G alumni, lots of eyeballs, high TV ratings for college sports). There's a team in Tallahassee that would be perfect.

(08-07-2022 03:08 PM)cubucks Wrote:  

(08-07-2022 02:41 PM)Poster Wrote:  It is rather suspicious how schools like Washington and Oregon supposedly would negative value for the Big 10, but Rutgers and Maryland are supposed to have positive value. The math to that really doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.


Even if you look at things purely from a “market size” perspective, Washington has 10 US House seats, Maryland has 8 US House seats and New Jersey has 13 US House seats. Washington state is actually bigger than Maryland, and not that much smaller than NJ.


I know that half the rationale is the Washington DC and NYC tv markets, but it almost seems embarrassing to claim they bring these markets when they barely bring the markets of their home states. Washington DC is not really that big of a city, anyway. (If DC was a state, it would be the second least populated state, just barely ahead of Wyoming.)


Piscataway isn’t even as close to NYC as Rutgers fans would have you believe. It’s 40 miles outside NYC, which is 74 minutes with current traffic.

Agreed! I am shocked that when this went down; Washington wasn't added too. I would have to believe that they already know they will be in the BIG soon? Stanford too, but I'm not 100% sure about Oregon and Cal?

I do understand the Rutgers and Maryland scenario, as someone responded to you about that in a previous post.

Great post, I too have wondered this.

DC isn't that populated, but the DMV is one of the top 10 metro areas.

(08-07-2022 12:52 PM)ruinrochester Wrote:  

(08-07-2022 12:06 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  We know - the Big 10 is screwing the cable subscribers of New Jersey and the Big 10 diluted the product to get the money. We also believe this source of money is falling every year as folks drop cable. Cable was in decline when Rutgers was added. If the Big 10 is stuck with Rutgers forever, and the "extra" money (taken from NJ residents) lasts for 15 years, this is a terrible deal.

Rutgers is a cash cow being milked by the Big 10. They are terrible at sports and now Oh State, Michigan, Penn St, Michigan St fans are stuck seeing their teams play a MAC level game every year. If you have vision for more than 5 years, Rutgers is a terrible addition to the Big 10. Everybody knows why the Big 10 added Rutgers - we just think it was terrible.

Sports drives TV marketing due to it's "live" nature.. The source of money is not "dropping" due to cord cutting . It's actually increasing. Cable morphs into Streaming and the same rules apply, except now via apps and streaming it's more measured, and the findings are "better"! It's due to time shifting regular shows, and yet sports, that doesn't happen and of the massive appeal of Gambling and the future there...

Then I'm sorry tell you, believe it or not of the top 5 ESPN2 games in the NYC DMA, Rutgers was in 4 of the 5 highest in NYC... For ESPN Rutgers was in one of the 5 highest rated college football game in the NYC DMA. People think it's not a lot, because they think "Rutgers?".. But actually it's the percentages of a massive concentrated population base so when the Times say 20% Cheer for Rutgers, that's 20% of a LARGE number...

I'm highly skeptical of that 20% number. That being said, if 4 of the 5 highest rated games involved Rutgers, that's far more likely to be because of fans of their opponents than because of Rutgers fans. There were tons of Big Ten alumni residing in the NYC area before Rutgers was added.

(08-07-2022 03:03 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(08-07-2022 02:16 PM)Strut Wrote:  Think about this, Rutgers has more opportunity to move the needle for B1G than even Alabama for SEC. As much as Alabama has won they've probably plateaued in interest overall even if it's a high plateau and maybe even jaded fans that have become somewhat bored with same ole thing every year. If Rutgers were to win on a similar level or even slightly less than Northwestern has over last 10 years or so the NY/NJ DMA would have ratings moonshot they'd be so popular! NYC loves winning of any kind and Rutgers band wagon would be full.

The potential is there in theory. But, in reality?

Population is one thing, but culture is another. And I don't disagree about the potential ceiling Rutgers has. It's the same as any big school in/near a major metropolitan area. Maybe more comparable for Rutgers, or Maryland, is USC/UCLA?

Then again, why is UCLA moving? Same thing that is plaguing Berkeley? And what was prompting Maryland's move?

I think, simply put: popularity be darned, the location both serves for potentially huge fanbases but still poses massive (maybe insurmountable) budgetary/operational challenges. It's maybe even harder for the public schools. And it doesn't seem like any of these metro schools are going yard with respect to their markets. Especially in the northeast. They're said to be "pro towns," where the NFL/NBA/MLB teams dominate the coverage/press.

It's different in the rural areas. And it seems totally different down in the South. It's not to say schools can't try to flex their muscles in athletics. But, if it isn't working, and there's a tax base picking up the bill, or conferences are simply exploiting the general public through cable carriage rates? I've got a problem with that. Or, I feel like I'm owed a due date when a school or conference wants to carry out some of these silly experiments.

Ok, in Maryland's case it was both debt and the ability for a key booster with huge ties to the athletic department (UMD is Under Armour U) to broaden his market.

(08-08-2022 06:25 AM)penguino Wrote:  

(08-07-2022 11:39 PM)PusherT Wrote:  

(08-07-2022 02:41 PM)Poster Wrote:  It is rather suspicious how schools like Washington and Oregon supposedly would negative value for the Big 10, but Rutgers and Maryland are supposed to have positive value. The math to that really doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.


Even if you look at things purely from a “market size” perspective, Washington has 10 US House seats, Maryland has 8 US House seats and New Jersey has 13 US House seats. Washington state is actually bigger than Maryland, and not that much smaller than NJ.


I know that half the rationale is the Washington DC and NYC tv markets, but it almost seems embarrassing to claim they bring these markets when they barely bring the markets of their home states. Washington DC is not really that big of a city, anyway. (If DC was a state, it would be the second least populated state, just barely ahead of Wyoming.)


Piscataway isn’t even as close to NYC as Rutgers fans would have you believe. It’s 40 miles outside NYC, which is 74 minutes with current traffic.

These Rutgers fans are a joke Syracuse actually is in NYS and has fanbase and has reach into NYC as well. And Syracuse actually has a winning BB program unlike New Jersey u

ROFLMAO - Thanks for the morning laugh Sewercuse.....your "Only" 252 miles from NEW YORK CITY.....problem is most of you don't understand economics and markets......so just for you, one more time, Sewercuse is not in the NYC/NJ DMA Market. No matter how bad Rutgers is/was/will be (and most honest RU fans will admit to this), we will be in, and you will be left out. Get used to it.....

I agree, I don't think Syracuse or UConn could have gotten the B1G the same kind of carriage-rate payoff in NYC the way Rutgers did. Syracuse has alumni in NYC of course but that's not IMO the same thing as being in the market. LSU has a lot of alumni in Houston but IIRC until TAMU joined the SEC wasn't benefitting from that. Georgetown, located in northwest DC, is closer to MSG than is Syracuse, LOL.

Heck, if the B1G could have, they probably would have invited Syracuse or UConn instead of Rutgers. IMO, unlike those schools, Rutgers had basically nothing going for it except for its location in the greater NYC market.

(08-08-2022 09:09 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  BC or Cuse could of got them the same dollars if they were added at that time instead of Rutgers. Heck, UConn probably too.

Unfortunately.. You are WRONG! BC or Syracuse do NOT reside in the NYC DMA, hence the $250,000,000 ANNUAL payday.. You may need to revisit your maps.. ha ha..

Connecticut ... OMG... You must not have watched football in the last 5 years... but it's in Touland County.. and the ONLY County of Connetictut in the NYC DMA is Fairfield County so .......... WRONG again.

Neither of these 3 qualify to hit the bell and ring up $250,000,000 anually to the B10.
Remember YOU MUST BE IN IT TO WIN IT!!!

Let me Help

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MARKET NAME: NEW YORK
TV HOMES: 7,348,620
% OF US: 6.41%
RANK: 1
STATE: CT, NJ, NY, PA
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Bergen, NJ
Bronx, NY
Dutchess, NY
Essex, NJ
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Hunterdon, NJ
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Middlesex, NJ
Monmouth, NJ
Morris, NJ
Nassau, NY
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Passaic, NJ
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Westchester, NY
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(08-07-2022 02:41 PM)Poster Wrote:  It is rather suspicious how schools like Washington and Oregon supposedly would negative value for the Big 10, but Rutgers and Maryland are supposed to have positive value. The math to that really doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.

Simple. different rules for applicants vs continuing members.

If the Big Ten TV revenue number comes in at $1.25B, then an applicant has to generate more than $80M in TV value to make expansion pay off.

Continuing members don't have to meet that standard. They barely have to meet any standards at all--stay Division I, that's about it.

Rutgers and Maryland brought a lot of value in 2014 when they were added, bringing the NYC, Washington and Baltimore DMAs into the BTN basic-cable in-market footprint. That's still paying off, even though it pays off a little bit less every year.

Half of the Big Ten schools maybe have less value than Oregon or Washington, but they're inside the castle, not out in the rain knocking on the gate begging for entry.

Quote:I know that half the rationale is the Washington DC and NYC tv markets, but it almost seems embarrassing to claim they bring these markets when they barely bring the markets of their home states. Washington DC is not really that big of a city, anyway. (If DC was a state, it would be the second least populated state, just barely ahead of Wyoming.)

Half of the DC DMA is northern Virginia, which does have a decent amount of UMD grads.

Quote:Piscataway isn’t even as close to NYC as Rutgers fans would have you believe. It’s 40 miles outside NYC, which is 74 minutes with current traffic.

That's not that far by New York area standards. That's an average commute.

(08-08-2022 09:27 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(08-07-2022 12:52 PM)ruinrochester Wrote:  

(08-07-2022 12:06 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  We know - the Big 10 is screwing the cable subscribers of New Jersey and the Big 10 diluted the product to get the money. We also believe this source of money is falling every year as folks drop cable. Cable was in decline when Rutgers was added. If the Big 10 is stuck with Rutgers forever, and the "extra" money (taken from NJ residents) lasts for 15 years, this is a terrible deal.

Rutgers is a cash cow being milked by the Big 10. They are terrible at sports and now Oh State, Michigan, Penn St, Michigan St fans are stuck seeing their teams play a MAC level game every year. If you have vision for more than 5 years, Rutgers is a terrible addition to the Big 10. Everybody knows why the Big 10 added Rutgers - we just think it was terrible.

Sports drives TV marketing due to it's "live" nature.. The source of money is not "dropping" due to cord cutting . It's actually increasing. Cable morphs into Streaming and the same rules apply, except now via apps and streaming it's more measured, and the findings are "better"! It's due to time shifting regular shows, and yet sports, that doesn't happen and of the massive appeal of Gambling and the future there...

Then I'm sorry tell you, believe it or not of the top 5 ESPN2 games in the NYC DMA, Rutgers was in 4 of the 5 highest in NYC... For ESPN Rutgers was in one of the 5 highest rated college football game in the NYC DMA. People think it's not a lot, because they think "Rutgers?".. But actually it's the percentages of a massive concentrated population base so when the Times say 20% Cheer for Rutgers, that's 20% of a LARGE number...

I'm highly skeptical of that 20% number. That being said, if 4 of the 5 highest rated games involved Rutgers, that's far more likely to be because of fans of their opponents than because of Rutgers fans. There were tons of Big Ten alumni residing in the NYC area before Rutgers was added.

Amazing how they grasp for anything to avoid the truth in front of them. The "opponents". ROFLMAO .... you think? Or do they play by themselves... amazing what they say on these... a compelling matchup is a compelling matchup. And finally.. duh. of course the B10 added Rutgers to help ALL of the thousands of B10 alumni working and living in the NYC Metro Area..

The study was done by the NY Times.so unless the Ken D Study is published anytime soon, you can go back to reading and hoping... ha ha ha . Remember highest rated on ESPN, and 4 out of 5 highest rated on ESPN 2.. Facts please opinions are ... nothing.. ha ha..

(08-07-2022 03:21 PM)Poster Wrote:  

(08-07-2022 03:03 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(08-07-2022 02:16 PM)Strut Wrote:  Think about this, Rutgers has more opportunity to move the needle for B1G than even Alabama for SEC. As much as Alabama has won they've probably plateaued in interest overall even if it's a high plateau and maybe even jaded fans that have become somewhat bored with same ole thing every year. If Rutgers were to win on a similar level or even slightly less than Northwestern has over last 10 years or so the NY/NJ DMA would have ratings moonshot they'd be so popular! NYC loves winning of any kind and Rutgers band wagon would be full.

The potential is there in theory. But, in reality?

Population is one thing, but culture is another. And I don't disagree about the potential ceiling Rutgers has. It's the same as any big school in/near a major metropolitan area. Maybe more comparable for Rutgers, or Maryland, is USC/UCLA?

Then again, why is UCLA moving? Same thing that is plaguing Berkeley? And what was prompting Maryland's move?

I think, simply put: popularity be darned, the location both serves for potentially huge fanbases but still poses massive (maybe insurmountable) budgetary/operational challenges. It's maybe even harder for the public schools. And it doesn't seem like any of these metro schools are going yard with respect to their markets. Especially in the northeast. They're said to be "pro towns," where the NFL/NBA/MLB teams dominate the coverage/press.

It's different in the rural areas. And it seems totally different down in the South. It's not to say schools can't try to flex their muscles in athletics. But, if it isn't working, and there's a tax base picking up the bill, or conferences are simply exploiting the general public through cable carriage rates? I've got a problem with that. Or, I feel like I'm owed a due date when a school or conference wants to carry out some of these silly experiments.

Yeah, Rutgers being more valuable for the Big 10 than Alabama is for the SEC? Seriously, WTF?

Not what he said. Alabama's value, after a couple of decades of winning national championships regularly, will never be higher than it is now.

Rutgers, on the other hand? Their value probably can't be any lower than it is now. If they figured out how to get to 8 wins regularly, in the New York area, would be something.

(08-08-2022 09:23 AM)whittx Wrote:  So by this logic, the logical next move would be getting a Florida team to join (lots of B1G alumni, lots of eyeballs, high TV ratings for college sports). There's a team in Tallahassee that would be perfect.

My guess, and I live in Florida.. from both an academic, and with the LARGE Northeastern NY, NJ, CT transplants to the South Eastern Florida area, so I put Miami at the top of the list for Florida. As a matter of fact, I am in a 32 story high rise condo on the oceanfront in Miami, and there are more people in my building from NYC, then not.

.

It sounds like they're estimating that, on average, the east coast schools (Rutgers, Penn State, and Maryland) are adding nearly $70 million to the Big Ten, annually.

If that's the case then Pitt, Syracuse, and Boston College may be adding a similar amount to the ACC, and the case for adding another east coast school in a top 6 market, such as Temple, would be rather compelling.

.

(08-07-2022 12:52 PM)ruinrochester Wrote:  

(08-07-2022 12:06 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  We know - the Big 10 is screwing the cable subscribers of New Jersey and the Big 10 diluted the product to get the money. We also believe this source of money is falling every year as folks drop cable. Cable was in decline when Rutgers was added. If the Big 10 is stuck with Rutgers forever, and the "extra" money (taken from NJ residents) lasts for 15 years, this is a terrible deal.

Rutgers is a cash cow being milked by the Big 10. They are terrible at sports and now Oh State, Michigan, Penn St, Michigan St fans are stuck seeing their teams play a MAC level game every year. If you have vision for more than 5 years, Rutgers is a terrible addition to the Big 10. Everybody knows why the Big 10 added Rutgers - we just think it was terrible.

Sports drives TV marketing due to it's "live" nature.. The source of money is not "dropping" due to cord cutting . It's actually increasing. Cable morphs into Streaming and the same rules apply, except now via apps and streaming it's more measured, and the findings are "better"! It's due to time shifting regular shows, and yet sports, that doesn't happen and of the massive appeal of Gambling and the future there...

Then I'm sorry tell you, believe it or not of the top 5 ESPN2 games in the NYC DMA, Rutgers was in 4 of the 5 highest in NYC... For ESPN Rutgers was in one of the 5 highest rated college football game in the NYC DMA. People think it's not a lot, because they think "Rutgers?".. But actually it's the percentages of a massive concentrated population base so when the Times say 20% Cheer for Rutgers, that's 20% of a LARGE number...

Spot on. I think the cost of an un-balkanized ESPN app/streaming service that gives you everything on every ESPN network --- so SEC Network, ACC Network, ESPN, ESPN2, ABC, ESPN+, ESPN3, etc. --- could command in excess of what people are paying for Netflix, Hulu, Prime, etc. As people continue to move away from cable, the media companies will adjust and get their pound of flesh by aggregating their content and making you pay through the nose for the convenience of having ever ESPN or Fox property accessible on your phone, iPad, etc.

(08-08-2022 10:34 AM)ruinrochester Wrote:  

(08-08-2022 09:09 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  BC or Cuse could of got them the same dollars if they were added at that time instead of Rutgers. Heck, UConn probably too.

Unfortunately.. You are WRONG! BC or Syracuse do NOT reside in the NYC DMA, hence the $250,000,000 ANNUAL payday.. You may need to revisit your maps.. ha ha..

Connecticut ... OMG... You must not have watched football in the last 5 years... but it's in Touland County.. and the ONLY County of Connetictut in the NYC DMA is Fairfield County so .......... WRONG again.

Neither of these 3 qualify to hit the bell and ring up $250,000,000 anually to the B10.
Remember YOU MUST BE IN IT TO WIN IT!!!

Let me Help

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MARKET NAME: NEW YORK
TV HOMES: 7,348,620
% OF US: 6.41%
RANK: 1
STATE: CT, NJ, NY, PA
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Bergen, NJ
Bronx, NY
Dutchess, NY
Essex, NJ
Fairfield, CT
Hudson, NJ
Hunterdon, NJ
Kings, NY
Middlesex, NJ
Monmouth, NJ
Morris, NJ
Nassau, NY
New York, NY
Ocean, NJ
Orange, NY
Passaic, NJ
Pike, PA
Putnam, NY
Queens, NY
Richmond, NY
Rockland, NY
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Suffolk, NY
Sullivan, NY
Sussex, NJ
Ulster, NY
Union, NJ
Warren, NJ
Westchester, NY
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Not sure what your goal was with this thread. We've seen all of this back in 2012 - 2014 when the B1G expansion talk was going full bore prior to Nebraska, Rutgers and Maryland getting their invites. This is the type of discussion that makes college athletics suck ass to be frank. What's the argument crowing about being in the B1G - "my school gets throttled in numerous sports in the athletic conference but we get more athletic dollars"? Who cares?

Think about it. Rutgers has a school of engineering, nursing, CAS, business school, etc. If I was a Rutgers alum, my primary concern would be 1) the university is doing well on the academic front and 2) the university is doing a great job educating local students to stay in the area and make the community better. Outside of that, who gives a fvck what other dalliances the university whores itself out for.

(08-08-2022 12:53 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(08-08-2022 10:34 AM)ruinrochester Wrote:  

(08-08-2022 09:09 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  BC or Cuse could of got them the same dollars if they were added at that time instead of Rutgers. Heck, UConn probably too.

Unfortunately.. You are WRONG! BC or Syracuse do NOT reside in the NYC DMA, hence the $250,000,000 ANNUAL payday.. You may need to revisit your maps.. ha ha..

Connecticut ... OMG... You must not have watched football in the last 5 years... but it's in Touland County.. and the ONLY County of Connetictut in the NYC DMA is Fairfield County so .......... WRONG again.

Neither of these 3 qualify to hit the bell and ring up $250,000,000 anually to the B10.
Remember YOU MUST BE IN IT TO WIN IT!!!

Let me Help

QUICK STATS FOR NEW YORK DMA

MARKET NAME: NEW YORK
TV HOMES: 7,348,620
% OF US: 6.41%
RANK: 1
STATE: CT, NJ, NY, PA
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Bergen, NJ
Bronx, NY
Dutchess, NY
Essex, NJ
Fairfield, CT
Hudson, NJ
Hunterdon, NJ
Kings, NY
Middlesex, NJ
Monmouth, NJ
Morris, NJ
Nassau, NY
New York, NY
Ocean, NJ
Orange, NY
Passaic, NJ
Pike, PA
Putnam, NY
Queens, NY
Richmond, NY
Rockland, NY
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Suffolk, NY
Sullivan, NY
Sussex, NJ
Ulster, NY
Union, NJ
Warren, NJ
Westchester, NY
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Not sure what your goal was with this thread. We've seen all of this back in 2012 - 2014 when the B1G expansion talk was going full bore prior to Nebraska, Rutgers and Maryland getting their invites. This is the type of discussion that makes college athletics suck ass to be frank. What's the argument crowing about being in the B1G - "my school gets throttled in numerous sports in the athletic conference but we get more athletic dollars"? Who cares?

Think about it. Rutgers has a school of engineering, nursing, CAS, business school, etc. If I was a Rutgers alum, my primary concern would be 1) the university is doing well on the academic front and 2) the university is doing a great job educating local students to stay in the area and make the community better. Outside of that, who gives a fvck what other dalliances the university whores itself out for.

Well.... ha ha.. I guess we've left the area where intelligent and thought provoking conversations are exchanged so we can act grown up.. and yet, we fail. I've moved on from you thank you... Go Rutgers.

(08-08-2022 03:04 PM)ruinrochester Wrote:  

(08-08-2022 12:53 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(08-08-2022 10:34 AM)ruinrochester Wrote:  

(08-08-2022 09:09 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  BC or Cuse could of got them the same dollars if they were added at that time instead of Rutgers. Heck, UConn probably too.

Unfortunately.. You are WRONG! BC or Syracuse do NOT reside in the NYC DMA, hence the $250,000,000 ANNUAL payday.. You may need to revisit your maps.. ha ha..

Connecticut ... OMG... You must not have watched football in the last 5 years... but it's in Touland County.. and the ONLY County of Connetictut in the NYC DMA is Fairfield County so .......... WRONG again.

Neither of these 3 qualify to hit the bell and ring up $250,000,000 anually to the B10.
Remember YOU MUST BE IN IT TO WIN IT!!!

Let me Help

QUICK STATS FOR NEW YORK DMA

MARKET NAME: NEW YORK
TV HOMES: 7,348,620
% OF US: 6.41%
RANK: 1
STATE: CT, NJ, NY, PA
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Bergen, NJ
Bronx, NY
Dutchess, NY
Essex, NJ
Fairfield, CT
Hudson, NJ
Hunterdon, NJ
Kings, NY
Middlesex, NJ
Monmouth, NJ
Morris, NJ
Nassau, NY
New York, NY
Ocean, NJ
Orange, NY
Passaic, NJ
Pike, PA
Putnam, NY
Queens, NY
Richmond, NY
Rockland, NY
Somerset, NJ
Suffolk, NY
Sullivan, NY
Sussex, NJ
Ulster, NY
Union, NJ
Warren, NJ
Westchester, NY
SAMPLE LIST OF ZIP CODES IN THE NEW YORK MEDIA MARKET AREA

Not sure what your goal was with this thread. We've seen all of this back in 2012 - 2014 when the B1G expansion talk was going full bore prior to Nebraska, Rutgers and Maryland getting their invites. This is the type of discussion that makes college athletics suck ass to be frank. What's the argument crowing about being in the B1G - "my school gets throttled in numerous sports in the athletic conference but we get more athletic dollars"? Who cares?

Think about it. Rutgers has a school of engineering, nursing, CAS, business school, etc. If I was a Rutgers alum, my primary concern would be 1) the university is doing well on the academic front and 2) the university is doing a great job educating local students to stay in the area and make the community better. Outside of that, who gives a fvck what other dalliances the university whores itself out for.

Well.... ha ha.. I guess we've left the area where intelligent and thought provoking conversations are exchanged so we can act grown up.. and yet, we fail. I've moved on from you thank you... Go Rutgers.

LOL, what's thought provoking in this thread? Access to NYC, DMA, B1G carriage fees and "imagine how the fans of left behind programs feel"... These are the themes of your thread. What's so special about this? I'm not trying to be rude or mean to you - just stating that you would have had to be living under a rock in the early 2010s to have not heard all of these traits concerning Rutgers. We get it. Rutgers fit the B1G model because of carriage fees for the channel.

(08-08-2022 06:18 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(08-08-2022 03:04 PM)ruinrochester Wrote:  

(08-08-2022 12:53 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(08-08-2022 10:34 AM)ruinrochester Wrote:  

(08-08-2022 09:09 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  BC or Cuse could of got them the same dollars if they were added at that time instead of Rutgers. Heck, UConn probably too.

Unfortunately.. You are WRONG! BC or Syracuse do NOT reside in the NYC DMA, hence the $250,000,000 ANNUAL payday.. You may need to revisit your maps.. ha ha..

Connecticut ... OMG... You must not have watched football in the last 5 years... but it's in Touland County.. and the ONLY County of Connetictut in the NYC DMA is Fairfield County so .......... WRONG again.

Neither of these 3 qualify to hit the bell and ring up $250,000,000 anually to the B10.
Remember YOU MUST BE IN IT TO WIN IT!!!

Let me Help

QUICK STATS FOR NEW YORK DMA

MARKET NAME: NEW YORK
TV HOMES: 7,348,620
% OF US: 6.41%
RANK: 1
STATE: CT, NJ, NY, PA
COUNTIES IN THE NEW YORK MEDIA MARKET AREA

Bergen, NJ
Bronx, NY
Dutchess, NY
Essex, NJ
Fairfield, CT
Hudson, NJ
Hunterdon, NJ
Kings, NY
Middlesex, NJ
Monmouth, NJ
Morris, NJ
Nassau, NY
New York, NY
Ocean, NJ
Orange, NY
Passaic, NJ
Pike, PA
Putnam, NY
Queens, NY
Richmond, NY
Rockland, NY
Somerset, NJ
Suffolk, NY
Sullivan, NY
Sussex, NJ
Ulster, NY
Union, NJ
Warren, NJ
Westchester, NY
SAMPLE LIST OF ZIP CODES IN THE NEW YORK MEDIA MARKET AREA

Not sure what your goal was with this thread. We've seen all of this back in 2012 - 2014 when the B1G expansion talk was going full bore prior to Nebraska, Rutgers and Maryland getting their invites. This is the type of discussion that makes college athletics suck ass to be frank. What's the argument crowing about being in the B1G - "my school gets throttled in numerous sports in the athletic conference but we get more athletic dollars"? Who cares?

Think about it. Rutgers has a school of engineering, nursing, CAS, business school, etc. If I was a Rutgers alum, my primary concern would be 1) the university is doing well on the academic front and 2) the university is doing a great job educating local students to stay in the area and make the community better. Outside of that, who gives a fvck what other dalliances the university whores itself out for.

Well.... ha ha.. I guess we've left the area where intelligent and thought provoking conversations are exchanged so we can act grown up.. and yet, we fail. I've moved on from you thank you... Go Rutgers.

LOL, what's thought provoking in this thread? Access to NYC, DMA, B1G carriage fees and "imagine how the fans of left behind programs feel"... These are the themes of your thread. What's so special about this? I'm not trying to be rude or mean to you - just stating that you would have had to be living under a rock in the early 2010s to have not heard all of these traits concerning Rutgers. We get it. Rutgers fit the B1G model because of carriage fees for the channel.

That Rutgers fan is a troll. A few posts in 8 years. I hate that Rutgers is in the big 10. They suck at everything. I grew up in Iowa. A Hawkeye fan. It’s sickening that Iowa has to be in a league with Rutgers. All for the almighty dollar so trolls like that guy can brag about how much tv dollars his school makes.

(08-13-2022 03:56 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(08-08-2022 06:18 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(08-08-2022 03:04 PM)ruinrochester Wrote:  

(08-08-2022 12:53 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(08-08-2022 10:34 AM)ruinrochester Wrote:  Unfortunately.. You are WRONG! BC or Syracuse do NOT reside in the NYC DMA, hence the $250,000,000 ANNUAL payday.. You may need to revisit your maps.. ha ha..

Connecticut ... OMG... You must not have watched football in the last 5 years... but it's in Touland County.. and the ONLY County of Connetictut in the NYC DMA is Fairfield County so .......... WRONG again.

Neither of these 3 qualify to hit the bell and ring up $250,000,000 anually to the B10.
Remember YOU MUST BE IN IT TO WIN IT!!!

Let me Help

QUICK STATS FOR NEW YORK DMA

MARKET NAME: NEW YORK
TV HOMES: 7,348,620
% OF US: 6.41%
RANK: 1
STATE: CT, NJ, NY, PA
COUNTIES IN THE NEW YORK MEDIA MARKET AREA

Bergen, NJ
Bronx, NY
Dutchess, NY
Essex, NJ
Fairfield, CT
Hudson, NJ
Hunterdon, NJ
Kings, NY
Middlesex, NJ
Monmouth, NJ
Morris, NJ
Nassau, NY
New York, NY
Ocean, NJ
Orange, NY
Passaic, NJ
Pike, PA
Putnam, NY
Queens, NY
Richmond, NY
Rockland, NY
Somerset, NJ
Suffolk, NY
Sullivan, NY
Sussex, NJ
Ulster, NY
Union, NJ
Warren, NJ
Westchester, NY
SAMPLE LIST OF ZIP CODES IN THE NEW YORK MEDIA MARKET AREA

Not sure what your goal was with this thread. We've seen all of this back in 2012 - 2014 when the B1G expansion talk was going full bore prior to Nebraska, Rutgers and Maryland getting their invites. This is the type of discussion that makes college athletics suck ass to be frank. What's the argument crowing about being in the B1G - "my school gets throttled in numerous sports in the athletic conference but we get more athletic dollars"? Who cares?

Think about it. Rutgers has a school of engineering, nursing, CAS, business school, etc. If I was a Rutgers alum, my primary concern would be 1) the university is doing well on the academic front and 2) the university is doing a great job educating local students to stay in the area and make the community better. Outside of that, who gives a fvck what other dalliances the university whores itself out for.

Well.... ha ha.. I guess we've left the area where intelligent and thought provoking conversations are exchanged so we can act grown up.. and yet, we fail. I've moved on from you thank you... Go Rutgers.

LOL, what's thought provoking in this thread? Access to NYC, DMA, B1G carriage fees and "imagine how the fans of left behind programs feel"... These are the themes of your thread. What's so special about this? I'm not trying to be rude or mean to you - just stating that you would have had to be living under a rock in the early 2010s to have not heard all of these traits concerning Rutgers. We get it. Rutgers fit the B1G model because of carriage fees for the channel.

That Rutgers fan is a troll. A few posts in 8 years. I hate that Rutgers is in the big 10. They suck at everything. I grew up in Iowa. A Hawkeye fan. It’s sickening that Iowa has to be in a league with Rutgers. All for the almighty dollar so trolls like that guy can brag about how much tv dollars his school makes.

Frankly, I have a very hard time imagining that Rutgers actually generates more revenue for the Big Ten than they take. Especially after there are reports that schools like Washington and Oregon would be money losers for the Big Ten. The idea that Rutgers is a net revenue generator for the Big Ten, but Washington and Oregon would actually take more money from the Big Ten than they’d bring in seems absurd to me.

Let me point out some flaws with his article

1. It’s from awfulannouncing, a website that doesn’t seem any more credible than the Bleacher Report or some other fan run website. It’s not from ESPN.com or something.

2. It’s from 2014, when cord cutting had barely even begun. I’m 2022, the Big Ten is already less able to charge people in NJ for not watching Rutgers football than they were in 2014.


3. It largely discusses the TV ratings of Rutger’s first game or two in the Big Ten. Yeah, of course those games will get good ratings-but at this point, the initial excitement of being in the Big Ten has long ended.


To be honest, I wouldn’t rule out the possibility that Maryland and Rutgers were really added to prevent Penn State from possibly leaving for the ACC. (Especially since this was before anybody talked about the Power 2, and the idea of a team leaving the Big Ten for the ACC wouldn’t have seemed as absurd then as it does now.)

(08-13-2022 03:56 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(08-08-2022 06:18 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(08-08-2022 03:04 PM)ruinrochester Wrote:  

(08-08-2022 12:53 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(08-08-2022 10:34 AM)ruinrochester Wrote:  Unfortunately.. You are WRONG! BC or Syracuse do NOT reside in the NYC DMA, hence the $250,000,000 ANNUAL payday.. You may need to revisit your maps.. ha ha..

Connecticut ... OMG... You must not have watched football in the last 5 years... but it's in Touland County.. and the ONLY County of Connetictut in the NYC DMA is Fairfield County so .......... WRONG again.

Neither of these 3 qualify to hit the bell and ring up $250,000,000 anually to the B10.
Remember YOU MUST BE IN IT TO WIN IT!!!

Let me Help

QUICK STATS FOR NEW YORK DMA

MARKET NAME: NEW YORK
TV HOMES: 7,348,620
% OF US: 6.41%
RANK: 1
STATE: CT, NJ, NY, PA
COUNTIES IN THE NEW YORK MEDIA MARKET AREA

Bergen, NJ
Bronx, NY
Dutchess, NY
Essex, NJ
Fairfield, CT
Hudson, NJ
Hunterdon, NJ
Kings, NY
Middlesex, NJ
Monmouth, NJ
Morris, NJ
Nassau, NY
New York, NY
Ocean, NJ
Orange, NY
Passaic, NJ
Pike, PA
Putnam, NY
Queens, NY
Richmond, NY
Rockland, NY
Somerset, NJ
Suffolk, NY
Sullivan, NY
Sussex, NJ
Ulster, NY
Union, NJ
Warren, NJ
Westchester, NY
SAMPLE LIST OF ZIP CODES IN THE NEW YORK MEDIA MARKET AREA

Not sure what your goal was with this thread. We've seen all of this back in 2012 - 2014 when the B1G expansion talk was going full bore prior to Nebraska, Rutgers and Maryland getting their invites. This is the type of discussion that makes college athletics suck ass to be frank. What's the argument crowing about being in the B1G - "my school gets throttled in numerous sports in the athletic conference but we get more athletic dollars"? Who cares?

Think about it. Rutgers has a school of engineering, nursing, CAS, business school, etc. If I was a Rutgers alum, my primary concern would be 1) the university is doing well on the academic front and 2) the university is doing a great job educating local students to stay in the area and make the community better. Outside of that, who gives a fvck what other dalliances the university whores itself out for.

Well.... ha ha.. I guess we've left the area where intelligent and thought provoking conversations are exchanged so we can act grown up.. and yet, we fail. I've moved on from you thank you... Go Rutgers.

LOL, what's thought provoking in this thread? Access to NYC, DMA, B1G carriage fees and "imagine how the fans of left behind programs feel"... These are the themes of your thread. What's so special about this? I'm not trying to be rude or mean to you - just stating that you would have had to be living under a rock in the early 2010s to have not heard all of these traits concerning Rutgers. We get it. Rutgers fit the B1G model because of carriage fees for the channel.

That Rutgers fan is a troll. A few posts in 8 years. I hate that Rutgers is in the big 10. They suck at everything. I grew up in Iowa. A Hawkeye fan. It’s sickening that Iowa has to be in a league with Rutgers. All for the almighty dollar so trolls like that guy can brag about how much tv dollars his school makes.

Frankly, I have a very hard time imagining that Rutgers actually generates more revenue for the Big Ten than they take. Especially after there are reports that schools like Washington and Oregon would be money losers for the Big Ten. The idea that Rutgers is a net revenue generator for the Big Ten, but Washington and Oregon would actually take more money from the Big Ten than they’d bring in seems absurd to me.

Let me point out some flaws with his article

1. It’s from awfulannouncing, a website that doesn’t seem any more credible than the Bleacher Report or some other fan run website. It’s not from ESPN.com or something.

2. It’s from 2014, when cord cutting had barely even begun. I’m 2022, the Big Ten is already less able to charge people in NJ for not watching Rutgers football than they were in 2014.


3. It largely discusses the TV ratings of Rutger’s first game or two in the Big Ten. Yeah, of course those games will get good ratings-but at this point, the initial excitement of being in the Big Ten has long ended.


To be honest, I wouldn’t rule out the possibility that Maryland and Rutgers were really added to prevent Penn State from possibly leaving for the ACC. (Especially since this was before anybody talked about the Power 2, and the idea of a team leaving the Big Ten for the ACC wouldn’t have seemed as absurd then as it does now.)


The only other possibility is that the Big Ten did an unbelievably bad team valuation of Maryland and Rutgers.