(08-09-2022 12:57 PM)Sicembear11 Wrote:  

(08-09-2022 09:21 AM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(08-09-2022 09:17 AM)Glenn360 Wrote:  Pac-12 expansion would have to be voted on and agreed to by the schools. The conference isn't going to add a school if they other members don't want them.

Why would a school leave the Pac-12 because of adding G5 schools, then turn around and join another conference that added 4 G5 schools?

Leave before anyone is added, preferably if the B1G wants them.

As for the Big 12, Those 4 G5 schools are all above the ones being mentioned as possible adds. They might all be dogs but theres differences in breeds.

I don't see much difference between Houston and SDSU. Both were market mitigation adds. At least Houston has some sort of pedigree and history with their old SWC rivals and some of the incoming AAC teams. The value of Houston is the Big 12 is primary market access in Houston. Big 12 games in Houston, every week. They might not add much by themselves, they don't carry the Houston market, but they do ensure the Big 12's presence in that market. There is value to the Big 12 in that.

SDSU could do the same for the PAC in SoCal and San Diego. Unfortunately, there are no LA teams that can be added to recoup LA presence for the PAC. SDSU is a good pick and fit, the real quibble becomes do they go to 12 and if so who?

San Diego St. was Division II when UH was playing UCLA in the Astrodome, Elvin Hayes vs. Lew Alcindor, on national TV.

(08-09-2022 12:57 PM)Sicembear11 Wrote:  

(08-09-2022 09:21 AM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(08-09-2022 09:17 AM)Glenn360 Wrote:  Pac-12 expansion would have to be voted on and agreed to by the schools. The conference isn't going to add a school if they other members don't want them.

Why would a school leave the Pac-12 because of adding G5 schools, then turn around and join another conference that added 4 G5 schools?

Leave before anyone is added, preferably if the B1G wants them.

As for the Big 12, Those 4 G5 schools are all above the ones being mentioned as possible adds. They might all be dogs but theres differences in breeds.

I don't see much difference between Houston and SDSU. Both were market mitigation adds. At least Houston has some sort of pedigree and history with their old SWC rivals and some of the incoming AAC teams. The value of Houston is the Big 12 is primary market access in Houston. Big 12 games in Houston, every week. They might not add much by themselves, they don't carry the Houston market, but they do ensure the Big 12's presence in that market. There is value to the Big 12 in that.

SDSU could do the same for the PAC in SoCal and San Diego. Unfortunately, there are no LA teams that can be added to recoup LA presence for the PAC. SDSU is a good pick and fit, the real quibble becomes do they go to 12 and if so who?

SDSU is a no brainer to me and definitely a similar add to UH but to be clear they're a lesser version of Houston.

(08-10-2022 03:05 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(08-09-2022 12:57 PM)Sicembear11 Wrote:  

(08-09-2022 09:21 AM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(08-09-2022 09:17 AM)Glenn360 Wrote:  Pac-12 expansion would have to be voted on and agreed to by the schools. The conference isn't going to add a school if they other members don't want them.

Why would a school leave the Pac-12 because of adding G5 schools, then turn around and join another conference that added 4 G5 schools?

Leave before anyone is added, preferably if the B1G wants them.

As for the Big 12, Those 4 G5 schools are all above the ones being mentioned as possible adds. They might all be dogs but theres differences in breeds.

I don't see much difference between Houston and SDSU. Both were market mitigation adds. At least Houston has some sort of pedigree and history with their old SWC rivals and some of the incoming AAC teams. The value of Houston is the Big 12 is primary market access in Houston. Big 12 games in Houston, every week. They might not add much by themselves, they don't carry the Houston market, but they do ensure the Big 12's presence in that market. There is value to the Big 12 in that.

SDSU could do the same for the PAC in SoCal and San Diego. Unfortunately, there are no LA teams that can be added to recoup LA presence for the PAC. SDSU is a good pick and fit, the real quibble becomes do they go to 12 and if so who?

SDSU is a no brainer to me and definitely a similar add to UH but to be clear they're a lesser version of Houston.

That is why the Big 12 needs to go after SDSU. Create a western division by adding Boise State, talk with Washington State who would most likely bolt as this would be their one time to stay P5 if the PAC folds. Plus Boise State is really close to them. Bring in Arizona. Add Air Force and with BYU would be a fairly strong western division. Then the Big 12 could look at having some late night games televised or streamed. The BIG 12 would become a mega conference.

(08-10-2022 03:11 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(08-10-2022 03:05 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(08-09-2022 12:57 PM)Sicembear11 Wrote:  

(08-09-2022 09:21 AM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(08-09-2022 09:17 AM)Glenn360 Wrote:  Pac-12 expansion would have to be voted on and agreed to by the schools. The conference isn't going to add a school if they other members don't want them.

Why would a school leave the Pac-12 because of adding G5 schools, then turn around and join another conference that added 4 G5 schools?

Leave before anyone is added, preferably if the B1G wants them.

As for the Big 12, Those 4 G5 schools are all above the ones being mentioned as possible adds. They might all be dogs but theres differences in breeds.

I don't see much difference between Houston and SDSU. Both were market mitigation adds. At least Houston has some sort of pedigree and history with their old SWC rivals and some of the incoming AAC teams. The value of Houston is the Big 12 is primary market access in Houston. Big 12 games in Houston, every week. They might not add much by themselves, they don't carry the Houston market, but they do ensure the Big 12's presence in that market. There is value to the Big 12 in that.

SDSU could do the same for the PAC in SoCal and San Diego. Unfortunately, there are no LA teams that can be added to recoup LA presence for the PAC. SDSU is a good pick and fit, the real quibble becomes do they go to 12 and if so who?

SDSU is a no brainer to me and definitely a similar add to UH but to be clear they're a lesser version of Houston.

That is why the Big 12 needs to go after SDSU. Create a western division by adding Boise State, talk with Washington State who would most likely bolt as this would be their one time to stay P5 if the PAC folds. Plus Boise State is really close to them. Bring in Arizona. Add Air Force and with BYU would be a fairly strong western division. Then the Big 12 could look at having some late night games televised or streamed. The BIG 12 would become a mega conference.

SDSU is more additive to the Pac than the Big 12. I think the Big 12 just needs to continue to wait on the Arizona schools.

(08-09-2022 08:51 AM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(08-09-2022 06:50 AM)Big Foote Wrote:  

(08-09-2022 12:20 AM)Alanda Wrote:  

completely agree that this is not just about revenue per team; in the short run survival of the PAC12 is at stake. That is why I suggest adding 4 teams to stabilize the conference - similiar to what Big 12 did last year.

If Im Oregon, Washington or a handful of the others Id leave before stooping down to adding SD St or Boise.

The big 12 added Cinn, Houston, UCF and BYU and it has probably saved the conference and put them in better position than the PAC12!

(08-10-2022 03:15 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(08-10-2022 03:11 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(08-10-2022 03:05 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(08-09-2022 12:57 PM)Sicembear11 Wrote:  

(08-09-2022 09:21 AM)PicksUp Wrote:  Leave before anyone is added, preferably if the B1G wants them.

As for the Big 12, Those 4 G5 schools are all above the ones being mentioned as possible adds. They might all be dogs but theres differences in breeds.

I don't see much difference between Houston and SDSU. Both were market mitigation adds. At least Houston has some sort of pedigree and history with their old SWC rivals and some of the incoming AAC teams. The value of Houston is the Big 12 is primary market access in Houston. Big 12 games in Houston, every week. They might not add much by themselves, they don't carry the Houston market, but they do ensure the Big 12's presence in that market. There is value to the Big 12 in that.

SDSU could do the same for the PAC in SoCal and San Diego. Unfortunately, there are no LA teams that can be added to recoup LA presence for the PAC. SDSU is a good pick and fit, the real quibble becomes do they go to 12 and if so who?

SDSU is a no brainer to me and definitely a similar add to UH but to be clear they're a lesser version of Houston.

That is why the Big 12 needs to go after SDSU. Create a western division by adding Boise State, talk with Washington State who would most likely bolt as this would be their one time to stay P5 if the PAC folds. Plus Boise State is really close to them. Bring in Arizona. Add Air Force and with BYU would be a fairly strong western division. Then the Big 12 could look at having some late night games televised or streamed. The BIG 12 would become a mega conference.

SDSU is more additive to the Pac than the Big 12. I think the Big 12 just needs to continue to wait on the Arizona schools.

This. The value of SDSU in the PAC is not the same value of SDSU in the Big 12. SDSU, supported by a western division, however might be worth something. I'm imagining some scenario where the western schools insist on SoCal access. SDSU as part of a division with Arizona/Arizona State/Utah/BYU could work. Having a conference footprint presence in CA/TX/FL (combined with OH/AZ/UT and IA/KS/WV/OK) is certainly an attractive position to take the media bargaining table.

I just wouldn't want to add SDSU before any potential PAC teams. If no one comes, then you are stuck with an awkward fit that doesn't have much in common with the remaining Big 12 schools outside of BYU. I imagine that their fans would be more excited over games against Nevada and BSU than they would be by ISU/KState. SDSU can be an attractive option, but they need stronger regional ties to realize their value in the Big 12.

The PAC, however, already has a lot of regional and historic crossover with SDSU. For the Aztec's, that is a much better fit all around even if that conference crumbles in the future.

(08-12-2022 12:59 PM)Sicembear11 Wrote:  

(08-10-2022 03:15 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(08-10-2022 03:11 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(08-10-2022 03:05 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(08-09-2022 12:57 PM)Sicembear11 Wrote:  I don't see much difference between Houston and SDSU. Both were market mitigation adds. At least Houston has some sort of pedigree and history with their old SWC rivals and some of the incoming AAC teams. The value of Houston is the Big 12 is primary market access in Houston. Big 12 games in Houston, every week. They might not add much by themselves, they don't carry the Houston market, but they do ensure the Big 12's presence in that market. There is value to the Big 12 in that.

SDSU could do the same for the PAC in SoCal and San Diego. Unfortunately, there are no LA teams that can be added to recoup LA presence for the PAC. SDSU is a good pick and fit, the real quibble becomes do they go to 12 and if so who?

SDSU is a no brainer to me and definitely a similar add to UH but to be clear they're a lesser version of Houston.

That is why the Big 12 needs to go after SDSU. Create a western division by adding Boise State, talk with Washington State who would most likely bolt as this would be their one time to stay P5 if the PAC folds. Plus Boise State is really close to them. Bring in Arizona. Add Air Force and with BYU would be a fairly strong western division. Then the Big 12 could look at having some late night games televised or streamed. The BIG 12 would become a mega conference.

SDSU is more additive to the Pac than the Big 12. I think the Big 12 just needs to continue to wait on the Arizona schools.

This. The value of SDSU in the PAC is not the same value of SDSU in the Big 12. SDSU, supported by a western division, however might be worth something. I'm imagining some scenario where the western schools insist on SoCal access. SDSU as part of a division with Arizona/Arizona State/Utah/BYU could work. Having a conference footprint presence in CA/TX/FL (combined with OH/AZ/UT and IA/KS/WV/OK) is certainly an attractive position to take the media bargaining table.

I just wouldn't want to add SDSU before any potential PAC teams. If no one comes, then you are stuck with an awkward fit that doesn't have much in common with the remaining Big 12 schools outside of BYU. I imagine that their fans would be more excited over games against Nevada and BSU than they would be by ISU/KState. SDSU can be an attractive option, but they need stronger regional ties to realize their value in the Big 12.

The PAC, however, already has a lot of regional and historic crossover with SDSU. For the Aztec's, that is a much better fit all around even if that conference crumbles in the future.

I agree. SDSU by itself to the Big 12 wouldn't be a great fit. But, San Diego State + Arizona would be a great move for both the Big 12 and SDSU.

BYU-Arizona-SDSU
WVU-Cincinnati-UCF
Iowa State-Kansas-Kansas State-Oklahoma State
Texas Tech-Baylor-TCU-Houston

(08-12-2022 01:27 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(08-12-2022 12:59 PM)Sicembear11 Wrote:  

(08-10-2022 03:15 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(08-10-2022 03:11 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(08-10-2022 03:05 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  SDSU is a no brainer to me and definitely a similar add to UH but to be clear they're a lesser version of Houston.

That is why the Big 12 needs to go after SDSU. Create a western division by adding Boise State, talk with Washington State who would most likely bolt as this would be their one time to stay P5 if the PAC folds. Plus Boise State is really close to them. Bring in Arizona. Add Air Force and with BYU would be a fairly strong western division. Then the Big 12 could look at having some late night games televised or streamed. The BIG 12 would become a mega conference.

SDSU is more additive to the Pac than the Big 12. I think the Big 12 just needs to continue to wait on the Arizona schools.

This. The value of SDSU in the PAC is not the same value of SDSU in the Big 12. SDSU, supported by a western division, however might be worth something. I'm imagining some scenario where the western schools insist on SoCal access. SDSU as part of a division with Arizona/Arizona State/Utah/BYU could work. Having a conference footprint presence in CA/TX/FL (combined with OH/AZ/UT and IA/KS/WV/OK) is certainly an attractive position to take the media bargaining table.

I just wouldn't want to add SDSU before any potential PAC teams. If no one comes, then you are stuck with an awkward fit that doesn't have much in common with the remaining Big 12 schools outside of BYU. I imagine that their fans would be more excited over games against Nevada and BSU than they would be by ISU/KState. SDSU can be an attractive option, but they need stronger regional ties to realize their value in the Big 12.

The PAC, however, already has a lot of regional and historic crossover with SDSU. For the Aztec's, that is a much better fit all around even if that conference crumbles in the future.

I agree. SDSU by itself to the Big 12 wouldn't be a great fit. But, San Diego State + Arizona would be a great move for both the Big 12 and SDSU.

BYU-Arizona-SDSU
WVU-Cincinnati-UCF
Iowa State-Kansas-Kansas State-Oklahoma State
Texas Tech-Baylor-TCU-Houston

The key to saving the PAC 12 is adding at least 4 teams - the best 4 you can get!

(08-21-2022 07:36 PM)Big Foote Wrote:  

(08-12-2022 01:27 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(08-12-2022 12:59 PM)Sicembear11 Wrote:  

(08-10-2022 03:15 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(08-10-2022 03:11 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  That is why the Big 12 needs to go after SDSU. Create a western division by adding Boise State, talk with Washington State who would most likely bolt as this would be their one time to stay P5 if the PAC folds. Plus Boise State is really close to them. Bring in Arizona. Add Air Force and with BYU would be a fairly strong western division. Then the Big 12 could look at having some late night games televised or streamed. The BIG 12 would become a mega conference.

SDSU is more additive to the Pac than the Big 12. I think the Big 12 just needs to continue to wait on the Arizona schools.

This. The value of SDSU in the PAC is not the same value of SDSU in the Big 12. SDSU, supported by a western division, however might be worth something. I'm imagining some scenario where the western schools insist on SoCal access. SDSU as part of a division with Arizona/Arizona State/Utah/BYU could work. Having a conference footprint presence in CA/TX/FL (combined with OH/AZ/UT and IA/KS/WV/OK) is certainly an attractive position to take the media bargaining table.

I just wouldn't want to add SDSU before any potential PAC teams. If no one comes, then you are stuck with an awkward fit that doesn't have much in common with the remaining Big 12 schools outside of BYU. I imagine that their fans would be more excited over games against Nevada and BSU than they would be by ISU/KState. SDSU can be an attractive option, but they need stronger regional ties to realize their value in the Big 12.

The PAC, however, already has a lot of regional and historic crossover with SDSU. For the Aztec's, that is a much better fit all around even if that conference crumbles in the future.

I agree. SDSU by itself to the Big 12 wouldn't be a great fit. But, San Diego State + Arizona would be a great move for both the Big 12 and SDSU.

BYU-Arizona-SDSU
WVU-Cincinnati-UCF
Iowa State-Kansas-Kansas State-Oklahoma State
Texas Tech-Baylor-TCU-Houston

The key to saving the PAC 12 is adding at least 4 teams - the best 4 you can get!

That wont matter if the B1G comes calling. Everyone left now would accept an invite. If 3-4 teams leave then the rest might listen to the Big 12.

(08-21-2022 07:57 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(08-21-2022 07:36 PM)Big Foote Wrote:  

(08-12-2022 01:27 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(08-12-2022 12:59 PM)Sicembear11 Wrote:  

(08-10-2022 03:15 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  SDSU is more additive to the Pac than the Big 12. I think the Big 12 just needs to continue to wait on the Arizona schools.

This. The value of SDSU in the PAC is not the same value of SDSU in the Big 12. SDSU, supported by a western division, however might be worth something. I'm imagining some scenario where the western schools insist on SoCal access. SDSU as part of a division with Arizona/Arizona State/Utah/BYU could work. Having a conference footprint presence in CA/TX/FL (combined with OH/AZ/UT and IA/KS/WV/OK) is certainly an attractive position to take the media bargaining table.

I just wouldn't want to add SDSU before any potential PAC teams. If no one comes, then you are stuck with an awkward fit that doesn't have much in common with the remaining Big 12 schools outside of BYU. I imagine that their fans would be more excited over games against Nevada and BSU than they would be by ISU/KState. SDSU can be an attractive option, but they need stronger regional ties to realize their value in the Big 12.

The PAC, however, already has a lot of regional and historic crossover with SDSU. For the Aztec's, that is a much better fit all around even if that conference crumbles in the future.

I agree. SDSU by itself to the Big 12 wouldn't be a great fit. But, San Diego State + Arizona would be a great move for both the Big 12 and SDSU.

BYU-Arizona-SDSU
WVU-Cincinnati-UCF
Iowa State-Kansas-Kansas State-Oklahoma State
Texas Tech-Baylor-TCU-Houston

The key to saving the PAC 12 is adding at least 4 teams - the best 4 you can get!

That wont matter if the B1G comes calling. Everyone left now would accept an invite. If 3-4 teams leave then the rest might listen to the Big 12.

He's hoping that if there are 4 invites, one of them is SMU. He might not be wrong, but I struggle to see how the PAC can bring in anyone other than SDSU without cutting into their already weak Network deal.

(08-21-2022 07:57 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(08-21-2022 07:36 PM)Big Foote Wrote:  

(08-12-2022 01:27 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(08-12-2022 12:59 PM)Sicembear11 Wrote:  

(08-10-2022 03:15 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  SDSU is more additive to the Pac than the Big 12. I think the Big 12 just needs to continue to wait on the Arizona schools.

This. The value of SDSU in the PAC is not the same value of SDSU in the Big 12. SDSU, supported by a western division, however might be worth something. I'm imagining some scenario where the western schools insist on SoCal access. SDSU as part of a division with Arizona/Arizona State/Utah/BYU could work. Having a conference footprint presence in CA/TX/FL (combined with OH/AZ/UT and IA/KS/WV/OK) is certainly an attractive position to take the media bargaining table.

I just wouldn't want to add SDSU before any potential PAC teams. If no one comes, then you are stuck with an awkward fit that doesn't have much in common with the remaining Big 12 schools outside of BYU. I imagine that their fans would be more excited over games against Nevada and BSU than they would be by ISU/KState. SDSU can be an attractive option, but they need stronger regional ties to realize their value in the Big 12.

The PAC, however, already has a lot of regional and historic crossover with SDSU. For the Aztec's, that is a much better fit all around even if that conference crumbles in the future.

I agree. SDSU by itself to the Big 12 wouldn't be a great fit. But, San Diego State + Arizona would be a great move for both the Big 12 and SDSU.

BYU-Arizona-SDSU
WVU-Cincinnati-UCF
Iowa State-Kansas-Kansas State-Oklahoma State
Texas Tech-Baylor-TCU-Houston

The key to saving the PAC 12 is adding at least 4 teams - the best 4 you can get!

That wont matter if the B1G comes calling. Everyone left now would accept an invite. If 3-4 teams leave then the rest might listen to the Big 12.

That is correct, if the bIG decides to take 4 more teams from the Pac then they are in real trouble. Even if that were to happen you are better off trying to salvage the congerence if you had already added 4 teams.

If the PAC is raiding Texas, TCU makes more sense for them, as well as Houston.

(08-22-2022 09:45 AM)jgkojak Wrote:  If the PAC is raiding Texas, TCU makes more sense for them, as well as Houston.

TCU has an $80M albatross of an exit fee hanging on their necks. Houston and SMU would be the only plausible moves for the PAC.

I don't think Houston is interested. SMU would jump yesterday.

(08-09-2022 08:57 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-09-2022 08:51 AM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(08-09-2022 06:50 AM)Big Foote Wrote:  

(08-09-2022 12:20 AM)Alanda Wrote:  

completely agree that this is not just about revenue per team; in the short run survival of the PAC12 is at stake. That is why I suggest adding 4 teams to stabilize the conference - similiar to what Big 12 did last year.

If Im Oregon, Washington or a handful of the others Id leave before stooping down to adding SD St or Boise.

That's why I think the PAC stays pat.

The PAC has an IMO fundamentally different culture from the Big 12. The Big 12 was always a hot wings and barbecue sauce conference. Inviting low-value G5 to backfill for TX and OU made sense for them, because their standards were "inclusive" to begin with.

But the PAC has a high-end, hoity-toity view of itself. Most importantly, the most valuable remaining schools have an elite view of themselves. If the PAC invites schools like SDSU, Boise, and Colorado State, IMO that makes it more likely that the schools that can bolt will bolt.

Actually, the Big 12 never expanded back to 12 for years because the possible adds were believed to not have value. (Other than possibly BYU, which always had scheduling issues.)

(08-21-2022 07:57 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(08-21-2022 07:36 PM)Big Foote Wrote:  

(08-12-2022 01:27 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(08-12-2022 12:59 PM)Sicembear11 Wrote:  

(08-10-2022 03:15 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  SDSU is more additive to the Pac than the Big 12. I think the Big 12 just needs to continue to wait on the Arizona schools.

This. The value of SDSU in the PAC is not the same value of SDSU in the Big 12. SDSU, supported by a western division, however might be worth something. I'm imagining some scenario where the western schools insist on SoCal access. SDSU as part of a division with Arizona/Arizona State/Utah/BYU could work. Having a conference footprint presence in CA/TX/FL (combined with OH/AZ/UT and IA/KS/WV/OK) is certainly an attractive position to take the media bargaining table.

I just wouldn't want to add SDSU before any potential PAC teams. If no one comes, then you are stuck with an awkward fit that doesn't have much in common with the remaining Big 12 schools outside of BYU. I imagine that their fans would be more excited over games against Nevada and BSU than they would be by ISU/KState. SDSU can be an attractive option, but they need stronger regional ties to realize their value in the Big 12.

The PAC, however, already has a lot of regional and historic crossover with SDSU. For the Aztec's, that is a much better fit all around even if that conference crumbles in the future.

I agree. SDSU by itself to the Big 12 wouldn't be a great fit. But, San Diego State + Arizona would be a great move for both the Big 12 and SDSU.

BYU-Arizona-SDSU
WVU-Cincinnati-UCF
Iowa State-Kansas-Kansas State-Oklahoma State
Texas Tech-Baylor-TCU-Houston

The key to saving the PAC 12 is adding at least 4 teams - the best 4 you can get!

That wont matter if the B1G comes calling. Everyone left now would accept an invite. If 3-4 teams leave then the rest might listen to the Big 12.

Sure, but if the Big Ten comes and takes 4 teams then there are still 6 programs left behind that need to play somewhere. Better to be proactive if you're Oregon St, Utah, Washington St, etc.

(08-12-2022 12:59 PM)Sicembear11 Wrote:  

(08-10-2022 03:15 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(08-10-2022 03:11 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(08-10-2022 03:05 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(08-09-2022 12:57 PM)Sicembear11 Wrote:  I don't see much difference between Houston and SDSU. Both were market mitigation adds. At least Houston has some sort of pedigree and history with their old SWC rivals and some of the incoming AAC teams. The value of Houston is the Big 12 is primary market access in Houston. Big 12 games in Houston, every week. They might not add much by themselves, they don't carry the Houston market, but they do ensure the Big 12's presence in that market. There is value to the Big 12 in that.

SDSU could do the same for the PAC in SoCal and San Diego. Unfortunately, there are no LA teams that can be added to recoup LA presence for the PAC. SDSU is a good pick and fit, the real quibble becomes do they go to 12 and if so who?

SDSU is a no brainer to me and definitely a similar add to UH but to be clear they're a lesser version of Houston.

That is why the Big 12 needs to go after SDSU. Create a western division by adding Boise State, talk with Washington State who would most likely bolt as this would be their one time to stay P5 if the PAC folds. Plus Boise State is really close to them. Bring in Arizona. Add Air Force and with BYU would be a fairly strong western division. Then the Big 12 could look at having some late night games televised or streamed. The BIG 12 would become a mega conference.

SDSU is more additive to the Pac than the Big 12. I think the Big 12 just needs to continue to wait on the Arizona schools.

This. The value of SDSU in the PAC is not the same value of SDSU in the Big 12. SDSU, supported by a western division, however might be worth something. I'm imagining some scenario where the western schools insist on SoCal access. SDSU as part of a division with Arizona/Arizona State/Utah/BYU could work. Having a conference footprint presence in CA/TX/FL (combined with OH/AZ/UT and IA/KS/WV/OK) is certainly an attractive position to take the media bargaining table.

I just wouldn't want to add SDSU before any potential PAC teams. If no one comes, then you are stuck with an awkward fit that doesn't have much in common with the remaining Big 12 schools outside of BYU. I imagine that their fans would be more excited over games against Nevada and BSU than they would be by ISU/KState. SDSU can be an attractive option, but they need stronger regional ties to realize their value in the Big 12.

The PAC, however, already has a lot of regional and historic crossover with SDSU. For the Aztec's, that is a much better fit all around even if that conference crumbles in the future.

I don't think SDSU would want to go to the BIG12 unless a couple more Western teams come with them. The Zona schools would be our first choice. Utah would be one as well. We have some history with Utah and BYU going back to the original WAC.