The AAC is and will continue to be the best of the rest. Is is possible the MWC gets closer? YES. Will the Belt gain or pass CUSA and MAC, yes. Will the belt catch or pass the MWC or AAC? No.

(07-27-2022 09:36 PM)Monarch Pride Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 09:32 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 09:29 PM)Monarch Pride Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 09:28 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 09:27 PM)Monarch Pride Wrote:  :lmfao:So witty:lmfao:That is all you have

That’s all I need to handle your weak remarks.

Respond to my observation with an intelligent response

Ok here is one, it is you, a Sun Belt fan coming over to an AAC board to try to claim that maybe in 10 years the SBC May surpass the AAC financially.
Here is a hint I don’t need to go to a SBC board to claim that, because I don’t care about the SBC and as the facts shown in first post it isn’t even close.

No, the SBC will surpass the AAC when your contract is up for renewal. Research when the CUSA contract was up for renewal a few years ago. Because that is your future. You’re just too obtuse to recognize it.

Why does the SBC get graded including CC and Louisiana’s recent rise but the AAC new additions get graded on the past. Teams like UTSA, UAB, and UNT are not just way better than last time that deal was done but they are spending way more than SBC Teams to ensure future success. The SBC is 3 and a half solid football programs and zero basketball and are being completely lapped in spending by AAC teams.

(07-30-2022 08:15 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  You guys do realize that the AAC contract with ESPN will be renegotiated once Ciny, UCF and Houston leave, right? Like, seriously. You DO know this I hope. I can assure you, within 3 years, AAC will be sucking hind teat. just like CUSA is now. ECU and likely Memphis will be committed to the SBC by then as well.

Cmon man. USM is the poster child of the SBC. Football passed by teams willing to spend more, crappy market, no basketball. That sums up the SBC. I am sick of the history lesson from teams like Marshall, USM, Troy, etc. Do something now or for the future. Just glad UAB has gotten to cut back on the dumps we have to visit. I will give you Appy as a legit football program. We will see on Coastal. The rest of the decent teams just feast on garbage. And the other revenue sport, basketball, is a joke.

Throw in endowments, markets, and academics and the SBC is not better at anything of value.

I won’t try to defend UABs past but we are on the upswing big time.

Jesu Christi in the Foothills. Monarch, go back to our board. Enough is enough. Not moderating on your board, fellas, just reigning my flock in. This has gotten stupid. There are PLENTY of things that can be said about ANY team that left CUSA for either conference to make them look pretty dumb.

Everything will eventually come out in the wash. Have a good night gentlemen.

Say what you want about the new six coming over from C-USA, but chew on a hard fact. They were the teams with the biggest athletic budgets in the conference.

La. Tech and Southern Miss were the bottom two. I've been in a conference with Southern Miss for a long time and have a lot of respect for them. If they had the resources that UAB now does they would be scary quickly.

(07-31-2022 07:53 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  Jesu Christi in the Foothills. Monarch, go back to our board. Enough is enough. Not moderating on your board, fellas, just reigning my flock in. This has gotten stupid. There are PLENTY of things that can be said about ANY team that left CUSA for either conference to make them look pretty dumb.

Everything will eventually come out in the wash. Have a good night gentlemen.

Thank You.

(07-31-2022 07:53 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  Jesu Christi in the Foothills. Monarch, go back to our board. Enough is enough. Not moderating on your board, fellas, just reigning my flock in. This has gotten stupid. There are PLENTY of things that can be said about ANY team that left CUSA for either conference to make them look pretty dumb.

Everything will eventually come out in the wash. Have a good night gentlemen.

I left the thread THUNDERSuck, so not sure why you decided to post this. Keep banging those two fives/your hands.

(07-31-2022 09:25 PM)Monarch Pride Wrote:  

(07-31-2022 07:53 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  Jesu Christi in the Foothills. Monarch, go back to our board. Enough is enough. Not moderating on your board, fellas, just reigning my flock in. This has gotten stupid. There are PLENTY of things that can be said about ANY team that left CUSA for either conference to make them look pretty dumb.

Everything will eventually come out in the wash. Have a good night gentlemen.

I left the thread THUNDERSuck, so not sure why you decided to post this. Keep banging those two fives/your hands.

I posted this because you are being an absolute horse's rectum on another conference board. Don't be like that man. I get it... THUNDERSuck.. har har har.. Never heard that before... You're a genius of Wiley E. Coyote proportions. I probably saved you from a vacation from the board. You're welcome.

And with that, I am out of here AAC fellas.

I actually like a MOD. Holy crap. How nice to have someone reign in trolling that in no way added anything positive to the board.

I like the SBC. They remind me alot of the MAC. Fun for what they are. Problem with the SBC, unlike the MAC, is that they think they are the next coming of the SEC.
They will lose all their head coaches the second any are successful and they will fall right back down, like they have done a hundred times before... and just like the AAC just had to go through.

(07-31-2022 09:35 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(07-31-2022 09:25 PM)Monarch Pride Wrote:  

(07-31-2022 07:53 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  Jesu Christi in the Foothills. Monarch, go back to our board. Enough is enough. Not moderating on your board, fellas, just reigning my flock in. This has gotten stupid. There are PLENTY of things that can be said about ANY team that left CUSA for either conference to make them look pretty dumb.

Everything will eventually come out in the wash. Have a good night gentlemen.

I left the thread THUNDERSuck, so not sure why you decided to post this. Keep banging those two fives/your hands.

I posted this because you are being an absolute horse's rectum on another conference board. Don't be like that man. I get it... THUNDERSuck.. har har har.. Never heard that before... You're a genius of Wiley E. Coyote proportions. I probably saved you from a vacation from the board. You're welcome.

And with that, I am out of here AAC fellas.

Monarch Pride acts the same way on the Old Dominion board. Not to be confused with Monarch_Pride.

(07-27-2022 09:45 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 09:13 PM)Monarch Pride Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 08:54 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 08:40 PM)Monarch Pride Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 04:53 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  As noted, the numbers depicted show a big difference between the AAC and the other four.
And those numbers don't even reflect the AAC's new primary media rights deal. (The jump from 2018-2019 to 2019-2020 media revenue does include a reported $20 million advance "signing bonus.")
The AAC's 2020-2021 Form 990 isn't publically reported yet, but the media revenue has been - $52.16 million for the first year of the twelve-year deal. That was also the COVID-affected football season, and the AAC did not deliver full inventory to ESPN+.
CFP was also reduced in COVID 2020-2021 -- SBJ reported $77 million shared between the non-contract-bowl conferences, which probably works out to
AAC $22.6 million
mwc $15.4 million
Sun Belt $14.1 million
MAC $13 million
CUSA $11.8 million
Those numbers are consistent with previous analysis of the AAC distributions deducing CFP revenue and roughly with the CUSA "CFP" entry.

What about the Sun Belt? That $2.25 million media revenue in 2019-2020 is still very much a lagging indicator. SBJ reporting and financials from a single school (Louisiana if I remember correctly) have them most recently around $1.3 million per school or $13 million for the ten-team conference, having already started the announced in 2019 increase to 15 linear spots for football on the ESPN family.
Assume adding four teams came with a pro rata increase - that would be $18.2 million media for the conference.
Sun Belt media days announced that they would (again) increase their linear timeslots, without specific numbers. It stands to reason that increasing overall inventory could also increase ESPN's willingness to add linear timeslots proportionally, by 40-50%. That would give the Sun Belt just over half of the AAC's linear exposure on ESPN networks. Good for them, and I suppose that is "rising" but it is still just over half as good as the AAC before getting into ABC vs ESPN, and ABC/ESPN/ESPN2 vs ESPNU slots.
Would ESPN increase payout also? Seems to me that is giving the Sun Belt TWO contract improvements for the addition, but what if the money increased 40-50% also? That would put them around $25 million for the conference -- again, HALF of the AAC's. Despite "rising" the Sun Belt is still significantly behind the AAC legacy eight and still short of the AAC newbies' half-shares. The Sun Belt announcement said the deal still runs through 2031.

The mwc are also prior deal. The mwc current contract is about $45 million. They will have another new deal before either the AAC or Sun Belt. They could still get hit by trickle-down realignment. IF they don't and IF they double their former money, or even get 1.5 times the present deal not yet reflected in the released figures, the mwc will still be behind the AAC overall. Maybe a little ahead of the AAC newbies' smaller shares, but behind overall and behind the legacy eight.

The market and economics are still very fluid wouldn’t you say? Like any market, certain stocks are rising while others are declining. The AAC’s value is certainly changing as it loses Houston and Cincy, while adding CUSA teams to fill the void after being rebuffed by more desirable teams out west. I’m not sure a second fiddle choice will eventually be very appealing to ESPN or any other major sports network. Are you following sailor what the next ten years most likely hold?

That’s the best you can do when the facts show the truth?

Care to explain? You don’t understand or foresee the market dynamics and the shifts that are occurring? I’m guessing you don’t understand much if you don’t see what is on the horizon. But let me spell it out for you. The remaining premium schools in the AAC are going to leave (SMU, Memphis) and then you are going to be left with CUSA table scraps when it’s time to renegotiate your contract - with no leverage. Any of that resonate? If not, explain the flaw in my logic. Or is all you have?

Something I've observed lately: those speaking doom for the AAC almost always have to posit SMU, Memphis, and/or USF leaving in more realignment chaos, and Navy going independent (an unlikelihood I've discussed elsewhere) or Wichita State going to the A10, and THEN they'll be better than the AAC!!@!
It's like they know in their heart of hearts that even after losing three of our top programs, we STILL haven't dropped to their level.

As far as scraps...
The AAC took the last five consecutive CUSA football champs.
Average 2021 Massey Composite final ranking of AAC's CUSA additions: 84.17
Average 2021 Massey Composite final ranking of SBC's CUSA additions: 98.67
If we got "scraps" what does that make you?

Could more bad things happen to the AAC in realignment? Sure, but that is far from a given.
Until that point, yes, we've lost our clear advantage, head and shoulders above the G4. Closer to parity, now, so it's time to get up off the mat and rebuild our P6 advantage. But with enormous financial advantages over the G4, and stability in our ESPN deal, and incomparable exposure on ABC and ESPN, we just might be better positioned than in 2014. Future contracts? Just the structure of current deals nearly ensures that our viewership will remain better than the Sun Belt and therefore our future contracts will be better than the Sun Belt.

I'm concerned about the mwc, or even just one mwc team surging in 2023-25 as the new CFP is designed.
I'm not concerned about the Sun Belt at all.

Have a nice summer.

2010 - 2021
Using AP for rankings

Marshall
9 Winning Seasons
9 Bowl Games
6 - 3 Bowl record
Ranked 2 times - AP 15 and AP 18 - Finished season at AP 23
Winning Record versus AAC6

USM
7 Winning Seasons
5 Bowl Games
2-3 Bowl Record
Ranked 1 time - AP 20 - Finished season at AP 20
Winning Record versus AAC6

ODU
2 Winning Seasons
2 Bowl Games
1-1 Bowl Record
Never Ranked

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Charlotte
1 Winning Season
1 Bowl Game
0-1 Bowl Record
Never Ranked

FAU
3 Winning Seasons
3 Bowl Games
2-1 Bowl Record
Never Ranked

UTSA
5 Winning Seasons
3 Bowl Games
0-3 Bowl Record
Ranked 1 time - AP 15 - Finished season unranked

UAB
6 Winning Seasons
4 Bowl Games
2-2 Bowl Record
Never Ranked

North Texas
3 Winning Seasons
6 Bowl Games
1-5 Bowl Record
Never Ranked

Rice
3 Winning Seasons
3 Bowl Games
2-1 Bowl Record
Never Ranked

(08-01-2022 09:23 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 09:45 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 09:13 PM)Monarch Pride Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 08:54 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 08:40 PM)Monarch Pride Wrote:  The market and economics are still very fluid wouldn’t you say? Like any market, certain stocks are rising while others are declining. The AAC’s value is certainly changing as it loses Houston and Cincy, while adding CUSA teams to fill the void after being rebuffed by more desirable teams out west. I’m not sure a second fiddle choice will eventually be very appealing to ESPN or any other major sports network. Are you following sailor what the next ten years most likely hold?

That’s the best you can do when the facts show the truth?

Care to explain? You don’t understand or foresee the market dynamics and the shifts that are occurring? I’m guessing you don’t understand much if you don’t see what is on the horizon. But let me spell it out for you. The remaining premium schools in the AAC are going to leave (SMU, Memphis) and then you are going to be left with CUSA table scraps when it’s time to renegotiate your contract - with no leverage. Any of that resonate? If not, explain the flaw in my logic. Or is all you have?

Something I've observed lately: those speaking doom for the AAC almost always have to posit SMU, Memphis, and/or USF leaving in more realignment chaos, and Navy going independent (an unlikelihood I've discussed elsewhere) or Wichita State going to the A10, and THEN they'll be better than the AAC!!@!
It's like they know in their heart of hearts that even after losing three of our top programs, we STILL haven't dropped to their level.

As far as scraps...
The AAC took the last five consecutive CUSA football champs.
Average 2021 Massey Composite final ranking of AAC's CUSA additions: 84.17
Average 2021 Massey Composite final ranking of SBC's CUSA additions: 98.67
If we got "scraps" what does that make you?

Could more bad things happen to the AAC in realignment? Sure, but that is far from a given.
Until that point, yes, we've lost our clear advantage, head and shoulders above the G4. Closer to parity, now, so it's time to get up off the mat and rebuild our P6 advantage. But with enormous financial advantages over the G4, and stability in our ESPN deal, and incomparable exposure on ABC and ESPN, we just might be better positioned than in 2014. Future contracts? Just the structure of current deals nearly ensures that our viewership will remain better than the Sun Belt and therefore our future contracts will be better than the Sun Belt.

I'm concerned about the mwc, or even just one mwc team surging in 2023-25 as the new CFP is designed.
I'm not concerned about the Sun Belt at all.

Have a nice summer.

2010 - 2021
Using AP for rankings

Marshall
9 Winning Seasons
9 Bowl Games
6 - 3 Bowl record
Ranked 2 times - AP 15 and AP 18 - Finished season at AP 23
Winning Record versus AAC6

USM
7 Winning Seasons
5 Bowl Games
2-3 Bowl Record
Ranked 1 time - AP 20 - Finished season at AP 20
Winning Record versus AAC6

ODU
2 Winning Seasons
2 Bowl Games
1-1 Bowl Record
Never Ranked

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Charlotte
1 Winning Season
1 Bowl Game
0-1 Bowl Record
Never Ranked

FAU
3 Winning Seasons
3 Bowl Games
2-1 Bowl Record
Never Ranked

UTSA
5 Winning Seasons
3 Bowl Games
0-3 Bowl Record
Ranked 1 time - AP 15 - Finished season unranked

UAB
6 Winning Seasons
4 Bowl Games
2-2 Bowl Record
Never Ranked

North Texas
3 Winning Seasons
6 Bowl Games
1-5 Bowl Record
Never Ranked

Rice
3 Winning Seasons
3 Bowl Games
2-1 Bowl Record
Never Ranked

Actually, USM does not have a winning record against UTSA...

(07-27-2022 09:45 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 09:13 PM)Monarch Pride Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 08:54 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 08:40 PM)Monarch Pride Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 04:53 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  As noted, the numbers depicted show a big difference between the AAC and the other four.
And those numbers don't even reflect the AAC's new primary media rights deal. (The jump from 2018-2019 to 2019-2020 media revenue does include a reported $20 million advance "signing bonus.")
The AAC's 2020-2021 Form 990 isn't publically reported yet, but the media revenue has been - $52.16 million for the first year of the twelve-year deal. That was also the COVID-affected football season, and the AAC did not deliver full inventory to ESPN+.
CFP was also reduced in COVID 2020-2021 -- SBJ reported $77 million shared between the non-contract-bowl conferences, which probably works out to
AAC $22.6 million
mwc $15.4 million
Sun Belt $14.1 million
MAC $13 million
CUSA $11.8 million
Those numbers are consistent with previous analysis of the AAC distributions deducing CFP revenue and roughly with the CUSA "CFP" entry.

What about the Sun Belt? That $2.25 million media revenue in 2019-2020 is still very much a lagging indicator. SBJ reporting and financials from a single school (Louisiana if I remember correctly) have them most recently around $1.3 million per school or $13 million for the ten-team conference, having already started the announced in 2019 increase to 15 linear spots for football on the ESPN family.
Assume adding four teams came with a pro rata increase - that would be $18.2 million media for the conference.
Sun Belt media days announced that they would (again) increase their linear timeslots, without specific numbers. It stands to reason that increasing overall inventory could also increase ESPN's willingness to add linear timeslots proportionally, by 40-50%. That would give the Sun Belt just over half of the AAC's linear exposure on ESPN networks. Good for them, and I suppose that is "rising" but it is still just over half as good as the AAC before getting into ABC vs ESPN, and ABC/ESPN/ESPN2 vs ESPNU slots.
Would ESPN increase payout also? Seems to me that is giving the Sun Belt TWO contract improvements for the addition, but what if the money increased 40-50% also? That would put them around $25 million for the conference -- again, HALF of the AAC's. Despite "rising" the Sun Belt is still significantly behind the AAC legacy eight and still short of the AAC newbies' half-shares. The Sun Belt announcement said the deal still runs through 2031.

The mwc are also prior deal. The mwc current contract is about $45 million. They will have another new deal before either the AAC or Sun Belt. They could still get hit by trickle-down realignment. IF they don't and IF they double their former money, or even get 1.5 times the present deal not yet reflected in the released figures, the mwc will still be behind the AAC overall. Maybe a little ahead of the AAC newbies' smaller shares, but behind overall and behind the legacy eight.

The market and economics are still very fluid wouldn’t you say? Like any market, certain stocks are rising while others are declining. The AAC’s value is certainly changing as it loses Houston and Cincy, while adding CUSA teams to fill the void after being rebuffed by more desirable teams out west. I’m not sure a second fiddle choice will eventually be very appealing to ESPN or any other major sports network. Are you following sailor what the next ten years most likely hold?

That’s the best you can do when the facts show the truth?

Care to explain? You don’t understand or foresee the market dynamics and the shifts that are occurring? I’m guessing you don’t understand much if you don’t see what is on the horizon. But let me spell it out for you. The remaining premium schools in the AAC are going to leave (SMU, Memphis) and then you are going to be left with CUSA table scraps when it’s time to renegotiate your contract - with no leverage. Any of that resonate? If not, explain the flaw in my logic. Or is all you have?

Something I've observed lately: those speaking doom for the AAC almost always have to posit SMU, Memphis, and/or USF leaving in more realignment chaos, and Navy going independent (an unlikelihood I've discussed elsewhere) or Wichita State going to the A10, and THEN they'll be better than the AAC!!@!
It's like they know in their heart of hearts that even after losing three of our top programs, we STILL haven't dropped to their level.

So basically, if everything that could possibly go wrong goes wrong for the AAC for a decade, and everything that could go right goes right for the SBC over the next decade, SBC could pass the AAC. I agree that that is probably true.

(08-01-2022 09:44 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 09:45 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 09:13 PM)Monarch Pride Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 08:54 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 08:40 PM)Monarch Pride Wrote:  The market and economics are still very fluid wouldn’t you say? Like any market, certain stocks are rising while others are declining. The AAC’s value is certainly changing as it loses Houston and Cincy, while adding CUSA teams to fill the void after being rebuffed by more desirable teams out west. I’m not sure a second fiddle choice will eventually be very appealing to ESPN or any other major sports network. Are you following sailor what the next ten years most likely hold?

That’s the best you can do when the facts show the truth?

Care to explain? You don’t understand or foresee the market dynamics and the shifts that are occurring? I’m guessing you don’t understand much if you don’t see what is on the horizon. But let me spell it out for you. The remaining premium schools in the AAC are going to leave (SMU, Memphis) and then you are going to be left with CUSA table scraps when it’s time to renegotiate your contract - with no leverage. Any of that resonate? If not, explain the flaw in my logic. Or is all you have?

Something I've observed lately: those speaking doom for the AAC almost always have to posit SMU, Memphis, and/or USF leaving in more realignment chaos, and Navy going independent (an unlikelihood I've discussed elsewhere) or Wichita State going to the A10, and THEN they'll be better than the AAC!!@!
It's like they know in their heart of hearts that even after losing three of our top programs, we STILL haven't dropped to their level.

So basically, if every that could possibly go wrong goes wrong for the AAC for a decade, and everything that could go right goes right for the SBC over the next decade, SBC could pass the AAC. I agree that that is probably true.

The problem with that thinking, is that if the AAC does lose more members they are assuming that the AAC won’t be able to raid SBC etc of their better teams. AAC still has the best payout and tv exposure, it would be an attractive option for others to come in.
My point is let’s let it play out and see what happens, I just find it ridiculous that some posters from other boards feel the need to come here to try to sell the picture that they will end up better off in 10 years. If they know the future they should be buying lottery tickets instead.

(08-01-2022 09:37 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(08-01-2022 09:23 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 09:45 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 09:13 PM)Monarch Pride Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 08:54 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:   That’s the best you can do when the facts show the truth?

Care to explain? You don’t understand or foresee the market dynamics and the shifts that are occurring? I’m guessing you don’t understand much if you don’t see what is on the horizon. But let me spell it out for you. The remaining premium schools in the AAC are going to leave (SMU, Memphis) and then you are going to be left with CUSA table scraps when it’s time to renegotiate your contract - with no leverage. Any of that resonate? If not, explain the flaw in my logic. Or is all you have?

Something I've observed lately: those speaking doom for the AAC almost always have to posit SMU, Memphis, and/or USF leaving in more realignment chaos, and Navy going independent (an unlikelihood I've discussed elsewhere) or Wichita State going to the A10, and THEN they'll be better than the AAC!!@!
It's like they know in their heart of hearts that even after losing three of our top programs, we STILL haven't dropped to their level.

As far as scraps...
The AAC took the last five consecutive CUSA football champs.
Average 2021 Massey Composite final ranking of AAC's CUSA additions: 84.17
Average 2021 Massey Composite final ranking of SBC's CUSA additions: 98.67
If we got "scraps" what does that make you?

Could more bad things happen to the AAC in realignment? Sure, but that is far from a given.
Until that point, yes, we've lost our clear advantage, head and shoulders above the G4. Closer to parity, now, so it's time to get up off the mat and rebuild our P6 advantage. But with enormous financial advantages over the G4, and stability in our ESPN deal, and incomparable exposure on ABC and ESPN, we just might be better positioned than in 2014. Future contracts? Just the structure of current deals nearly ensures that our viewership will remain better than the Sun Belt and therefore our future contracts will be better than the Sun Belt.

I'm concerned about the mwc, or even just one mwc team surging in 2023-25 as the new CFP is designed.
I'm not concerned about the Sun Belt at all.

Have a nice summer.

2010 - 2021
Using AP for rankings

Marshall
9 Winning Seasons
9 Bowl Games
6 - 3 Bowl record
Ranked 2 times - AP 15 and AP 18 - Finished season at AP 23
Winning Record versus AAC6

USM
7 Winning Seasons
5 Bowl Games
2-3 Bowl Record
Ranked 1 time - AP 20 - Finished season at AP 20
Winning Record versus AAC6

ODU
2 Winning Seasons
2 Bowl Games
1-1 Bowl Record
Never Ranked

------------------------------------------

Charlotte
1 Winning Season
1 Bowl Game
0-1 Bowl Record
Never Ranked

FAU
3 Winning Seasons
3 Bowl Games
2-1 Bowl Record
Never Ranked

UTSA
5 Winning Seasons
3 Bowl Games
0-3 Bowl Record
Ranked 1 time - AP 15 - Finished season unranked

UAB
6 Winning Seasons
4 Bowl Games
2-2 Bowl Record
Never Ranked

North Texas
3 Winning Seasons
6 Bowl Games
1-5 Bowl Record
Never Ranked

Rice
3 Winning Seasons
3 Bowl Games
2-1 Bowl Record
Never Ranked

Actually, USM does not have a winning record against UTSA...

It's a 4 - 4 tie
http://www.winsipedia.com/southern-miss/vs/utsa

(07-31-2022 07:53 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  Jesu Christi in the Foothills. Monarch, go back to our board. Enough is enough. Not moderating on your board, fellas, just reigning my flock in. This has gotten stupid. There are PLENTY of things that can be said about ANY team that left CUSA for either conference to make them look pretty dumb.

Everything will eventually come out in the wash. Have a good night gentlemen.

Marshall is my shepherd...he makes me lie down in West Virginia pastures.

(08-01-2022 10:25 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(08-01-2022 09:37 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(08-01-2022 09:23 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 09:45 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 09:13 PM)Monarch Pride Wrote:  Care to explain? You don’t understand or foresee the market dynamics and the shifts that are occurring? I’m guessing you don’t understand much if you don’t see what is on the horizon. But let me spell it out for you. The remaining premium schools in the AAC are going to leave (SMU, Memphis) and then you are going to be left with CUSA table scraps when it’s time to renegotiate your contract - with no leverage. Any of that resonate? If not, explain the flaw in my logic. Or is all you have?

Something I've observed lately: those speaking doom for the AAC almost always have to posit SMU, Memphis, and/or USF leaving in more realignment chaos, and Navy going independent (an unlikelihood I've discussed elsewhere) or Wichita State going to the A10, and THEN they'll be better than the AAC!!@!
It's like they know in their heart of hearts that even after losing three of our top programs, we STILL haven't dropped to their level.

As far as scraps...
The AAC took the last five consecutive CUSA football champs.
Average 2021 Massey Composite final ranking of AAC's CUSA additions: 84.17
Average 2021 Massey Composite final ranking of SBC's CUSA additions: 98.67
If we got "scraps" what does that make you?

Could more bad things happen to the AAC in realignment? Sure, but that is far from a given.
Until that point, yes, we've lost our clear advantage, head and shoulders above the G4. Closer to parity, now, so it's time to get up off the mat and rebuild our P6 advantage. But with enormous financial advantages over the G4, and stability in our ESPN deal, and incomparable exposure on ABC and ESPN, we just might be better positioned than in 2014. Future contracts? Just the structure of current deals nearly ensures that our viewership will remain better than the Sun Belt and therefore our future contracts will be better than the Sun Belt.

I'm concerned about the mwc, or even just one mwc team surging in 2023-25 as the new CFP is designed.
I'm not concerned about the Sun Belt at all.

Have a nice summer.

2010 - 2021
Using AP for rankings

Marshall
9 Winning Seasons
9 Bowl Games
6 - 3 Bowl record
Ranked 2 times - AP 15 and AP 18 - Finished season at AP 23
Winning Record versus AAC6

USM
7 Winning Seasons
5 Bowl Games
2-3 Bowl Record
Ranked 1 time - AP 20 - Finished season at AP 20
Winning Record versus AAC6

ODU
2 Winning Seasons
2 Bowl Games
1-1 Bowl Record
Never Ranked

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Charlotte
1 Winning Season
1 Bowl Game
0-1 Bowl Record
Never Ranked

FAU
3 Winning Seasons
3 Bowl Games
2-1 Bowl Record
Never Ranked

UTSA
5 Winning Seasons
3 Bowl Games
0-3 Bowl Record
Ranked 1 time - AP 15 - Finished season unranked

UAB
6 Winning Seasons
4 Bowl Games
2-2 Bowl Record
Never Ranked

North Texas
3 Winning Seasons
6 Bowl Games
1-5 Bowl Record
Never Ranked

Rice
3 Winning Seasons
3 Bowl Games
2-1 Bowl Record
Never Ranked

Actually, USM does not have a winning record against UTSA...

It's a 4 - 4 tie
http://www.winsipedia.com/southern-miss/vs/utsa

Oh please USM wins this game all day every day. Winning record against almost all of the AAC including the outgoing programs, even during a down decade. We ruled the roost in the G5 before and we will again.

(08-01-2022 10:25 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(08-01-2022 09:37 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(08-01-2022 09:23 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 09:45 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 09:13 PM)Monarch Pride Wrote:  Care to explain? You don’t understand or foresee the market dynamics and the shifts that are occurring? I’m guessing you don’t understand much if you don’t see what is on the horizon. But let me spell it out for you. The remaining premium schools in the AAC are going to leave (SMU, Memphis) and then you are going to be left with CUSA table scraps when it’s time to renegotiate your contract - with no leverage. Any of that resonate? If not, explain the flaw in my logic. Or is all you have?

Something I've observed lately: those speaking doom for the AAC almost always have to posit SMU, Memphis, and/or USF leaving in more realignment chaos, and Navy going independent (an unlikelihood I've discussed elsewhere) or Wichita State going to the A10, and THEN they'll be better than the AAC!!@!
It's like they know in their heart of hearts that even after losing three of our top programs, we STILL haven't dropped to their level.

As far as scraps...
The AAC took the last five consecutive CUSA football champs.
Average 2021 Massey Composite final ranking of AAC's CUSA additions: 84.17
Average 2021 Massey Composite final ranking of SBC's CUSA additions: 98.67
If we got "scraps" what does that make you?

Could more bad things happen to the AAC in realignment? Sure, but that is far from a given.
Until that point, yes, we've lost our clear advantage, head and shoulders above the G4. Closer to parity, now, so it's time to get up off the mat and rebuild our P6 advantage. But with enormous financial advantages over the G4, and stability in our ESPN deal, and incomparable exposure on ABC and ESPN, we just might be better positioned than in 2014. Future contracts? Just the structure of current deals nearly ensures that our viewership will remain better than the Sun Belt and therefore our future contracts will be better than the Sun Belt.

I'm concerned about the mwc, or even just one mwc team surging in 2023-25 as the new CFP is designed.
I'm not concerned about the Sun Belt at all.

Have a nice summer.

2010 - 2021
Using AP for rankings

Marshall
9 Winning Seasons
9 Bowl Games
6 - 3 Bowl record
Ranked 2 times - AP 15 and AP 18 - Finished season at AP 23
Winning Record versus AAC6

USM
7 Winning Seasons
5 Bowl Games
2-3 Bowl Record
Ranked 1 time - AP 20 - Finished season at AP 20
Winning Record versus AAC6

ODU
2 Winning Seasons
2 Bowl Games
1-1 Bowl Record
Never Ranked

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Charlotte
1 Winning Season
1 Bowl Game
0-1 Bowl Record
Never Ranked

FAU
3 Winning Seasons
3 Bowl Games
2-1 Bowl Record
Never Ranked

UTSA
5 Winning Seasons
3 Bowl Games
0-3 Bowl Record
Ranked 1 time - AP 15 - Finished season unranked

UAB
6 Winning Seasons
4 Bowl Games
2-2 Bowl Record
Never Ranked

North Texas
3 Winning Seasons
6 Bowl Games
1-5 Bowl Record
Never Ranked

Rice
3 Winning Seasons
3 Bowl Games
2-1 Bowl Record
Never Ranked

Actually, USM does not have a winning record against UTSA...

It's a 4 - 4 tie
http://www.winsipedia.com/southern-miss/vs/utsa

Correct, my point still stands.
In addition, USM also does not have a winning record against UAB, UAB leads at 7 wins to 2.
2-2 versus Charlotte
1-1 versus FAU
North Texas leads the series at 5-4....

(08-01-2022 10:56 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(08-01-2022 10:25 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(08-01-2022 09:37 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(08-01-2022 09:23 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 09:45 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  Something I've observed lately: those speaking doom for the AAC almost always have to posit SMU, Memphis, and/or USF leaving in more realignment chaos, and Navy going independent (an unlikelihood I've discussed elsewhere) or Wichita State going to the A10, and THEN they'll be better than the AAC!!@!
It's like they know in their heart of hearts that even after losing three of our top programs, we STILL haven't dropped to their level.

As far as scraps...
The AAC took the last five consecutive CUSA football champs.
Average 2021 Massey Composite final ranking of AAC's CUSA additions: 84.17
Average 2021 Massey Composite final ranking of SBC's CUSA additions: 98.67
If we got "scraps" what does that make you?

Could more bad things happen to the AAC in realignment? Sure, but that is far from a given.
Until that point, yes, we've lost our clear advantage, head and shoulders above the G4. Closer to parity, now, so it's time to get up off the mat and rebuild our P6 advantage. But with enormous financial advantages over the G4, and stability in our ESPN deal, and incomparable exposure on ABC and ESPN, we just might be better positioned than in 2014. Future contracts? Just the structure of current deals nearly ensures that our viewership will remain better than the Sun Belt and therefore our future contracts will be better than the Sun Belt.

I'm concerned about the mwc, or even just one mwc team surging in 2023-25 as the new CFP is designed.
I'm not concerned about the Sun Belt at all.

Have a nice summer.

2010 - 2021
Using AP for rankings

Marshall
9 Winning Seasons
9 Bowl Games
6 - 3 Bowl record
Ranked 2 times - AP 15 and AP 18 - Finished season at AP 23
Winning Record versus AAC6

USM
7 Winning Seasons
5 Bowl Games
2-3 Bowl Record
Ranked 1 time - AP 20 - Finished season at AP 20
Winning Record versus AAC6

ODU
2 Winning Seasons
2 Bowl Games
1-1 Bowl Record
Never Ranked

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Charlotte
1 Winning Season
1 Bowl Game
0-1 Bowl Record
Never Ranked

FAU
3 Winning Seasons
3 Bowl Games
2-1 Bowl Record
Never Ranked

UTSA
5 Winning Seasons
3 Bowl Games
0-3 Bowl Record
Ranked 1 time - AP 15 - Finished season unranked

UAB
6 Winning Seasons
4 Bowl Games
2-2 Bowl Record
Never Ranked

North Texas
3 Winning Seasons
6 Bowl Games
1-5 Bowl Record
Never Ranked

Rice
3 Winning Seasons
3 Bowl Games
2-1 Bowl Record
Never Ranked

Actually, USM does not have a winning record against UTSA...

It's a 4 - 4 tie
http://www.winsipedia.com/southern-miss/vs/utsa

Correct, my point still stands.
In addition, USM also does not have a winning record against UAB, UAB leads at 7 wins to 2.
2-2 versus Charlotte
1-1 versus FAU
North Texas leads the series at 5-4....

11-8 against UAB...I know you young programs don't know the tradition of the sport and all but it matters...we won 9 straight against UAB at one point. A down decade of USM football and we still lead the all time series against UAB.

(08-01-2022 10:56 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(08-01-2022 10:25 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(08-01-2022 09:37 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(08-01-2022 09:23 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 09:45 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  Something I've observed lately: those speaking doom for the AAC almost always have to posit SMU, Memphis, and/or USF leaving in more realignment chaos, and Navy going independent (an unlikelihood I've discussed elsewhere) or Wichita State going to the A10, and THEN they'll be better than the AAC!!@!
It's like they know in their heart of hearts that even after losing three of our top programs, we STILL haven't dropped to their level.

As far as scraps...
The AAC took the last five consecutive CUSA football champs.
Average 2021 Massey Composite final ranking of AAC's CUSA additions: 84.17
Average 2021 Massey Composite final ranking of SBC's CUSA additions: 98.67
If we got "scraps" what does that make you?

Could more bad things happen to the AAC in realignment? Sure, but that is far from a given.
Until that point, yes, we've lost our clear advantage, head and shoulders above the G4. Closer to parity, now, so it's time to get up off the mat and rebuild our P6 advantage. But with enormous financial advantages over the G4, and stability in our ESPN deal, and incomparable exposure on ABC and ESPN, we just might be better positioned than in 2014. Future contracts? Just the structure of current deals nearly ensures that our viewership will remain better than the Sun Belt and therefore our future contracts will be better than the Sun Belt.

I'm concerned about the mwc, or even just one mwc team surging in 2023-25 as the new CFP is designed.
I'm not concerned about the Sun Belt at all.

Have a nice summer.

2010 - 2021
Using AP for rankings

Marshall
9 Winning Seasons
9 Bowl Games
6 - 3 Bowl record
Ranked 2 times - AP 15 and AP 18 - Finished season at AP 23
Winning Record versus AAC6

USM
7 Winning Seasons
5 Bowl Games
2-3 Bowl Record
Ranked 1 time - AP 20 - Finished season at AP 20
Winning Record versus AAC6

ODU
2 Winning Seasons
2 Bowl Games
1-1 Bowl Record
Never Ranked

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Charlotte
1 Winning Season
1 Bowl Game
0-1 Bowl Record
Never Ranked

FAU
3 Winning Seasons
3 Bowl Games
2-1 Bowl Record
Never Ranked

UTSA
5 Winning Seasons
3 Bowl Games
0-3 Bowl Record
Ranked 1 time - AP 15 - Finished season unranked

UAB
6 Winning Seasons
4 Bowl Games
2-2 Bowl Record
Never Ranked

North Texas
3 Winning Seasons
6 Bowl Games
1-5 Bowl Record
Never Ranked

Rice
3 Winning Seasons
3 Bowl Games
2-1 Bowl Record
Never Ranked

Actually, USM does not have a winning record against UTSA...

It's a 4 - 4 tie
http://www.winsipedia.com/southern-miss/vs/utsa

Correct, my point still stands.
In addition, USM also does not have a winning record against UAB, UAB leads at 7 wins to 2.
2-2 versus Charlotte
1-1 versus FAU
North Texas leads the series at 5-4....

Oof I would have never guessed pre-shutdown UAB 2010-2014 went 3-1 against them. The 4-1 post shutdown is expected. With money ruling the
roost lately, I’m glad to be in the position UAB is in over the position USM is in. I fail to see how they can keep up on the facilities race as UAB has. Their stadium and basketball arena are third world compared to what we now have. And their budget is about half of ours. Don’t see them keeping up anymore. I do wish the best for them and would hope they’d dominate the SBC in the future but idk. I also hope we schedule some home-and-homes with them. But yeah, trajectories are much different