(08-04-2022 07:40 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 07:25 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 05:55 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  USC & UCLA will regret the move within 3 years. Maybe UCLA will be saved from themselves by the State of California. The money will just be wasted on administrators and travel.

USC and UCLA won't regret the move because it makes sense strategically and financially. They will find the travel more burdensome than they expected, and their players and coaches and fans will wish they didn't have to deal with it, but Hawaii has overcome an even greater travel burden for half a century on a budget that's miniscule by comparison. USC and UCLA will figure it out.

Hawaii has no choice - either travel or don't have a team. USC & UCLA don't have that problem.

If we had the choice there's no question we would keep getting on the plane if it bought us an extra $50 million annually and ensured our athletic program would remain in the top tier of college athletics.

(08-04-2022 05:55 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  USC & UCLA will regret the move within 3 years. Maybe UCLA will be saved from themselves by the State of California. The money will just be wasted on administrators and travel.

Oh you UC fans. Somehow UCLA/USC to the BIG for a $94m annual payout will fail, but UC sending all its teams to play in the Greater Texas League with special trips to Provo for what $25m is an excellent move.

(08-04-2022 07:57 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 07:40 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 07:25 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 05:55 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  USC & UCLA will regret the move within 3 years. Maybe UCLA will be saved from themselves by the State of California. The money will just be wasted on administrators and travel.

USC and UCLA won't regret the move because it makes sense strategically and financially. They will find the travel more burdensome than they expected, and their players and coaches and fans will wish they didn't have to deal with it, but Hawaii has overcome an even greater travel burden for half a century on a budget that's miniscule by comparison. USC and UCLA will figure it out.

Hawaii has no choice - either travel or don't have a team. USC & UCLA don't have that problem.

If we had the choice there's no question we would keep getting on the plane if it bought us an extra $50 million annually and ensured our athletic program would remain in the top tier of college athletics.

USC & UCLA are not at risk of falling out of the elite - they are the most popular schools in the richest state of the richest country that has ever existed in world history. USC & UCLA making decisions based on tv contract $$ makes as much sense as Warren Buffet clipping coupons at the grocery store.

(08-04-2022 08:03 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 05:55 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  USC & UCLA will regret the move within 3 years. Maybe UCLA will be saved from themselves by the State of California. The money will just be wasted on administrators and travel.

Oh you UC fans. Somehow UCLA/USC to the BIG for a $94m annual payout will fail, but UC sending all its teams to play in the Greater Texas League with special trips to Provo for what $25m is an excellent move.

Yep, I enjoy a lot of Cincinnati fans and the Bearcat program, but their pure hate for anything Big Ten can cloud their minds.

(08-04-2022 08:03 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 05:55 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  USC & UCLA will regret the move within 3 years. Maybe UCLA will be saved from themselves by the State of California. The money will just be wasted on administrators and travel.

Oh you UC fans. Somehow UCLA/USC to the BIG for a $94m annual payout will fail, but UC sending all its teams to play in the Greater Texas League with special trips to Provo for what $25m is an excellent move.

Yes, I agree with that. UC will have essentially the same amount of travel in the Big 12 as they do in the American. Same travel, more money, teams that the fan base cares more about makes sense.

USC & UCLA will travel significantly more, are much richer schools than UC will ever dream to be & will play less interesting teams overall to their fanbase. Who wants USC vs Purdue, Indiana, Iowa, Minnesota, Maryland, Nebraska, Rutgers, Northwestern, Illinois??? These are boring, low interest games. Not a good decision. The benefit of being rich like USC & UCLA is that you don't make dumb decisions like joining the Big 10.

(08-04-2022 08:10 PM)cubucks Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 08:03 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 05:55 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  USC & UCLA will regret the move within 3 years. Maybe UCLA will be saved from themselves by the State of California. The money will just be wasted on administrators and travel.

Oh you UC fans. Somehow UCLA/USC to the BIG for a $94m annual payout will fail, but UC sending all its teams to play in the Greater Texas League with special trips to Provo for what $25m is an excellent move.

Yep, I enjoy a lot of Cincinnati fans and the Bearcat program, but their pure hate for anything Big Ten can cloud their minds.

How is thinking USC & UCLA joining the Big 10 is a mistake hating the Big 10?

(08-04-2022 08:13 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 08:10 PM)cubucks Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 08:03 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 05:55 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  USC & UCLA will regret the move within 3 years. Maybe UCLA will be saved from themselves by the State of California. The money will just be wasted on administrators and travel.

Oh you UC fans. Somehow UCLA/USC to the BIG for a $94m annual payout will fail, but UC sending all its teams to play in the Greater Texas League with special trips to Provo for what $25m is an excellent move.

Yep, I enjoy a lot of Cincinnati fans and the Bearcat program, but their pure hate for anything Big Ten can cloud their minds.

How is thinking USC & UCLA joining the Big 10 is a mistake hating the Big 10?

Because I've been on this forum just long enough to see the pattern.

(08-04-2022 04:04 PM)topper1296 Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 03:50 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  $94M/YR is insane but will more than cover those increased travel costs for USC & UCLA. Almost doubling the money they would have made in the PAC-12.

Are Washington, Oregon, Stanford, and Cal honestly worth $94M to split revenue with?

but what about the missed "class time" for the "student-athletes" crisscrossing the country for games?

It’s not about class. Most probably don’t attend anyway. All about the money !

(08-04-2022 08:11 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 08:03 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 05:55 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  USC & UCLA will regret the move within 3 years. Maybe UCLA will be saved from themselves by the State of California. The money will just be wasted on administrators and travel.

Oh you UC fans. Somehow UCLA/USC to the BIG for a $94m annual payout will fail, but UC sending all its teams to play in the Greater Texas League with special trips to Provo for what $25m is an excellent move.

Yes, I agree with that. UC will have essentially the same amount of travel in the Big 12 as they do in the American. Same travel, more money, teams that the fan base cares more about makes sense.

USC & UCLA will travel significantly more, are much richer schools than UC will ever dream to be & will play less interesting teams overall to their fanbase. Who wants USC vs Purdue, Indiana, Iowa, Minnesota, Maryland, Nebraska, Rutgers, Northwestern, Illinois??? These are boring, low interest games. Not a good decision. The benefit of being rich like USC & UCLA is that you don't make dumb decisions like joining the Big 10.

And those original B12 schools give a crap about UCF or UC? Please you are a schedule filler, nothing more. That makes you no better than the scorn you guys throw at Rutgers in the BIG. Infact you are still worse. Once again you are joining a conference in decline. UC may put up a good showing, but it is once again joining a wounded P conference that is on the express elevator to the G leagues. There is exactly one school who may be happy to see UC in the B12. That is WV because maybe UC is just a long road trip away.

(08-04-2022 08:17 PM)cubucks Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 08:13 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 08:10 PM)cubucks Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 08:03 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 05:55 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  USC & UCLA will regret the move within 3 years. Maybe UCLA will be saved from themselves by the State of California. The money will just be wasted on administrators and travel.

Oh you UC fans. Somehow UCLA/USC to the BIG for a $94m annual payout will fail, but UC sending all its teams to play in the Greater Texas League with special trips to Provo for what $25m is an excellent move.

Yep, I enjoy a lot of Cincinnati fans and the Bearcat program, but their pure hate for anything Big Ten can cloud their minds.

How is thinking USC & UCLA joining the Big 10 is a mistake hating the Big 10?

Because I've been on this forum just long enough to see the pattern.

I think the Big 10 has made mistakes chasing money instead of athletic success, but I don't hate the conference. I think a large minority or a small majority of Big 10 fans would agree with these points:

1. Adding Rutgers was extremely dumb - short term $$ for a program with no athletic history & few ties to the existing schools.
2. Adding Maryland was dumb - not as bad as Rutgers, but again, no football history, few ties to existing schools & just a Purdue level program. No one is excited to play Maryland. The Big 10 actually schedules annual games with Rutgers & Maryland with Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan & Michigan State - why? These are terrible games!
3. Adding Nebraska was adding a has-been - Nebraska is a low growth, low population state with no recruiting territory. There is no path for Nebraska to return to the elite. They will eventually be Minnesota or Indiana.
4. Adding USC & UCLA has destroyed the Pac 12 - what does it say about an organization that destroys its 100 year ally? 100 years of talk about how important the Rose Bowl is - just forgotten overnight?

Further - as a UC fan I appreciate the Big 10 Network as it added slots on ESPN for Big East & later AAC games. Purdue, Indiana, Northwestern, Illinois games are hidden on BTN while AAC programs got exposure on ESPN that those teams used to get. This has greatly helped UC & Louisville. Less money, yes, but as a fan I care about wins & seeing my team on TV. I don't get a cut of the $$.

(08-04-2022 05:55 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  USC & UCLA will regret the move within 3 years. Maybe UCLA will be saved from themselves by the State of California. The money will just be wasted on administrators and travel.

And Diversity training, they will need x amount of LGBTX pilots n chit.

(08-04-2022 08:37 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 08:11 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 08:03 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 05:55 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  USC & UCLA will regret the move within 3 years. Maybe UCLA will be saved from themselves by the State of California. The money will just be wasted on administrators and travel.

Oh you UC fans. Somehow UCLA/USC to the BIG for a $94m annual payout will fail, but UC sending all its teams to play in the Greater Texas League with special trips to Provo for what $25m is an excellent move.

Yes, I agree with that. UC will have essentially the same amount of travel in the Big 12 as they do in the American. Same travel, more money, teams that the fan base cares more about makes sense.

USC & UCLA will travel significantly more, are much richer schools than UC will ever dream to be & will play less interesting teams overall to their fanbase. Who wants USC vs Purdue, Indiana, Iowa, Minnesota, Maryland, Nebraska, Rutgers, Northwestern, Illinois??? These are boring, low interest games. Not a good decision. The benefit of being rich like USC & UCLA is that you don't make dumb decisions like joining the Big 10.

And those original B12 schools give a crap about UCF or UC? Please you are a schedule filler, nothing more. That makes you no better than the scorn you guys throw at Rutgers in the BIG. Infact you are still worse. Once again you are joining a conference in decline. UC may put up a good showing, but it is once again joining a wounded P conference that is on the express elevator to the G leagues. There is exactly one school who may be happy to see UC in the B12. That is WV because maybe UC is just a long road trip away.

Maybe I am wrong, but I think Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Texas Tech, Ok State fans are excited to play UC & UCF. UC & UCF are winning teams that have made investments to win located in great recruiting territory with good coaches. UC was in the Playoff last year - I think almost every Team in the country wants a chance to play a Playoff team. Given the choice of following a rich team or a winning team, I will pick a winning team every time. Again, I don't get a cut of the $$.

BTW - it takes a lot of nerve to call UC & UCF "schedule filler" as a Rutgers fan.

(08-04-2022 07:25 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 05:55 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  USC & UCLA will regret the move within 3 years. Maybe UCLA will be saved from themselves by the State of California. The money will just be wasted on administrators and travel.

USC and UCLA won't regret the move because it makes sense strategically and financially. They will find the travel more burdensome than they expected, and their players and coaches and fans will wish they didn't have to deal with it, but Hawaii has overcome an even greater travel burden for half a century on a budget that's miniscule by comparison. USC and UCLA will figure it out.

I expect that to ease their future travel burdens somewhat, USC and UCLA will start limiting ooc scheduling to the west coast in everything but football. If that happens, I hope us west coasters put the squeeze on them by demanding home games, especially in men's basketball.

(08-04-2022 08:37 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 08:11 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 08:03 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 05:55 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  USC & UCLA will regret the move within 3 years. Maybe UCLA will be saved from themselves by the State of California. The money will just be wasted on administrators and travel.

Oh you UC fans. Somehow UCLA/USC to the BIG for a $94m annual payout will fail, but UC sending all its teams to play in the Greater Texas League with special trips to Provo for what $25m is an excellent move.

Yes, I agree with that. UC will have essentially the same amount of travel in the Big 12 as they do in the American. Same travel, more money, teams that the fan base cares more about makes sense.

USC & UCLA will travel significantly more, are much richer schools than UC will ever dream to be & will play less interesting teams overall to their fanbase. Who wants USC vs Purdue, Indiana, Iowa, Minnesota, Maryland, Nebraska, Rutgers, Northwestern, Illinois??? These are boring, low interest games. Not a good decision. The benefit of being rich like USC & UCLA is that you don't make dumb decisions like joining the Big 10.

And those original B12 schools give a crap about UCF or UC? Please you are a schedule filler, nothing more. That makes you no better than the scorn you guys throw at Rutgers in the BIG. Infact you are still worse. Once again you are joining a conference in decline. UC may put up a good showing, but it is once again joining a wounded P conference that is on the express elevator to the G leagues. There is exactly one school who may be happy to see UC in the B12. That is WV because maybe UC is just a long road trip away.

You still mad about that 45-7 beatdown to open the season in 2009 when Rutgers was supposed to win the Big East. Rutgers will never sniff a playoff UC will. Do what you do best sling some pizza dough. We play football in Ohio.

(08-04-2022 08:46 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 08:37 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 08:11 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 08:03 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 05:55 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  USC & UCLA will regret the move within 3 years. Maybe UCLA will be saved from themselves by the State of California. The money will just be wasted on administrators and travel.

Oh you UC fans. Somehow UCLA/USC to the BIG for a $94m annual payout will fail, but UC sending all its teams to play in the Greater Texas League with special trips to Provo for what $25m is an excellent move.

Yes, I agree with that. UC will have essentially the same amount of travel in the Big 12 as they do in the American. Same travel, more money, teams that the fan base cares more about makes sense.

USC & UCLA will travel significantly more, are much richer schools than UC will ever dream to be & will play less interesting teams overall to their fanbase. Who wants USC vs Purdue, Indiana, Iowa, Minnesota, Maryland, Nebraska, Rutgers, Northwestern, Illinois??? These are boring, low interest games. Not a good decision. The benefit of being rich like USC & UCLA is that you don't make dumb decisions like joining the Big 10.

And those original B12 schools give a crap about UCF or UC? Please you are a schedule filler, nothing more. That makes you no better than the scorn you guys throw at Rutgers in the BIG. Infact you are still worse. Once again you are joining a conference in decline. UC may put up a good showing, but it is once again joining a wounded P conference that is on the express elevator to the G leagues. There is exactly one school who may be happy to see UC in the B12. That is WV because maybe UC is just a long road trip away.

Maybe I am wrong, but I think Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Texas Tech, Ok State fans are excited to play UC & UCF. UC & UCF are winning teams that have made investments to win located in great recruiting territory with good coaches. UC was in the Playoff last year - I think almost every Team in the country wants a chance to play a Playoff team. Given the choice of following a rich team or a winning team, I will pick a winning team every time. Again, I don't get a cut of the $$.

BTW - it takes a lot of nerve to call UC & UCF "schedule filler" as a Rutgers fan.

The Big 12 is all-in on UC, UCF, Houston, and BYU quickly surpassing many others outside of the P2. The old notion they are not in the peer group died with the P5 era- UCF, Houston, and UC have more going for them in this new era than a brand name school, not program, like Cal for example.

Cal couldn't keep up even when peers of the other P5s. If they are off-brand, outside of P2, they'll fade even more in the west. The culture around Cal types are not conducive to doing-more-with-less that is needed in the best of the rest conference.

The P5 era is dead. You're either in the P2, or you're fighting for position to survive, no matter how much you used to be peers with some of the P2. Being bullish on schools accustomed to climbing despite making 1/4 the P5 is a better bet than brand schools.

Which is why the four additions are likely higher in the PAC and ACC wish list than some more tenured Big 12 members, and why the Big 12 has more interest in schools like SDSU, USF, and Memphis than some PAC and ACC schools, although social capital still important to perception when building the 3rd conference, and it preferred to just cull P5's.... "calling up" G5 as needed when they out-preform the Oregon St types, or BC/Cuse types.

(08-04-2022 08:26 PM)goherd17 Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 04:04 PM)topper1296 Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 03:50 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  $94M/YR is insane but will more than cover those increased travel costs for USC & UCLA. Almost doubling the money they would have made in the PAC-12.

Are Washington, Oregon, Stanford, and Cal honestly worth $94M to split revenue with?

but what about the missed "class time" for the "student-athletes" crisscrossing the country for games?

It’s not about class. Most probably don’t attend anyway. All about the money !

IMHO the travel issue is blown out of proportion. But that’s not because academics don’t matter. It’s because athletes with the right attitude and work ethic can handle the burden and still succeed as students.

• Hawaii's athletic department posted an all-sport Academic Performance Rate (APR) score of 980 during the 2020-21 academic year.
  

• Eight of the school’s 18 teams posted perfect single-year scores of 1,000 including six women’s programs – basketball, golf, softball, soccer, swimming and diving, and tennis – and two men’s sports – golf and swimming and diving
  

• A record eight Hawaii teams posted multiyear scores of 990 or higher while five programs equaled or set new all-time multiyear scores – baseball (983), men’s golf (1,000), men’s tennis (991), men’s volleyball (995), and women’s swimming (997)
  

• 19 of 21 Hawaii sports have team cumulative GPAs of 3.00 or higher.
  

• 79 Hawaii student-athletes competing in fall and winter sports were recognized as academic all-conference. Another 66 competing in spring sports earned academic all-conference honors.
  

• A total of 113 current and former Hawaii student-athletes earned their degrees during the 2021-22 school year.
  

https://hawaiiathletics.com/news/2022/6/...f599b1fd-3

It's too easy these days to stereotype college athletes as single-interest pretenders who skip classes, don't study and never graduate. The reality is that many of these kids put forth a pretty amazing effort to succeed academically, at least at schools that don't have the money to pamper them with hand-holding personal tutors and psuedo-coursework. That effort is the norm for Hawaii’s student-athletes and is why I'm committed to supporting them.

(08-04-2022 04:22 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 04:04 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 03:50 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  $94M/YR is insane but will more than cover those increased travel costs for USC & UCLA. Almost doubling the money they would have made in the PAC-12.

Are Washington, Oregon, Stanford, and Cal honestly worth $94M to split revenue with?

Give them half shares of $47M a piece.

I think the B1G is better off just holding.

Stanford, Cal, Oregon and Washington to go with UCLA/USC would lock up the west for the B1G and be all around worth it IMO.

Think about Kevin Warren's comments. It could be 2 months or it could be 2 years. Absolutely they would add some value.

(08-04-2022 08:37 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 08:17 PM)cubucks Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 08:13 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 08:10 PM)cubucks Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 08:03 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  Oh you UC fans. Somehow UCLA/USC to the BIG for a $94m annual payout will fail, but UC sending all its teams to play in the Greater Texas League with special trips to Provo for what $25m is an excellent move.

Yep, I enjoy a lot of Cincinnati fans and the Bearcat program, but their pure hate for anything Big Ten can cloud their minds.

How is thinking USC & UCLA joining the Big 10 is a mistake hating the Big 10?

Because I've been on this forum just long enough to see the pattern.

I think the Big 10 has made mistakes chasing money instead of athletic success, but I don't hate the conference. I think a large minority or a small majority of Big 10 fans would agree with these points:

1. Adding Rutgers was extremely dumb - short term $$ for a program with no athletic history & few ties to the existing schools.
2. Adding Maryland was dumb - not as bad as Rutgers, but again, no football history, few ties to existing schools & just a Purdue level program. No one is excited to play Maryland. The Big 10 actually schedules annual games with Rutgers & Maryland with Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan & Michigan State - why? These are terrible games!
3. Adding Nebraska was adding a has-been - Nebraska is a low growth, low population state with no recruiting territory. There is no path for Nebraska to return to the elite. They will eventually be Minnesota or Indiana.
4. Adding USC & UCLA has destroyed the Pac 12 - what does it say about an organization that destroys its 100 year ally? 100 years of talk about how important the Rose Bowl is - just forgotten overnight?

Further - as a UC fan I appreciate the Big 10 Network as it added slots on ESPN for Big East & later AAC games. Purdue, Indiana, Northwestern, Illinois games are hidden on BTN while AAC programs got exposure on ESPN that those teams used to get. This has greatly helped UC & Louisville. Less money, yes, but as a fan I care about wins & seeing my team on TV. I don't get a cut of the $$.

I really like this post and apologize for being a bit over the top with my initial response to you.

Rutgers, I can see where everything you wrote has meaning

Maryland, I think this was a great addition. They have a really good basketball history and play really good Olympic sports.

Both of these additions add very good recruiting areas and, yes, money for their large markets.

Nebraska, they are added for name alone, huge football history, It's a home run addition.

USC/UCLA, they are perfect BIG fits! Yes travel sucks because of distance, but time zones are where the adjustment will be complicated. Look, they already fly 2 1/2 hrs for some games in the Pac, they now will travel 3 to 5 hours.

Remember, the Midwest doesn't have the luxuries of the South and their recruiting locations. Not only did the BIG add markets, but fertile recruiting spots as well. The BIG was never going away, it was always going to grow. I believe their approach is the right way, even though I'm not all for expansion. I do understand this is buisness, and it has/had to be done.

Best of luck to the Bearcats!

(08-04-2022 09:03 PM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 08:46 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 08:37 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 08:11 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 08:03 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  Oh you UC fans. Somehow UCLA/USC to the BIG for a $94m annual payout will fail, but UC sending all its teams to play in the Greater Texas League with special trips to Provo for what $25m is an excellent move.

Yes, I agree with that. UC will have essentially the same amount of travel in the Big 12 as they do in the American. Same travel, more money, teams that the fan base cares more about makes sense.

USC & UCLA will travel significantly more, are much richer schools than UC will ever dream to be & will play less interesting teams overall to their fanbase. Who wants USC vs Purdue, Indiana, Iowa, Minnesota, Maryland, Nebraska, Rutgers, Northwestern, Illinois??? These are boring, low interest games. Not a good decision. The benefit of being rich like USC & UCLA is that you don't make dumb decisions like joining the Big 10.

And those original B12 schools give a crap about UCF or UC? Please you are a schedule filler, nothing more. That makes you no better than the scorn you guys throw at Rutgers in the BIG. Infact you are still worse. Once again you are joining a conference in decline. UC may put up a good showing, but it is once again joining a wounded P conference that is on the express elevator to the G leagues. There is exactly one school who may be happy to see UC in the B12. That is WV because maybe UC is just a long road trip away.

Maybe I am wrong, but I think Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Texas Tech, Ok State fans are excited to play UC & UCF. UC & UCF are winning teams that have made investments to win located in great recruiting territory with good coaches. UC was in the Playoff last year - I think almost every Team in the country wants a chance to play a Playoff team. Given the choice of following a rich team or a winning team, I will pick a winning team every time. Again, I don't get a cut of the $$.

BTW - it takes a lot of nerve to call UC & UCF "schedule filler" as a Rutgers fan.

The Big 12 is all-in on UC, UCF, Houston, and BYU quickly surpassing many others outside of the P2. The old notion they are not in the peer group died with the P5 era- UCF, Houston, and UC have more going for them in this new era than a brand name school, not program, like Cal for example.

Cal couldn't keep up even when peers of the other P5s. If they are off-brand, outside of P2, they'll fade even more in the west. The culture around Cal types are not conducive to doing-more-with-less that is needed in the best of the rest conference.

The P5 era is dead. You're either in the P2, or you're fighting for position to survive, no matter how much you used to be peers with some of the P2. Being bullish on schools accustomed to climbing despite making 1/4 the P5 is a better bet than brand schools.

Which is why the four additions are likely higher in the PAC and ACC wish list than some more tenured Big 12 members, and why the Big 12 has more interest in schools like SDSU, USF, and Memphis than some PAC and ACC schools, although social capital still important to perception when building the 3rd conference, and it preferred to just cull P5's.... "calling up" G5 as needed when they out-preform the Oregon St types, or BC/Cuse types.

I think the Big 12 would be all in on Boise State as well. They bring a name into the Big 12 with a winning record since 1999. None of the 4 corner schools can claimed. Boise State at times P5 schools are afraid to play them. A lot of people think it is time for them to join one of the P5 conferences and they deserved it. Raiding the PAC 12 only dilute the fan interests.

(08-04-2022 09:56 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 09:03 PM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 08:46 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 08:37 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 08:11 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  Yes, I agree with that. UC will have essentially the same amount of travel in the Big 12 as they do in the American. Same travel, more money, teams that the fan base cares more about makes sense.

USC & UCLA will travel significantly more, are much richer schools than UC will ever dream to be & will play less interesting teams overall to their fanbase. Who wants USC vs Purdue, Indiana, Iowa, Minnesota, Maryland, Nebraska, Rutgers, Northwestern, Illinois??? These are boring, low interest games. Not a good decision. The benefit of being rich like USC & UCLA is that you don't make dumb decisions like joining the Big 10.

And those original B12 schools give a crap about UCF or UC? Please you are a schedule filler, nothing more. That makes you no better than the scorn you guys throw at Rutgers in the BIG. Infact you are still worse. Once again you are joining a conference in decline. UC may put up a good showing, but it is once again joining a wounded P conference that is on the express elevator to the G leagues. There is exactly one school who may be happy to see UC in the B12. That is WV because maybe UC is just a long road trip away.

Maybe I am wrong, but I think Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Texas Tech, Ok State fans are excited to play UC & UCF. UC & UCF are winning teams that have made investments to win located in great recruiting territory with good coaches. UC was in the Playoff last year - I think almost every Team in the country wants a chance to play a Playoff team. Given the choice of following a rich team or a winning team, I will pick a winning team every time. Again, I don't get a cut of the $$.

BTW - it takes a lot of nerve to call UC & UCF "schedule filler" as a Rutgers fan.

The Big 12 is all-in on UC, UCF, Houston, and BYU quickly surpassing many others outside of the P2. The old notion they are not in the peer group died with the P5 era- UCF, Houston, and UC have more going for them in this new era than a brand name school, not program, like Cal for example.

Cal couldn't keep up even when peers of the other P5s. If they are off-brand, outside of P2, they'll fade even more in the west. The culture around Cal types are not conducive to doing-more-with-less that is needed in the best of the rest conference.

The P5 era is dead. You're either in the P2, or you're fighting for position to survive, no matter how much you used to be peers with some of the P2. Being bullish on schools accustomed to climbing despite making 1/4 the P5 is a better bet than brand schools.

Which is why the four additions are likely higher in the PAC and ACC wish list than some more tenured Big 12 members, and why the Big 12 has more interest in schools like SDSU, USF, and Memphis than some PAC and ACC schools, although social capital still important to perception when building the 3rd conference, and it preferred to just cull P5's.... "calling up" G5 as needed when they out-preform the Oregon St types, or BC/Cuse types.

I think the Big 12 would be all in on Boise State as well. They bring a name into the Big 12 with a winning record since 1999. None of the 4 corner schools can claimed. Boise State at times P5 schools are afraid to play them. A lot of people think it is time for them to join one of the P5 conferences and they deserved it. Raiding the PAC 12 only dilute the fan interests.

Boise built themselves a brand and have respectable ratings. I have doubts as to whether that lasts, as all similar programs that had staying power were better located to recruits. The PAC really should be the ones adding them if they are serious about surviving.