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This isn't the kind of move that seems like much now, but if Sankey gets his way and Division 1 shrinks it wouldn't surprise me if the CAA just makes the cut, and the Big South is out. This could be a program changing move, and the school may truly not even know the full magnitude of it yet.
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Matt Brown called it when he said the next realignment would not be P5, but further down, even FCS or basketball. Well here you go.

And I had no inkling of this one. I am now wondering what a CAA fit is now. At least a pretty clear South Division: UNCW, Campbell, Elon, NC A&T, Hampton, W&M being fairly compact, and CoC a bit out there; and North: Towson, UDel, Drexel, Monmouth, Hofstra, Stony Brook and Northeastern as a bit out there. But these are not really schools with common missions or focus, just they play athletics below the A10 but above most of the rest of FCS.
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(08-03-2022 10:55 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Matt Brown called it when he said the next realignment would not be P5, but further down, even FCS or basketball. Well here you go.

And I had no inkling of this one. I am now wondering what a CAA fit is now. At least a pretty clear South Division: UNCW, Campbell, Elon, NC A&T, Hampton, W&M being fairly compact, and CoC a bit out there; and North: Towson, UDel, Drexel, Monmouth, Hofstra, Stony Brook and Northeastern as a bit out there. But these are not really schools with common missions or focus, just they play athletics below the A10 but above most of the rest of FCS.

I mean, you've answered your own question. Granted, there's also a general emphasis on academics; most of the institutions are US News National Universities, several of which are top 100. But if a group of institutions simply have a common goal of where they want to reach athletically, and are in the same geographic area, is that not enough of a mission?
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jcohen42,

Missions are no longer the same nor standards.

Stony Brook, UDel (for out of state), Hofstra (top Business and Wall Street program), Northeastern, Drexel, Elon (more liberal arts, but similar to Davidson in high AI)all have really high AI. Monmouth doesn't, a definite lowering of the bar of admission to the CAA, almost to warm body. Hampton is pretty decent for an HBCU, but that HBCU standards not on CAA standards, not even Monmouth, NC A&T lower. Now you have a Southern Baptist school.

Hampton and NC A&T can be argued was an attempt to cash in on the resurgent funding of HBCUs in the woke movement (they were dying on the limb five years ago). You could excuse that if it got you Howard and helped diversity recruiting. But I suspect all they did was bring on two athletic bricks of cement, not gold.

What I mean is these schools no longer had diddly in common, look like many of those old conferences that shattered, replaced by ones that had more common institutional ground. The CAA IMO has become a lot less stable with this configuration.
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(08-03-2022 11:33 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The CAA IMO has become a lot less stable with this configuration.

This is the fundamental aspect on which we disagree, which is fine. The CAA was much more at risk of getting picked apart to death when it lost JMU. Has the conference gone overboard? Perhaps. But at least it's gone all-in on something, which is having two distinct geographic cores that lend themselves well to divisions. Even if some defections occur, the conference will be in fine shape, which is more than could be said when JMU's departure was first announced.
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(08-03-2022 11:33 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  jcohen42,

Missions are no longer the same nor standards.

Stony Brook, UDel (for out of state), Hofstra (top Business and Wall Street program), Northeastern, Drexel, Elon (more liberal arts, but similar to Davidson in high AI)all have really high AI. Monmouth doesn't, a definite lowering of the bar of admission to the CAA, almost to warm body. Hampton is pretty decent for an HBCU, but that HBCU standards not on CAA standards, not even Monmouth, NC A&T lower. Now you have a Southern Baptist school.

Hampton and NC A&T can be argued was an attempt to cash in on the resurgent funding of HBCUs in the woke movement (they were dying on the limb five years ago). You could excuse that if it got you Howard and helped diversity recruiting. But I suspect all they did was bring on two athletic bricks of cement, not gold.

What I mean is these schools no longer had diddly in common, look like many of those old conferences that shattered, replaced by ones that had more common institutional ground. The CAA IMO has become a lot less stable with this configuration.


Maybe, but maybe it was more of a move against the SoCon. Both Yosef Himself and I speculated that Campbell would be a near ideal fit for the SoCon. Next thing we know, the CAA is scooping them up. I think that the CAA wants to poach the best SoCon schools, and possibly set the Northeast schools adrift or...really challenge the A-10 and the Big East in basketball. The CAA is trying to freeze the SoCon 's options, so that the SoCon cannot expand. Then the CAA will go for the SoCon itself by going after schools like Chattanooga and Furman. That is the CAA's endgame, IMO. Basically, the same thing that the AAC did to the MWC in the state of Texas.
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(08-03-2022 11:05 PM)jcohen42 Wrote:  
(08-03-2022 10:55 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Matt Brown called it when he said the next realignment would not be P5, but further down, even FCS or basketball. Well here you go.

And I had no inkling of this one. I am now wondering what a CAA fit is now. At least a pretty clear South Division: UNCW, Campbell, Elon, NC A&T, Hampton, W&M being fairly compact, and CoC a bit out there; and North: Towson, UDel, Drexel, Monmouth, Hofstra, Stony Brook and Northeastern as a bit out there. But these are not really schools with common missions or focus, just they play athletics below the A10 but above most of the rest of FCS.

I mean, you've answered your own question. Granted, there's also a general emphasis on academics; most of the institutions are US News National Universities, several of which are top 100. But if a group of institutions simply have a common goal of where they want to reach athletically, and are in the same geographic area, is that not enough of a mission?

Agree - also I think the CAA has been adding new members who see athletics in a bigger light, certainly compared to their previous home, as backed by the investments the league requires for membership. Campbell, Elon, Stony Brook and Monmouth are all upwardly trending schools making major investments in their athletics and facilities. They also plug holes in the leagues geography.

The new members also stabilize the conference, not the other way around. Prior to the expansion last year, the CAA only had 5 all sports members (all sports plus football). With Campbell, that number is now up to 9. This to me had been the weakest link of the league. As result, they have strengthened the core and addressed travel issues.

The other approach is to sit by and watch - like the So Con, Big South, AE or Patriot. Not sure that’s a good long term plan. I would rather be in the conference adding members reaching for bigger things.
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(08-03-2022 11:58 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(08-03-2022 11:33 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  jcohen42,

Missions are no longer the same nor standards.

Stony Brook, UDel (for out of state), Hofstra (top Business and Wall Street program), Northeastern, Drexel, Elon (more liberal arts, but similar to Davidson in high AI)all have really high AI. Monmouth doesn't, a definite lowering of the bar of admission to the CAA, almost to warm body. Hampton is pretty decent for an HBCU, but that HBCU standards not on CAA standards, not even Monmouth, NC A&T lower. Now you have a Southern Baptist school.

Hampton and NC A&T can be argued was an attempt to cash in on the resurgent funding of HBCUs in the woke movement (they were dying on the limb five years ago). You could excuse that if it got you Howard and helped diversity recruiting. But I suspect all they did was bring on two athletic bricks of cement, not gold.

What I mean is these schools no longer had diddly in common, look like many of those old conferences that shattered, replaced by ones that had more common institutional ground. The CAA IMO has become a lot less stable with this configuration.


Maybe, but maybe it was more of a move against the SoCon. Both Yosef Himself and I speculated that Campbell would be a near ideal fit for the SoCon. Next thing we know, the CAA is scooping them up. I think that the CAA wants to poach the best SoCon schools, and possibly set the Northeast schools adrift or...really challenge the A-10 and the Big East in basketball. The CAA is trying to freeze the SoCon 's options, so that the SoCon cannot expand. Then the CAA will go for the SoCon itself by going after schools like Chattanooga and Furman. That is the CAA's endgame, IMO. Basically, the same thing that the AAC did to the MWC in the state of Texas.

I don’t think the add is focused against the So Con as in some sinister plot. That’s ridiculous. I agree Campbell could have been a decent fit there as well. I’m not sure what the So Cons strategy actually is though it appears to me that the best result for both Big South and So Con is a possible merger at this point.
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(08-04-2022 02:27 AM)Sitting bull Wrote:  
(08-03-2022 11:58 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(08-03-2022 11:33 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  jcohen42,

Missions are no longer the same nor standards.

Stony Brook, UDel (for out of state), Hofstra (top Business and Wall Street program), Northeastern, Drexel, Elon (more liberal arts, but similar to Davidson in high AI)all have really high AI. Monmouth doesn't, a definite lowering of the bar of admission to the CAA, almost to warm body. Hampton is pretty decent for an HBCU, but that HBCU standards not on CAA standards, not even Monmouth, NC A&T lower. Now you have a Southern Baptist school.

Hampton and NC A&T can be argued was an attempt to cash in on the resurgent funding of HBCUs in the woke movement (they were dying on the limb five years ago). You could excuse that if it got you Howard and helped diversity recruiting. But I suspect all they did was bring on two athletic bricks of cement, not gold.

What I mean is these schools no longer had diddly in common, look like many of those old conferences that shattered, replaced by ones that had more common institutional ground. The CAA IMO has become a lot less stable with this configuration.


Maybe, but maybe it was more of a move against the SoCon. Both Yosef Himself and I speculated that Campbell would be a near ideal fit for the SoCon. Next thing we know, the CAA is scooping them up. I think that the CAA wants to poach the best SoCon schools, and possibly set the Northeast schools adrift or...really challenge the A-10 and the Big East in basketball. The CAA is trying to freeze the SoCon 's options, so that the SoCon cannot expand. Then the CAA will go for the SoCon itself by going after schools like Chattanooga and Furman. That is the CAA's endgame, IMO. Basically, the same thing that the AAC did to the MWC in the state of Texas.

I don’t think the add is focused against the So Con as in some sinister plot. That’s ridiculous. I agree Campbell could have been a decent fit there as well. I’m not sure what the So Cons strategy actually is though it appears to me that the best result for both Big South and So Con is a possible merger at this point.

What would the SoCon have to gain from merging with the Big South? A nineteen team southern based conference is too big at that level. The SoCon could possibly raid the Big South for additional members, but I don't see it happening. They're pretty content with the members they have now.

I also don't see Chattanooga going to the CAA. Chattanooga is more than likely to join the Sunbelt in the FBS should they expand to sixteen teams. Chattanooga had FBS aspirations several years ago, but that opportunity has probably already passed them by. The only school that the SoCon could potentially lose is UNC-Greensboro. They are not a football school, and they are one of the more consistent contenders in the SoCon every year.

As far Gardner Webb and Charleston Southern, I'm surprised the commissioner of the ASUN hasn't called the athletic director of both schools and tried to convince them to join as either affiliates for football,.or as full members, which would get them out of the Big South's merger with the Ohio Valley Conference in football. I'm also surprised the Big South commissioner hasn't called up the athletic director of Queens and convinced them to change course and join the Big South instead of the ASUN.
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(08-04-2022 03:37 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  
(08-04-2022 02:27 AM)Sitting bull Wrote:  
(08-03-2022 11:58 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(08-03-2022 11:33 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  jcohen42,

Missions are no longer the same nor standards.

Stony Brook, UDel (for out of state), Hofstra (top Business and Wall Street program), Northeastern, Drexel, Elon (more liberal arts, but similar to Davidson in high AI)all have really high AI. Monmouth doesn't, a definite lowering of the bar of admission to the CAA, almost to warm body. Hampton is pretty decent for an HBCU, but that HBCU standards not on CAA standards, not even Monmouth, NC A&T lower. Now you have a Southern Baptist school.

Hampton and NC A&T can be argued was an attempt to cash in on the resurgent funding of HBCUs in the woke movement (they were dying on the limb five years ago). You could excuse that if it got you Howard and helped diversity recruiting. But I suspect all they did was bring on two athletic bricks of cement, not gold.

What I mean is these schools no longer had diddly in common, look like many of those old conferences that shattered, replaced by ones that had more common institutional ground. The CAA IMO has become a lot less stable with this configuration.


Maybe, but maybe it was more of a move against the SoCon. Both Yosef Himself and I speculated that Campbell would be a near ideal fit for the SoCon. Next thing we know, the CAA is scooping them up. I think that the CAA wants to poach the best SoCon schools, and possibly set the Northeast schools adrift or...really challenge the A-10 and the Big East in basketball. The CAA is trying to freeze the SoCon 's options, so that the SoCon cannot expand. Then the CAA will go for the SoCon itself by going after schools like Chattanooga and Furman. That is the CAA's endgame, IMO. Basically, the same thing that the AAC did to the MWC in the state of Texas.

I don’t think the add is focused against the So Con as in some sinister plot. That’s ridiculous. I agree Campbell could have been a decent fit there as well. I’m not sure what the So Cons strategy actually is though it appears to me that the best result for both Big South and So Con is a possible merger at this point.

What would the SoCon have to gain from merging with the Big South? A nineteen team southern based conference is too big at that level. The SoCon could possibly raid the Big South for additional members, but I don't see it happening. They're pretty content with the members they have now.

I also don't see Chattanooga going to the CAA. Chattanooga is more than likely to join the Sunbelt in the FBS should they expand to sixteen teams. Chattanooga had FBS aspirations several years ago, but that opportunity has probably already passed them by. The only school that the SoCon could potentially lose is UNC-Greensboro. They are not a football school, and they are one of the more consistent contenders in the SoCon every year.

As far Gardner Webb and Charleston Southern, I'm surprised the commissioner of the ASUN hasn't called the athletic director of both schools and tried to convince them to join as either affiliates for football,.or as full members, which would get them out of the Big South's merger with the Ohio Valley Conference in football. I'm also surprised the Big South commissioner hasn't called up the athletic director of Queens and convinced them to change course and join the Big South instead of the ASUN.

I don’t think there is any interest now or prior on behalf of the CAA for Chattanooga.
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The SoCon wants to stay lean.

The CAA needed divisons because of its large footprint.

The CAA tried to take SoCon schools and it didn't work which is why the SoCon raised their exit fee to $2M

Chattanooga to the CAA makes no sense
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(08-04-2022 03:37 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  
(08-04-2022 02:27 AM)Sitting bull Wrote:  
(08-03-2022 11:58 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(08-03-2022 11:33 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  jcohen42,

Missions are no longer the same nor standards.

Stony Brook, UDel (for out of state), Hofstra (top Business and Wall Street program), Northeastern, Drexel, Elon (more liberal arts, but similar to Davidson in high AI)all have really high AI. Monmouth doesn't, a definite lowering of the bar of admission to the CAA, almost to warm body. Hampton is pretty decent for an HBCU, but that HBCU standards not on CAA standards, not even Monmouth, NC A&T lower. Now you have a Southern Baptist school.

Hampton and NC A&T can be argued was an attempt to cash in on the resurgent funding of HBCUs in the woke movement (they were dying on the limb five years ago). You could excuse that if it got you Howard and helped diversity recruiting. But I suspect all they did was bring on two athletic bricks of cement, not gold.

What I mean is these schools no longer had diddly in common, look like many of those old conferences that shattered, replaced by ones that had more common institutional ground. The CAA IMO has become a lot less stable with this configuration.


Maybe, but maybe it was more of a move against the SoCon. Both Yosef Himself and I speculated that Campbell would be a near ideal fit for the SoCon. Next thing we know, the CAA is scooping them up. I think that the CAA wants to poach the best SoCon schools, and possibly set the Northeast schools adrift or...really challenge the A-10 and the Big East in basketball. The CAA is trying to freeze the SoCon 's options, so that the SoCon cannot expand. Then the CAA will go for the SoCon itself by going after schools like Chattanooga and Furman. That is the CAA's endgame, IMO. Basically, the same thing that the AAC did to the MWC in the state of Texas.

I don’t think the add is focused against the So Con as in some sinister plot. That’s ridiculous. I agree Campbell could have been a decent fit there as well. I’m not sure what the So Cons strategy actually is though it appears to me that the best result for both Big South and So Con is a possible merger at this point.

What would the SoCon have to gain from merging with the Big South? A nineteen team southern based conference is too big at that level. The SoCon could possibly raid the Big South for additional members, but I don't see it happening. They're pretty content with the members they have now.

I also don't see Chattanooga going to the CAA. Chattanooga is more than likely to join the Sunbelt in the FBS should they expand to sixteen teams. Chattanooga had FBS aspirations several years ago, but that opportunity has probably already passed them by. The only school that the SoCon could potentially lose is UNC-Greensboro. They are not a football school, and they are one of the more consistent contenders in the SoCon every year.

As far Gardner Webb and Charleston Southern, I'm surprised the commissioner of the ASUN hasn't called the athletic director of both schools and tried to convince them to join as either affiliates for football,.or as full members, which would get them out of the Big South's merger with the Ohio Valley Conference in football. I'm also surprised the Big South commissioner hasn't called up the athletic director of Queens and convinced them to change course and join the Big South instead of the ASUN.

Unless the ASUN is changing its focus school type for football neither fit. The football schools are all decent size public schools.
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There are times when I think people just need to look at a map instead of making assumptions about the conference. Every single all-sports CAA member is located within 100 miles of Interstate 95 (and only Albany falls outside of this distance among the affiliates), and assuming it goes to divisions in 2023, each division fits in a circle with a diameter of 400 miles. All of the CAA's recent adds (Stony Brook, Monmouth, Hampton, NC A&T, Campbell) fit perfectly into this geography. That's why they make sense.

Chattanooga and Furman, while quality programs, do not fit these criteria. I don't think they are in play.

Here's a map for reference: https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid...PIpx1hVEjY
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(08-04-2022 08:40 AM)jcohen42 Wrote:  There are times when I think people just need to look at a map instead of making assumptions about the conference. Every single all-sports CAA member is located within 100 miles of Interstate 95 (and only Albany falls outside of this distance among the affiliates), and assuming it goes to divisions in 2023, each division fits in a circle with a diameter of 400 miles. All of the CAA's recent adds (Stony Brook, Monmouth, Hampton, NC A&T, Campbell) fit perfectly into this geography. That's why they make sense.

Chattanooga and Furman, while quality programs, do not fit these criteria. I don't think they are in play.

Here's a map for reference: https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid...PIpx1hVEjY

99.99% correct in intent--that geography is a major influence in the expansion--however a big item to point out.

From a transpo/geography standpoint, Albany actually fits in that footprint--and for the better--as the lower I-95 schools don't make that hard right turn through the hell of Connecticut roadways, and instead just cruise right up the Thruway.

Albany to Monmouth is about 1:30 faster than Northeastern to Monmouth. Albany to Hofstra is an hour shorter than Northeastern to Hofstra.

Albany to Stony Brook is the same as Northeastern to SBU.

All schools SOUTH of Monmouth fair FAR worse, as Drexel (the first school in the line) to Northeastern is literally 2 hours LONGER to get to Northeastern as it would to Albany. (without crazy I-95 traffic making it far worse).

In short, Northeastern is the actual geographic outlier while Albany is right in the zone you speak of.
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So for football scheduling, I can foresee a 5-pod system wherein each of the 15 teams plays its 2 podmates annually and half the other 12 opponents twice in 4 years. The pods:

1) Maine, New Hampshire, Rhode Island
2) Albany, Monmouth, Stony Brook
3) Delaware, Towson, Villanova
4) Hampton, Richmond, William & Mary
5) Campbell, Elon, NC A&T

I'm not sure how important it is to keep Hampton/NC A&T annual.
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(08-04-2022 09:21 AM)GreatDane96 Wrote:  
(08-04-2022 08:40 AM)jcohen42 Wrote:  There are times when I think people just need to look at a map instead of making assumptions about the conference. Every single all-sports CAA member is located within 100 miles of Interstate 95 (and only Albany falls outside of this distance among the affiliates), and assuming it goes to divisions in 2023, each division fits in a circle with a diameter of 400 miles. All of the CAA's recent adds (Stony Brook, Monmouth, Hampton, NC A&T, Campbell) fit perfectly into this geography. That's why they make sense.

Chattanooga and Furman, while quality programs, do not fit these criteria. I don't think they are in play.

Here's a map for reference: https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid...PIpx1hVEjY

99.99% correct in intent--that geography is a major influence in the expansion--however a big item to point out.

From a transpo/geography standpoint, Albany actually fits in that foot print as the lower I-95 schools don't make that hard right turn and instead just cruise right up the Thruway.

Albany to Monmouth is about 1:30 faster than Northeastern to Monmouth. Albany to Hofstra is an hour shorter than Northeastern to Hofstra.

Albany to Stony Brook is the same as Northeastern to SBU.

All schools SOUTH of Monmouth fair FAR worse, as Drexel (the first school in the line) to Northeastern is literally 2 hours LONGER to get to Northeastern as it would to Albany. (without crazy I-95 traffic making it far worse).

In short, Northeastern is the actual geographic outlier while Albany is right in the zone you speak of.

Sure; however, there's more to the I-95 alignment than purely driving distance. This is the most densely populated corridor in the nation. Being aligned along this corridor is what makes Northeastern a better geographic fit than Albany.

That's not to say Albany wouldn't be a quality add, I think they would provide value. But practically, when it comes to the northern division in particular, transportation distance doesn't matter as much as being located in or close to major urban centers.
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(08-04-2022 09:23 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  So for football scheduling, I can foresee a 5-pod system wherein each of the 15 teams plays its 2 podmates annually and half the other 12 opponents twice in 4 years. The pods:

1) Maine, New Hampshire, Rhode Island
2) Albany, Monmouth, Stony Brook
3) Delaware, Towson, Villanova
4) Hampton, Richmond, William & Mary
5) Campbell, Elon, NC A&T

I'm not sure how important it is to keep Hampton/NC A&T annual.

Agreed, and this preserves the rivalries that already exist:

Albany-SBU
UNH-Maine
Delaware-Villanova
W&M-Richmond

I would suppose that Hampton and A&T will always be scheduled as a rivalry game no matter what.

I can see Elon/Campbell building one over time. I really don't think that URI or Towson have actual football rivals, I could be wrong here...just doesn't seem to be a thing for either school (weirdly enough).
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(08-04-2022 09:23 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  So for football scheduling, I can foresee a 5-pod system wherein each of the 15 teams plays its 2 podmates annually and half the other 12 opponents twice in 4 years. The pods:

1) Maine, New Hampshire, Rhode Island
2) Albany, Monmouth, Stony Brook
3) Delaware, Towson, Villanova
4) Hampton, Richmond, William & Mary
5) Campbell, Elon, NC A&T

I'm not sure how important it is to keep Hampton/NC A&T annual.

D1 360 did his 4 minutes in. He seems to think W&M/UDel and A&T/Hampton would be protected over in-state pods, creating a pentagon with Nova/UDel/Towson/W&M/UR and a quadrangle with Hampton/A&T/Elon/Campbell.



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(08-04-2022 09:29 AM)jcohen42 Wrote:  
(08-04-2022 09:21 AM)GreatDane96 Wrote:  
(08-04-2022 08:40 AM)jcohen42 Wrote:  There are times when I think people just need to look at a map instead of making assumptions about the conference. Every single all-sports CAA member is located within 100 miles of Interstate 95 (and only Albany falls outside of this distance among the affiliates), and assuming it goes to divisions in 2023, each division fits in a circle with a diameter of 400 miles. All of the CAA's recent adds (Stony Brook, Monmouth, Hampton, NC A&T, Campbell) fit perfectly into this geography. That's why they make sense.

Chattanooga and Furman, while quality programs, do not fit these criteria. I don't think they are in play.

Here's a map for reference: https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid...PIpx1hVEjY

99.99% correct in intent--that geography is a major influence in the expansion--however a big item to point out.

From a transpo/geography standpoint, Albany actually fits in that foot print as the lower I-95 schools don't make that hard right turn and instead just cruise right up the Thruway.

Albany to Monmouth is about 1:30 faster than Northeastern to Monmouth. Albany to Hofstra is an hour shorter than Northeastern to Hofstra.

Albany to Stony Brook is the same as Northeastern to SBU.

All schools SOUTH of Monmouth fair FAR worse, as Drexel (the first school in the line) to Northeastern is literally 2 hours LONGER to get to Northeastern as it would to Albany. (without crazy I-95 traffic making it far worse).

In short, Northeastern is the actual geographic outlier while Albany is right in the zone you speak of.

Sure; however, there's more to the I-95 alignment than purely driving distance. This is the most densely populated corridor in the nation. Being aligned along this corridor is what makes Northeastern a better geographic fit than Albany.

That's not to say Albany wouldn't be a quality add, I think they would provide value. But practically, when it comes to the northern division in particular, transportation distance doesn't matter as much as being located in or close to major urban centers.

I think you misunderstood my point. Northeastern isn't questioned here...I was just pointing out that Albany is WITHIN your geographic footprint and actually fits better. From what you wrote, I thought you meant that Albany wasn't in the footprint, that's all. Zero doubt (as my Northeastern friends know) that they fit.

That being said, and this shocks many when discussed, the Capital District / Albany media market is actually the fastest growing area of NYS, with close to 1.3 million people. For comparison, the Boston media market is 2.4 million. Clear difference...larger area for Boston. The media market is right behind Buffalo, at a shocking #60 (will be moving up in the next few weeks). This puts Albany in the same grouping as the Richmond, Memphis, Buffalo, New Orleans, Providence, etc. Albany is a sneaky little area.

If the CAA North ever broke off, I see Albany and Fairfield as sure bets to be added...and then you have two non-former AE schools plus all the "best of the best" of the iterations of the AE (overall athletics, not specific sports like UVM-hoops) in the North group. Full-circle...but with the cream of the former AE crop...in a tight geographic corridor.
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(08-04-2022 09:33 AM)GreatDane96 Wrote:  Zero doubt (as my Northeastern friends know) that they fit. In fact, let's be real...if the CAA North ever broke off, I see Albany and Fairfield as sure bets to be added...and then you have two non-former AE schools plus all the "best of the best" of the iterations of the AE (overall athletics, not specific sports like UVM-hoops) in the North group. Full-circle...but with the cream of the former AE crop...in a tight geographic corridor.

Yeah, this would be the dream scenario for most of the North, I think. Maybe not for Delaware, but their only path up is FBS, and there's a lot of work to be done to make that realistic for them. Not totally sure how happy the South would be with this scenario, but perhaps having their own auto-bid heals all wounds.
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