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What if Pitt, Syracuse, and BC petitioned to be voted out/released from ACC?
So lately, a lot of the talk seems to be about the southern ACC schools and their potential options for the P2.

I'd like to think the leaders of Pitt, Syracuse, and BC, are likely aware of that too.

And the B12 invite of Cin, to go with WV, has to look intriguing to them

What if they - with no invite in hand (yet) - called for a vote to release them from the conference, and all the responsibilities thereof.

Maybe set their departure date to 2024-ish, when TX and OK are set to leave the B12.

I think that it's quite possible the vote would pass.

For one thing, the conference seems to have mostly shifted south most of its members in the south - Which is why all (except maybe WF) seem to possibly have a chance at SEC membership

For another, I think the others, might like to see how the process turns out. (Thinking about the future.)

I don't think that those 3 leaving would affect the media deal, which likely means more money to go around, unless they backfill.

And this proactive step would put the 3 schools ahead of potential realignment moves, before they become after-thoughts.

I also think that the B12 are likely to take them, once they are available. And might invite Memphis and/or USF as well.

This still leaves room for inviting SMU, and potentially any PAC schools.

So my question is this:

What, if anything, are the negatives to these 3, in this scenario?
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RE: What if Pitt, Syracuse, and BC petitioned to be voted out/released from ACC?
(08-03-2022 02:54 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  So lately, a lot of the talk seems to be about the southern ACC schools and their potential options for the P2.

I'd like to think the leaders of Pitt, Syracuse, and BC, are likely aware of that too.

And the B12 invite of Cin, to go with WV, has to look intriguing to them

What if they - with no invite in hand (yet) - called for a vote to release them from the conference, and all the responsibilities thereof.

Maybe set their departure date to 2024-ish, when TX and OK are set to leave the B12.

I think that it's quite possible the vote would pass.

For one thing, the conference seems to have mostly shifted south - Which is why all (except maybe WF) seem to possibly have a chance at SEC membership

For another, I think the others, might like to see how the process turns out. (Thinking about the future.)

I don't think that those 3 leaving would affect the media deal, which likely means more money to go around, unless they backfill.

And this proactive step would put the 3 schools ahead of potential realignment moves, before they become after-thoughts.

I also think that the B12 are likely to take them, once they are available. And might invite Memphis and/or USF as well.

This still leaves room for inviting SMU, and potentially any PAC schools.

So my question is this:

What, if anything, are the negatives to these 3, in this scenario?

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RE: What if Pitt, Syracuse, and BC petitioned to be voted out/released from ACC?
At this point the ACC is still governed by the GOR until 2036-37. Schools may try to test it by then the schools left behind are going to make the schools that make it in the Big 10/SEC pay. The Big 12 unless they take about 8 or more ACC schools will still be a predominantly western conference and not ideal for three Northeastern schools. Do you think travel from Boston/Chestnut Hill, Syracuse, and Pittsburgh to Ames, Manhattan, Provo, Waco, and Stillwater is going to be fun, especially in the winter? And we don't even know how much money they are going to get or even if the Pac 12 doesn't get aggressive and target some of their schools. No school is going to ask out of the GOR to join the Big 12 now. The ACC still has a contract. The Big 12 (and Pac 12) is trying to convince the networks they're viable.

And the "conference seems to have mostly shifted south"? Since Pittsburgh and Syracuse have joined, the only other member that has joined was Louisville and they are south but pretty far North as far as the ACC is concerned. Since Boston College joined, the only ACC members that joined after them were "North" members Pittsburgh and Syracuse along with Louisville. It's not like the ACC is adding Tulane or Southern Mississippi.
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RE: What if Pitt, Syracuse, and BC petitioned to be voted out/released from ACC?
(08-03-2022 05:06 AM)schmolik Wrote:  At this point the ACC is still governed by the GOR until 2036-37. Schools may try to test it by then the schools left behind are going to make the schools that make it in the Big 10/SEC pay. The Big 12 unless they take about 8 or more ACC schools will still be a predominantly western conference and not ideal for three Northeastern schools. Do you think travel from Boston/Chestnut Hill, Syracuse, and Pittsburgh to Ames, Manhattan, Provo, Waco, and Stillwater is going to be fun, especially in the winter? And we don't even know how much money they are going to get or even if the Pac 12 doesn't get aggressive and target some of their schools. No school is going to ask out of the GOR to join the Big 12 now. The ACC still has a contract. The Big 12 (and Pac 12) is trying to convince the networks they're viable.

And the "conference seems to have mostly shifted south"? Since Pittsburgh and Syracuse have joined, the only other member that has joined was Louisville and they are south but pretty far North as far as the ACC is concerned. Since Boston College joined, the only ACC members that joined after them were "North" members Pittsburgh and Syracuse along with Louisville. It's not like the ACC is adding Tulane or Southern Mississippi.


ND joined (mostly) the ACC between Pitt/Syracuse and Louisville, I believe.

That is not a "southern shift", either.
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RE: What if Pitt, Syracuse, and BC petitioned to be voted out/released from ACC?
(08-03-2022 05:06 AM)schmolik Wrote:  At this point the ACC is still governed by the GOR until 2036-37. Schools may try to test it by then the schools left behind are going to make the schools that make it in the Big 10/SEC pay. The Big 12 unless they take about 8 or more ACC schools will still be a predominantly western conference and not ideal for three Northeastern schools. Do you think travel from Boston/Chestnut Hill, Syracuse, and Pittsburgh to Ames, Manhattan, Provo, Waco, and Stillwater is going to be fun, especially in the winter? And we don't even know how much money they are going to get or even if the Pac 12 doesn't get aggressive and target some of their schools. No school is going to ask out of the GOR to join the Big 12 now. The ACC still has a contract. The Big 12 (and Pac 12) is trying to convince the networks they're viable.

And the "conference seems to have mostly shifted south"? Since Pittsburgh and Syracuse have joined, the only other member that has joined was Louisville and they are south but pretty far North as far as the ACC is concerned. Since Boston College joined, the only ACC members that joined after them were "North" members Pittsburgh and Syracuse along with Louisville. It's not like the ACC is adding Tulane or Southern Mississippi.

I'm not talking about "testing" the GoR.

I'm not talking about "breaking" the GoR.

What I'm talking about is following the process of removal, allowed under the ACC rules.

Ask for a vote and see if they allow these 3 to leave.

Yes, it could turn out the rest of the members are not willing to vote to allow these 3 to leave.

But my thought is, based upon the things I noted above, among other things, they just might succeed in the vote.

And yes there would likely be other details to wrap up as part of the parting of ways, but that would be true in any event.

And as much as we like to theorize on this board, the B12 is not likely going anywhere soon. And even if they did, the eastern schools would still likely group up in some way, so again, this would be staying ahead of the realignment curve.

So what I'm wondering is - if the vote was successful, is there some negative here for the 3 that I'm not seeing?
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(08-03-2022 06:11 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(08-03-2022 05:06 AM)schmolik Wrote:  At this point the ACC is still governed by the GOR until 2036-37. Schools may try to test it by then the schools left behind are going to make the schools that make it in the Big 10/SEC pay. The Big 12 unless they take about 8 or more ACC schools will still be a predominantly western conference and not ideal for three Northeastern schools. Do you think travel from Boston/Chestnut Hill, Syracuse, and Pittsburgh to Ames, Manhattan, Provo, Waco, and Stillwater is going to be fun, especially in the winter? And we don't even know how much money they are going to get or even if the Pac 12 doesn't get aggressive and target some of their schools. No school is going to ask out of the GOR to join the Big 12 now. The ACC still has a contract. The Big 12 (and Pac 12) is trying to convince the networks they're viable.

And the "conference seems to have mostly shifted south"? Since Pittsburgh and Syracuse have joined, the only other member that has joined was Louisville and they are south but pretty far North as far as the ACC is concerned. Since Boston College joined, the only ACC members that joined after them were "North" members Pittsburgh and Syracuse along with Louisville. It's not like the ACC is adding Tulane or Southern Mississippi.


ND joined (mostly) the ACC between Pitt/Syracuse, I believe.

That is not a "southern shift", either.

lol, strike the "southern shift" thing. I was thinking about the loss of Maryland and how that has helped give the impression of more isolating them. (Even if it's only in my own head : )

So feel free to disregard that part : )
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Why would you think the Big 12 would just take them? They may be more intriguing than say Oregon State, but make no mistake, this is the bottom of the ACC. The Big 12 is not expanding anymore until bigger players move to the B1G and SEC. At that point the Big 12 will offer invites to bigger fish who are left over after that.
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(08-03-2022 06:19 AM)otown Wrote:  Why would you think the Big 12 would just take them? They may be more intriguing than say Oregon State, but make no mistake, this is the bottom of the ACC. The Big 12 is not expanding anymore until bigger players move to the B1G and SEC. At that point the Big 12 will offer invites to bigger fish who are left over after that.

People are still talking about B12 taking G5 schools. So I dunno if I agree with your premise.
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Release granted. Let them go!!
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(08-03-2022 02:54 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  So lately, a lot of the talk seems to be about the southern ACC schools and their potential options for the P2.

I'd like to think the leaders of Pitt, Syracuse, and BC, are likely aware of that too.

And the B12 invite of Cin, to go with WV, has to look intriguing to them

What if they - with no invite in hand (yet) - called for a vote to release them from the conference, and all the responsibilities thereof.

Maybe set their departure date to 2024-ish, when TX and OK are set to leave the B12.

I think that it's quite possible the vote would pass.

For one thing, the conference seems to have mostly shifted south most of its members in the south - Which is why all (except maybe WF) seem to possibly have a chance at SEC membership

For another, I think the others, might like to see how the process turns out. (Thinking about the future.)

I don't think that those 3 leaving would affect the media deal, which likely means more money to go around, unless they backfill.

And this proactive step would put the 3 schools ahead of potential realignment moves, before they become after-thoughts.

I also think that the B12 are likely to take them, once they are available. And might invite Memphis and/or USF as well.

This still leaves room for inviting SMU, and potentially any PAC schools.

So my question is this:

What, if anything, are the negatives to these 3, in this scenario?

This is straight up lunacy! Did passengers on the Titanic volunteer to go for a swim because it might have got them to be rescued sooner. I think people are vastly overestimating the ability of the Big 12 to command a comparable media deal. The lack of blue blood brands will seriously hurt them. If you look at the ratings on Big 12 games you see the stark contrast in viewership. No team in the ACC would leave the ACC to get less money in a less prestigious conference. Think like a university president, would Boston College Pittsburgh and Syracuse want to be associated with BYU Baylor and Kansas State. Not to mention that they are now joining a league with spans from Massachusetts to Utah. This is not an upgrade, this is the kind of idea if you bring to your boss he would seriously consider firing you. The three Northeastern ACC schools will cling to the ACC until it's demise. This is for the simple fact that the best hope these teams have in the future of college football is rebuilding a watered down ACC. They'd be in the position to invite teams that were Regional and academic peers. Think Uconn, navy umass maybe army. This would serve thier goals of elite academics in a tight regional conference.
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RE: What if Pitt, Syracuse, and BC petitioned to be voted out/released from ACC?
Interesting idea to approach unraveling the ACC from the direction of the schools who aren't thought to have a P2 option, but I don't think they would do this. They'd be giving up any possibility of exit fees & GoR settlement money from schools who may break out for the B1G and/or SEC. Even more valuable is the possibility that Pitt or Syracuse might get a B1G invitation in order to get to enough schools to vote for dissolution of the ACC, as JR has suggested.

So I don't see it happening, but if they do it, we should absolutely let them go immediately and thank them profusely! Then we likely have the numbers to move on to the happy business of ending the ACC entirely.
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I think some people are too quick to write off the ACC. I wouldn't count them as dead just yet. I fully expect the ACC to pull a move that will many will find shocking. I don't know what that will be but i believe it will happen
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RE: What if Pitt, Syracuse, and BC petitioned to be voted out/released from ACC?
(08-03-2022 06:57 AM)LeeNobody Wrote:  
(08-03-2022 02:54 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  So lately, a lot of the talk seems to be about the southern ACC schools and their potential options for the P2.

I'd like to think the leaders of Pitt, Syracuse, and BC, are likely aware of that too.

And the B12 invite of Cin, to go with WV, has to look intriguing to them

What if they - with no invite in hand (yet) - called for a vote to release them from the conference, and all the responsibilities thereof.

Maybe set their departure date to 2024-ish, when TX and OK are set to leave the B12.

I think that it's quite possible the vote would pass.

For one thing, the conference seems to have mostly shifted south most of its members in the south - Which is why all (except maybe WF) seem to possibly have a chance at SEC membership

For another, I think the others, might like to see how the process turns out. (Thinking about the future.)

I don't think that those 3 leaving would affect the media deal, which likely means more money to go around, unless they backfill.

And this proactive step would put the 3 schools ahead of potential realignment moves, before they become after-thoughts.

I also think that the B12 are likely to take them, once they are available. And might invite Memphis and/or USF as well.

This still leaves room for inviting SMU, and potentially any PAC schools.

So my question is this:

What, if anything, are the negatives to these 3, in this scenario?

This is straight up lunacy! Did passengers on the Titanic volunteer to go for a swim because it might have got them to be rescued sooner. I think people are vastly overestimating the ability of the Big 12 to command a comparable media deal. The lack of blue blood brands will seriously hurt them. If you look at the ratings on Big 12 games you see the stark contrast in viewership. No team in the ACC would leave the ACC to get less money in a less prestigious conference. Think like a university president, would Boston College Pittsburgh and Syracuse want to be associated with BYU Baylor and Kansas State. Not to mention that they are now joining a league with spans from Massachusetts to Utah. This is not an upgrade, this is the kind of idea if you bring to your boss he would seriously consider firing you. The three Northeastern ACC schools will cling to the ACC until it's demise. This is for the simple fact that the best hope these teams have in the future of college football is rebuilding a watered down ACC. They'd be in the position to invite teams that were Regional and academic peers. Think Uconn, navy umass maybe army. This would serve thier goals of elite academics in a tight regional conference.

First, I don't see it as leaving because a ship's sinking. If anything (even according to those on this thread) the ACC could be seen as stronger without them. Though "perception" is a funny thing.

Second, I think the B12 currently has a higher payout than the ACC. (Though I would guess that others on this board have a better idea of the numbers than what I found online : )

And being proactive and taking risks is exactly what is done in business. The question is whether they will pan out. So you do your research, and you plan ahead, then you take the leap. If all you do is act reactively, you're much less likely to better yourself, while everyone else takes the seats to the gold.

Interesting thing though - nearly everyone seems to think that the ACC would let them go. I think that puts them in a unique position.

The B12 isn't the ACC. And I think the difference might be a good thing for those schools.
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(08-03-2022 07:05 AM)gosports1 Wrote:  I think some people are too quick to write off the ACC. I wouldn't count them as dead just yet. I fully expect the ACC to pull a move that will many will find shocking. I don't know what that will be but i believe it will happen

swipe Auburn, Georgia, Florida, and Tennessee from the SEC...

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You don’t think losing those Northeast media markets would significantly hurt the ACC’s media deal? That seems extremely unlikely.
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Send them to the big east and give them a football only membership ?

Big east = 14

Acc = 12
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(08-03-2022 10:36 AM)bluesox Wrote:  Send them to the big east and give them a football only membership ?
Big east = 14
Acc = 12

The Big East would take Syracuse back. It would not take BC back.
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Joining the ACC might be the best thing that happened to Pitt athletics in my lifetime. I can't think of any reason they would do this.
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Pitt, Syracuse, and BC would not proactively leave the ACC because they stand to gain many millions in exit fees from their conf members, their conference has a TV network backed by ESPN, and even with the strong chance of top ACC teams getting poached in the future, there's still probably more upside potential to the ACC overall compared to the Big XII at this point.
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(08-03-2022 10:59 AM)ndlutz Wrote:  Joining the ACC might be the best thing that happened to Pitt athletics in my lifetime.

Certainly better than vacating (and demolishing) Pitt Stadium for life as an afterthought at Heinz Field
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