(10-04-2022 08:24 AM)OKIcat Wrote: So if UC stays healthy and progresses as we expect toward another CCG, who do you see as the opponent?
Gee... so many to choose from.
Yeah, this is a weird year in that there isn't a clear-cut second team...I think it's going to be a two conference loss team from the group of Tulsa, Tulane, SMU, UCF, or Memphis. I just don't see Houston righting the ship.
Tulsa QB Brin is playing hurt. Teams are going to tee off on him so I don't see them coming in the second spot. Dana has lost the Houston team. He talks a lot but his words mean little. Similar to Tommy T. They look like a 4-8 squad. I was high on ECU to begin the season but their QB is too inconsistent. IMO, it will come down to Tulane, UCF or Memphis as our chip opponent.
(10-05-2022 11:19 AM)doss2 Wrote: When we get the NY6 invite is it certain to be the Cotton Bowl?
Yep, unfortunately.
Fiesta and Peach are the CFP games
Rose Bowl is always Pac-12 and Big 10 (both champ or highest ranked non-champ
Orange Bowl is ACC and SEC/Big Ten
Sugar Bowl is Big 12 and SEC (both champ or highest ranked non-champ)
Cotton Bowl is At-Large vs. At-Large
Basically, unless something crazy happens, I would expect our opponent to be the loser of the Pac 12 Championship game or the 3rd team in the Big Ten should Ohio State end up in the CFP.
(This post was last modified: 10-05-2022 12:30 PM by BearcatMan.)
(10-05-2022 11:19 AM)doss2 Wrote: When we get the NY6 invite is it certain to be the Cotton Bowl?
Yep, unfortunately.
Fiesta and Peach are the CFP games
Rose Bowl is always Pac-12 and Big 10 (both champ or highest ranked non-champ
Orange Bowl is ACC and SEC/Big Ten
Sugar Bowl is Big 12 and SEC (both champ or highest ranked non-champ)
Cotton Bowl is At-Large vs. At-Large
Basically, unless something crazy happens, I would expect our opponent to be the loser of the Pac 12 Championship game or the 3rd team in the Big Ten should Ohio State end up in the CFP.
(10-05-2022 11:19 AM)doss2 Wrote: When we get the NY6 invite is it certain to be the Cotton Bowl?
Yep, unfortunately.
Fiesta and Peach are the CFP games
Rose Bowl is always Pac-12 and Big 10 (both champ or highest ranked non-champ
Orange Bowl is ACC and SEC/Big Ten
Sugar Bowl is Big 12 and SEC (both champ or highest ranked non-champ)
Cotton Bowl is At-Large vs. At-Large
Basically, unless something crazy happens, I would expect our opponent to be the loser of the Pac 12 Championship game or the 3rd team in the Big Ten should Ohio State end up in the CFP.
i would actually relish both of those matchups
The program could sure use a NY6 win, so yeah that would actually be good.
(10-05-2022 11:19 AM)doss2 Wrote: When we get the NY6 invite is it certain to be the Cotton Bowl?
Yep, unfortunately.
Fiesta and Peach are the CFP games
Rose Bowl is always Pac-12 and Big 10 (both champ or highest ranked non-champ
Orange Bowl is ACC and SEC/Big Ten
Sugar Bowl is Big 12 and SEC (both champ or highest ranked non-champ)
Cotton Bowl is At-Large vs. At-Large
Basically, unless something crazy happens, I would expect our opponent to be the loser of the Pac 12 Championship game or the 3rd team in the Big Ten should Ohio State end up in the CFP.
#3 in the B10 will either be OSU (doubtful, at worst they'll be #2), Michigan, Penn State or possibly Minnesota due to their favorable schedule in the B10 West.
#2 in the PAC12 will either be USC, UCLA, Oregon, Utah or Washington.
I like any of these matchups outside OSU which will likely not happen.
(10-05-2022 03:31 PM)eroc Wrote: Given Cincy's issues running the ball, i wonder if this would help given how much time Bryant spends in the gun.
The issue is Ben isn't in the gun by himself. Most times, UC is in the pistol formation so there's still the option to run or to fake the run. I guess you could argue under center you can hide the ball for a few ticks longer but you also have to make steps in your drop back, set your feet and throw. If you're in the gun, you already have some separation from the line of scrimmage and can fire the ball to a receiver a few ticks quicker. Do that many college offenses run a QB under center system? BMan would be a good source to give his opinion.
Anywho, I still think the run issue has more to do with our OLine technique than anything else. We have a new position coach there too. I noticed in the Tulsa game we had more called runs outside the tackles [in space] than previous games. That might be related to the former issue and there's just not been a consistent push or holes opening in the interior.
(10-05-2022 03:31 PM)eroc Wrote: Given Cincy's issues running the ball, i wonder if this would help given how much time Bryant spends in the gun.
The issue is Ben isn't in the gun by himself. Most times, UC is in the pistol formation so there's still the option to run or to fake the run. I guess you could argue under center you can hide the ball for a few ticks longer but you also have to make steps in your drop back, set your feet and throw. If you're in the gun, you already have some separation from the line of scrimmage and can fire the ball to a receiver a few ticks quicker. Do that many college offenses run a QB under center system? BMan would be a good source to give his opinion.
Anywho, I still think the run issue has more to do with our OLine technique than anything else. We have a new position coach there too. I noticed in the Tulsa game we had more called runs outside the tackles [in space] than previous games. That might be related to the former issue and there's just not been a consistent push or holes opening in the interior.
When you're in the pistol the QB is approximately 4(?) yards back and the RB is 7-8 (?) yards back from the line of scrimmage. Given that a lot of teams are already stacking their D against the run, and we are starting the play from so far back, i imagine it allows the D to get to runner more effectively when we are running out of the pistol. Honestly, i can see the argument that our pass game would be way better from under center if we ran play-action from under center since teams are still stacking against the run.
Now that I think about it, the Landry cowboys also used to stand their linemen up straight prior to getting into their stance to hide the movements of the backs.
The issue is the interior offensive line. They are supposed to be able to move laterally from the defensive line to linebackers to block at that second level in this offense. Our guys haven't been able to do it.
10-06-2022 07:58 AM
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(10-06-2022 07:37 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote: The inventor of the shotgun, the Tom Landry cowboys, only went to the shotgun as a head start on the drop back to pass.
They never intended it to be the basis for their offense.
I've never understood the logic of snapping the ball seven yards backwards on short yardage plays.
Completely agree...the shotgun is about the most anti-short yardage formation in its standard form out of all football formations used today. At least the pistol gives the back a running start, shotgun doesn't even do that.
UC used to bring in a big RB/QB for those types of short yardage plays - especially goal line plays. Maybe use one of the tight ends at QB where he gets the snap and runs?
(10-06-2022 07:37 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote: The inventor of the shotgun, the Tom Landry cowboys, only went to the shotgun as a head start on the drop back to pass.
They never intended it to be the basis for their offense.
I've never understood the logic of snapping the ball seven yards backwards on short yardage plays.
Completely agree...the shotgun is about the most anti-short yardage formation in its standard form out of all football formations used today. At least the pistol gives the back a running start, shotgun doesn't even do that.
Sometimes conventional wisdom isn't correct.
I have a theory on why this is. I think too many under center runs at the goal line are from power formations with no misdirection. On the goal line teams can really sell out when you are in power, especially if you don't have action moving the defense. Teams in shotgun are spread more often, and often use jet sweep action/other misdirection.
(10-06-2022 09:31 AM)bearcatmark Wrote: I have a theory on why this is. I think too many under center runs at the goal line are from power formations with no misdirection. On the goal line teams can really sell out when you are in power, especially if you don't have action moving the defense. Teams in shotgun are spread more often, and often use jet sweep action/other misdirection.
I think you're right. I wonder though if there's a difference in that if you're in shotgun it's potentially a read option type play where the QB has the option to pull the ball and flip it to a TE who may have slipped out or even just throw it away if the middle is stacked which turns an intended run into a pass play.
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