Boise has no market. Most realignment moves are based on money and markets. Brand and academics play a minor role. Performance is further down the list.

Theres at least half a dozen schools the PAC or Big 12 would add before getting to Boise.

Its not happening.

Outside Nick Saban, Luke Fickell imho is the best Coach in CFB given the same resources as Saban I say he could do the same as Saban. I'm not a Cincy fan, but it is what it is, as I see it. My Coogs have got to compete with this.

(08-04-2022 03:39 PM)MadisonHawk Wrote:  according to Front Office Sports:

"Before USC and UCLA announced they would join the Big Ten in 2024, the conference was already on track to garner up to $1 billion annually in its new media rights deal. But after the addition, media partners were told to “go back to the drawing board,” Front Office Sports previously reported.

Now, the Big Ten hopes to kick that number up by 50% to at least $1.5 billion annually, sources told Front Office Sports."

https://frontofficesports.com/big-ten-me...hts-1-5-b/

Other highlights from the article:

-- As indicated by the article TerryD posted, NBC is making an aggressive play for a Saturday Night package. My speculation from other resources is that NBC is emphasizing exposure vs. the $$$$ that Amazon is proposing. The leak yesterday may have been a public pitch from NBC (or a trial balloon from the B1G).

-- NBC, ESPN and CBS are frustrated with the role Fox is playing in the negotiations.

This will allow the legislatures of the B1G states to appropriate similar amounts to other schools in their states. Indiana could cut appropriations to Indiana and Purdue by $187M a year, and reallocate it to Ball State, IUPUI, Purdue Fort Wayne, USI, and Purdue Northwest. That money would fund the education of 10,000 to 20,000 students.

California could allocate additional funding to CSUN, Long Beach State, Fullerton State, CSULA, Cal Poly Pomona, CSU San Bernardino, and CSU Dominguez Hills.

This is a big win for higher education throughout the Greater Midwest.

(08-05-2022 02:57 AM)jimrtex Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 03:39 PM)MadisonHawk Wrote:  according to Front Office Sports:

"Before USC and UCLA announced they would join the Big Ten in 2024, the conference was already on track to garner up to $1 billion annually in its new media rights deal. But after the addition, media partners were told to “go back to the drawing board,” Front Office Sports previously reported.

Now, the Big Ten hopes to kick that number up by 50% to at least $1.5 billion annually, sources told Front Office Sports."

https://frontofficesports.com/big-ten-me...hts-1-5-b/

Other highlights from the article:

-- As indicated by the article TerryD posted, NBC is making an aggressive play for a Saturday Night package. My speculation from other resources is that NBC is emphasizing exposure vs. the $$$$ that Amazon is proposing. The leak yesterday may have been a public pitch from NBC (or a trial balloon from the B1G).

-- NBC, ESPN and CBS are frustrated with the role Fox is playing in the negotiations.

This will allow the legislatures of the B1G states to appropriate similar amounts to other schools in their states. Indiana could cut appropriations to Indiana and Purdue by $187M a year, and reallocate it to Ball State, IUPUI, Purdue Fort Wayne, USI, and Purdue Northwest. That money would fund the education of 10,000 to 20,000 students.

California could allocate additional funding to CSUN, Long Beach State, Fullerton State, CSULA, Cal Poly Pomona, CSU San Bernardino, and CSU Dominguez Hills.

This is a big win for higher education throughout the Greater Midwest.

That would be awesome if they did that, but unfortunately I doubt they will do it— especially the Midwestern schools.

(08-05-2022 04:38 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(08-05-2022 02:57 AM)jimrtex Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 03:39 PM)MadisonHawk Wrote:  according to Front Office Sports:

"Before USC and UCLA announced they would join the Big Ten in 2024, the conference was already on track to garner up to $1 billion annually in its new media rights deal. But after the addition, media partners were told to “go back to the drawing board,” Front Office Sports previously reported.

Now, the Big Ten hopes to kick that number up by 50% to at least $1.5 billion annually, sources told Front Office Sports."

https://frontofficesports.com/big-ten-me...hts-1-5-b/

Other highlights from the article:

-- As indicated by the article TerryD posted, NBC is making an aggressive play for a Saturday Night package. My speculation from other resources is that NBC is emphasizing exposure vs. the $$$$ that Amazon is proposing. The leak yesterday may have been a public pitch from NBC (or a trial balloon from the B1G).

-- NBC, ESPN and CBS are frustrated with the role Fox is playing in the negotiations.

This will allow the legislatures of the B1G states to appropriate similar amounts to other schools in their states. Indiana could cut appropriations to Indiana and Purdue by $187M a year, and reallocate it to Ball State, IUPUI, Purdue Fort Wayne, USI, and Purdue Northwest. That money would fund the education of 10,000 to 20,000 students.

California could allocate additional funding to CSUN, Long Beach State, Fullerton State, CSULA, Cal Poly Pomona, CSU San Bernardino, and CSU Dominguez Hills.

This is a big win for higher education throughout the Greater Midwest.

That would be awesome if they did that, but unfortunately I doubt they will do it— especially the Midwestern schools.

There is a lot of political support for the regional schools. If you are in Fort Wayne you would resent the brightest 18 YO going off to West Lafayette or Bloomington and never coming back. Graduates would stick around the universities or move on to Indianapolis or Chicago. Or some students would drop out of Indiana or Purdue, for a variety of reasons. 5 years later they had established some stability in their life back in Fort Wayne and want to go back to school. They can do that at Purdue Fort Wayne.

So the Governor calls a press conference with the presidents of Indiana, Purdue, Ball State, etc. He praises Indiana and Purdue for keeping Indiana in the national spotlight and the big payout which will permit the two schools to be able to provide greater academic opportunities for student-athletes and ordinary students alike, and that it freed up funding for the great schools in Muncie, Terre Haute, Fort Wayne, here in Indianapolis.

Big Ten contract leak?

(08-08-2022 01:51 PM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  Big Ten contract leak?

Auerbach is tightly connected with the B1G front office and has been a source of intentional leaks / trial balloons from the B1G in the past. I interpret these tweetts (together with the leak of NBC's prime time Saturday Night football to Front Office Sports) as laying the groundwork for the announcement in the next week or two that the new B1G television deal will not include ESPN.

(08-08-2022 02:07 PM)MadisonHawk Wrote:  

(08-08-2022 01:51 PM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  Big Ten contract leak?

Auerbach is tightly connected with the B1G front office and has been a source of intentional leaks / trial balloons from the B1G in the past. I interpret these tweetts (together with the leak of NBC's prime time Saturday Night football to Front Office Sports) as laying the groundwork for the announcement in the next week or two that the new B1G television deal will not include ESPN.

I think we're overly conpitacizing here.

Why does the Big Ten need to lay any groundwork?

Just announce the contract when it's done.

If we're gonna conpiracize, let's do it right.

Qui Bono, baby,?

Leak that the big Ten is going to break fully from EsPN.
Who loses? ESPN.

Sounds like a ploy from the Big Ten for ESPN to ante up or lose their spot

(08-08-2022 02:07 PM)MadisonHawk Wrote:  

(08-08-2022 01:51 PM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  Big Ten contract leak?

Auerbach is tightly connected with the B1G front office and has been a source of intentional leaks / trial balloons from the B1G in the past. I interpret these tweetts (together with the leak of NBC's prime time Saturday Night football to Front Office Sports) as laying the groundwork for the announcement in the next week or two that the new B1G television deal will not include ESPN.

I've suspected that this might be the case and if it was it would all part of a plan slowly unfolding to create an us vs them rivalry between team FOX and team ESPN. What will be interesting to watch is what happens with B12 rights. If ESPN and FOX split them then the B1G finishes up West expansion, perhaps picks up a bit more of a bridge with Kansas and Colorado and adds a pair to the East. The SEC picks up ACC schools and the leftovers fold into a split owned B12.

If ESPN buys out the B12 it signals to me a more hostile play for the ACC and PAC leftovers.

So when these media rights and all the numbers are tallied up and announced, who will be the first school (President) to speak up? Oklahoma and Florida State were a couple from the past that disclosed their concerns in the past. Oregon, North Carolina, Florida State, Stanford? It has been extremely quiet with this insane amount of money to be thrown out there. I'm not big on the money discussions, but seriously, there has to be some pissed off president's, right? Money is evil; it can make the unthinkable happen!

Honestly, I'm still not 100% convinced they hit $1.5 bill. We shall see.

(08-04-2022 08:03 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 05:55 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  USC & UCLA will regret the move within 3 years. Maybe UCLA will be saved from themselves by the State of California. The money will just be wasted on administrators and travel.

Oh you UC fans. Somehow UCLA/USC to the BIG for a $94m annual payout will fail, but UC sending all its teams to play in the Greater Texas League with special trips to Provo for what $25m is an excellent move.

The AAC was the Greater Texas League already.

(08-04-2022 06:05 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  I actually think this increases the chances Notre Dame joins in '26, as the price to stay independent got more expensive. This is good news for Stanford too.

Except for that contract thing with the ACC.

(08-04-2022 08:11 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 08:03 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 05:55 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  USC & UCLA will regret the move within 3 years. Maybe UCLA will be saved from themselves by the State of California. The money will just be wasted on administrators and travel.

Oh you UC fans. Somehow UCLA/USC to the BIG for a $94m annual payout will fail, but UC sending all its teams to play in the Greater Texas League with special trips to Provo for what $25m is an excellent move.

Yes, I agree with that. UC will have essentially the same amount of travel in the Big 12 as they do in the American. Same travel, more money, teams that the fan base cares more about makes sense.

USC & UCLA will travel significantly more, are much richer schools than UC will ever dream to be & will play less interesting teams overall to their fanbase. Who wants USC vs Purdue, Indiana, Iowa, Minnesota, Maryland, Nebraska, Rutgers, Northwestern, Illinois???

Depending on the age of the fan we are talking about, one of these nine is far different from the other eight, having been a Dynasty program within the past thirty years and twice in the living memory of many college sports fans.

(08-15-2022 12:12 PM)cubucks Wrote:  So when these media rights and all the numbers are tallied up and announced, who will be the first school (President) to speak up? Oklahoma and Florida State were a couple from the past that disclosed their concerns in the past. Oregon, North Carolina, Florida State, Stanford? It has been extremely quiet with this insane amount of money to be thrown out there. I'm not big on the money discussions, but seriously, there has to be some pissed off president's, right? Money is evil; it can make the unthinkable happen!

Honestly, I'm still not 100% convinced they hit $1.5 bill. We shall see.

I haven't seen anything other than they "hope" to make $1.5 billion.

Although when you throw in the BTN, they should be close.

(08-15-2022 12:31 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 08:11 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 08:03 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 05:55 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  USC & UCLA will regret the move within 3 years. Maybe UCLA will be saved from themselves by the State of California. The money will just be wasted on administrators and travel.

Oh you UC fans. Somehow UCLA/USC to the BIG for a $94m annual payout will fail, but UC sending all its teams to play in the Greater Texas League with special trips to Provo for what $25m is an excellent move.

Yes, I agree with that. UC will have essentially the same amount of travel in the Big 12 as they do in the American. Same travel, more money, teams that the fan base cares more about makes sense.

USC & UCLA will travel significantly more, are much richer schools than UC will ever dream to be & will play less interesting teams overall to their fanbase. Who wants USC vs Purdue, Indiana, Iowa, Minnesota, Maryland, Nebraska, Rutgers, Northwestern, Illinois???

Depending on the age of the fan we are talking about, one of these nine is far different from the other eight, having been a Dynasty program within the past thirty years and twice in the living memory of many college sports fans.

It's the worst type of argument in conference realignment that we see all of the time:

"Let's list all of the worst possible opponents in Conference A while ignoring all of the great opponents and that proves why it blows compared to my favorite Conference B that the TV networks unreasonably only pay 50% as much for!"

It's so disingenuous.

(08-15-2022 12:34 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-15-2022 12:12 PM)cubucks Wrote:  So when these media rights and all the numbers are tallied up and announced, who will be the first school (President) to speak up? Oklahoma and Florida State were a couple from the past that disclosed their concerns in the past. Oregon, North Carolina, Florida State, Stanford? It has been extremely quiet with this insane amount of money to be thrown out there. I'm not big on the money discussions, but seriously, there has to be some pissed off president's, right? Money is evil; it can make the unthinkable happen!

Honestly, I'm still not 100% convinced they hit $1.5 bill. We shall see.

I haven't seen anything other than they "hope" to make $1.5 billion.

Although when you throw in the BTN, they should be close.

Right - these figures are including all Big Ten media revenue, which would include the BTN money that's above and beyond the first tier TV contracts.

(08-15-2022 12:31 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 08:11 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 08:03 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 05:55 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  USC & UCLA will regret the move within 3 years. Maybe UCLA will be saved from themselves by the State of California. The money will just be wasted on administrators and travel.

Oh you UC fans. Somehow UCLA/USC to the BIG for a $94m annual payout will fail, but UC sending all its teams to play in the Greater Texas League with special trips to Provo for what $25m is an excellent move.

Yes, I agree with that. UC will have essentially the same amount of travel in the Big 12 as they do in the American. Same travel, more money, teams that the fan base cares more about makes sense.

USC & UCLA will travel significantly more, are much richer schools than UC will ever dream to be & will play less interesting teams overall to their fanbase. Who wants USC vs Purdue, Indiana, Iowa, Minnesota, Maryland, Nebraska, Rutgers, Northwestern, Illinois???

Depending on the age of the fan we are talking about, one of these nine is far different from the other eight, having been a Dynasty program within the past thirty years and twice in the living memory of many college sports fans.

I'm not convinced Nebraska has become Minnesota (who was a power prior to the mid-60s with 4 MNCs from 1936-1960). Nebraska still owns their state and parts of surrounding states and has resources.

(08-15-2022 12:39 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-15-2022 12:31 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 08:11 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 08:03 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 05:55 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  USC & UCLA will regret the move within 3 years. Maybe UCLA will be saved from themselves by the State of California. The money will just be wasted on administrators and travel.

Oh you UC fans. Somehow UCLA/USC to the BIG for a $94m annual payout will fail, but UC sending all its teams to play in the Greater Texas League with special trips to Provo for what $25m is an excellent move.

Yes, I agree with that. UC will have essentially the same amount of travel in the Big 12 as they do in the American. Same travel, more money, teams that the fan base cares more about makes sense.

USC & UCLA will travel significantly more, are much richer schools than UC will ever dream to be & will play less interesting teams overall to their fanbase. Who wants USC vs Purdue, Indiana, Iowa, Minnesota, Maryland, Nebraska, Rutgers, Northwestern, Illinois???

Depending on the age of the fan we are talking about, one of these nine is far different from the other eight, having been a Dynasty program within the past thirty years and twice in the living memory of many college sports fans.

I'm not convinced Nebraska has become Minnesota (who was a power prior to the mid-60s with 4 MNCs from 1936-1960). Nebraska still owns their state and parts of surrounding states and has resources.

I think it's a fair statement (lumping those schools together) from a national fan interest standpoint. Or lack thereof. There will be a short-term "hey this is new" bump...but I expect it will wane fairly rapidly. The B1G is going to have to build a group of western teams beyond the two way out on the island.

(08-15-2022 02:22 PM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  I think it's a fair statement (lumping those schools together) from a national fan interest standpoint. Or lack thereof. There will be a short-term "hey this is new" bump...but I expect it will wane fairly rapidly. The B1G is going to have to build a group of western teams beyond the two way out on the island.

It took the Big 12 around a decade to add Cincinnati and Central Florida to help West Virginia escape their island and that was only because they lost Oklahoma and Texas and had to backfill.

It took around two decades before the Big 10 added Maryland and Rutgers to help Penn State escape their island as the only Eastern team (they weren't on as big of an island with Ohio State bordering them but with Nebraska joining the conference they were getting more western rather than eastern).

If UCLA and USC are expecting more western teams, they shouldn't be holding their breath.

(08-15-2022 02:22 PM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(08-15-2022 12:39 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-15-2022 12:31 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 08:11 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 08:03 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  Oh you UC fans. Somehow UCLA/USC to the BIG for a $94m annual payout will fail, but UC sending all its teams to play in the Greater Texas League with special trips to Provo for what $25m is an excellent move.

Yes, I agree with that. UC will have essentially the same amount of travel in the Big 12 as they do in the American. Same travel, more money, teams that the fan base cares more about makes sense.

USC & UCLA will travel significantly more, are much richer schools than UC will ever dream to be & will play less interesting teams overall to their fanbase. Who wants USC vs Purdue, Indiana, Iowa, Minnesota, Maryland, Nebraska, Rutgers, Northwestern, Illinois???

Depending on the age of the fan we are talking about, one of these nine is far different from the other eight, having been a Dynasty program within the past thirty years and twice in the living memory of many college sports fans.

I'm not convinced Nebraska has become Minnesota (who was a power prior to the mid-60s with 4 MNCs from 1936-1960). Nebraska still owns their state and parts of surrounding states and has resources.

I think it's a fair statement (lumping those schools together) from a national fan interest standpoint. Or lack thereof. There will be a short-term "hey this is new" bump...but I expect it will wane fairly rapidly. The B1G is going to have to build a group of western teams beyond the two way out on the island.

It's not fair, because you cherry picked all the less valuable schools. Sure, USC vs the bottom 8 Big Ten programs isn't that attractive. But you left off USC vs PEnn STate, Ohio State, Michigan, MIchigan State and Wisconsin.

You're getting half of those games in any given year, 2-3 plus UCLA. And it's not like USC-Arizona or USC-Oregon State is dramatically more interesting to a national audience than USC-Purdue or USC-Maryland. It's USC either pounding a P5 doormat, or struggling to defeat a P5 doormat and raising questions of when and whether Texas Tennessee Miami I mean USC will return to glory.