Bill has been proposed by Dems in both the House and Senate.. But nothing on term limits for House and Senate.. Crazy


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-d...t-justices

Again... And i've said this a million times.

Any attempt to do this is UNCONSTITUTIONAL and will be shot down by the Supreme court


Article III:

“The judicial power of the United States shall be vested in one supreme court, and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The judges, both of the supreme and inferior courts, shall hold their offices during good behavior…”


In other words.. The Democrats want to change the constitution to fit "their" standards

Blatantly unconstitutional bill unless its part of an amendment referendum process

(07-27-2022 03:24 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Bill has been proposed by Dems in both the House and Senate.. But nothing on term limits for House and Senate.. Crazy


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-d...t-justices

Why are Democrats so dumb? You cant change a constitutional provision with a congressional bill. You must amend the constitution. Politics 101 should be for all Democrats to read the darn Constitution. They seem utterly unfamiliar with the document be the subject abortion, guns, free speech, religion, Supreme Court justices, or anything else with Constitutional overtones.

(07-27-2022 04:30 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 03:24 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Bill has been proposed by Dems in both the House and Senate.. But nothing on term limits for House and Senate.. Crazy


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-d...t-justices

Why are Democrats so dumb? You cant change a constitutional provision with a congressional bill. You must amend the constitution. Politics 101 should be for all Democrats to read the darn Constitution. They seem utterly unfamiliar with the document be the subject abortion, guns, free speech, religion, Supreme Court justices, or anything else with Constitutional overtones.

Because they ARE mindless morons. In another link I read, the bill was proposed by Hank "tip Guam over" Johnson.

(07-27-2022 04:01 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Blatantly unconstitutional bill unless its part of an amendment referendum process

True. With that said, I absolutely support such an amendment (term limits on all federal judges, and all members of the House and Senate, too, for that matter) and wish that it would be enacted. But I know it won’t be.

(07-27-2022 10:46 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 04:01 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Blatantly unconstitutional bill unless its part of an amendment referendum process

True. With that said, I absolutely support such an amendment (term limits on all federal judges, and all members of the House and Senate, too, for that matter) and wish that it would be enacted. But I know it won’t be.

Judges do not need term limits because their decisions should not be clouded by a time limit. Worst case scenario is a judge who is coming to the end of their term who makes a bad decision to make some sort of legacy.

Congress already has term limits. 2 years for the House and 6 years for the senate. Just because the idiots in Congressional districts outside of our own continue to re-elect living fossils doesn't mean we should have a say in their representation. If they continue to vote for them, I don't think it's anyone's right to say they can't.

The bigger problem is dirty money and campaign contributions that keep these leeches wanting to return for decades.

(07-27-2022 10:46 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 04:01 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Blatantly unconstitutional bill unless its part of an amendment referendum process

True. With that said, I absolutely support such an amendment (term limits on all federal judges, and all members of the House and Senate, too, for that matter) and wish that it would be enacted. But I know it won’t be.

We do need judicial reform.

I don't know the perfect solution though.

We elect judges in NC and they are devolving unto pure partisan affairs. I'd prefer that though to a place like Kansas where they are stuck with a judicial activist Supreme Court that doesn't reflect their populace.

We really need a culture change on how we view political parties. The founders hated them and we now see why

But what's the alternative

Democrats are all for term limits for supreme court justices... until there are five liberals on the court... then they'll be against them.

The Dems are proposing this BS bill just to appease their insane constituents in an election year. They know very well this bill will get shot down.

(07-27-2022 10:46 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 04:01 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Blatantly unconstitutional bill unless its part of an amendment referendum process

True. With that said, I absolutely support such an amendment (term limits on all federal judges, and all members of the House and Senate, too, for that matter) and wish that it would be enacted. But I know it won’t be.

The Dems want to limit the power of where they are the minority in power.

(07-28-2022 06:19 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 10:46 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 04:01 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Blatantly unconstitutional bill unless its part of an amendment referendum process

True. With that said, I absolutely support such an amendment (term limits on all federal judges, and all members of the House and Senate, too, for that matter) and wish that it would be enacted. But I know it won’t be.

The Dems want to limit the power of where they are the minority in power.

Isn’t it a natural function of any political party to minimize where they are weakest and maximize where they are strongest?

And I agree completely with NG above. I’d say have limits of 12 years. Each state picks one, picks it in a manner to how their legislature defines it. Stagger the terms in thirds just like the Senate biannually. Have the President nominate 12 more same staggered biannual basis and a simple one time majority vote confirmation (no filibuster)

Could get around the life tenure by letting those that revolve out devolve to a circuit appellate judge. This would take the pressure of the continuous need to have circuit appellate judges, which there is always more than a few open spots at any time.

Need to credit #s for a lot of the above framework and getting me to think on some tweaks

(07-28-2022 06:29 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Isn’t it a natural function of any political party to minimize where they are weakest and maximize where they are strongest?

Except for the damned Libertarians, who frustrate me to no end because they don't seem to understand the way politics is played.

(07-27-2022 10:46 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 04:01 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Blatantly unconstitutional bill unless its part of an amendment referendum process

True. With that said, I absolutely support such an amendment (term limits on all federal judges, and all members of the House and Senate, too, for that matter) and wish that it would be enacted. But I know it won’t be.

NO NO NO ...

there should be absolutely no term limits on any judges. You live with a judicial appointee across terms, it is not to be just tossed up and changed every 2 to 4 years, and thus putting judges in the pocket of politicians for every repeatable number of years.

I'm sure they'll find a way around the Constitution.

(07-27-2022 04:30 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 03:24 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Bill has been proposed by Dems in both the House and Senate.. But nothing on term limits for House and Senate.. Crazy


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-d...t-justices

Why are Democrats so dumb? You cant change a constitutional provision with a congressional bill. You must amend the constitution. Politics 101 should be for all Democrats to read the darn Constitution. They seem utterly unfamiliar with the document be the subject abortion, guns, free speech, religion, Supreme Court justices, or anything else with Constitutional overtones.

IMO, Dems aren't dumb. This is only about optics. D's know perfectly well the bill is unconstitutional, well, the educated ones at least. This is only to appease adherents that the Ds "are trying to do something". Nothing more, nothing less.

(07-28-2022 05:40 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 10:46 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 04:01 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Blatantly unconstitutional bill unless its part of an amendment referendum process

True. With that said, I absolutely support such an amendment (term limits on all federal judges, and all members of the House and Senate, too, for that matter) and wish that it would be enacted. But I know it won’t be.

We do need judicial reform.

I don't know the perfect solution though.

Probably is no “perfect solution” but if every judge had to rotate out in 15-20 years and let someone else have a turn, I think it would at least help.

Quote:We really need a culture change on how we view political parties. The founders hated them and we now see why

But what's the alternative

As with the judges, I don’t believe there is a silver bullet that will cure all the ills. But 2 things I strongly support are non-partisan primaries (which some states already have), followed by ranked-choice voting (“RCV”) in the General Election. With RCV, you do have to decide how many candidates move on past the primary. Alaska has just instituted a system where the top 4 candidates advance, and then each voter in the General Election is asked to rank them in order of preference. Once a candidate gets over 50%, they win. I’m curious to see how that works out, but I have concerns that some voters will get confused. Just intuitively, I think a Top-3 system is more manageable. But I’m open to ideas there.

The main thing is that non-partisan primaries and RCV will both incentivize candidates to seek the middle ground and help voters choose candidates who are not beholden to the consultants/fundraisers/donors of the 2 main parties. I think that is a huge part of the problem.

(07-28-2022 07:58 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 04:30 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 03:24 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Bill has been proposed by Dems in both the House and Senate.. But nothing on term limits for House and Senate.. Crazy


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-d...t-justices

Why are Democrats so dumb? You cant change a constitutional provision with a congressional bill. You must amend the constitution. Politics 101 should be for all Democrats to read the darn Constitution. They seem utterly unfamiliar with the document be the subject abortion, guns, free speech, religion, Supreme Court justices, or anything else with Constitutional overtones.

IMO, Dems aren't dumb. This is only about optics. D's know perfectly well the bill is unconstitutional, well, the educated ones at least. This is only to appease adherents that the Ds "are trying to do something". Nothing more, nothing less.

I think its a case of "Sue me." They pass the bill (or Executive order) and try to implement until someone takes them to court. How many times has Biden* gotten sent back with his tail between his legs?

(07-28-2022 10:03 AM)bullet Wrote:  I think its a case of "Sue me." They pass the bill (or Executive order) and try to implement until someone takes them to court. How many times has Biden* gotten sent back with his tail between his legs?

The dems play the calendar game. They know how the wheels of justice turn slowly. They enact something that is clearly illegal or unconstitutional and they know it may take months if not years before it sees a court docket.

It's not an assault on the rule of law and muh democratic norms when we do it!