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RE: We need to go ahead and call the Mountain West
(08-04-2022 07:52 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(08-04-2022 06:51 PM)dcg141 Wrote:  
(08-01-2022 08:07 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(08-01-2022 07:36 PM)dcg141 Wrote:  
(08-01-2022 07:28 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Saying ‘I don’t believe it’ doesn’t change the facts.
Then show me where that happened. Show me were they selected those schools, promised not to renegotiate the contract and made that public.

I'm not doing your research for you. my info comes from Mike Aresco radio interviews and honestly I'm cool with sitting back and watching you slowly but surely realize that information is correct. Tell us more about paying 18 million and walking away from 54 million in exit fees to play in a lesser conf.

If ESPN did indeed torpedo a AAC/MW deal should we not start to ask why? ESPN is not acting in our best interest and we need to recognize that. It's pretty obvious that its a stronger conference than taking 6 CUSA schools. In fact it weakens the AAC's position going forward. Is no one curious why they would suggest that? And if were just going to do whatever a media company tells us why do we need a commissioner?

they did not torpedo a merger. the AAC asked ESPN who do we need to add to keep our legacy payouts...the answer was UNT (Dallas), FAU (Miami), UTSA (San Antonio), Charlotte, and UAB (Birmingham)

essentially we needed 6 big market teams just to make up for the eyeballs lost with Cincy, Houston, and UCF.

and moreover, what happens if the PAC steals away SDSU and someone else from the MWC? their TV deal will drop ever farther behind ours.

Those schools do not deliver those markets. Never will. Anyone with an understanding of college football knows that. The AAC is weakened adding 6 CUSA schools. We get a few paydays then it’s a slow death for football if we don’t get out.
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RE: We need to go ahead and call the Mountain West
(08-04-2022 10:12 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  
(08-03-2022 02:54 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(08-03-2022 08:56 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  
(08-03-2022 08:06 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(08-03-2022 05:34 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  Well the BCS has been dead for sometime now. But they do have access to the playoffs.

Then there is the GOR they have with the ACC.

They have no reason to go to any conference right now. Even though in theory they could make more money doing so.

There is talk of the ACC renegotiating their TV with network if they could get ND to come on full time and allowing them to keep home TV rights.

If they could do that then the amount of money needed to do so would have WV leaving the Big XII for the ACC.

ND's GOR with the ACC does not include football. So ND's would not have much "penalty" at all for abandoning the ACC. It's a non-factor.

Yes it does.

It states that if ND decides to join a conference in football that they must join the ACC.

They are contractually obligated to the ACC until 2036 if they join a conference in football.

https://slapthesign.com/2021/07/30/notre...dependent/

That article is a year old, and written by someone that no one knows. It has not withstood the scrutiny dictated by current circumstances and does not go in depth.

All of the below articles are recent and from (mostly) reputable sources. They all admit that ND has a contract that runs through 2036 that says they would "have" to join the ACC if any conference. But the buyout of that contract is 3 years of NON-FOOTBALL revenue. Non-fb revenue because the ACC does not control ND's football grant of rights. The David Hale twitter feed points out that the pre-COVID number for this non-fb revenue share was $10.8M/year. For 3 years, that's a $33M buyout - aka chump change in today's world of athletics.

ESPN+

ESPN - David Hale twitter

247 sports

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https://247sports.com/Article/Explaining...ent%20deal

If ND wants to go to B1G before their current contract with the ACC expires it will cost them either $100 million or 3 times the per team payout at the time. Which ever is higher.

I have seen nothing that says "whichever is higher" in the many articles I've read - including the one you linked. It appears no one has leaked the actual contract, so everyone is guessing. And what they are guessing is that $100M is the MAX - and that is based upon the 3x annual ACC payout of $32.8M

The flaw with this logic is that the $32.8M is the FULL MEMBER share - including football tv share - which is by far the largest chunk of the money. And ND is not a FULL MEMBER - they don't get an ACC football share because they are independent and have their own lucrative deal.

ND's largest ACC payout was ~$11M. So 3x that is $33M. It's pretty simple - IF that is what the contract calls for.

So I believe we have the min and max estimates for the penalty. Either one could be easily paid by ND. The B1G's tv contract is expected to go to $100M per year per school with the addition of USC/UCLA. Add ND, and it grows even more. Compare that to $33M with the ACC. So even if the penalty is $100M, ND makes that up in less than 2 years.

The "GOR" nor the penalty will keep ND from joining the B1G if they want to do so - as you claim. It's going to all come down to playoff access.
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RE: We need to go ahead and call the Mountain West
(08-04-2022 07:52 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(08-04-2022 06:51 PM)dcg141 Wrote:  
(08-01-2022 08:07 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(08-01-2022 07:36 PM)dcg141 Wrote:  
(08-01-2022 07:28 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Saying ‘I don’t believe it’ doesn’t change the facts.
Then show me where that happened. Show me were they selected those schools, promised not to renegotiate the contract and made that public.

I'm not doing your research for you. my info comes from Mike Aresco radio interviews and honestly I'm cool with sitting back and watching you slowly but surely realize that information is correct. Tell us more about paying 18 million and walking away from 54 million in exit fees to play in a lesser conf.

If ESPN did indeed torpedo a AAC/MW deal should we not start to ask why? ESPN is not acting in our best interest and we need to recognize that. It's pretty obvious that its a stronger conference than taking 6 CUSA schools. In fact it weakens the AAC's position going forward. Is no one curious why they would suggest that? And if were just going to do whatever a media company tells us why do we need a commissioner?

they did not torpedo a merger. the AAC asked ESPN who do we need to add to keep our legacy payouts...the answer was UNT (Dallas), FAU (Miami), UTSA (San Antonio), Charlotte, and UAB (Birmingham)

essentially we needed 6 big market teams just to make up for the eyeballs lost with Cincy, Houston, and UCF.

and moreover, what happens if the PAC steals away SDSU and someone else from the MWC? their TV deal will drop ever farther behind ours.

I didn't look it up, but I'd bet there are as many eyeballs in Shelby County as there are in the entire state of Idaho. Plus the Memphis market includes a couple of the adjacent counties in Mississippi and Fayette + Tipton counties....

Edit. Idaho 1.75 M, Montana 1.1 M, Wyoming 0.6M as of 2020.

Those three states together don't bring many eyeballs.
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RE: We need to go ahead and call the Mountain West
(08-06-2022 12:15 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  
(08-04-2022 07:52 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(08-04-2022 06:51 PM)dcg141 Wrote:  
(08-01-2022 08:07 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(08-01-2022 07:36 PM)dcg141 Wrote:  Then show me where that happened. Show me were they selected those schools, promised not to renegotiate the contract and made that public.

I'm not doing your research for you. my info comes from Mike Aresco radio interviews and honestly I'm cool with sitting back and watching you slowly but surely realize that information is correct. Tell us more about paying 18 million and walking away from 54 million in exit fees to play in a lesser conf.

If ESPN did indeed torpedo a AAC/MW deal should we not start to ask why? ESPN is not acting in our best interest and we need to recognize that. It's pretty obvious that its a stronger conference than taking 6 CUSA schools. In fact it weakens the AAC's position going forward. Is no one curious why they would suggest that? And if were just going to do whatever a media company tells us why do we need a commissioner?

they did not torpedo a merger. the AAC asked ESPN who do we need to add to keep our legacy payouts...the answer was UNT (Dallas), FAU (Miami), UTSA (San Antonio), Charlotte, and UAB (Birmingham)

essentially we needed 6 big market teams just to make up for the eyeballs lost with Cincy, Houston, and UCF.

and moreover, what happens if the PAC steals away SDSU and someone else from the MWC? their TV deal will drop ever farther behind ours.

I didn't look it up, but I'd bet there are as many eyeballs in Shelby County as there are in the entire state of Idaho. Plus the Memphis market includes a couple of the adjacent counties in Mississippi and Fayette + Tipton counties....

we supposedly have 633,930 TV households in Memphis' metro...I'm assuming something like 2.25 people per TV household but that's just a guess.
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What if we call and get a recording ?
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(08-06-2022 02:05 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  What if we call and get a recording ?

“We are currently helping other customers. Please stay on the line. You are currently second in line to receive the next available invitation. I repeat: You are second in line. Please hold. “
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(08-06-2022 02:05 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  What if we call and get a recording ?

“We are currently helping other customers. Please stay on the line. You are currently second in line to receive the next available invitation. I repeat: You are second in line. Please hold. “

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RE: We need to go ahead and call the Mountain West
(08-06-2022 02:28 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
(08-06-2022 02:20 PM)SouthernMSTiger Wrote:  
(08-06-2022 02:05 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  What if we call and get a recording ?

“We are currently helping other customers. Please stay on the line. You are currently second in line to receive the next available invitation. I repeat: You are second in line. Please hold. “

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(08-06-2022 02:05 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  What if we call and get a recording ?

“We are currently helping other customers. Please stay on the line. You are currently second in line to receive the next available invitation. I repeat: You are second in line. Please hold. “

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This is great!
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RE: We need to go ahead and call the Mountain West
Things change every day, but as of now...

It is looking more and more likely that the Colorado and Arizona schools will move to the Big XII.

The Colorado BOR has had multiple meetings over the last few weeks. The BIG XII may end up with the better money offer, and if so, the "4 corners" schools are expected to jump.

If this happens, Memphis isn't going to the Big XII. It doesn't mean something else may not pop up.

I may have to eat crow on the Mountain West though. I hope not, but...
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(Today 10:32 AM)Claw Wrote:  Things change every day, but as of now...

It is looking more and more likely that the Colorado and Arizona schools will move to the Big XII.

The Colorado BOR has had multiple meetings over the last few weeks. The BIG XII may end up with the better money offer, and if so, the "4 corners" schools are expected to jump.

If this happens, Memphis isn't going to the Big XII. It doesn't mean something else may not pop up.

I may have to eat crow on the Mountain West though. I hope not, but...

Where is it projected the current B12 gets better $ than the current PAC? Everything I've seen has said pretty equal.
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RE: We need to go ahead and call the Mountain West
(Today 11:53 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(Today 10:32 AM)Claw Wrote:  Things change every day, but as of now...

It is looking more and more likely that the Colorado and Arizona schools will move to the Big XII.

The Colorado BOR has had multiple meetings over the last few weeks. The BIG XII may end up with the better money offer, and if so, the "4 corners" schools are expected to jump.

If this happens, Memphis isn't going to the Big XII. It doesn't mean something else may not pop up.

I may have to eat crow on the Mountain West though. I hope not, but...

Where is it projected the current B12 gets better $ than the current PAC? Everything I've seen has said pretty equal.

I think some of the big guys are asking for unequal revenue sharing. I have seen conflicting reports. Some say uneven TV revenue and some say just less sharing of postseason money.

What we DO know is Colorado's BOR keeps meeting on the subject. Something is up on way or the other.
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RE: We need to go ahead and call the Mountain West
(Today 12:09 PM)Claw Wrote:  
(Today 11:53 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(Today 10:32 AM)Claw Wrote:  Things change every day, but as of now...

It is looking more and more likely that the Colorado and Arizona schools will move to the Big XII.

The Colorado BOR has had multiple meetings over the last few weeks. The BIG XII may end up with the better money offer, and if so, the "4 corners" schools are expected to jump.

If this happens, Memphis isn't going to the Big XII. It doesn't mean something else may not pop up.

I may have to eat crow on the Mountain West though. I hope not, but...

Where is it projected the current B12 gets better $ than the current PAC? Everything I've seen has said pretty equal.

I think some of the big guys are asking for unequal revenue sharing. I have seen conflicting reports. Some say uneven TV revenue and some say just less sharing of postseason money.

What we DO know is Colorado's BOR keeps meeting on the subject. Something is up on way or the other.

I believe they and others want in the B1G. But the B1G doesn't want them. I don't think they are licking their chops to get back to the B12.
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