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RE: Top 25 All Time Tiger's Basketball Teams
(08-01-2022 10:04 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  
(08-01-2022 09:51 AM)jsw3ent Wrote:  I am going to PRETEND that BEAUTIFUL BOBBY didn't get hurt--I will say that team

The next team would be Mr. Lee/Bedford/Holmes/Turner/Askew/Boyd/Becton-----------Great Caesars Ghost what TALENT what a team---Oh yeah lets not forget they had a coach by the name of DANA KIRK---the best we ever had

Bobby wasn’t on the 85 team

I know that--thats why I listed that team separate ----thats why I stated the next team
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RE: Top 25 All Time Tiger's Basketball Teams
(08-01-2022 10:04 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  
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(07-31-2022 08:44 PM)450bench Wrote:  84-85

07-08

72-73

92 team

87 team

2008 played a much tougher schedule, lost 2 less games despite playing 6 more games, and outscored opponents by an average of 18 points, and were 2 baskets away from being undefeated. 1985 lost to South Carolina and Detroit Mercy, and barely beat Boston College and UAB.

2008 completely shut down Drew Neitzel, Darren Collison, DJ Augustin, and AJ Abrams. 2008 would have destroyed Turner and Askew. 2008 beats 1985 by 15.

Depends on what the rules are. Shot clock? 3 point shot? Turner was smaller but Askew was 6-5 and a sculpted tank. He was able to guard Jordan really well when he was in Seattle. Plus Cal never played zone and Lee would have given them trouble

No shot clock or 3 point shot would have made it impossible for 1985 to get the ball inside. Rose and Anderson were so long, they could have packed it in and dared both to shoot.

Lee fouled out of 2 games and had 4 fouls in the other. If you double the number of possessions, there is no way Lee lasts in any of the games, and this doesn't take into account how slow he was getting up and down the court, much slower than Kevin Love. Also, if you halve the number of possessions, you more than likely keep Dorsey out of any appreciable foul trouble.

With the shot clock and 3 point line, it would have been a massacre.

We know for sure that Turner would never score and Askew only averaged 8.3 points per game. Turner was a smaller version of Collison and Augustin.

In the 4 games against UAB, Boston College, Oklahoma and Villanova, Askew scored a TOTAL of 7 points, against guards that weren't half as good as what 2008 faced.

Dorsey and Dozier also had foul issues. Don’t get me wrong I think the 2008 team was better but let’s not act like Bedford and Lee or even Turner were chopped liver

Not saying that at all. Just saying that if Rose and Anderson could guard 2-3 feet closer to the basket while only giving up 2 points, and there were half the number of possessions, they would have been in less foul trouble than they were. Michigan State, Texas, UCLA and Kansas all had elite shooters, and they shot a combined 29.6% against us from outside. Askew scored 7 points in the last 4 games. Turner was great, but we completely destroyed little guards with NBA talent the entire tournament.
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(08-01-2022 10:02 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(08-01-2022 09:51 AM)jsw3ent Wrote:  I am going to PRETEND that BEAUTIFUL BOBBY didn't get hurt--I will say that team

The next team would be Mr. Lee/Bedford/Holmes/Turner/Askew/Boyd/Becton-----------Great Caesars Ghost what TALENT what a team

Pretend he didn't get hurt? No excuses, the team should have been exactly the same with or without him. See how completely stupid that sounds? You still can't resist mentioning the injury because you know it was a huge blow to the team.

In 1985, Boyd averaged 2.9 points and Becton averaged 5.2 points. The next three off of the bench were Wilfong, Bailey and McCoy. 2008 had Mack, Taggart, Kemp and Allen. It would have been a bloodbath.

Hey I did the PRETEND in your honor --following your lead ---You are teaching the board how to PRETEND on ALL THINGS TIGERS

Fair enough. You are pretending that he played and you think 1984 was exactly the same with or without him; he made no difference, no excuses. Either is dumb, you are versatile, we get it.

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RE: Top 25 All Time Tiger's Basketball Teams
(08-01-2022 10:17 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(08-01-2022 10:06 AM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
(08-01-2022 10:02 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(08-01-2022 09:51 AM)jsw3ent Wrote:  I am going to PRETEND that BEAUTIFUL BOBBY didn't get hurt--I will say that team

The next team would be Mr. Lee/Bedford/Holmes/Turner/Askew/Boyd/Becton-----------Great Caesars Ghost what TALENT what a team

Pretend he didn't get hurt? No excuses, the team should have been exactly the same with or without him. See how completely stupid that sounds? You still can't resist mentioning the injury because you know it was a huge blow to the team.

In 1985, Boyd averaged 2.9 points and Becton averaged 5.2 points. The next three off of the bench were Wilfong, Bailey and McCoy. 2008 had Mack, Taggart, Kemp and Allen. It would have been a bloodbath.

Hey I did the PRETEND in your honor --following your lead ---You are teaching the board how to PRETEND on ALL THINGS TIGERS

Fair enough. You are pretending that he played and you think 1984 was exactly the same with or without him; he made no difference, no excuses. Either is dumb, you are versatile, we get it.

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BEAUTIFUL BOBBY doesn't get hurt we are NATIONAL CHAMPIONS ---but he did GET HURT---just like covid hit the fb team--like coxie/gainwell etc wasn't on that team--just like we did have injuries ---------BUT BUT BUT all you ever offer is EXCUSES EXCUSES----the PRETENDER -IF IF IF is all you ever say ---I agree PRETENDING is fun --I PRETENDED that BEAUTIFUL BOBBY didn't get hurt ---I learned how to do that PRETENDING thing from all your teachings/posts -----always excuses---always IF ONLY

I think the 84/85 teams with Kirk---would beat 08-----but thats just my opinion Mr. STAMMERS
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What about top players by position? Admittedly, I don't know enough about the players pre-1980: finch, barton, anderson, cdr, tyreke
1 - Rose
2 - Finch (tough call)
3 - CDR
4 - Lee
5 - Duren (controversial?)
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RE: Top 25 All Time Tiger's Basketball Teams
(08-01-2022 10:30 AM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
(08-01-2022 10:17 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(08-01-2022 10:06 AM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
(08-01-2022 10:02 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(08-01-2022 09:51 AM)jsw3ent Wrote:  I am going to PRETEND that BEAUTIFUL BOBBY didn't get hurt--I will say that team

The next team would be Mr. Lee/Bedford/Holmes/Turner/Askew/Boyd/Becton-----------Great Caesars Ghost what TALENT what a team

Pretend he didn't get hurt? No excuses, the team should have been exactly the same with or without him. See how completely stupid that sounds? You still can't resist mentioning the injury because you know it was a huge blow to the team.

In 1985, Boyd averaged 2.9 points and Becton averaged 5.2 points. The next three off of the bench were Wilfong, Bailey and McCoy. 2008 had Mack, Taggart, Kemp and Allen. It would have been a bloodbath.

Hey I did the PRETEND in your honor --following your lead ---You are teaching the board how to PRETEND on ALL THINGS TIGERS

Fair enough. You are pretending that he played and you think 1984 was exactly the same with or without him; he made no difference, no excuses. Either is dumb, you are versatile, we get it.

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BEAUTIFUL BOBBY doesn't get hurt we are NATIONAL CHAMPIONS ---but he did GET HURT---just like covid hit the fb team--like coxie/gainwell etc wasn't on that team--just like we did have injuries ---------BUT BUT BUT all you ever offer is EXCUSES EXCUSES----the PRETENDER -IF IF IF is all you ever say ---I agree PRETENDING is fun --I PRETENDED that BEAUTIFUL BOBBY didn't get hurt ---I learned how to do that PRETENDING thing from all your teachings/posts -----always excuses---always IF ONLY

I think the 84/85 teams with Kirk---would beat 08-----but thats just my opinion Mr. STAMMERS

Quote:BEAUTIFUL BOBBY doesn't get hurt we are NATIONAL CHAMPIONS

You believe this?
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(08-01-2022 10:34 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  What about top players by position? Admittedly, I don't know enough about the players pre-1980: finch, barton, anderson, cdr, tyreke
1 - Rose
2 - Finch (tough call)
3 - CDR
4 - Lee
5 - Duren (controversial?)

Yeah this all fun and messing around. So after saying that, Duren at 5? Heck Achiuwa is a better 5 than Duren. I loved both those guys though. They were solid 5's for the Tigers recently.
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(08-01-2022 10:45 AM)tigerlands Wrote:  
(08-01-2022 10:34 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  What about top players by position? Admittedly, I don't know enough about the players pre-1980: finch, barton, anderson, cdr, tyreke
1 - Rose
2 - Finch (tough call)
3 - CDR
4 - Lee
5 - Duren (controversial?)

Yeah this all fun and messing around. So after saying that, Duren at 5? Heck Achiuwa is a better 5 than Duren. I loved both those guys though. They were solid 5's for the Tigers recently.

Hard to believe a list without Penny. But yeah, this is solid. I'd be pretty optimistic with these 5 on the court.
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RE: Top 25 All Time Tiger's Basketball Teams
(08-01-2022 10:57 AM)gusrob Wrote:  
(08-01-2022 10:45 AM)tigerlands Wrote:  
(08-01-2022 10:34 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  What about top players by position? Admittedly, I don't know enough about the players pre-1980: finch, barton, anderson, cdr, tyreke
1 - Rose
2 - Finch (tough call)
3 - CDR
4 - Lee
5 - Duren (controversial?)

Yeah this all fun and messing around. So after saying that, Duren at 5? Heck Achiuwa is a better 5 than Duren. I loved both those guys though. They were solid 5's for the Tigers recently.

Hard to believe a list without Penny. But yeah, this is solid. I'd be pretty optimistic with these 5 on the court.

Kenon has to be on the list somewhere
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RE: Top 25 All Time Tiger's Basketball Teams
(08-01-2022 10:15 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(08-01-2022 10:04 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  
(08-01-2022 09:50 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(08-01-2022 08:09 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  
(08-01-2022 12:38 AM)Stammers Wrote:  2008 played a much tougher schedule, lost 2 less games despite playing 6 more games, and outscored opponents by an average of 18 points, and were 2 baskets away from being undefeated. 1985 lost to South Carolina and Detroit Mercy, and barely beat Boston College and UAB.

2008 completely shut down Drew Neitzel, Darren Collison, DJ Augustin, and AJ Abrams. 2008 would have destroyed Turner and Askew. 2008 beats 1985 by 15.

Depends on what the rules are. Shot clock? 3 point shot? Turner was smaller but Askew was 6-5 and a sculpted tank. He was able to guard Jordan really well when he was in Seattle. Plus Cal never played zone and Lee would have given them trouble

No shot clock or 3 point shot would have made it impossible for 1985 to get the ball inside. Rose and Anderson were so long, they could have packed it in and dared both to shoot.

Lee fouled out of 2 games and had 4 fouls in the other. If you double the number of possessions, there is no way Lee lasts in any of the games, and this doesn't take into account how slow he was getting up and down the court, much slower than Kevin Love. Also, if you halve the number of possessions, you more than likely keep Dorsey out of any appreciable foul trouble.

With the shot clock and 3 point line, it would have been a massacre.

We know for sure that Turner would never score and Askew only averaged 8.3 points per game. Turner was a smaller version of Collison and Augustin.

In the 4 games against UAB, Boston College, Oklahoma and Villanova, Askew scored a TOTAL of 7 points, against guards that weren't half as good as what 2008 faced.

Dorsey and Dozier also had foul issues. Don’t get me wrong I think the 2008 team was better but let’s not act like Bedford and Lee or even Turner were chopped liver

Not saying that at all. Just saying that if Rose and Anderson could guard 2-3 feet closer to the basket while only giving up 2 points, and there were half the number of possessions, they would have been in less foul trouble than they were. Michigan State, Texas, UCLA and Kansas all had elite shooters, and they shot a combined 29.6% against us from outside. Askew scored 7 points in the last 4 games. Turner was great, but we completely destroyed little guards with NBA talent the entire tournament.

I don’t disagree with any of that. I think the coaching matchup would be off the charts
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RE: Top 25 All Time Tiger's Basketball Teams
(08-01-2022 04:03 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
(08-01-2022 10:57 AM)gusrob Wrote:  
(08-01-2022 10:45 AM)tigerlands Wrote:  
(08-01-2022 10:34 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  What about top players by position? Admittedly, I don't know enough about the players pre-1980: finch, barton, anderson, cdr, tyreke
1 - Rose
2 - Finch (tough call)
3 - CDR
4 - Lee
5 - Duren (controversial?)

Yeah this all fun and messing around. So after saying that, Duren at 5? Heck Achiuwa is a better 5 than Duren. I loved both those guys though. They were solid 5's for the Tigers recently.

Hard to believe a list without Penny. But yeah, this is solid. I'd be pretty optimistic with these 5 on the court.

Kenon has to be on the list somewhere

At the top

Rose and Kenon I put as far as talented over everyone except Penny and maybe even more talented than Penny
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didnt william bedford play basketball for memphis ?
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(08-01-2022 05:58 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  
(08-01-2022 10:15 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(08-01-2022 10:04 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  
(08-01-2022 09:50 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(08-01-2022 08:09 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  Depends on what the rules are. Shot clock? 3 point shot? Turner was smaller but Askew was 6-5 and a sculpted tank. He was able to guard Jordan really well when he was in Seattle. Plus Cal never played zone and Lee would have given them trouble

No shot clock or 3 point shot would have made it impossible for 1985 to get the ball inside. Rose and Anderson were so long, they could have packed it in and dared both to shoot.

Lee fouled out of 2 games and had 4 fouls in the other. If you double the number of possessions, there is no way Lee lasts in any of the games, and this doesn't take into account how slow he was getting up and down the court, much slower than Kevin Love. Also, if you halve the number of possessions, you more than likely keep Dorsey out of any appreciable foul trouble.

With the shot clock and 3 point line, it would have been a massacre.

We know for sure that Turner would never score and Askew only averaged 8.3 points per game. Turner was a smaller version of Collison and Augustin.

In the 4 games against UAB, Boston College, Oklahoma and Villanova, Askew scored a TOTAL of 7 points, against guards that weren't half as good as what 2008 faced.

Dorsey and Dozier also had foul issues. Don’t get me wrong I think the 2008 team was better but let’s not act like Bedford and Lee or even Turner were chopped liver

Not saying that at all. Just saying that if Rose and Anderson could guard 2-3 feet closer to the basket while only giving up 2 points, and there were half the number of possessions, they would have been in less foul trouble than they were. Michigan State, Texas, UCLA and Kansas all had elite shooters, and they shot a combined 29.6% against us from outside. Askew scored 7 points in the last 4 games. Turner was great, but we completely destroyed little guards with NBA talent the entire tournament.

I don’t disagree with any of that. I think the coaching matchup would be off the charts

I think in an apples for apples comparison, yes. But Detroit Mercy and Askew scoring 7 points in 4 games make me think Dana was up to something.
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RE: Top 25 All Time Tiger's Basketball Teams
(08-01-2022 06:05 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  
(08-01-2022 04:03 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
(08-01-2022 10:57 AM)gusrob Wrote:  
(08-01-2022 10:45 AM)tigerlands Wrote:  
(08-01-2022 10:34 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  What about top players by position? Admittedly, I don't know enough about the players pre-1980: finch, barton, anderson, cdr, tyreke
1 - Rose
2 - Finch (tough call)
3 - CDR
4 - Lee
5 - Duren (controversial?)

Yeah this all fun and messing around. So after saying that, Duren at 5? Heck Achiuwa is a better 5 than Duren. I loved both those guys though. They were solid 5's for the Tigers recently.

Hard to believe a list without Penny. But yeah, this is solid. I'd be pretty optimistic with these 5 on the court.

Kenon has to be on the list somewhere

At the top

Rose and Kenon I put as far as talented over everyone except Penny and maybe even more talented than Penny

Nah. It starts with Lee. Was Kenon more a 4 or 5? Because he ain't displacing Lee at 4.
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(08-01-2022 08:54 PM)Unionman76 Wrote:  didnt william bedford play basketball for memphis ?

That's the tough call for me - Bedford, Lorenzen or Duren. I went with Duren. As a frosh, I just think he was further along. Difference is, we don't get to see him 1-2 more years like the others.
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(08-01-2022 10:57 AM)gusrob Wrote:  
(08-01-2022 10:45 AM)tigerlands Wrote:  
(08-01-2022 10:34 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  What about top players by position? Admittedly, I don't know enough about the players pre-1980: finch, barton, anderson, cdr, tyreke
1 - Rose
2 - Finch (tough call)
3 - CDR
4 - Lee
5 - Duren (controversial?)

Yeah this all fun and messing around. So after saying that, Duren at 5? Heck Achiuwa is a better 5 than Duren. I loved both those guys though. They were solid 5's for the Tigers recently.

Hard to believe a list without Penny. But yeah, this is solid. I'd be pretty optimistic with these 5 on the court.

Yeah, Penny or Finch at the 2. I went with Finch. But if you want to call Penny a 3, maybe him over CDR?
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(08-01-2022 10:45 AM)tigerlands Wrote:  
(08-01-2022 10:34 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  What about top players by position? Admittedly, I don't know enough about the players pre-1980: finch, barton, anderson, cdr, tyreke
1 - Rose
2 - Finch (tough call)
3 - CDR
4 - Lee
5 - Duren (controversial?)

Yeah this all fun and messing around. So after saying that, Duren at 5? Heck Achiuwa is a better 5 than Duren. I loved both those guys though. They were solid 5's for the Tigers recently.

Precious was not a better 5 than Duren. Precious was a 4 forced to play the 5. He played out of position and did it well. But Duren beats him at that position.
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(07-26-2022 04:59 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  1973 has to be in the top 3. 1972 needs to be on the list. The 1957 NIT finals teams isn’t even listed. Did a kid do this ? They forget the NIT was BIG in 1957 as big as the NCAA

Bigger at the time. Most conference champions chose the NIT invitation over the NCAA tournament.
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(07-26-2022 04:59 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  1973 has to be in the top 3. 1972 needs to be on the list. The 1957 NIT finals teams isn’t even listed. Did a kid do this ? They forget the NIT was BIG in 1957 as big as the NCAA

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Its been almost 40 years and we have never had a post player the caliber of Keith Lee.

Even his Sr year when he was struggling more on defense and foul prone, he was a multidimensional machine offensively with great touch all over the court and a great FT shooter.

He had such soft hands and such a skill level scoring the basketball.
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