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Nothing to see here; just a boy and his fragile ego.

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Even after being voted out of office - he continues to be the worst president we have ever had.

When money means more than your country and the pain that others endure, something is incredibly wrong.

It's not the same seal, it's a variation. No trademark/copyright violations and no laws are being broken.

That being said, shouldn't the same criticism go towards Obama and Bush who are also using a version of the Presidential seal?

I wished Trump was doing WMU "Branding" as he is very good at this.

(08-01-2022 10:07 AM)Brownandgoldlaker Wrote:  It's not the same seal, it's a variation.

Just like Vanilla Ice didn't rip off Queen and David Bowie...

The real story is not the seal. It's Trump's endorsement of the Saudi's murderous regime and his questioning 9/11. He is so incredibly pathetic.

(08-01-2022 01:43 PM)broncofan1 Wrote:  The real story is not the seal. It's Trump's endorsement of the Saudi's murderous regime and his questioning 9/11. He is so incredibly pathetic.

And when he was banning immigrants from Muslim countries because "they're terrorists", pretty sure he left out Saudi Arabia.

(08-01-2022 01:43 PM)broncofan1 Wrote:  The real story is not the seal. It's Trump's endorsement of the Saudi's murderous regime and his questioning 9/11. He is so incredibly pathetic.

So Bush and Obama just get another pass while Trump is now criticized?

The 911 commission "found no evidence the Saudi government or senior Saudi officials individually funded the organization" to conspire in the attacks, or that it funded the attackers.

Obama and his administration defended the Saudis against accusations of their knowledge of the 9/11 plot, refusing to declassify a Senate report on the allegations. Obama also vetoed a bill that would have allowed family members of 9/11 victims to sue Saudi Arabia.

And what did Bush do, besides take out the Saudi's two chief rivals in the region?

IN 2019, Under oath Trump Attorney General William Barr personally invoked the law’s state secrets privilege to keep records about Operation Encore away from public view.

It wasn't until 2021 when Operation Encore report was declassified indicating the actual involvement of some Saudi officials.

(08-01-2022 04:13 PM)Brownandgoldlaker Wrote:  

(08-01-2022 01:43 PM)broncofan1 Wrote:  The real story is not the seal. It's Trump's endorsement of the Saudi's murderous regime and his questioning 9/11. He is so incredibly pathetic.

So Bush and Obama just get another pass while Trump is now criticized?

Obama and his administration defended the Saudis against accusations of their knowledge of the 9/11 plot, refusing to declassify a Senate report on the allegations. Obama also vetoed a bill that would have allowed family members of 9/11 victims to sue Saudi Arabia.

And what did Bush do, besides take out the Saudi's two chief rivals in the region?

The 911 commission "found no evidence the Saudi government or senior Saudi officials individually funded the organization" to conspire in the attacks, or that it funded the attackers. It wasn't until 2021 when Operation Encore report was submitted indicating the actual involvement of some Saudi officials.

Did Bush or Obama just have a golf tournament funded by the Saudis that I missed?

Nobody has taken more money from the Saudis than the Clintons. Saudi Arabia is our ally and one of our biggest trading partners. #1 in foreign military sales. I don't see what the fuss is all about.

Biden said he was going to make them a pariah. He lied, it's business as usual. Nothing is changing.

Kushner got a $2 Billion deal from the Saudi's, which pretty much dwarfs anyone else.

(08-01-2022 07:32 PM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  Nobody has taken more money from the Saudis than the Clintons. Saudi Arabia is our ally and one of our biggest trading partners. #1 in foreign military sales. I don't see what the fuss is all about.

Biden said he was going to make them a pariah. He lied, it's business as usual. Nothing is changing.

Wow, did you get your degree in Whataboutism as well? You are board's leader in whatabout.

I just can't get that worked up about the Saudis running a golf league while being ********. The PGA in particular and lots of sports and many other groups kiss Chinese PRC ass while they slaughter Uyghurs in camps. If you're following sports or entertainment, odds are you're eating crap. It's just a question of how much you're willing to put up with

(08-01-2022 01:43 PM)broncofan1 Wrote:  The real story is not the seal. It's Trump's endorsement of the Saudi's murderous regime. He is so incredibly pathetic.

So does the same criticism go towards the Woman's PGA and their venue site hosts seeing that ARAMCO is/has been the largest sponsor of women's golf for years? Did we see any protesters at any of the ARAMCO Team Series?

How about the Detroit Automakers profiting from all the exports to Saudi Arabia? Only 10 billion there, nothing to look at.

What about the US Defense contractors who have made Saudi Arabia the US #1 Military Importer? Boeing, Lockheed Martin, General Dynamics, Raytheon to name a few, combined for well over 100 billion in sales to the Saudi's.

And what about all those people/companies who invested over 26 Billion in ARAMCO's IPO? Will they be put under the microscope because of their association with the Saudi's?

And I'm sure everyone has stopped buying coffee at Starbucks because of their 160 stores in Saudi Arabia, or stopped eating Domino Pizzas, don't take an Uber or watch any movies at a AMC Theater.

Seeing a trend here: Trump association with Saudi's bad, let's protest, put Trump under the media spotlight, social media bashing, etc. But anyone else associated with Saudi's just gets a pass.