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RE: McMurphy on podcast
(08-07-2022 07:36 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(08-06-2022 04:26 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Because Florida sponsored F.S.U. for SEC membership in '90-91 and wanted to do so again in 2011, when South Carolina wanted to sponsor Clemson. Their reasons were simple and true. Both solicited donations to the athletics fund in order for fans to qualify for those tickets. In a world where those in the know realized realignment would continue and conference schedules would get tighter, they correctly surmised that the only way to guarantee games with these rivals could continue was to bring them into the conference. The angst was great enough in 2011 that Slive asked for a gentlemen's agreement not to nominate in state rivals until ESPN's renegotiation clause requiring 2 new markets before a contract revaluation could be done was satisfied. Clay Travis got the story backwards, turned it into a blackball agreement, which it was clearly not, and fanboys across the ignorant internet turned a lie into a myth!

Slive promised Machen and Pastides that after 2011 no such restrictions would exist again and the only qualification would be profitability, which in the age of brand and content they both are profitable, not UT and OU profitable, but accretive.

So when I hear FSU and Clemson to the SEC I hear a consideration to USC and UF fulfilled, because we are perhaps this realignment away from playing all games in conference if we grow past 20.

You regularly say there isn’t a Gentleman’s agreement. Here are a decade plus list of articles, the last from ESPN, disagreeing with you.

https://www.on3.com/teams/kentucky-wildc...f-the-sec/

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1173...-expansion

https://www.bestofarkansassports.com/gen...as-to-sec/

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...ue-schools


This old Sports Illustrated article claims there was a gentleman’s agreement because of race. I don’t know about the rest of the SEC but I know what the attitude toward African American athletes in Lexington used to be.

Kentucky fans still call Louisville “The Blackbirds”. They chant it ball games.

Racism is alive and well in Lexington when it comes to Louisville. That’s why you’ll never see UK support UofL joining The SEC.

https://vault.si.com/vault/1965/06/14/th...vited-home

I would like to agree with you about the gentleman’s agreement but it’s alive in well here in the bass ackwards place in America

Yes, there are plenty of sorry articles mostly written to appeal to fan emotion and draw hits and none of them is what happened in the room where the commissioner and 12 presidents decided the future. So, knock yourself out Jim. Can you look at any news in the past 20 years or so, even when some articles line up, and say you actually believe the spin, politicization, or any of it?

These schools play a good cop bad cop role. Presidents vote bottom line and answer to the State's which employ them. States which have other schools which sometimes have their stature threatened by realignment disparity. Presidents don't have to talk about how they voted and what they said since its private. This puts them in position to push for a FSU, Clemson, or less enthusiastically Georgia Tech which in 2011 Georgia's president was asked to do by his state's politicians.

Athletic Directors get to publicly fan the flames of rivalry. It stirs ticket and donation revenue and keeps interest high. A&M's president voted for Texas while their AD played to impassioned donors.

What happened in '92 is a matter of record if you can find it. UF sponsored FSU. In 2011 things were super tightlipped with N.C. State and Va Tech talk, a deal going on in the ACC and Missouri was a great public distraction even when Boren was trying to push OU and OSU as a pair. In looking at a jump to 16 in the ACC and SEC with moves which were then proposed So Carolina and Forida's presidents were extremely anxious about their money games and whether keeping cross conference rivals would be feasible as realignment continued.

There were people in that meeting in which I have complete trust and Slive commented on it once, essentially verifying the incident.

The blackball story was first pushed by Travis and exploded from there with many articles playing peat and repeat. It's what I meant by saying it gained myth status.

Believe what you wish. I'll simply trust those I know. And I will add this, just look at all the lies the media pushes about realignment now! I think it's safe to assume the SEC has interest in Florida State and North Carolina, I've heard of back channels and visits. But no source has flatly stated any prospects names yet. Some local blogger tossed out Miami, Clemson, FSU and UNC, another replaced Miami with UVa, and Patrick regurgitates it as his own idea. All of these beat writers scour blogs and do internet searches regularly to get ideas to drive hits, and none of it is credible. It's all fiction until something happens, and legally its treated as such.

Jackie Sherrill spoke of the SEC's defensive expansion plan in an article. His was secondhand information likely leaked by his AD from a discussion with his president. It was mostly correct with a tad of second or thirdhand embellishment and it has remained a source of a lot of conjecture.

Picking the PAC as a target of the B1G by me was simply logic in use. Their preference in action is for AAU schools. They passed on Kansas and Missouri in 2011 and prior, and the ACC is tied up. Where else were they going to go?

What I've had to say about the SEC came from the people I know and trust.

Oh, and in 2010-2 Bleacher Report was even more of a laughingstock than it is now and ESPN writers and hosts don't know anything. Example: Finebaum insisting just a week or so before OU and UT broke that it would "never happen". So something which had been off and on in serious talks with the SEC since 1987 had never sunk in on Finebaum, or he just lied. Take your pick.
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RE: McMurphy on podcast
(08-06-2022 04:41 PM)forphase1 Wrote:  
(08-06-2022 07:48 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(08-05-2022 06:08 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(08-05-2022 05:58 PM)Realigned Wrote:  
(08-05-2022 05:48 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  All ESPN has to do is guarantee a payout that makes The ACC the clear #3, guarantee playoff access and a conference network. Again if ESPN wants to break The ACC GOR guarantee 75 million or so to the teams left behind in The ACC.

It’s all about the money. It’s as simple as that.

Why would ESPN want to break the ACC GOR? They have all schools under contract at a below market price until 2036.

[b]To free up programs to jump to The SEC. That’s the only reason/b]

Which would jump to the SEC?
I guess Florida State would be the most likely, beyond that I'm not sure any school would (even Clemson, whose PTB are some of the biggest academic snobs you will ever meet. Clemson's success has come because the school markets itself as an anti-SEC alternative). Some really old timers at Georgia Tech....maybe (GT would have a hard time reaching Vanderbilt's level in the SEC).

All of them. The only way any of the ACC schools tell the SEC no is if they are going to the Big10 instead or if ESPN is going to match SEC money. In the end we can talk tradition and everything else, but as we have all seen, it comes down to money. Unless ESPN puts the ACC on a roughly level ground moneywise with the 'P2' any school not named Notre Dame will take an invitation to either 'P2' conference. Sure they will try to put conditions and bring friends along or whatever, but in the end any take it if offered. $$$ is king.

$$$ as you put it is needs to be looked at in totality.
Alabama has a seating capacity of 100,000 plus but there are three other stadiums that are larger in the SEC. The seating capacity at Carolina is half that of Alabama.
7 home games X 50,000 extra tickets sold= 350,000 fans at say $75.00 per ticket yields $26 Million plus. Then add in concessions, parking, souvenirs and apparel sales and you have accumulated a mountain of money which is greater than any TV rights revenue deficit.
Would it be all of them?
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RE: McMurphy on podcast
(08-07-2022 08:54 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(08-06-2022 04:41 PM)forphase1 Wrote:  
(08-06-2022 07:48 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(08-05-2022 06:08 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(08-05-2022 05:58 PM)Realigned Wrote:  Why would ESPN want to break the ACC GOR? They have all schools under contract at a below market price until 2036.

[b]To free up programs to jump to The SEC. That’s the only reason/b]

Which would jump to the SEC?
I guess Florida State would be the most likely, beyond that I'm not sure any school would (even Clemson, whose PTB are some of the biggest academic snobs you will ever meet. Clemson's success has come because the school markets itself as an anti-SEC alternative). Some really old timers at Georgia Tech....maybe (GT would have a hard time reaching Vanderbilt's level in the SEC).

All of them. The only way any of the ACC schools tell the SEC no is if they are going to the Big10 instead or if ESPN is going to match SEC money. In the end we can talk tradition and everything else, but as we have all seen, it comes down to money. Unless ESPN puts the ACC on a roughly level ground moneywise with the 'P2' any school not named Notre Dame will take an invitation to either 'P2' conference. Sure they will try to put conditions and bring friends along or whatever, but in the end any take it if offered. $$$ is king.

$$$ as you put it is needs to be looked at in totality.
Alabama has a seating capacity of 100,000 plus but there are three other stadiums that are larger in the SEC. The seating capacity at Carolina is half that of Alabama.
7 home games X 50,000 extra tickets sold= 350,000 fans at say $75.00 per ticket yields $26 Million plus. Then add in concessions, parking, souvenirs and apparel sales and you have accumulated a mountain of money which is greater than any TV rights revenue deficit.
Would it be all of them?
Sometimes it's not smart to move into a neighborhood where you struggle to make the mortgage payment and don't have any other funds left.


I'm empathic to your fear.

There is no deficit greater than the one UNC is about to fact to P2. Schools won't miss out on being at the top level so that they can be the tallest midget in the ACC or whatever 3rd super conference forms.
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