(09-14-2022 04:58 PM)LexColonel Wrote: We could use Liberty fans getting behind us for CUSA. Don’t listen to wku fans they will say anything to disrespect and disparage EKU. We have done the work!
armymike…..Army/Navy game??️ thoughts?
I, for one, would love to see EKU move up to FBS and join C-USA. It’s great to have Kentucky teams at that level. Being from Kentucky, I remember all the great EKU teams and the heated rivalry with WKU. I don’t really have any ties to EKU, other than state pride. I do have quite a few family members that attended or graduated from Western.
I believe Army will win the game this year. I am hopeful they will at least.
I am moving home to Kentucky next month, medically retiring from the Army. Don’t know if you followed much of my story on here along the way. Thankful for all my message board buddies who have prayed me along my way. Been at Brooke Army Medical Center in San Antonio, TX since July of 2021. But I am finally going home… looking for a house now, hopefully in Oldham, Shelby, Spencer, Nelson, Hardin, or Meade Counties. Someplace with close access to Louisville (where all our family are) and the VA hospital.
(09-14-2022 04:58 PM)LexColonel Wrote: We could use Liberty fans getting behind us for CUSA. Don’t listen to wku fans they will say anything to disrespect and disparage EKU. We have done the work!
armymike…..Army/Navy game??️ thoughts?
I, for one, would love to see EKU move up to FBS and join C-USA. It’s great to have Kentucky teams at that level. Being from Kentucky, I remember all the great EKU teams and the heated rivalry with WKU. I don’t really have any ties to EKU, other than state pride. I do have quite a few family members that attended or graduated from Western.
I believe Army will win the game this year. I am hopeful they will at least.
I am moving home to Kentucky next month, medically retiring from the Army. Don’t know if you followed much of my story on here along the way. Thankful for all my message board buddies who have prayed me along my way. Been at Brooke Army Medical Center in San Antonio, TX since July of 2021. But I am finally going home… looking for a house now, hopefully in Oldham, Shelby, Spencer, Nelson, Hardin, or Meade Counties. Someplace with close access to Louisville (where all our family are) and the VA hospital.
Glad to hear you are doing better.
I am sorry, I don’t know your history, but wish you well. Good you’re going home, there’s no place like our Old Kentucky Home!
Navy is struggling this year, I look for Army to win the game in December. Another game everyone should see in person, nothing like the Army/Navy game! ️️️️
(This post was last modified: 09-16-2022 05:30 PM by LexColonel.)
Yeah, it's bizarre. Think I quipped something a while back here about "look out once BU's midget football squad hits the gridiron."
Frankly, I wish they'd instead gone the D-I non-scholarship route and were playing the likes of Dayton, Butler, and Morehead, rather than Midway, et al. Seems to me that the novelty of sprint football will wear off *very* quickly. Heck, I'm not even sure that, after the game this weekend, there was any local media mention of it.
They won; so, as the old saying goes, "Bellarmine football is still undefeated."
(This post was last modified: 09-19-2022 12:32 AM by BellarmineGrad.)
(09-01-2022 09:13 PM)Hootyhoo Wrote: It's second and goal. We're an option team. RUN THE DAMN BALL!!!!
Disappointing game, but if we're gonna have a bad performance, I'm glad it came out of conference.
Really man, I am so sick of watching Kennesaw football.. the predictability and mediocrity is exhausting… there is a reason every team who actually wants to be consistently good in anything other than a ****** conference like the big south does not run that dumb*** option anymore.. it has been kind of a fun ride I mean suntrust was fun, I think it may finally be the time i jump ship and put all my efforts into my second Alma mater, Liberty..
63-19 isn't mediocrity. The option is great and I'd be very disappointed if ksu ever changed the scheme on offense.
Thinking about that game more, I feel fine about this season. Preston Daniels looked like the guy at b-back I've been waiting on him to be since the first time he played and I saw his build. Us having more pass attempts than he had carries is a problem. I'm excited to see how we play against Cincy.
The option is outdated. If you look at KSU's spring game, it will show it. We need to change!!!
(09-01-2022 09:13 PM)Hootyhoo Wrote: It's second and goal. We're an option team. RUN THE DAMN BALL!!!!
Disappointing game, but if we're gonna have a bad performance, I'm glad it came out of conference.
Really man, I am so sick of watching Kennesaw football.. the predictability and mediocrity is exhausting… there is a reason every team who actually wants to be consistently good in anything other than a ****** conference like the big south does not run that dumb*** option anymore.. it has been kind of a fun ride I mean suntrust was fun, I think it may finally be the time i jump ship and put all my efforts into my second Alma mater, Liberty..
63-19 isn't mediocrity. The option is great and I'd be very disappointed if ksu ever changed the scheme on offense.
Thinking about that game more, I feel fine about this season. Preston Daniels looked like the guy at b-back I've been waiting on him to be since the first time he played and I saw his build. Us having more pass attempts than he had carries is a problem. I'm excited to see how we play against Cincy.
The option is outdated. If you look at KSU's spring game, it will show it. We need to change!!!
You can say that again.. The change needs to happen ASAP! This is the issue with a lot of KSU fans.. They are not real educated on football schemes and strategy. Yes the option is great when you are playing in a BS conference like the Big South, where you can just run all around with no particular scheme and score a lot of points. But, as soon as you put an option offense against decent defenses, it is over. We have seen it the last 8 years. Any time KSU plays a decent defense, we struggle and lose. You have to be balanced and pass the ball in todays football. The spread option out of the shotgun like what GA southern runs, would be a great offense for us to run. Especially witht he type of recruits that we have very good access too. The limitations running this BS option offense puts on our recruit potential is a another issue all together.
(09-21-2022 03:42 AM)jones682 Wrote: The option is outdated. If you look at KSU's spring game, it will show it. We need to change!!!
You can say that again.. The change needs to happen ASAP! This is the issue with a lot of KSU fans.. They are not real educated on football schemes and strategy. Yes the option is great when you are playing in a BS conference like the Big South, where you can just run all around with no particular scheme and score a lot of points. But, as soon as you put an option offense against decent defenses, it is over. We have seen it the last 8 years. Any time KSU plays a decent defense, we struggle and lose. You have to be balanced and pass the ball in todays football. The spread option out of the shotgun like what GA southern runs, would be a great offense for us to run. Especially witht he type of recruits that we have very good access too. The limitations running this BS option offense puts on our recruit potential is a another issue all together.
I love the T.O. -- always have -- but I realized a few years ago that it has a ceiling of effectiveness.
If you run the T.O. well at the D-II level, you might win a National Championship every now and then.
If you run the T.O. well at the FCS level, you'll be a consistent Quarterfinalist, with an outside shot at a Semifinal appearance if the ball bounces your way.
If you run the T.O. well at the G5 level, you'll consistently finish at or just under .500.
If you run the T.O. well at the P5 level, when things are really clicking, you might actually get enough wins to be bowl eligible once in awhile, if you draw a favorable conference schedule.
My advice is for Kennesaw to run the T.O. forever.
I like the triple option. It's fun to watch. It certainly hurts us recruiting and probably has a lot to do with why we struggle early in the season since it's tough to give our defense good looks in practice.
But I like it. We lost a couple games. The sky isn't falling. We had the bye to get things in order. Wofford has put up 7 points in 3 games, so we should be able to beat up on them at home. Then we start conference play which is all that really matters. And luckily we start with a cupcake conference opponent on October first.
(09-21-2022 03:58 PM)Hootyhoo Wrote: I like the triple option. It's fun to watch. It certainly hurts us recruiting and probably has a lot to do with why we struggle early in the season since it's tough to give our defense good looks in practice.
But I like it. We lost a couple games. The sky isn't falling. We had the bye to get things in order. Wofford has put up 7 points in 3 games, so we should be able to beat up on them at home. Then we start conference play which is all that really matters. And luckily we start with a cupcake conference opponent on October first.
That is the thing though… everyone is ok with only beating cupcake teams. Yea, you can probably run any offense right now and beat Wofford. But, when we play the big boys we get spanked. And everyone’s response is, oh it’s ok… at least we made it.. we were expected to lose… there is a reason why nobody runs it anymore and the ones that do, suck.. you have to have some kind of balance in todays game.
UNA's heyday in D2 was via a well-oiled TO attack. Oh, it was a thing of beauty in most games. What I liked is that they didn't shy away from passing back in the mid-90's era of TO. Pound out the short runs and break up the monotony with a good pass play. Then, sure enough, a long run for TD.
Definitely some grainy video here but it's 5 mins of some of the best football atmosphere ever in Florence.
(This post was last modified: 09-21-2022 07:39 PM by unalions.)
(09-21-2022 03:58 PM)Hootyhoo Wrote: I like the triple option. It's fun to watch. It certainly hurts us recruiting and probably has a lot to do with why we struggle early in the season since it's tough to give our defense good looks in practice.
But I like it. We lost a couple games. The sky isn't falling. We had the bye to get things in order. Wofford has put up 7 points in 3 games, so we should be able to beat up on them at home. Then we start conference play which is all that really matters. And luckily we start with a cupcake conference opponent on October first.
That is the thing though… everyone is ok with only beating cupcake teams. Yea, you can probably run any offense right now and beat Wofford. But, when we play the big boys we get spanked. And everyone’s response is, oh it’s ok… at least we made it.. we were expected to lose… there is a reason why nobody runs it anymore and the ones that do, suck.. you have to have some kind of balance in todays game.
(09-21-2022 07:39 PM)unalions Wrote: UNA's heyday in D2 was via a well-oiled TO attack. Oh, it was a thing of beauty in most games. What I liked is that they didn't shy away from passing back in the mid-90's era of TO. Pound out the short runs and break up the monotony with a good pass play. Then, sure enough, a long run for TD.
Definitely some grainy video here but it's 5 mins of some of the best football atmosphere ever in Florence.
Back in the late 80s and early 90s, you had UNA and JSU running roughshod over everybody with the T.O. in D-II, and Ga Southern doing the same in I-AA. Up in the lofty ranks of I-A, Nebraska's T.O. was winning Nattys behind the great Tommie Frazier.
It was a glorious time for the T.O.
Then defenses figured it out. Or rather, they were finally able to pair athleticism with the discipline needed to defend the T.O. Discipline is the key to slowing down the option at any level. The better the athletes are, the more effectively they stop it, which is why the T.O. always seems to hit a brick wall in the later rounds of the FCS playoffs. (And why it's a terrible offense to run at the highest level.)
(09-21-2022 07:39 PM)unalions Wrote: UNA's heyday in D2 was via a well-oiled TO attack. Oh, it was a thing of beauty in most games. What I liked is that they didn't shy away from passing back in the mid-90's era of TO. Pound out the short runs and break up the monotony with a good pass play. Then, sure enough, a long run for TD.
Definitely some grainy video here but it's 5 mins of some of the best football atmosphere ever in Florence.
Back in the late 80s and early 90s, you had UNA and JSU running roughshod over everybody with the T.O. in D-II, and Ga Southern doing the same in I-AA. Up in the lofty ranks of I-A, Nebraska's T.O. was winning Nattys behind the great Tommie Frazier.
It was a glorious time for the T.O.
Then defenses figured it out. Or rather, they were finally able to pair athleticism with the discipline needed to defend the T.O. Discipline is the key to slowing down the option at any level. The better the athletes are, the more effectively they stop it, which is why the T.O. always seems to hit a brick wall in the later rounds of the FCS playoffs. (And why it's a terrible offense to run at the highest level.)
Not that it makes a real difference but I believe the issue is that you can't recruit good enough talent that want to run an option at the top level. It's not that the offense schematically was "figured out" it's that a disciplined defense that is also more talented than the other team is going to do well against it. And a disciplined defense thats more talented than the opponent will do well against literally any scheme.
I think with the talent we've been bringing in here, we can be an outlier and win it all in fcs with the offense. I like the option. I hope we run it for a long time. I also understand that it makes things harder for us than it needs to be. But damn, it's so pretty when it's rolling. Also I don't want to throw away literally the entire (short) history of our program over a couple bad weeks to start this season.
(09-21-2022 07:39 PM)unalions Wrote: UNA's heyday in D2 was via a well-oiled TO attack. Oh, it was a thing of beauty in most games. What I liked is that they didn't shy away from passing back in the mid-90's era of TO. Pound out the short runs and break up the monotony with a good pass play. Then, sure enough, a long run for TD.
Definitely some grainy video here but it's 5 mins of some of the best football atmosphere ever in Florence.
Back in the late 80s and early 90s, you had UNA and JSU running roughshod over everybody with the T.O. in D-II, and Ga Southern doing the same in I-AA. Up in the lofty ranks of I-A, Nebraska's T.O. was winning Nattys behind the great Tommie Frazier.
It was a glorious time for the T.O.
Then defenses figured it out. Or rather, they were finally able to pair athleticism with the discipline needed to defend the T.O. Discipline is the key to slowing down the option at any level. The better the athletes are, the more effectively they stop it, which is why the T.O. always seems to hit a brick wall in the later rounds of the FCS playoffs. (And why it's a terrible offense to run at the highest level.)
Not that it makes a real difference but I believe the issue is that you can't recruit good enough talent that want to run an option at the top level. It's not that the offense schematically was "figured out" it's that a disciplined defense that is also more talented than the other team is going to do well against it. And a disciplined defense thats more talented than the opponent will do well against literally any scheme.
I think with the talent we've been bringing in here, we can be an outlier and win it all in fcs with the offense. I like the option. I hope we run it for a long time. I also understand that it makes things harder for us than it needs to be. But damn, it's so pretty when it's rolling. Also I don't want to throw away literally the entire (short) history of our program over a couple bad weeks to start this season.
That's the thing about the triple option, you don't have to have the best athletes to run it. UNA won 3 NCs in a row with average at best athlete's on offense.
What really made UNA was not even the triple option, no disrespect to previous post about UNAs to. But it's was really our defense. Had very high level defense and tons of NFL talent on that side of the ball.
That was the biggest thing about UNA and JSU back in those days, defense that hd no issues with taking your best players out of the games, even if it meant taking a few 15 yard flags to get the job done. They literally scared the opponents, they simply had to make business decisions.
(09-21-2022 07:39 PM)unalions Wrote: UNA's heyday in D2 was via a well-oiled TO attack. Oh, it was a thing of beauty in most games. What I liked is that they didn't shy away from passing back in the mid-90's era of TO. Pound out the short runs and break up the monotony with a good pass play. Then, sure enough, a long run for TD.
Definitely some grainy video here but it's 5 mins of some of the best football atmosphere ever in Florence.
Was 10 years old on the sideline of that game. Most electric atmosphere I've ever been a part of to this day, and I've been to way too many college football games.
(09-21-2022 07:39 PM)unalions Wrote: UNA's heyday in D2 was via a well-oiled TO attack. Oh, it was a thing of beauty in most games. What I liked is that they didn't shy away from passing back in the mid-90's era of TO. Pound out the short runs and break up the monotony with a good pass play. Then, sure enough, a long run for TD.
Definitely some grainy video here but it's 5 mins of some of the best football atmosphere ever in Florence.
Back in the late 80s and early 90s, you had UNA and JSU running roughshod over everybody with the T.O. in D-II, and Ga Southern doing the same in I-AA. Up in the lofty ranks of I-A, Nebraska's T.O. was winning Nattys behind the great Tommie Frazier.
It was a glorious time for the T.O.
Then defenses figured it out. Or rather, they were finally able to pair athleticism with the discipline needed to defend the T.O. Discipline is the key to slowing down the option at any level. The better the athletes are, the more effectively they stop it, which is why the T.O. always seems to hit a brick wall in the later rounds of the FCS playoffs. (And why it's a terrible offense to run at the highest level.)
Not that it makes a real difference but I believe the issue is that you can't recruit good enough talent that want to run an option at the top level. It's not that the offense schematically was "figured out" it's that a disciplined defense that is also more talented than the other team is going to do well against it. And a disciplined defense thats more talented than the opponent will do well against literally any scheme.
I think with the talent we've been bringing in here, we can be an outlier and win it all in fcs with the offense. I like the option. I hope we run it for a long time. I also understand that it makes things harder for us than it needs to be. But damn, it's so pretty when it's rolling. Also I don't want to throw away literally the entire (short) history of our program over a couple bad weeks to start this season.
If the TO worked, every body would run it. When is the last time someone won the FCS running the TO? Coach Bo wants to chase Paul Johnson ghost. Time to move on and go to C-USA.
(09-21-2022 07:39 PM)unalions Wrote: UNA's heyday in D2 was via a well-oiled TO attack. Oh, it was a thing of beauty in most games. What I liked is that they didn't shy away from passing back in the mid-90's era of TO. Pound out the short runs and break up the monotony with a good pass play. Then, sure enough, a long run for TD.
Definitely some grainy video here but it's 5 mins of some of the best football atmosphere ever in Florence.
Back in the late 80s and early 90s, you had UNA and JSU running roughshod over everybody with the T.O. in D-II, and Ga Southern doing the same in I-AA. Up in the lofty ranks of I-A, Nebraska's T.O. was winning Nattys behind the great Tommie Frazier.
It was a glorious time for the T.O.
Then defenses figured it out. Or rather, they were finally able to pair athleticism with the discipline needed to defend the T.O. Discipline is the key to slowing down the option at any level. The better the athletes are, the more effectively they stop it, which is why the T.O. always seems to hit a brick wall in the later rounds of the FCS playoffs. (And why it's a terrible offense to run at the highest level.)
Not that it makes a real difference but I believe the issue is that you can't recruit good enough talent that want to run an option at the top level. It's not that the offense schematically was "figured out" it's that a disciplined defense that is also more talented than the other team is going to do well against it. And a disciplined defense thats more talented than the opponent will do well against literally any scheme.
I think with the talent we've been bringing in here, we can be an outlier and win it all in fcs with the offense. I like the option. I hope we run it for a long time. I also understand that it makes things harder for us than it needs to be. But damn, it's so pretty when it's rolling. Also I don't want to throw away literally the entire (short) history of our program over a couple bad weeks to start this season.
If the TO worked, every body would run it. When is the last time someone won the FCS running the TO? Coach Bo wants to chase Paul Johnson ghost. Time to move on and go to C-USA.
Why don't you email CUSA instead of everything you post on here being about how y'all need to go to CUSA? The school that is the most qualifieds fans don't even do that. And that's EKU...
(09-21-2022 07:39 PM)unalions Wrote: UNA's heyday in D2 was via a well-oiled TO attack. Oh, it was a thing of beauty in most games. What I liked is that they didn't shy away from passing back in the mid-90's era of TO. Pound out the short runs and break up the monotony with a good pass play. Then, sure enough, a long run for TD.
Definitely some grainy video here but it's 5 mins of some of the best football atmosphere ever in Florence.
Back in the late 80s and early 90s, you had UNA and JSU running roughshod over everybody with the T.O. in D-II, and Ga Southern doing the same in I-AA. Up in the lofty ranks of I-A, Nebraska's T.O. was winning Nattys behind the great Tommie Frazier.
It was a glorious time for the T.O.
Then defenses figured it out. Or rather, they were finally able to pair athleticism with the discipline needed to defend the T.O. Discipline is the key to slowing down the option at any level. The better the athletes are, the more effectively they stop it, which is why the T.O. always seems to hit a brick wall in the later rounds of the FCS playoffs. (And why it's a terrible offense to run at the highest level.)
Not that it makes a real difference but I believe the issue is that you can't recruit good enough talent that want to run an option at the top level. It's not that the offense schematically was "figured out" it's that a disciplined defense that is also more talented than the other team is going to do well against it. And a disciplined defense thats more talented than the opponent will do well against literally any scheme.
I think with the talent we've been bringing in here, we can be an outlier and win it all in fcs with the offense. I like the option. I hope we run it for a long time. I also understand that it makes things harder for us than it needs to be. But damn, it's so pretty when it's rolling. Also I don't want to throw away literally the entire (short) history of our program over a couple bad weeks to start this season.
If the TO worked, every body would run it. When is the last time someone won the FCS running the TO? Coach Bo wants to chase Paul Johnson ghost. Time to move on and go to C-USA.
Why don't you email CUSA instead of everything you post on here being about how y'all need to go to CUSA? The school that is the most qualifieds fans don't even do that. And that's EKU...
Ok I got to address this. KSU has more money (26M), better location, more students, has been a consistently rank FCS team, been in the playoffs, won playoff games, and won football D1 conference championships. What has UNA done in D1? Oh wait you just moved to D1 so why are you talking? I responded to a KSU fan regarding our TO and you responded with some old 1980's UNA TO video from when you were in D2 to turn the attention to UNA. You are not in D2 anymore! I can say what ever I what to say just like you can. If I see an issue with KSU, I will talk about it. If you have an issue with that, that is your problem. FYI, the post before the last I did not mentioned C-USA. Some UNA fans get mad when KSU talks about leaving the conference because they think that KSU would be the replacement for Valdosta State. KSU football teams spends money a year more than Valdosta State whole athletic department in a year. KSU is not Valdosta.
