What I want to see is the top 5 reasons from tanqtonic & AdoptedMonarch they feel the way they do on Trump. I'm not talking about the bullcrap answers, sleaze, unfit, or any other adjective. For once I would love to see the Trump haters give a list (dont have to stop at 5)and back their list up with their words...not the MSM's generic bullcrap that keeps changing and you cant pin down.

If not 5 do a top 3 reasons because honestly I dont think I've seen that from either of you. I've seen runs his mouth, lost a debate, sleaze, talks too much, didnt stand up to the democrats and media on COVID. All of those are reasons he could have loss the election....

none explain your personal feeling on hating the man

Look at it this way, the next time someone questions you on this you have a record that you can point to and a quick copy and paste. If that's already out there then do that now.

(07-25-2022 01:16 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  What I want to see is the top 5 reasons from tanqtonic & AdoptedMonarch they feel the way they do on Trump. I'm not talking about the bullcrap answers, sleaze, unfit, or any other adjective. For once I would love to see the Trump haters give a list (dont have to stop at 5)and back their list up with their words...not the MSM's generic bullcrap that keeps changing and you cant pin down.

If not 5 do a top 3 reasons because honestly I dont think I've seen that from either of you. I've seen runs his mouth, lost a debate, sleaze, talks too much, didnt stand up to the democrats and media on COVID. All of those are reasons he could have loss the election....

none explain your personal feeling on hating the man

Look at it this way, the next time someone questions you on this you have a record that you can point to and a quick copy and paste. If that's already out there then do that now.

They have nothing, other than "BUT MUH FEELZ"

(07-25-2022 01:16 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  What I want to see is the top 5 reasons from tanqtonic & AdoptedMonarch they feel the way they do on Trump. I'm not talking about the bullcrap answers, sleaze, unfit, or any other adjective. For once I would love to see the Trump haters give a list (dont have to stop at 5)and back their list up with their words...not the MSM's generic bullcrap that keeps changing and you cant pin down.

If not 5 do a top 3 reasons because honestly I dont think I've seen that from either of you. I've seen runs his mouth, lost a debate, sleaze, talks too much, didnt stand up to the democrats and media on COVID. All of those are reasons he could have loss the election....

none explain your personal feeling on hating the man

Look at it this way, the next time someone questions you on this you have a record that you can point to and a quick copy and paste. If that's already out there then do that now.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-951515-page-5.html ... Post #97... 3rd red-colored arrow point.

There is a reason that pride, wrath and sloth are three of the 7 deadly sins. President Trump had plenty of opportunity to adjust his approach, and lots smart advisors pleading with him to do so. He failed - - #hencePresidentPoopypants.

That's all you get, WKUYG. I am always open to honest dialogue, but I do not answers to summonses from you.

(07-25-2022 01:24 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(07-25-2022 01:16 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  What I want to see is the top 5 reasons from tanqtonic & AdoptedMonarch they feel the way they do on Trump. I'm not talking about the bullcrap answers, sleaze, unfit, or any other adjective. For once I would love to see the Trump haters give a list (dont have to stop at 5)and back their list up with their words...not the MSM's generic bullcrap that keeps changing and you cant pin down.

If not 5 do a top 3 reasons because honestly I dont think I've seen that from either of you. I've seen runs his mouth, lost a debate, sleaze, talks too much, didnt stand up to the democrats and media on COVID. All of those are reasons he could have loss the election....

none explain your personal feeling on hating the man

Look at it this way, the next time someone questions you on this you have a record that you can point to and a quick copy and paste. If that's already out there then do that now.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-951515-page-5.html ... Post #97... 3rd red-colored arrow point.

There is a reason that pride, wrath and sloth are three of the 7 deadly sins. President Trump had plenty of opportunity to adjust his approach, and lots smart advisors pleading with him to do so. He failed - - #hencePresidentPoopypants.

That's all you get, WKUYG. I am always open to honest dialogue, but I do not answers to summonses from you.

No one was trying to make you do anything I ASKED and its you that's refusing to be open to honest dialogue. Sometimes we dont have answers so you could have just said...

because I feel that way

Come on you are noting being completely honest because from your post about the man you hated him way before any of the below. So its your feelings? Everything you posted below is just a

Quote:—> I’ve been through this many times before. So I’m going to offer only a snippet listing. But I think you will follow. He should have: (i) acted “more presidential”, like he promised he would; (ii) selected cabinet members and advisors for their talent and experience, and not because they were the best suck ups; (iii) NOT be taken in by obvious frauds and moles like Fauci and Comey, goddammit; (iv) relied on campaign professionals to handle the ground game, instead of thinking that he could sway everyone via preening rallies; (v) hired real talent to address the claims of electoral fraud, instead of a drunk, ugly and stupid Rudy Giuliani; and (vi) been at least a little bit of a team player post-election, and not pretty much singlehandedly eff’ing up both Georgia runoffs.

Those with TDS don't seem to understand that Trump was going to be cheated no matter what happened. There isn't a number of votes Trump could've had that would've stopped Biden from being elected. He literally had more votes than any candidate in history EXCEPT for Biden supposedly. More minority votes than any other Rep candidate. Trump also Won all of the bellwether counties if I recall correctly. It doesn't matter what he did, the left would've found 1 more vote in the states that mattered.

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(07-25-2022 01:16 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  What I want to see is the top 5 reasons from tanqtonic & AdoptedMonarch they feel the way they do on Trump. I'm not talking about the bullcrap answers, sleaze, unfit, or any other adjective. For once I would love to see the Trump haters give a list (dont have to stop at 5)and back their list up with their words...not the MSM's generic bullcrap that keeps changing and you cant pin down.

If not 5 do a top 3 reasons because honestly I dont think I've seen that from either of you. I've seen runs his mouth, lost a debate, sleaze, talks too much, didnt stand up to the democrats and media on COVID. All of those are reasons he could have loss the election....

none explain your personal feeling on hating the man

Look at it this way, the next time someone questions you on this you have a record that you can point to and a quick copy and paste. If that's already out there then do that now.

There is one overriding objection to him from my perspective.

I think in the events of Jan 6, he fundamentally abdicated his role of President, and did so to promote a self-serving goal. There is no way a person in that office can: a) watch the riot progress for three hours and do nothing; or b) tweet out in that 3 hours an attack on Pence, and on the process of certification without being in dereliction of his oath to the office.

I think as such, he is fundamentally unfit for the office. There are reports that when Mark Meadows said to him that Pence was liable to be hung, Trump responded that 'maybe its right that he gets hanged' (paraphrase). I wont tag him with that statement, since it is hearsay. And Meadows is fighting tooth and nail to evade any subpoena. If that comment is true, it adds on to the stuff listed above.

He used the office in that manner in nothing but what could be described conservatively as a 'self-serving' manner.

I could care less that he runs his mouth, tweets mean tweets, is a sleaze, rattles off lie after lie, or, is kind of absolutely ignorant of much of the other nuances of the rule of law.

I supported every effort he made to fight the election results -- he has that right.
Many of them were fing bat **** crazy, but he still has that right. I dont think he 'incited' the riot, and I actually support a large number of his policies and achievements.

But, I rate him with the likes of Richard Nixon in how he subverted the Office of the President in that timeframe.

Straightforward enough WUKYG?

(07-25-2022 01:40 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-25-2022 01:24 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(07-25-2022 01:16 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  What I want to see is the top 5 reasons from tanqtonic & AdoptedMonarch they feel the way they do on Trump. I'm not talking about the bullcrap answers, sleaze, unfit, or any other adjective. For once I would love to see the Trump haters give a list (dont have to stop at 5)and back their list up with their words...not the MSM's generic bullcrap that keeps changing and you cant pin down.

If not 5 do a top 3 reasons because honestly I dont think I've seen that from either of you. I've seen runs his mouth, lost a debate, sleaze, talks too much, didnt stand up to the democrats and media on COVID. All of those are reasons he could have loss the election....

none explain your personal feeling on hating the man

Look at it this way, the next time someone questions you on this you have a record that you can point to and a quick copy and paste. If that's already out there then do that now.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-951515-page-5.html ... Post #97... 3rd red-colored arrow point.

There is a reason that pride, wrath and sloth are three of the 7 deadly sins. President Trump had plenty of opportunity to adjust his approach, and lots smart advisors pleading with him to do so. He failed - - #hencePresidentPoopypants.

That's all you get, WKUYG. I am always open to honest dialogue, but I do not answers to summonses from you.

No one was trying to make you do anything I ASKED and its you that's refusing to be open to honest dialogue. Sometimes we dont have answers so you could have just said...

because I feel that way

Come on you are noting being completely honest because from your post about the man you hated him way before any of the below. So its your feelings? Everything you posted below is just a

Quote:—> I’ve been through this many times before. So I’m going to offer only a snippet listing. But I think you will follow. He should have: (i) acted “more presidential”, like he promised he would; (ii) selected cabinet members and advisors for their talent and experience, and not because they were the best suck ups; (iii) NOT be taken in by obvious frauds and moles like Fauci and Comey, goddammit; (iv) relied on campaign professionals to handle the ground game, instead of thinking that he could sway everyone via preening rallies; (v) hired real talent to address the claims of electoral fraud, instead of a drunk, ugly and stupid Rudy Giuliani; and (vi) been at least a little bit of a team player post-election, and not pretty much singlehandedly eff’ing up both Georgia runoffs.

The dishonest one in this back-and-forth is you, WKUYG. And it is nothing new.

You start with the premise that I personally hate Donald Trump. You have never met me and have no basis of knowing whether that is true. It might be. Or it might be that I am so over-the-top upset by what he allowed to happen to this nation - - needlessly and purely out of arrogance, spite and laziness - - that I have developed a hatred for the man that didn't previously exist.

The fact that I voted for him in 2020 suggests that you are wrong in your assumption that my dislike for him is sourced from some irrational hatred. But I can't make you be someone who you are not - - i.e., an honest person. It is just not in you.

So, I won't try. Instead I will return the favor of hitting you with a b.s. assumption - - tell us all, WKUYG, how did your transition surgery go? Don't deny that you didn't have it. We all know that this is the root of your unhappiness on this board.

(07-25-2022 01:52 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-25-2022 01:16 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  What I want to see is the top 5 reasons from tanqtonic & AdoptedMonarch they feel the way they do on Trump. I'm not talking about the bullcrap answers, sleaze, unfit, or any other adjective. For once I would love to see the Trump haters give a list (dont have to stop at 5)and back their list up with their words...not the MSM's generic bullcrap that keeps changing and you cant pin down.

If not 5 do a top 3 reasons because honestly I dont think I've seen that from either of you. I've seen runs his mouth, lost a debate, sleaze, talks too much, didnt stand up to the democrats and media on COVID. All of those are reasons he could have loss the election....

none explain your personal feeling on hating the man

Look at it this way, the next time someone questions you on this you have a record that you can point to and a quick copy and paste. If that's already out there then do that now.

There is one overriding objection to him from my perspective.

I think in the events of Jan 6, he fundamentally abdicated his role of President, and did so to promote a self-serving goal. There is no way a person in that office can: a) watch the riot progress for three hours and do nothing; or b) tweet out in that 3 hours an attack on Pence, and on the process of certification without being in dereliction of his oath to the office.

I think as such, he is fundamentally unfit for the office. There are reports that when Mark Meadows said to him that Pence was liable to be hung, Trump responded that 'maybe its right that he gets hanged' (paraphrase). I wont tag him with that statement, since it is hearsay. And Meadows is fighting tooth and nail to evade any subpoena. If that comment is true, it adds on to the stuff listed above.

He used the office in that manner in nothing but what could be described conservatively as a 'self-serving' manner.

I could care less that he runs his mouth, tweets mean tweets, is a sleaze, rattles off lie after lie, or, is kind of absolutely ignorant of much of the other nuances of the rule of law.

I supported every effort he made to fight the election results -- he has that right.
Many of them were fing bat **** crazy, but he still has that right. I dont think he 'incited' the riot, and I actually support a large number of his policies and achievements.

But, I rate him with the likes of Richard Nixon in how he subverted the Office of the President in that timeframe.

Straightforward enough WUKYG?

It is unless you past posting history says different. Will it? If not then you are using Jan 6th as an excuse to back up what you though way before then. I'm not saying which is the case because I haven't searched your past post on Trump or remember them.

If that's the only reason you feel the way you do, while I might disagree with a lot of it. I agree you have that right to feel like you do and consistent with those feelings and can at least explain the why. A lot of people just cant explain, the why I feel this way.

(07-25-2022 01:55 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(07-25-2022 01:40 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-25-2022 01:24 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(07-25-2022 01:16 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  What I want to see is the top 5 reasons from tanqtonic & AdoptedMonarch they feel the way they do on Trump. I'm not talking about the bullcrap answers, sleaze, unfit, or any other adjective. For once I would love to see the Trump haters give a list (dont have to stop at 5)and back their list up with their words...not the MSM's generic bullcrap that keeps changing and you cant pin down.

If not 5 do a top 3 reasons because honestly I dont think I've seen that from either of you. I've seen runs his mouth, lost a debate, sleaze, talks too much, didnt stand up to the democrats and media on COVID. All of those are reasons he could have loss the election....

none explain your personal feeling on hating the man

Look at it this way, the next time someone questions you on this you have a record that you can point to and a quick copy and paste. If that's already out there then do that now.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-951515-page-5.html ... Post #97... 3rd red-colored arrow point.

There is a reason that pride, wrath and sloth are three of the 7 deadly sins. President Trump had plenty of opportunity to adjust his approach, and lots smart advisors pleading with him to do so. He failed - - #hencePresidentPoopypants.

That's all you get, WKUYG. I am always open to honest dialogue, but I do not answers to summonses from you.

No one was trying to make you do anything I ASKED and its you that's refusing to be open to honest dialogue. Sometimes we dont have answers so you could have just said...

because I feel that way

Come on you are noting being completely honest because from your post about the man you hated him way before any of the below. So its your feelings? Everything you posted below is just a

Quote:—> I’ve been through this many times before. So I’m going to offer only a snippet listing. But I think you will follow. He should have: (i) acted “more presidential”, like he promised he would; (ii) selected cabinet members and advisors for their talent and experience, and not because they were the best suck ups; (iii) NOT be taken in by obvious frauds and moles like Fauci and Comey, goddammit; (iv) relied on campaign professionals to handle the ground game, instead of thinking that he could sway everyone via preening rallies; (v) hired real talent to address the claims of electoral fraud, instead of a drunk, ugly and stupid Rudy Giuliani; and (vi) been at least a little bit of a team player post-election, and not pretty much singlehandedly eff’ing up both Georgia runoffs.

The dishonest one in this back-and-forth is you, WKUYG. And it is nothing new.

You start with the premise that I personally hate Donald Trump. You have never met me and have no basis of knowing whether that is true. It might be. Or it might be that I am so over-the-top upset by what he allowed to happen to this nation - - needlessly and purely out of arrogance, spite and laziness - - that I have developed a hatred for the man that didn't previously exist.

The fact that I voted for him in 2020 suggests that you are wrong in your assumption that my dislike for him is sourced from some irrational hatred. But I can't make you be someone who you are not - - i.e., an honest person. It is just not in you.

So, I won't try. Instead I will return the favor of hitting you with a b.s. assumption - - tell us all, WKUYG, how did your transition surgery go? Don't deny that you didn't have it. We all know that this is the root of your unhappiness on this board.

The fact that I dont personally know you has ZERO to do with anything....

your posting history is time locked in the search on this forum. Everyone that reads this board often knows your hate for Trump started way before anything you said in the red text. Come on man! who's being dishonest? As far as your voting, you voted indy in 2016, "for the pot head" so once again you are not being completely honest

(07-25-2022 01:16 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  What I want to see is the top 5 reasons from tanqtonic & AdoptedMonarch they feel the way they do on Trump. I'm not talking about the bullcrap answers, sleaze, unfit, or any other adjective. For once I would love to see the Trump haters give a list (dont have to stop at 5)and back their list up with their words...not the MSM's generic bullcrap that keeps changing and you cant pin down.

If not 5 do a top 3 reasons because honestly I dont think I've seen that from either of you. I've seen runs his mouth, lost a debate, sleaze, talks too much, didnt stand up to the democrats and media on COVID. All of those are reasons he could have loss the election....

none explain your personal feeling on hating the man

Look at it this way, the next time someone questions you on this you have a record that you can point to and a quick copy and paste. If that's already out there then do that now.

I cannot speak completely for AM and definitely not for Taq...

I am about 95% on board with Trump's policies (or at least what he wants to do), and if you put a gun to my head I am not sure I could identify the 5% I am not on board with specifically.



It comes down to really, really bad optics and the absolute ire the man brings out of the left.

I have said this before and I will say it again, if Donald J Trump could cure the entire planet of cancer, the Dems would block him from doing so out of spite and hatred.

There is an actual case in point - when the "vaccine" was ready to go before Biden was to take office, Harris and Biden and all the rest wouldn't trust that shot if you paid them. On January 22, the same people were falling all over themselves to get it because now it was Joe's shot.

And THAT is the crux of the problem. The Dems will not compromise, they will not agree with, nor will they allow over their dead bodies DJT to accomplish anything no matter how much it benefits the people they are supposed to be representing.

He is simply way too polarizing to be allowed to get get everything (and maybe anything) done.

It will be 4 more years of stalemates, special committee investigations, and probably an impeachment hearing or three.

Trump may be larger than life, but he is not larger than politics.

It's still funny to me that so many members of this echo chamber don't understand how a president with terrible approval ratings could have lost an election.

I fully admit that I have always thought of DJT as a vainglorious douche bag, going back well before his political adventures. And I didn't agree with much of what he did while in office: his policies borne of economic ignorance, disdain for the 1st amendment, spending, and his lack of attention to fixing Obamacare, among others. But I'm also grateful he was ready, willing, and able to prevent Hillary from becoming president. And his Supreme Court nominations were home runs. His Putin fixation perplexed me but his foreign policy was pretty much aligned with what I wanted. So I would have been fine with another 4 years.

But after losing to Biden (yes, I believe he really did lose), he listened to the crackpot ball washers on his team who advised him recklessly and he decided he should resist* the peaceful transition of power that is a hallmark of our democracy. That was it for me; I'm out. I won't vote for him. Maybe some posters here will think that broken or deranged. *shrug*

Edit: *For clarity, this is independent of the 1/6 riot. As soon as he started claiming Pence could/should de-certify he crossed over my red line.

Talk about dishonest and hating the man for everything he did AS PRESIDENT. I wont flood the board with the post after post after post just like the 5 below by AdoptedMonarch' (I could)

(08-18-2016 11:00 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  Until I see some indication that the man is not doing everything he possibly can to throw the election to Hillary, he will NOT get my vote. Granted, he's MAY be the lesser of two evils. But I won't support someone who is in this only to serve his need to preen in public.

Donald Trump is a complete loser. He knows that he is going down for a defeat of historical proportions, and now is simply looking for a way to blame his coming defeat on someone other than himself. The heck with him, and with anyone else (such as the author of the worthless commentary) trying to get me to compromise my principles. I won't do it, even if Virginia is close.

(08-17-2016 07:35 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  The word that will forever stick with Donald Trump is "LOSER".

Thanks to him, and also to his willfully blind supporters, we will end up with another corrupt Clinton in the White House.

Shame on Donald Trump and shame on his supporters.

(03-31-2016 09:24 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  Is this meant as a demonstration that Trump voters wouldn't know how to secede, even if they wished to do so?

#NeverTrump
#NeverHillary

(08-26-2016 03:37 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(08-26-2016 03:06 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(08-26-2016 01:53 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(08-26-2016 08:38 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(08-25-2016 08:17 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  Hillary would get slaughtered debating virtually anyone with the ability to string together even three coherent sentences.

Unfortunately, Donald Trump falls on the wrong side of that threshold. She will destroy him in the debates.

This election is already over, unless a third-party candidate can somehow gain enough traction to displace Trump as the alternative to Hillary.

Did the unicorns and gummy bears tell you that? Because here in reality that isn't even remotely close to the truth.

Unlike you, I don't pretend to be the uncontested voice of truth.

Mine is just an opinion. It is based upon a year of listening to Donald Trump frolic his way through the Republican primaries and now several months into the general election campaign -- without ever once offering up any coherent policy proposal (how's that deportation promise looking to you now?), without committing even a fraction of his fabled billions in support of this campaign he purportedly is trying to win, and without displaying any self control whatsoever (portraying a gold star mother as a subordinate pawn -- how truly stupid is he?).

But, lucky for him, he's got you as a supporter. And you have an undeniable grasp and control of the "truth".

Thank God that you're on the job, DefCONNOne. What would the Donald do without you?

All those words typed only to say "neener neener boo boo"?

Trotting out gems like "its over" and "hillary will destroy him in a debate" only proves you cant or wont think for yourself.

I obviously lack your greater logic and political wisdom, DefCONNOne. So explain to me, in terms that even I might understand, how it is that my formulated opinion -- that Donald Trump is a complete and total LOSER -- an opinion which is based upon the un-refuted facts listed in the 2nd paragraph of my above post, is so clearly an indication of my own inability/unwillingness to think for myself.

Thickheaded guy that I am, it is my thought is that you may in fact be the perfect Trump supporter: someone who has no interest in considering actual policy or persuading others to support your position, but instead just wants to shout about how wrong everyone else is.

Whatever gets you off. But this is at least one Virginia voter who would have been very open to supporting Donald Trump had he shown even a partial ability to get past his own self-promotion. No longer.

That Virginia, which had been a swing state, is no longer in contention is a pretty bleak assessment on where this election is headed.

But at least we all know what a GREAT man Donald Trump is. He must be. Why? Well because he has the support of DefCONNOne. What else matters?

Good for him (and I guess for you too). Shame for the nation.

(09-21-2016 11:59 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  What will I do, evil neocon that I am?

Heck, I might just sign up for a degree from Trump University. It sounds like a fabulous deal.

After that, I'll eat as many skittles as I possibly can, and hope to find one of the three poisoned ones.

When that fails, I guess there's always prayer.

Lot of soft posts in this thread


Sad Bigly

(07-25-2022 01:52 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-25-2022 01:16 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  What I want to see is the top 5 reasons from tanqtonic & AdoptedMonarch they feel the way they do on Trump. I'm not talking about the bullcrap answers, sleaze, unfit, or any other adjective. For once I would love to see the Trump haters give a list (dont have to stop at 5)and back their list up with their words...not the MSM's generic bullcrap that keeps changing and you cant pin down.

If not 5 do a top 3 reasons because honestly I dont think I've seen that from either of you. I've seen runs his mouth, lost a debate, sleaze, talks too much, didnt stand up to the democrats and media on COVID. All of those are reasons he could have loss the election....

none explain your personal feeling on hating the man

Look at it this way, the next time someone questions you on this you have a record that you can point to and a quick copy and paste. If that's already out there then do that now.

There is one overriding objection to him from my perspective.

I think in the events of Jan 6, he fundamentally abdicated his role of President, and did so to promote a self-serving goal. There is no way a person in that office can: a) watch the riot progress for three hours and do nothing; or b) tweet out in that 3 hours an attack on Pence, and on the process of certification without being in dereliction of his oath to the office.

I think as such, he is fundamentally unfit for the office. There are reports that when Mark Meadows said to him that Pence was liable to be hung, Trump responded that 'maybe its right that he gets hanged' (paraphrase). I wont tag him with that statement, since it is hearsay. And Meadows is fighting tooth and nail to evade any subpoena. If that comment is true, it adds on to the stuff listed above.

He used the office in that manner in nothing but what could be described conservatively as a 'self-serving' manner.

I could care less that he runs his mouth, tweets mean tweets, is a sleaze, rattles off lie after lie, or, is kind of absolutely ignorant of much of the other nuances of the rule of law.

I supported every effort he made to fight the election results -- he has that right.
Many of them were fing bat **** crazy, but he still has that right. I dont think he 'incited' the riot, and I actually support a large number of his policies and achievements.

But, I rate him with the likes of Richard Nixon in how he subverted the Office of the President in that timeframe.

Straightforward enough WUKYG?

You said "watch the riot progress for three hours and do nothing;

I ask you, what should he have done or what did you want him to do?

(07-25-2022 02:18 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  It's still funny to me that so many members of this echo chamber don't understand how a president with terrible approval ratings could have lost an election.

I fully admit that I have always thought of DJT as a vainglorious douche bag, going back well before his political adventures. And I didn't agree with much of what he did while in office: his policies borne of economic ignorance, disdain for the 1st amendment, spending, and his lack of attention to fixing Obamacare, among others. But I'm also grateful he was ready, willing, and able to prevent Hillary from becoming president. And his Supreme Court nominations were home runs. His Putin fixation perplexed me but his foreign policy was pretty much aligned with what I wanted. So I would have been fine with another 4 years.

But after losing to Biden (yes, I believe he really did lose), he listened to the crackpot ball washers on his team who advised him recklessly and he decided he should resist the peaceful transition of power that is a hallmark of our democracy. That was it for me; I'm out. I won't vote for him. Maybe some posters here will think that broken or deranged. *shrug*

yall got picked on in high school, didnt you. by an orange person.

its ok.

peaceful transition of power

like the coup when he as elected.

roll over for a stolen election.

soft, really soft

(07-25-2022 02:08 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-25-2022 01:55 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(07-25-2022 01:40 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-25-2022 01:24 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(07-25-2022 01:16 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  What I want to see is the top 5 reasons from tanqtonic & AdoptedMonarch they feel the way they do on Trump. I'm not talking about the bullcrap answers, sleaze, unfit, or any other adjective. For once I would love to see the Trump haters give a list (dont have to stop at 5)and back their list up with their words...not the MSM's generic bullcrap that keeps changing and you cant pin down.

If not 5 do a top 3 reasons because honestly I dont think I've seen that from either of you. I've seen runs his mouth, lost a debate, sleaze, talks too much, didnt stand up to the democrats and media on COVID. All of those are reasons he could have loss the election....

none explain your personal feeling on hating the man

Look at it this way, the next time someone questions you on this you have a record that you can point to and a quick copy and paste. If that's already out there then do that now.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-951515-page-5.html ... Post #97... 3rd red-colored arrow point.

There is a reason that pride, wrath and sloth are three of the 7 deadly sins. President Trump had plenty of opportunity to adjust his approach, and lots smart advisors pleading with him to do so. He failed - - #hencePresidentPoopypants.

That's all you get, WKUYG. I am always open to honest dialogue, but I do not answers to summonses from you.

No one was trying to make you do anything I ASKED and its you that's refusing to be open to honest dialogue. Sometimes we dont have answers so you could have just said...

because I feel that way

Come on you are noting being completely honest because from your post about the man you hated him way before any of the below. So its your feelings? Everything you posted below is just a

Quote:—> I’ve been through this many times before. So I’m going to offer only a snippet listing. But I think you will follow. He should have: (i) acted “more presidential”, like he promised he would; (ii) selected cabinet members and advisors for their talent and experience, and not because they were the best suck ups; (iii) NOT be taken in by obvious frauds and moles like Fauci and Comey, goddammit; (iv) relied on campaign professionals to handle the ground game, instead of thinking that he could sway everyone via preening rallies; (v) hired real talent to address the claims of electoral fraud, instead of a drunk, ugly and stupid Rudy Giuliani; and (vi) been at least a little bit of a team player post-election, and not pretty much singlehandedly eff’ing up both Georgia runoffs.

The dishonest one in this back-and-forth is you, WKUYG. And it is nothing new.

You start with the premise that I personally hate Donald Trump. You have never met me and have no basis of knowing whether that is true. It might be. Or it might be that I am so over-the-top upset by what he allowed to happen to this nation - - needlessly and purely out of arrogance, spite and laziness - - that I have developed a hatred for the man that didn't previously exist.

The fact that I voted for him in 2020 suggests that you are wrong in your assumption that my dislike for him is sourced from some irrational hatred. But I can't make you be someone who you are not - - i.e., an honest person. It is just not in you.

So, I won't try. Instead I will return the favor of hitting you with a b.s. assumption - - tell us all, WKUYG, how did your transition surgery go? Don't deny that you didn't have it. We all know that this is the root of your unhappiness on this board.

The fact that I dont personally know you has ZERO to do with anything....

your posting history is time locked in the search on this forum. Everyone that reads this board often knows your hate for Trump started way before anything you said in the red text. Come on man! who's being dishonest? As far as your voting, you voted indy in 2016, "for the pot head" so once again you are not being completely honest

Find a single post where I have ever contradicted myself on this, WKUYG-ette (I want to be respectful of your new gender choice in future posts). I have been up front in my posting history:

-- deep suspicion that Donald Trump was a self-promoter and not "in it to win it" in 2016;
-- shocked that he pulled it off, and celebratory that he spared us from a Hillary presidency;
-- alarmed by his off-the-cuff governing style, but only ever fearing that he was going to undermine the interests of this nation;
-- a growing alarm that he was in the process of blowing his 2020 re-election prospects, and sounding off loudly about it;
-- fury when he did; and
-- followed by the list you see above.

Search my history, big boy (or is it big girl now?). Find a single post that contradicts a single thing I said. You won't.

And, when you don't, the only thing that I know will happen is that you won't have the integrity to admit your error. Because you are not an honest person.

(07-25-2022 02:28 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(07-25-2022 02:08 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-25-2022 01:55 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(07-25-2022 01:40 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-25-2022 01:24 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  https://csnbbs.com/thread-951515-page-5.html ... Post #97... 3rd red-colored arrow point.

There is a reason that pride, wrath and sloth are three of the 7 deadly sins. President Trump had plenty of opportunity to adjust his approach, and lots smart advisors pleading with him to do so. He failed - - #hencePresidentPoopypants.

That's all you get, WKUYG. I am always open to honest dialogue, but I do not answers to summonses from you.

No one was trying to make you do anything I ASKED and its you that's refusing to be open to honest dialogue. Sometimes we dont have answers so you could have just said...

because I feel that way

Come on you are noting being completely honest because from your post about the man you hated him way before any of the below. So its your feelings? Everything you posted below is just a

Quote:—> I’ve been through this many times before. So I’m going to offer only a snippet listing. But I think you will follow. He should have: (i) acted “more presidential”, like he promised he would; (ii) selected cabinet members and advisors for their talent and experience, and not because they were the best suck ups; (iii) NOT be taken in by obvious frauds and moles like Fauci and Comey, goddammit; (iv) relied on campaign professionals to handle the ground game, instead of thinking that he could sway everyone via preening rallies; (v) hired real talent to address the claims of electoral fraud, instead of a drunk, ugly and stupid Rudy Giuliani; and (vi) been at least a little bit of a team player post-election, and not pretty much singlehandedly eff’ing up both Georgia runoffs.

The dishonest one in this back-and-forth is you, WKUYG. And it is nothing new.

You start with the premise that I personally hate Donald Trump. You have never met me and have no basis of knowing whether that is true. It might be. Or it might be that I am so over-the-top upset by what he allowed to happen to this nation - - needlessly and purely out of arrogance, spite and laziness - - that I have developed a hatred for the man that didn't previously exist.

The fact that I voted for him in 2020 suggests that you are wrong in your assumption that my dislike for him is sourced from some irrational hatred. But I can't make you be someone who you are not - - i.e., an honest person. It is just not in you.

So, I won't try. Instead I will return the favor of hitting you with a b.s. assumption - - tell us all, WKUYG, how did your transition surgery go? Don't deny that you didn't have it. We all know that this is the root of your unhappiness on this board.

The fact that I dont personally know you has ZERO to do with anything....

your posting history is time locked in the search on this forum. Everyone that reads this board often knows your hate for Trump started way before anything you said in the red text. Come on man! who's being dishonest? As far as your voting, you voted indy in 2016, "for the pot head" so once again you are not being completely honest

Find a single post where I have ever contradicted myself on this, WKUYG-ette (I want to be respectful of your new gender choice in future posts). I have been up front in my posting history:

-- deep suspicion that Donald Trump was a self-promoter and not "in it to win it" in 2016;
-- shocked that he pulled it off, and celebratory that he spared us from a Hillary presidency;
-- alarmed by his off-the-cuff governing style, but only ever fearing that he was going to undermine the interests of this nation;
-- a growing alarm that he was in the process of blowing his 2020 re-election prospects, and sounding off loudly about it;
-- fury when he did; and
-- followed by the list you see above.

Search my history, big boy (or is it big girl now?). Find a single post that contradicts a single thing I said. You won't.

And, when you don't, the only thing that I know will happen is that you won't have the integrity to admit your error. Because you are not an honest person.

Maybe before running your mouth and locking yourself in for the dishonesty you are showing....

you should have read the whole thread before posting. I already showed your dishonesty. Your hate for the man began way before he ever become President.


No need for me to copy and paste your bullshite again look a few post above this one. YOU, not me said the red text is why you hate Trump. I gave you the chance to explain your reasons and you took it.....the red text. Your hate had nothing to do with President Trump....

it started way before then and now you want to "explain yourself"? Its funny how you basically told me to go take a shite that you arent giving your reasons (other than red text). Now all of a sudden you want to "EXPLAIN YOURSELF"....we know that reason, its because you got caught in your dishonesty
https://csnbbs.com/thread-951609-post-18...id18341689

(07-25-2022 02:01 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-25-2022 01:52 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-25-2022 01:16 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  What I want to see is the top 5 reasons from tanqtonic & AdoptedMonarch they feel the way they do on Trump. I'm not talking about the bullcrap answers, sleaze, unfit, or any other adjective. For once I would love to see the Trump haters give a list (dont have to stop at 5)and back their list up with their words...not the MSM's generic bullcrap that keeps changing and you cant pin down.

If not 5 do a top 3 reasons because honestly I dont think I've seen that from either of you. I've seen runs his mouth, lost a debate, sleaze, talks too much, didnt stand up to the democrats and media on COVID. All of those are reasons he could have loss the election....

none explain your personal feeling on hating the man

Look at it this way, the next time someone questions you on this you have a record that you can point to and a quick copy and paste. If that's already out there then do that now.

There is one overriding objection to him from my perspective.

I think in the events of Jan 6, he fundamentally abdicated his role of President, and did so to promote a self-serving goal. There is no way a person in that office can: a) watch the riot progress for three hours and do nothing; or b) tweet out in that 3 hours an attack on Pence, and on the process of certification without being in dereliction of his oath to the office.

I think as such, he is fundamentally unfit for the office. There are reports that when Mark Meadows said to him that Pence was liable to be hung, Trump responded that 'maybe its right that he gets hanged' (paraphrase). I wont tag him with that statement, since it is hearsay. And Meadows is fighting tooth and nail to evade any subpoena. If that comment is true, it adds on to the stuff listed above.

He used the office in that manner in nothing but what could be described conservatively as a 'self-serving' manner.

I could care less that he runs his mouth, tweets mean tweets, is a sleaze, rattles off lie after lie, or, is kind of absolutely ignorant of much of the other nuances of the rule of law.

I supported every effort he made to fight the election results -- he has that right.
Many of them were fing bat **** crazy, but he still has that right. I dont think he 'incited' the riot, and I actually support a large number of his policies and achievements.

But, I rate him with the likes of Richard Nixon in how he subverted the Office of the President in that timeframe.

Straightforward enough WUKYG?

It is unless you past posting history says different. Will it? If not then you are using Jan 6th as an excuse to back up what you though way before then. I'm not saying which is the case because I haven't searched your past post on Trump or remember them.

If that's the only reason you feel the way you do, while I might disagree with a lot of it. I agree you have that right to feel like you do and consistent with those feelings and can at least explain the why. A lot of people just cant explain, the why I feel this way.

I have absolutely posted my opinion of the guy in his personality before. In these pages even. In very unflattering terms.

And I have supported many of his positions in spite of that . Again, in these pages.

You will find both.

In the Rice political forum, it has been a very consistent support of his positions without regard to the really asshat things I mention above.

The only time I have stated he doesnt belong in office is specifically for the above, as far as I remember.

(07-25-2022 02:25 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(07-25-2022 02:18 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  It's still funny to me that so many members of this echo chamber don't understand how a president with terrible approval ratings could have lost an election.

I fully admit that I have always thought of DJT as a vainglorious douche bag, going back well before his political adventures. And I didn't agree with much of what he did while in office: his policies borne of economic ignorance, disdain for the 1st amendment, spending, and his lack of attention to fixing Obamacare, among others. But I'm also grateful he was ready, willing, and able to prevent Hillary from becoming president. And his Supreme Court nominations were home runs. His Putin fixation perplexed me but his foreign policy was pretty much aligned with what I wanted. So I would have been fine with another 4 years.

But after losing to Biden (yes, I believe he really did lose), he listened to the crackpot ball washers on his team who advised him recklessly and he decided he should resist the peaceful transition of power that is a hallmark of our democracy. That was it for me; I'm out. I won't vote for him. Maybe some posters here will think that broken or deranged. *shrug*

yall got picked on in high school, didnt you. by an orange person.

its ok.

peaceful transition of power

like the coup when he as elected.

roll over for a stolen election.

soft, really soft

Hey, knock yourself out, hammering your keyboard with fury, spittle covering your screen. You've got a cool little group of resistance fighters here but the confirmation bias is overwhelming.

(07-25-2022 02:31 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Maybe before running your mouth and locking yourself in for the dishonesty you are showing....

you should have read the whole thread before posting. I already showed your dishonesty. Your hate for the man began way before he ever become President.


No need for me to copy and paste your bullshite again look a few post above this one. YOU, not me said the red text is why you hate Trump. I gave you the chance to explain your reasons and you took it.....the red text. Your hate had nothing to do with President Trump....

it started way before then and now you want to "explain yourself"? How come you didnt when I asked you to, we know that reason..
https://csnbbs.com/thread-951609-post-18...id18341689

You have shown no such thing. You have offered five snippets from posts made in 2016 explaining why I intended to vote for Gary Johnson and not Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton. Something that I have never once claimed differently.

If that's the best you've got WKUYG-ette, then I will presume the transition surgery went well. Because it it not just honesty that you lack.