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RE: Future of ND’s season ending games in CA
(08-04-2022 06:00 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  ND typically ends their season with a road game in CA: USC in even years and Stanford in odd years.

I’ve noticed that the existing series only go through 2024 (Stanford) and 2026 (USC).

With USC moving to the Big 10 in 2024, I have doubts that this tradition can continue.

I don’t know that USC is going to want to play 9 Big 10 games and then ND. I also highly doubt that if they do, that the Big 10 will force another member to play OOC or sit idle to accommodate the Irish. The Big 10 is going to want that game played in September or mid-October at the very latest.

Stanford is probably anxious to re-up with ND, that is if ND still wants to play them. It probably also makes more sense to the PAC 10 if Stanford plays Cal on rivalry week.

IMHO, ND should be ending their season against an ACC school.

If ND wants a continued West Coast presence maybe they should consider playing Shamrock series games in places like LA, LV, and Seattle against whoever is hot in the PAC 10, rather than a fixed opponent.



USC already said that they will continue to play ND annually even as a Big Ten member.

Are you just mad that ND may apparently turn the Big Ten down again?

You are looking for an issue that doesn't exist.

https://www.si.com/fannation/college/cfb...valry-game
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(08-04-2022 09:52 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(08-04-2022 06:15 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The ND-USC game goes away unless Notre Dame joins the B1G

I’m pretty sure the Big Ten doesn’t control USC’s OOC schedule.

The Big 10 certainly will have a say in WHEN they play. conferences block off certain dates that schools need to keep free for conference scheduling, and typically that includes the last week of the season. The Big 10 is historically one of the strictest in this category.
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(08-04-2022 10:01 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(08-04-2022 06:00 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  ND typically ends their season with a road game in CA: USC in even years and Stanford in odd years.

I’ve noticed that the existing series only go through 2024 (Stanford) and 2026 (USC).

With USC moving to the Big 10 in 2024, I have doubts that this tradition can continue.

I don’t know that USC is going to want to play 9 Big 10 games and then ND. I also highly doubt that if they do, that the Big 10 will force another member to play OOC or sit idle to accommodate the Irish. The Big 10 is going to want that game played in September or mid-October at the very latest.

Stanford is probably anxious to re-up with ND, that is if ND still wants to play them. It probably also makes more sense to the PAC 10 if Stanford plays Cal on rivalry week.

IMHO, ND should be ending their season against an ACC school.

If ND wants a continued West Coast presence maybe they should consider playing Shamrock series games in places like LA, LV, and Seattle against whoever is hot in the PAC 10, rather than a fixed opponent.



USC already said that they will continue to play ND annually even as a Big Ten member.

Are you just mad that ND may apparently turn the Big Ten down again?

You are looking for an issue that doesn't exist.

https://www.si.com/fannation/college/cfb...valry-game

Terry, you sited a source that said the Big 10 isn’t done expanding in the same article. The article has lost all credibility because all indications are that expansion has cooled.

Maybe the game stays, maybe it doesn’t but it’s going to be awfully tough to squeeze Cal, Stanford, or anyone elSe from the west coast on a schedule than includes 9 Big 10 games plus ND. How much Midwestern exposure do they really need?

The Big 10 has historically had a culture of team players and rigid scheduling. Forcing another conference mate to go OOC for rivalry week so that another can play their OOC rival instead of their cross-town in-conference rival isn’t going to fly. ‘24 and ‘26 may stay in place just because the contract is already signed but I would not expect a new deal to be made that puts games in that week.
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(08-04-2022 10:38 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(08-04-2022 10:01 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(08-04-2022 06:00 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  ND typically ends their season with a road game in CA: USC in even years and Stanford in odd years.

I’ve noticed that the existing series only go through 2024 (Stanford) and 2026 (USC).

With USC moving to the Big 10 in 2024, I have doubts that this tradition can continue.

I don’t know that USC is going to want to play 9 Big 10 games and then ND. I also highly doubt that if they do, that the Big 10 will force another member to play OOC or sit idle to accommodate the Irish. The Big 10 is going to want that game played in September or mid-October at the very latest.

Stanford is probably anxious to re-up with ND, that is if ND still wants to play them. It probably also makes more sense to the PAC 10 if Stanford plays Cal on rivalry week.

IMHO, ND should be ending their season against an ACC school.

If ND wants a continued West Coast presence maybe they should consider playing Shamrock series games in places like LA, LV, and Seattle against whoever is hot in the PAC 10, rather than a fixed opponent.



USC already said that they will continue to play ND annually even as a Big Ten member.

Are you just mad that ND may apparently turn the Big Ten down again?

You are looking for an issue that doesn't exist.

https://www.si.com/fannation/college/cfb...valry-game

Terry, you sited a source that said the Big 10 isn’t done expanding in the same article. The article has lost all credibility because all indications are that expansion has cooled.

Maybe the game stays, maybe it doesn’t but it’s going to be awfully tough to squeeze Cal, Stanford, or anyone elSe from the west coast on a schedule than includes 9 Big 10 games plus ND. How much Midwestern exposure do they really need?

The Big 10 has historically had a culture of team players and rigid scheduling. Forcing another conference mate to go OOC for rivalry week so that another can play their OOC rival instead of their cross-town in-conference rival isn’t going to fly. ‘24 and ‘26 may stay in place just because the contract is already signed but I would not expect a new deal to be made that puts games in that week.



We shall see, but I think you are trying to create a Tempest in a Teapot.
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(08-04-2022 08:50 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  The game will continue.

Maybe UCLA replaces Stanford alternating the end of yr in CA for ND. If USC play them in Oct, they get Stanford that last wk. When USC is home vs ND, UCLA plays Cal to end the yr. 2 old Pac 12 rivalries saved.

Or ND vs USC is a conference game. That's what I wish
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(08-04-2022 07:21 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(08-04-2022 07:12 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  This should be obvious: USC-ND isn’t going anywhere regardless of whether ND joins the Big Ten or not.

The Big Ten’s TV partners absolutely, positively, 1000% badly want that game every other year to plug into the prime time slot on Thanksgiving weekend (after Michigan-Ohio State).

If USC decides on their own that they think the schedule is too tough, then that’s one thing. However, ND is as much as USC’s rival as UCLA, so I don’t believe that’s how they’re thinking at all. At the same time, the Big Ten absolutely wants that game to continue. They’re getting $1 billion-plus per year from its media partners to be completely flexible for Big Ten teams playing ND as much and as often as they want to.

USC-UCLA is just as viable in that time slot and it doesn’t require another Big 10 school to find an OOC game. If the rivalry continues, I doubt we see it in week 13 beyond 2026.

Unless Maryland or Rutgers is dying to play Army, UConn, or UMass that weekend I don’t see the Irish getting special treatment—they aren’t even a conference member for goodness sakes.

One of the most important rules of conference realignment is that there will ALWAYS be an exception for Notre Dame. You may not like it, but those are the facts. The TV partners are banking on USC-ND every other year in their rights fees calculations for the Big Ten, as well. The conference absolutely, 1000% wants that game to continue and if it needs to be on Thanksgiving weekend to do that, then that’s what they’ll do. It can’t be any clearer.
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(08-04-2022 07:02 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(08-04-2022 06:57 PM)e-parade Wrote:  
(08-04-2022 06:55 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(08-04-2022 06:12 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  If the Big 10 agreed to give USC a full share with no buy in - as rumored - then surely they agreed to let USC-ND rivalry continue on the current terms. Why would the Big 10 care?

Simple mathematics—if you have an even number of teams and one wants to play OOC on rivalry week then you have to find an OOC opponent for someone else. In an age where 9 of the 10 conferences have an even number of teams someone is going to get left without an opponent. (We’re on track to have an odd number of FBS teams overall as well)

UMass Cal will happily act as a body bag game for whichever B1G team is the odd man out here.

Fixed it for ya

I mean yeah, but it doesn't make my statement any less true. The difference is who the B1G teams would rather play.
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(08-05-2022 06:53 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(08-04-2022 07:21 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(08-04-2022 07:12 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  This should be obvious: USC-ND isn’t going anywhere regardless of whether ND joins the Big Ten or not.

The Big Ten’s TV partners absolutely, positively, 1000% badly want that game every other year to plug into the prime time slot on Thanksgiving weekend (after Michigan-Ohio State).

If USC decides on their own that they think the schedule is too tough, then that’s one thing. However, ND is as much as USC’s rival as UCLA, so I don’t believe that’s how they’re thinking at all. At the same time, the Big Ten absolutely wants that game to continue. They’re getting $1 billion-plus per year from its media partners to be completely flexible for Big Ten teams playing ND as much and as often as they want to.

USC-UCLA is just as viable in that time slot and it doesn’t require another Big 10 school to find an OOC game. If the rivalry continues, I doubt we see it in week 13 beyond 2026.

Unless Maryland or Rutgers is dying to play Army, UConn, or UMass that weekend I don’t see the Irish getting special treatment—they aren’t even a conference member for goodness sakes.

One of the most important rules of conference realignment is that there will ALWAYS be an exception for Notre Dame. You may not like it, but those are the facts. The TV partners are banking on USC-ND every other year in their rights fees calculations for the Big Ten, as well. The conference absolutely, 1000% wants that game to continue and if it needs to be on Thanksgiving weekend to do that, then that’s what they’ll do. It can’t be any clearer.

I’m not saying they won’t get that game but I don’t think they are going to get that game in week 13—probably more like week 1-6.

This does put USC in a tight spot scheduling though. Are the Trojans going to swear off playing Stanford, Cal, Oregon, and Washington forever? There’s not a whole lot of scheduling wiggle room to re-up with ND, honor existing agreements (granted, after 2026 they have no P5s on the schedule) and squeeze in old conference mates that they still want a relationship with.

Frankly, I think USC vs ND would be a great way to start off the Big 10 fb early in the season, it’s just not a great way to end it.
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(08-05-2022 09:46 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(08-05-2022 06:53 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(08-04-2022 07:21 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(08-04-2022 07:12 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  This should be obvious: USC-ND isn’t going anywhere regardless of whether ND joins the Big Ten or not.

The Big Ten’s TV partners absolutely, positively, 1000% badly want that game every other year to plug into the prime time slot on Thanksgiving weekend (after Michigan-Ohio State).

If USC decides on their own that they think the schedule is too tough, then that’s one thing. However, ND is as much as USC’s rival as UCLA, so I don’t believe that’s how they’re thinking at all. At the same time, the Big Ten absolutely wants that game to continue. They’re getting $1 billion-plus per year from its media partners to be completely flexible for Big Ten teams playing ND as much and as often as they want to.

USC-UCLA is just as viable in that time slot and it doesn’t require another Big 10 school to find an OOC game. If the rivalry continues, I doubt we see it in week 13 beyond 2026.

Unless Maryland or Rutgers is dying to play Army, UConn, or UMass that weekend I don’t see the Irish getting special treatment—they aren’t even a conference member for goodness sakes.

One of the most important rules of conference realignment is that there will ALWAYS be an exception for Notre Dame. You may not like it, but those are the facts. The TV partners are banking on USC-ND every other year in their rights fees calculations for the Big Ten, as well. The conference absolutely, 1000% wants that game to continue and if it needs to be on Thanksgiving weekend to do that, then that’s what they’ll do. It can’t be any clearer.

I’m not saying they won’t get that game but I don’t think they are going to get that game in week 13—probably more like week 1-6.

This does put USC in a tight spot scheduling though. Are the Trojans going to swear off playing Stanford, Cal, Oregon, and Washington forever? There’s not a whole lot of scheduling wiggle room to re-up with ND, honor existing agreements (granted, after 2026 they have no P5s on the schedule) and squeeze in old conference mates that they still want a relationship with.

Frankly, I think USC vs ND would be a great way to start off the Big 10 fb early in the season, it’s just not a great way to end it.

The value to ND of playing in California goes way down unless it is at the end of the season for ND recruiting purposes.

The coaches always stay in California after the final game to recruit the West Coast and Hawaii.

USC already wimped out years ago by refusing to play at ND in November. Too cold, they said. Hence, Stanford was added to the schedule.

(Well, USC will have to play in the Midwest in November now, I suppose)
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Who does UCLA currently play the years where USC is hosting ND the final weekend? Do they have a permanent rival that weekend?
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(08-05-2022 10:09 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Who does UCLA currently play the years where USC is hosting ND the final weekend? Do they have a permanent rival that weekend?

No idea. I have never paid any attention at all to UCLA football.
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(08-05-2022 10:10 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(08-05-2022 10:09 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Who does UCLA currently play the years where USC is hosting ND the final weekend? Do they have a permanent rival that weekend?

No idea. I have never paid any attention at all to UCLA football.

Yeah because I don't think Utah plays BYU that weekend. Nor does CU play CSU every other year on that weekend, but I could be mistaken. PNW teams are set. Otherwise one of Stanford and Cal need to be split that weekend assuming UCLA is playing one or the other.
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If the TV dollars are high enough to keep where at, I guess I can see. You could just do a rotation of teams who sit out and since it is every other year, you could keep it down to once a decade for those teams. Of the teams who do not have a must play that week, you have at least UCLA, Penn State, Michigan State, Rutgers, and Maryland (the latter 4 were already rotating). Outside of Ohio State/Michigan, Indiana/Purdue, and Nebraska (Black Friday) you might get rest willing too (which could make it a once in 20 years thing or so). I probably would exclude Wisconsin/Minnesota too, but it has been done outside season end (Illinois/Northwestern in a similar situation I believe).
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(08-05-2022 10:09 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Who does UCLA currently play the years where USC is hosting ND the final weekend? Do they have a permanent rival that weekend?

It looks like UCLA plays either Cal or Stanford while Southern Cal hosts Notre Dame. This year they'll play Cal on Black Friday, while Southern Cal hosts Notre Dame that Saturday.

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(08-04-2022 06:18 PM)goofus Wrote:  The only issue with USC playing ND on the last game of every other season is that 1 other Big Ten would have to sit out the last game or play somebody ooc too. Which is probably not that big of deal.

UCLA could get the last week off, or maybe play Cal or Stanford ooc that week.

The USC-Notre Dame game in Los Angeles is a great TV game for the Big Ten inventory. The Big Ten will PROMOTE it, not try to make it go away.

The Stanford-Notre Dame game in Palo Alto will be highly desired by the PAC 10 and its media partners.

The easy scheduling solution is that UCLA plays Stanford every other year, when USC hosts Notre Dame the last game of the season. The UCLA-Stanford game is a good TV game in its own right, for both conferences.
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(08-04-2022 06:00 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I also highly doubt that if they do, that the Big 10 will force another member to play OOC or sit idle to accommodate the Irish.
Iowa could move their game against Iowa State to rivalry week if they really wanted to accommodate USC. It seems like the Iowa/Nebraska end-of-season game has been sort of forced into that spot.
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(08-04-2022 06:00 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I also highly doubt that if they do, that the Big 10 will force another member to play OOC or sit idle to accommodate the Irish.
Iowa could move their game against Iowa State to rivalry week if they really wanted to accommodate USC. It seems like the Iowa/Nebraska end-of-season game has been sort of forced into that spot.

So, Nebraska v. UCLA whenever USC hosts Notre Dame?
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(08-05-2022 10:14 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  
(08-05-2022 10:10 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(08-05-2022 10:09 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Who does UCLA currently play the years where USC is hosting ND the final weekend? Do they have a permanent rival that weekend?

No idea. I have never paid any attention at all to UCLA football.

Yeah because I don't think Utah plays BYU that weekend. Nor does CU play CSU every other year on that weekend, but I could be mistaken. PNW teams are set. Otherwise one of Stanford and Cal need to be split that weekend assuming UCLA is playing one or the other.

Utah-BYU have played over Thanksgiving weekend only once since they left the MWC. BYU has also played Cal and USC over Thanksgiving weekend and plays Stanford this year. And, yes, it's all related to the USC and Stanford games with Notre Dame.
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(08-05-2022 11:04 AM)YNot Wrote:  
(08-05-2022 10:56 AM)OneSockUp Wrote:  
(08-04-2022 06:00 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I also highly doubt that if they do, that the Big 10 will force another member to play OOC or sit idle to accommodate the Irish.
Iowa could move their game against Iowa State to rivalry week if they really wanted to accommodate USC. It seems like the Iowa/Nebraska end-of-season game has been sort of forced into that spot.

So, Nebraska v. UCLA whenever USC hosts Notre Dame?
Husker fans would lose their minds. These are the same people that spent their entire time in the Big 12 griping about how Colorado didn't belong on the day after Thanksgiving, and how it should still be Oklahoma. They griped one year about having to play Iowa on a Saturday instead of a Friday until the B1G changed it. Forcing a non-rival into that spot would have the fans livid. They'll tolerate some change, but don't take away their Black Friday rivalry game.
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(08-05-2022 06:53 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(08-04-2022 07:21 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(08-04-2022 07:12 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  This should be obvious: USC-ND isn’t going anywhere regardless of whether ND joins the Big Ten or not.

The Big Ten’s TV partners absolutely, positively, 1000% badly want that game every other year to plug into the prime time slot on Thanksgiving weekend (after Michigan-Ohio State).

If USC decides on their own that they think the schedule is too tough, then that’s one thing. However, ND is as much as USC’s rival as UCLA, so I don’t believe that’s how they’re thinking at all. At the same time, the Big Ten absolutely wants that game to continue. They’re getting $1 billion-plus per year from its media partners to be completely flexible for Big Ten teams playing ND as much and as often as they want to.

USC-UCLA is just as viable in that time slot and it doesn’t require another Big 10 school to find an OOC game. If the rivalry continues, I doubt we see it in week 13 beyond 2026.

Unless Maryland or Rutgers is dying to play Army, UConn, or UMass that weekend I don’t see the Irish getting special treatment—they aren’t even a conference member for goodness sakes.

One of the most important rules of conference realignment is that there will ALWAYS be an exception for Notre Dame. You may not like it, but those are the facts. The TV partners are banking on USC-ND every other year in their rights fees calculations for the Big Ten, as well. The conference absolutely, 1000% wants that game to continue and if it needs to be on Thanksgiving weekend to do that, then that’s what they’ll do. It can’t be any clearer.

This. ND/USC (or ND/Stanford or ND/Navy) will not get affected regardless of conference affiliation. Knowing that ND still desires and values independence (and will continue to get paid handsomely being so), it is in the best interest for the Big Ten and SEC for ND to stay independent. This allows maximum flexibility in scheduling and arranging both leagues to inevitably schedule them (for TV purposes).
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