(08-21-2022 10:34 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  This implies $380M needed by the Pac 10 (plus $35M more per expansion school) to stick together. Will they get it?

https://twitter.com/jasonscheer/status/1...5386983424

These public valuations are being used differently:
1) By Kliavkoff to help set expectations in negotiating a new PAC media deal
2) By the Pacific Northwest schools to determine potential buy-in provisions with the B1G
3) By the 4 corners schools in considering whether to bolt to the nB12

In all three scenarios, the interested parties have a bias towards the highest possible valuations.

(08-21-2022 02:18 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  The problem is that these stupid people in the media thinks quantity gets you viewers instead of quality tells you why viewership and attendance are going down. USC and UCLA are worth a lot less because their product have sucked for the past decade. Same with the Big 10 besides Ohio State and SEC besides Alabama. They think Miami Florida is worth more than Oregon, but when you see their games on tv with less than a half full stadium and viewership been down below 600 K at times? Somebody is cooking their books to make them look good. Oklahoma State is one of the best teams in the country, and they get crap on.

How much is Arkansas Tech worth?

(08-21-2022 03:40 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-21-2022 02:01 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  To the extent that makes any sense, it's limited to Texas (and Oklahoma). Nobody east of the Sabine river would regard Big 12 games as any kind of substitute for SEC games. In Texas and Oklahoma, the Big 12 looks like a bunch of old Big 12 and SWC teams, a plausible mostly-power conference. East of Texas in SEC country, the Big 12 looks like a bunch of left-behinds and call-ups, small time, halfway to G5 status, trying to work the metaphorical glue from the P6 stickers off their helmets.

CBS or NBC might offer timeslots to the PAC or Big 12, but for less money than ESPN (or Fox / FS1, who does need to fill some timeslots)

I would say that west of the Sabine river, not many regard the nB12 as any kind of substitute for the SEC either.

Plus just geographically, the great bulk of nB12 schools aren't southern and imo would not engage southern football fans.

It is not often that I read a reference to the Sabine River on this board or any board. I did some fishing in that river in my younger days. I think east or west of the Sabine is SEC country these days, or will be once Texas joins the SEC. ESPN has Southern football (SEC & ACC) and that is not going to change in the next decade. Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech and Houston are not on the same level with the SEC and some of the better southern schools in the ACC (Clemson, FSU, Miami, North Carolina). When college football fans want to see the best of Southern football, ESPN will be the choice.

I think NBC and CBS are probably done with college football now that they have the Big Ten. CBS has that 3:30 EST hour locked up and NBC will have the 7:30 EST hour. The only thing that might interest CBS is a streaming deal with the Big 12. The problem for both CBS and NBC is that both are spending $2 billion each annually to cover NFL football, so both will have limited interest and limited money to spend on the Big 12 or the PAC. I do think FOX and ESPN will have interest in the Big 12.

(08-22-2022 01:03 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(08-21-2022 03:40 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-21-2022 02:01 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  To the extent that makes any sense, it's limited to Texas (and Oklahoma). Nobody east of the Sabine river would regard Big 12 games as any kind of substitute for SEC games. In Texas and Oklahoma, the Big 12 looks like a bunch of old Big 12 and SWC teams, a plausible mostly-power conference. East of Texas in SEC country, the Big 12 looks like a bunch of left-behinds and call-ups, small time, halfway to G5 status, trying to work the metaphorical glue from the P6 stickers off their helmets.

CBS or NBC might offer timeslots to the PAC or Big 12, but for less money than ESPN (or Fox / FS1, who does need to fill some timeslots)

I would say that west of the Sabine river, not many regard the nB12 as any kind of substitute for the SEC either.

Plus just geographically, the great bulk of nB12 schools aren't southern and imo would not engage southern football fans.

It is not often that I read a reference to the Sabine River on this board or any board. I did some fishing in that river in my younger days. I think east or west of the Sabine is SEC country these days, or will be once Texas joins the SEC. ESPN has Southern football (SEC & ACC) and that is not going to change in the next decade. Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech and Houston are not on the same level with the SEC and some of the better southern schools in the ACC (Clemson, FSU, Miami, North Carolina). When college football fans want to see the best of Southern football, ESPN will be the choice.

I think NBC and CBS are probably done with college football now that they have the Big Ten. CBS has that 3:30 EST hour locked up and NBC will have the 7:30 EST hour. The only thing that might interest CBS is a streaming deal with the Big 12. The problem for both CBS and NBC is that both are spending $2 billion each annually to cover NFL football, so both will have limited interest and limited money to spend on the Big 12 or the PAC. I do think FOX and ESPN will have interest in the Big 12.

NBC is planning on Notre Dame. Not clear what CBS is planning. They may want a lead-in to their Big 10 games or may treat it just like they did the SEC.

(08-22-2022 01:21 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 01:03 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(08-21-2022 03:40 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-21-2022 02:01 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  To the extent that makes any sense, it's limited to Texas (and Oklahoma). Nobody east of the Sabine river would regard Big 12 games as any kind of substitute for SEC games. In Texas and Oklahoma, the Big 12 looks like a bunch of old Big 12 and SWC teams, a plausible mostly-power conference. East of Texas in SEC country, the Big 12 looks like a bunch of left-behinds and call-ups, small time, halfway to G5 status, trying to work the metaphorical glue from the P6 stickers off their helmets.

CBS or NBC might offer timeslots to the PAC or Big 12, but for less money than ESPN (or Fox / FS1, who does need to fill some timeslots)

I would say that west of the Sabine river, not many regard the nB12 as any kind of substitute for the SEC either.

Plus just geographically, the great bulk of nB12 schools aren't southern and imo would not engage southern football fans.

It is not often that I read a reference to the Sabine River on this board or any board. I did some fishing in that river in my younger days. I think east or west of the Sabine is SEC country these days, or will be once Texas joins the SEC. ESPN has Southern football (SEC & ACC) and that is not going to change in the next decade. Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech and Houston are not on the same level with the SEC and some of the better southern schools in the ACC (Clemson, FSU, Miami, North Carolina). When college football fans want to see the best of Southern football, ESPN will be the choice.

I think NBC and CBS are probably done with college football now that they have the Big Ten. CBS has that 3:30 EST hour locked up and NBC will have the 7:30 EST hour. The only thing that might interest CBS is a streaming deal with the Big 12. The problem for both CBS and NBC is that both are spending $2 billion each annually to cover NFL football, so both will have limited interest and limited money to spend on the Big 12 or the PAC. I do think FOX and ESPN will have interest in the Big 12.

NBC is planning on Notre Dame. Not clear what CBS is planning. They may want a lead-in to their Big 10 games or may treat it just like they did the SEC.

CBS will compete with the SEC Game of the Week on ABC head-to-head. Good luck with that!

(08-22-2022 02:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 01:21 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 01:03 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(08-21-2022 03:40 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-21-2022 02:01 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  To the extent that makes any sense, it's limited to Texas (and Oklahoma). Nobody east of the Sabine river would regard Big 12 games as any kind of substitute for SEC games. In Texas and Oklahoma, the Big 12 looks like a bunch of old Big 12 and SWC teams, a plausible mostly-power conference. East of Texas in SEC country, the Big 12 looks like a bunch of left-behinds and call-ups, small time, halfway to G5 status, trying to work the metaphorical glue from the P6 stickers off their helmets.

CBS or NBC might offer timeslots to the PAC or Big 12, but for less money than ESPN (or Fox / FS1, who does need to fill some timeslots)

I would say that west of the Sabine river, not many regard the nB12 as any kind of substitute for the SEC either.

Plus just geographically, the great bulk of nB12 schools aren't southern and imo would not engage southern football fans.

It is not often that I read a reference to the Sabine River on this board or any board. I did some fishing in that river in my younger days. I think east or west of the Sabine is SEC country these days, or will be once Texas joins the SEC. ESPN has Southern football (SEC & ACC) and that is not going to change in the next decade. Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech and Houston are not on the same level with the SEC and some of the better southern schools in the ACC (Clemson, FSU, Miami, North Carolina). When college football fans want to see the best of Southern football, ESPN will be the choice.

I think NBC and CBS are probably done with college football now that they have the Big Ten. CBS has that 3:30 EST hour locked up and NBC will have the 7:30 EST hour. The only thing that might interest CBS is a streaming deal with the Big 12. The problem for both CBS and NBC is that both are spending $2 billion each annually to cover NFL football, so both will have limited interest and limited money to spend on the Big 12 or the PAC. I do think FOX and ESPN will have interest in the Big 12.

NBC is planning on Notre Dame. Not clear what CBS is planning. They may want a lead-in to their Big 10 games or may treat it just like they did the SEC.

CBS will compete with the SEC Game of the Week on ABC head-to-head. Good luck with that!

Fox has been running games in that timeslot, mostly Big Ten, some Big 12, maybe a PAC-12 game. It's not really new.

(08-22-2022 02:17 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 02:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 01:21 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 01:03 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(08-21-2022 03:40 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  I would say that west of the Sabine river, not many regard the nB12 as any kind of substitute for the SEC either.

Plus just geographically, the great bulk of nB12 schools aren't southern and imo would not engage southern football fans.

It is not often that I read a reference to the Sabine River on this board or any board. I did some fishing in that river in my younger days. I think east or west of the Sabine is SEC country these days, or will be once Texas joins the SEC. ESPN has Southern football (SEC & ACC) and that is not going to change in the next decade. Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech and Houston are not on the same level with the SEC and some of the better southern schools in the ACC (Clemson, FSU, Miami, North Carolina). When college football fans want to see the best of Southern football, ESPN will be the choice.

I think NBC and CBS are probably done with college football now that they have the Big Ten. CBS has that 3:30 EST hour locked up and NBC will have the 7:30 EST hour. The only thing that might interest CBS is a streaming deal with the Big 12. The problem for both CBS and NBC is that both are spending $2 billion each annually to cover NFL football, so both will have limited interest and limited money to spend on the Big 12 or the PAC. I do think FOX and ESPN will have interest in the Big 12.

NBC is planning on Notre Dame. Not clear what CBS is planning. They may want a lead-in to their Big 10 games or may treat it just like they did the SEC.

CBS will compete with the SEC Game of the Week on ABC head-to-head. Good luck with that!

Fox has been running games in that timeslot, mostly Big Ten, some Big 12, maybe a PAC-12 game. It's not really new.

Not having the SEC to do it with is very new for CBS!

(08-21-2022 10:34 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  This implies $380M needed by the Pac 10 (plus $35M more per expansion school) to stick together. Will they get it?

https://twitter.com/jasonscheer/status/1...5386983424

That's just posturing. If any NW schools get B1G invite they're gone regardless of the Pac deal on offer, and if they don't then they'll probably settle for $30m/yr just as soon as they would $35m/yr. Only fly in the ointment is if the nbig12 evaluations really are significantly higher than Pac as Navigate seems to think, in which case the Pac is screwed no matter what happens.