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RE: NATO/EU sanctions on Russia falling apart
(07-24-2022 05:56 PM)Todor Wrote:  
(07-24-2022 11:31 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(07-24-2022 05:17 AM)Todor Wrote:  Lithuania has received “additional clarification” from the EU and has resumed transporting nearly all Russian cargo to Kaliningrad. Lithuanian rail has a very limited budget and relied on Russian money to stay afloat. They had asked the EU to kick in additional support to keep it solvent and resuming Russian cargo was the answer.

A new UN arranged export deal for grain has reduced the prices of shipping, logistics and insurance for Russian grain exports and has greatly facilitated Russias ability to export more cheaply and ensure higher profit. Sanctions had made exporting more expensive.

Also this week, the EU removed restrictions on European companies facilitating Russia exports and they are now free to participate in transporting Russian oil to third countries. In the past, much of that oil arrives in a country like Turkiye, for example, is never off loaded, but leaves the Turkish port for Europe and is counted as an import from Turkey. It’s a way Europe can bust their own sanctions while remaining sanctimonious 03-lmfao

Overall, it was a great week for Russia and the world. These should all help eliminate some of the pressure on food and oil prices.

Making the grain exports easier was to keep Africa and the middle East from starving. It was necessary.

The West chose those sanctions in the first place. The West went back to Russia asking them to please resume exports instead of sitting on the grain, waiting for the prices to go up, all the while supplying Russias Allie’s with all the discount grain they can use.

One of the biggest grain importers in the world is Egypt. Russia just broke ground on a $30 billion power generation plant there. You think Russia wouldn’t make sure they are fed? You think Syria hasn’t been living on Russian handouts for 10 years since the west has sanctioned them into hunger? But NOW the US is concerned about their Allie’s, after trying to starve Russias. Ok.

The West came back to the table because the sanctions they chose failed.

Egypt turned down stolen Ukrainian grain. Russia took it to Syria where they have been starving less favored sections of the populace.
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RE: NATO/EU sanctions on Russia falling apart
(07-24-2022 06:01 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(07-24-2022 04:37 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(07-24-2022 03:34 PM)Todor Wrote:  
(07-24-2022 11:40 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(07-24-2022 11:33 AM)bullet Wrote:  It looks like Russia's military is on its last legs and has run out of steam. We are likely to get into a stalemate period.
Just intuitively, I think that may be the case, as well. Which leads to the question: is the status-quo (however you want to define it) acceptable to … Ukraine? / Russia? / EU-NATO? / America?

Why would Russia give up so easily? If it wasn’t an important military operation, they wouldn’t have undertaken it. Ukraine has a long way to go before they are out from under their mistakes.

Russia will keep working toward their objective a lot longer than Europeans can freeze themselves, a lot longer than the west will support Ukraine, a lot longer than Americans can keep shelling out hundreds of billions to corrupt people, and a lot longer than the entire world can handle inflated prices that are threatening a global recession.

The West is not able to end this in their favor. They miscalculated again. Ukraine miscalculated more. The time to pay for these mistakes is not over.

The longer it lasts, the better it is for NATO. The next 6 months will be tougher for the EU than for Russia economically. But as development of new LNG channels to the EU form, the Russian energy trump card begins to lose its value as a lever against the west. Meanwhile, the west need only continue to pump more and newer weapons into the fray. Already the long range HIMARS are savaging the Russian supply line and forcing Russian artillery to reduce its fire rate. Once more get there (and there will be more coming), added with better anti-aircraft systems the war will quickly become very much a stalemated quagmire perfectly suited to grind the Russian war machine down to a much less concerning issue for the west. Soon Ukrainian F-16's and A-10's (yes, thats going to happen) will be operating with impunity in Ukrainian air space. Once that happens, the ability of Russia to perform any significant offensive operation will be over. At that point, Russian morale broken, insurgency attacks springing up all along already wrecked Russian supply lines---Putin will watch helplessly as the operational initiative flips over to the Ukrainian side.

Russia is not stupid. Once they realized that the Ukrainian misadventure would not be the easy romp they expected for their army, they knew that they would actually start losing this war if it goes on too long. I suspect they will want to engage in peace talks prior to winter setting in. That is the last time they will have any real leverage in any peace talks. Once the EU makes it through this winter----the Russian Army is done. Russia will have no leverage and a broken ground down army largely running on crappy 1960's era reserve equipment. On the other side, fresh from suffering through a miserable winter due to the Russians war of expansion, the EU nations will be united behind the idea of making sure the Russian Army suffers mightily for its campaign of unwarranted mass destruction and murder in Ukraine. Game over.

I'll disagree about the Ukrainian air force operating with impunity. Along with artillery, anti-aircraft defenses are one of Russia's strongpoints.

That’s very true in Russia, but less so the farther they get into Ukrainian territory. One of the interesting targets for the highly accurate HIMARS has been Russian radar systems.
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RE: NATO/EU sanctions on Russia falling apart
Sorry to go off-point but this caught my eye:

(07-24-2022 05:56 PM)Todor Wrote:  One of the biggest grain importers in the world is Egypt.
True.

Egypt has been a greatly troubled nation for a long time, and I’ll be the first to admit that the US does not have clean hands in that history.

But turning Egypt from an (agriculturally) self-sufficient society into a national beggar-for-food is really the most enduring legacy of Gamal Abdel Nasser, Egypt’s dictator from 1954 until he suddenly died in 1970. I still remember a visiting Egyptian academic speaking bitterly about that transformation when he lectured at Tulane ~30 years ago.
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RE: NATO/EU sanctions on Russia falling apart
(07-24-2022 06:46 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  Sorry to go off-point but this caught my eye:

(07-24-2022 05:56 PM)Todor Wrote:  One of the biggest grain importers in the world is Egypt.
True.

Egypt has been a greatly troubled nation for a long time, and I’ll be the first to admit that the US does not have clean hands in that history.

But turning Egypt from an (agriculturally) self-sufficient society into a national beggar-for-food is really the most enduring legacy of Gamal Abdel Nasser, Egypt’s dictator from 1954 until he suddenly died in 1970. I still remember a visiting Egyptian academic speaking bitterly about that transformation when he lectured at Tulane ~30 years ago.

I don’t know as much about Egypt as I’d like, but I do know they have a very large and fast growing nation to feed and not much arable land.

Just looked it up. In 1965 Egypt had under 30 million people and now they around 110 million. Even in ideal circumstances, I’m not sure they have the land or water to feed that 80 million additional people. At their current rate of growth, they are adding over 2 million people per year as well. Tough place for agriculture.

https://www.worlddata.info/africa/egypt/...growth.php
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RE: NATO/EU sanctions on Russia falling apart
(07-24-2022 04:45 PM)Todor Wrote:  
(07-24-2022 04:34 PM)banker Wrote:  
(07-24-2022 03:34 PM)Todor Wrote:  
(07-24-2022 11:40 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(07-24-2022 11:33 AM)bullet Wrote:  It looks like Russia's military is on its last legs and has run out of steam. We are likely to get into a stalemate period.
Just intuitively, I think that may be the case, as well. Which leads to the question: is the status-quo (however you want to define it) acceptable to … Ukraine? / Russia? / EU-NATO? / America?

Why would Russia give up so easily? If it wasn’t an important military operation, they wouldn’t have undertaken it. Ukraine has a long way to go before they are out from under their mistakes.

Russia will keep working toward their objective a lot longer than Europeans can freeze themselves, a lot longer than the west will support Ukraine, a lot longer than Americans can keep shelling out hundreds of billions to corrupt people, and a lot longer than the entire world can handle inflated prices that are threatening a global recession.

The West is not able to end this in their favor. They miscalculated again. Ukraine miscalculated more. The time to pay for these mistakes is not over.

I care nothing about the outcome, but would really like to know why you have such an affinity toward Russia. The country has a murderous history of human rights abuses and the most corrupt basis of capitalism perhaps in history. I can see hating Ukraine for their corruption, but can’t understand how anyone could view Putin and Russia favorably.

Sounds like your mind is already made up. It isn’t my job to change it for you.

Pro tip— if you sincerely want an answer, don’t load your questions.

Return pro-tip: it’s not loading a question to state the facts on which my point of view is based. It’s offering you a clear opportunity of rebuttal without guessing my viewpoint.

How many of their own countrymen died during their conversation to communism? How many Ukrainians were starved to death? Not as many as during China’s “Great Leap Forward”, but still somewhere over 10 million, right?

Russia/USSR has been bad from WWI until Gorbachev and has gotten bad again under Putin, in my opinion. I know you know everything I typed and just used your reply to deflect from answering, but it you support them you shouldn’t be embarrassed to say why.
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RE: NATO/EU sanctions on Russia falling apart
(07-24-2022 09:14 PM)banker Wrote:  
(07-24-2022 04:45 PM)Todor Wrote:  
(07-24-2022 04:34 PM)banker Wrote:  
(07-24-2022 03:34 PM)Todor Wrote:  
(07-24-2022 11:40 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  Just intuitively, I think that may be the case, as well. Which leads to the question: is the status-quo (however you want to define it) acceptable to … Ukraine? / Russia? / EU-NATO? / America?

Why would Russia give up so easily? If it wasn’t an important military operation, they wouldn’t have undertaken it. Ukraine has a long way to go before they are out from under their mistakes.

Russia will keep working toward their objective a lot longer than Europeans can freeze themselves, a lot longer than the west will support Ukraine, a lot longer than Americans can keep shelling out hundreds of billions to corrupt people, and a lot longer than the entire world can handle inflated prices that are threatening a global recession.

The West is not able to end this in their favor. They miscalculated again. Ukraine miscalculated more. The time to pay for these mistakes is not over.

I care nothing about the outcome, but would really like to know why you have such an affinity toward Russia. The country has a murderous history of human rights abuses and the most corrupt basis of capitalism perhaps in history. I can see hating Ukraine for their corruption, but can’t understand how anyone could view Putin and Russia favorably.

Sounds like your mind is already made up. It isn’t my job to change it for you.

Pro tip— if you sincerely want an answer, don’t load your questions.

Return pro-tip: it’s not loading a question to state the facts on which my point of view is based. It’s offering you a clear opportunity of rebuttal without guessing my viewpoint.

How many of their own countrymen died during their conversation to communism? How many Ukrainians were starved to death? Not as many as during China’s “Great Leap Forward”, but still somewhere over 10 million, right?

Russia/USSR has been bad from WWI until Gorbachev and has gotten bad again under Putin, in my opinion. I know you know everything I typed and just used your reply to deflect from answering, but it you support them you shouldn’t be embarrassed to say why.

Nah. Their propaganda just says it didnt happen and bad stuff just disappears from the historical record. In Russia, history is written in pencil.
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RE: NATO/EU sanctions on Russia falling apart
(07-24-2022 09:14 PM)banker Wrote:  
(07-24-2022 04:45 PM)Todor Wrote:  
(07-24-2022 04:34 PM)banker Wrote:  
(07-24-2022 03:34 PM)Todor Wrote:  
(07-24-2022 11:40 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  Just intuitively, I think that may be the case, as well. Which leads to the question: is the status-quo (however you want to define it) acceptable to … Ukraine? / Russia? / EU-NATO? / America?

Why would Russia give up so easily? If it wasn’t an important military operation, they wouldn’t have undertaken it. Ukraine has a long way to go before they are out from under their mistakes.

Russia will keep working toward their objective a lot longer than Europeans can freeze themselves, a lot longer than the west will support Ukraine, a lot longer than Americans can keep shelling out hundreds of billions to corrupt people, and a lot longer than the entire world can handle inflated prices that are threatening a global recession.

The West is not able to end this in their favor. They miscalculated again. Ukraine miscalculated more. The time to pay for these mistakes is not over.

I care nothing about the outcome, but would really like to know why you have such an affinity toward Russia. The country has a murderous history of human rights abuses and the most corrupt basis of capitalism perhaps in history. I can see hating Ukraine for their corruption, but can’t understand how anyone could view Putin and Russia favorably.

Sounds like your mind is already made up. It isn’t my job to change it for you.

Pro tip— if you sincerely want an answer, don’t load your questions.

Return pro-tip: it’s not loading a question to state the facts on which my point of view is based. It’s offering you a clear opportunity of rebuttal without guessing my viewpoint.

How many of their own countrymen died during their conversation to communism? How many Ukrainians were starved to death? Not as many as during China’s “Great Leap Forward”, but still somewhere over 10 million, right?

Russia/USSR has been bad from WWI until Gorbachev and has gotten bad again under Putin, in my opinion. I know you know everything I typed and just used your reply to deflect from answering, but it you support them you shouldn’t be embarrassed to say why.

Typically, if I want to know someone’s personal beliefs about a topic, I do it privately, and not as a “gotcha” by trying to goad them into answering using primitive psychology. If you’re truly curious, you’ll simply have to do better. I don’t know you, I don’t owe you, and I can’t imagine why you are even remotely curious.

Now, back to the topic at hand-failed sanctions. China alone imported 8 billion worth of Russian oil last month on top of the tens of billions of regular contracted purchases. India is increasing Russian imports across multiple categories by 700% over previous years. Any damage that the NATO countries can do to the Russian economy are likely going to hit us worse. And Russians are a hell of a lot tougher than we are. We have already caved, in part, and the Russian economy hasn’t collapsed as predicted.
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RE: NATO/EU sanctions on Russia falling apart
(07-24-2022 10:56 PM)Todor Wrote:  
(07-24-2022 09:14 PM)banker Wrote:  
(07-24-2022 04:45 PM)Todor Wrote:  
(07-24-2022 04:34 PM)banker Wrote:  
(07-24-2022 03:34 PM)Todor Wrote:  Why would Russia give up so easily? If it wasn’t an important military operation, they wouldn’t have undertaken it. Ukraine has a long way to go before they are out from under their mistakes.

Russia will keep working toward their objective a lot longer than Europeans can freeze themselves, a lot longer than the west will support Ukraine, a lot longer than Americans can keep shelling out hundreds of billions to corrupt people, and a lot longer than the entire world can handle inflated prices that are threatening a global recession.

The West is not able to end this in their favor. They miscalculated again. Ukraine miscalculated more. The time to pay for these mistakes is not over.

I care nothing about the outcome, but would really like to know why you have such an affinity toward Russia. The country has a murderous history of human rights abuses and the most corrupt basis of capitalism perhaps in history. I can see hating Ukraine for their corruption, but can’t understand how anyone could view Putin and Russia favorably.

Sounds like your mind is already made up. It isn’t my job to change it for you.

Pro tip— if you sincerely want an answer, don’t load your questions.

Return pro-tip: it’s not loading a question to state the facts on which my point of view is based. It’s offering you a clear opportunity of rebuttal without guessing my viewpoint.

How many of their own countrymen died during their conversation to communism? How many Ukrainians were starved to death? Not as many as during China’s “Great Leap Forward”, but still somewhere over 10 million, right?

Russia/USSR has been bad from WWI until Gorbachev and has gotten bad again under Putin, in my opinion. I know you know everything I typed and just used your reply to deflect from answering, but it you support them you shouldn’t be embarrassed to say why.

Typically, if I want to know someone’s personal beliefs about a topic, I do it privately, and not as a “gotcha” by trying to goad them into answering using primitive psychology. If you’re truly curious, you’ll simply have to do better. I don’t know you, I don’t owe you, and I can’t imagine why you are even remotely curious.

Now, back to the topic at hand-failed sanctions. China alone imported 8 billion worth of Russian oil last month on top of the tens of billions of regular contracted purchases. India is increasing Russian imports across multiple categories by 700% over previous years. Any damage that the NATO countries can do to the Russian economy are likely going to hit us worse. And Russians are a hell of a lot tougher than we are. We have already caved, in part, and the Russian economy hasn’t collapsed as predicted.

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RE: NATO/EU sanctions on Russia falling apart
(07-24-2022 10:56 PM)Todor Wrote:  
(07-24-2022 09:14 PM)banker Wrote:  
(07-24-2022 04:45 PM)Todor Wrote:  
(07-24-2022 04:34 PM)banker Wrote:  
(07-24-2022 03:34 PM)Todor Wrote:  Why would Russia give up so easily? If it wasn’t an important military operation, they wouldn’t have undertaken it. Ukraine has a long way to go before they are out from under their mistakes.

Russia will keep working toward their objective a lot longer than Europeans can freeze themselves, a lot longer than the west will support Ukraine, a lot longer than Americans can keep shelling out hundreds of billions to corrupt people, and a lot longer than the entire world can handle inflated prices that are threatening a global recession.

The West is not able to end this in their favor. They miscalculated again. Ukraine miscalculated more. The time to pay for these mistakes is not over.

I care nothing about the outcome, but would really like to know why you have such an affinity toward Russia. The country has a murderous history of human rights abuses and the most corrupt basis of capitalism perhaps in history. I can see hating Ukraine for their corruption, but can’t understand how anyone could view Putin and Russia favorably.

Sounds like your mind is already made up. It isn’t my job to change it for you.

Pro tip— if you sincerely want an answer, don’t load your questions.

Return pro-tip: it’s not loading a question to state the facts on which my point of view is based. It’s offering you a clear opportunity of rebuttal without guessing my viewpoint.

How many of their own countrymen died during their conversation to communism? How many Ukrainians were starved to death? Not as many as during China’s “Great Leap Forward”, but still somewhere over 10 million, right?

Russia/USSR has been bad from WWI until Gorbachev and has gotten bad again under Putin, in my opinion. I know you know everything I typed and just used your reply to deflect from answering, but it you support them you shouldn’t be embarrassed to say why.

Typically, if I want to know someone’s personal beliefs about a topic, I do it privately, and not as a “gotcha” by trying to goad them into answering using primitive psychology. If you’re truly curious, you’ll simply have to do better. I don’t know you, I don’t owe you, and I can’t imagine why you are even remotely curious.

Now, back to the topic at hand-failed sanctions. China alone imported 8 billion worth of Russian oil last month on top of the tens of billions of regular contracted purchases. India is increasing Russian imports across multiple categories by 700% over previous years. Any damage that the NATO countries can do to the Russian economy are likely going to hit us worse. And Russians are a hell of a lot tougher than we are. We have already caved, in part, and the Russian economy hasn’t collapsed as predicted.

People got played.

We called it.
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RE: NATO/EU sanctions on Russia falling apart
(07-24-2022 04:37 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(07-24-2022 03:34 PM)Todor Wrote:  
(07-24-2022 11:40 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(07-24-2022 11:33 AM)bullet Wrote:  It looks like Russia's military is on its last legs and has run out of steam. We are likely to get into a stalemate period.
Just intuitively, I think that may be the case, as well. Which leads to the question: is the status-quo (however you want to define it) acceptable to … Ukraine? / Russia? / EU-NATO? / America?

Why would Russia give up so easily? If it wasn’t an important military operation, they wouldn’t have undertaken it. Ukraine has a long way to go before they are out from under their mistakes.

Russia will keep working toward their objective a lot longer than Europeans can freeze themselves, a lot longer than the west will support Ukraine, a lot longer than Americans can keep shelling out hundreds of billions to corrupt people, and a lot longer than the entire world can handle inflated prices that are threatening a global recession.

The West is not able to end this in their favor. They miscalculated again. Ukraine miscalculated more. The time to pay for these mistakes is not over.

The longer it lasts, the better it is for NATO. The next 6 months will be tougher for the EU than for Russia economically. But as development of new LNG channels to the EU form, the Russian energy trump card begins to lose its value as a lever against the west. Meanwhile, the west need only continue to pump more and newer weapons into the fray. Already the long range HIMARS are savaging the Russian supply line and forcing Russian artillery to reduce its fire rate. Once more get there (and there will be more coming), added with better anti-aircraft systems the war will quickly become very much a stalemated quagmire perfectly suited to grind the Russian war machine down to a much less concerning issue for the west. Soon Ukrainian F-16's and A-10's (yes, thats going to happen) will be operating with impunity in Ukrainian air space. Once that happens, the ability of Russia to perform any significant offensive operation will be over. At that point, Russian morale broken, insurgency attacks springing up all along already wrecked Russian supply lines---Putin will watch helplessly as the operational initiative flips over to the Ukrainian side.

Russia is not stupid. Once they realized that the Ukrainian misadventure would not be the easy romp they expected for their army, they knew that they would actually start losing this war if it goes on too long. I suspect they will want to engage in peace talks prior to winter setting in. That is the last time they will have any real leverage in any peace talks. Once the EU makes it through this winter----the Russian Army is done. Russia will have no leverage and a broken ground down army largely running on crappy 1960's era reserve equipment. On the other side, fresh from suffering through a miserable winter due to the Russians war of expansion, the EU nations will be united behind the idea of making sure the Russian Army suffers mightily for its campaign of unwarranted mass destruction and murder in Ukraine. Game over.

Let's say all of this happens. Who will pay to rebuild Ukraine?
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One take on the rebuild.

Rebuilding Ukraine after the War
March 22, 2022

Russia’s invasion of Ukraine comes straight out of the playbook of the last century. A large country marches into a smaller, weaker neighbor with the intent of expanding its own territory and resources and imposing its own polity on another. Ukraine is a rich prize indeed, with substantial mineral resources, a strong agricultural sector, and of course human capital. There are many grim possibilities for future outcomes—but there is also the chance that some sort of settlement is reached that results in an independent Ukraine, with democratically elected leaders. It is clear that Russia is facing fierce resistance, and analysts such as Eliot A. Cohen have even gone so far as to predict Putin will lose. It is difficult to talk about recovery while civilians are still under attack, while hospitals are being bombed, and where cities have lost power and water, but thinking about recovery means envisioning a post-conflict future, and that links to the twin messages of hope and the necessity to keep fighting.

The invasion and the war may follow a twentieth-century playbook, but effective recovery is a twenty-first-century skill. If the destruction of so much of Ukraine’s infrastructure is put into a “disaster” framework, then the natural disaster response and disaster recovery offer a plethora of lessons. And this invasion—with its increasingly indiscriminate targeting of physical, natural, and human infrastructure—has created a real disaster. It is a man-made disaster relating to conflict, not a natural one relating to weather or earthquakes, but some of the lessons hold.

Should the Ukrainian resistance prevail, and Ukraine maintain its status as an independent country, President Zelensky must plan the next steps for the nation. The lesson from disasters is that the first step is response. Helping the people in the immediate aftermath of a disaster—ensuring clean water, adequate power, medical care to the sick and wounded—takes priority. This is the triage phase, and it involves doing whatever it takes to make people safe, now.

The next phase is recovery.

In the recovery phase, actions are taken to return to some sort of “normal” where people can live, go to school, and go to work. There are many lessons from disasters across the globe, both human-caused and natural. There are fewer disasters with a whole-of-economy impact. These disasters are more appropriate to compare against Ukraine’s situation, given that the scale of the Russian attacks at this point seem focused on destroying infrastructure and depopulating the nation.

In a whole-of-economy disaster, a visionary recovery plan can offer an integrated approach to recovery. Puerto Rico’s response to the devastation of Hurricane Maria in 2017 offers one example. The government of Puerto Rico delivered a congressionally mandated economic and disaster recovery plan, which was unique in the disaster recovery literature in the scale and scope of the topics that it covered. Hurricane Maria devastated the island, so a whole-of-island recovery plan was required. Post-conflict recovery and post-natural disaster recovery are two different tasks, but the principles of planning and the strategy to build back thoughtfully rather than rebuild the infrastructure are the same.

Puerto Rico has 1.5 percent of the land mass of Ukraine and about 8 percent of Ukraine’s population, so it is a considerably different problem on a very different scale, but there are still lessons to be learned across the physical, natural, and human infrastructure spectrum. One commonality is that Puerto Rico also faced depopulation over time, with population reaching a high of about 3.8 million in the 2000 census, falling to just under 3.3 million in 2020. The recovery approach required emphasis on rebuilding a strong and competitive economy to which out-migrants might want to return.

The recovery plan described the overarching vision: “To build the new Puerto Rico to meet the current and future needs of the people through sustainable economic development and social transformation; transparent and innovative approaches to governance; resilient, modern, and state-of-the-art infrastructure; and a safe, educated, healthy, and sustainable society.” The next step to achieving this vision was breaking it down into specific goals regarding society, economy, resilience, and infrastructure. Puerto Rico developed short-term (one to two years) and long-term (three to eleven years) recovery goals that were specific to the island’s challenges and were designed to support recovery. These goals were actualized in a set of several hundred specific actions, with a total investment estimated at $139 billion. The recovery actions sprung from an analysis of preexisting conditions, the damage from the hurricane, and how to “build back better.”

After the war, President Zelensky will face the task of leading the rebuilding of his country. He and his advisers will need to develop a vision for the future of Ukraine. And that vision does not need to be— indeed, probably should not be—rebuilding it to exactly the way it was before.

Recovery is also always an opportunity, with a wide variety of approaches to improve on the past. Updated building codes and green building techniques can save energy and reduce water use and may help make Ukraine a leader in green energy. Analyses can help decide where to best invest in the rebuilding of roads and where to locate modern medical facilities. Schools destroyed? Rebuild them with modern technology, where students live. Invest in reforesting and natural infrastructure. Dig common trenches next to roads for water, electrical, and telecommunications.

The massive physical and natural infrastructure damage caused by the Russian attacks will require significant planning and investment—very likely in the hundreds of billions of dollars. At this point in the war, with a clean victory unlikely, Russia seems to have embarked on a cost-imposing strategy of massive destruction. The analogy of World War II is far from perfect, since Germany and Japan were the aggressor nations, but both recovered from major devastation and developed robust economies. The European Recovery Plan, more commonly known as the Marshall Plan, was key for Germany, and Japan also received significant aid. Ukraine will need massive funds to rebuild. These funds will not be generated from the economy at first, so foreign aid will be necessary—and the scale of recovery will be enormous, beyond what any one nation can fund. Countries interested in ensuring that Ukraine has a robust future—and perhaps stands as a bulwark against Russia—will need to contribute. Other funders may be risk averse. That said, these investments will serve a strategic purpose, sending a message to adversaries that Western allied nations will stick together and to other nations that there are benefits to alignment with these allies. Finally, Ukraine will need to directly address concerns about and work to combat corruption, to ensure that funds are spent for their intended purpose. Transparency will be key to building trust with funders, with appropriate metrics to help send the message that donations are going to the intended purpose.

A second challenge includes building support for the several million or more refugees so they can return home. Conflict-related forced displacement tends to be longer term than natural disaster-related displacement, which is often short-term in nature. The longer people stay away, the more likely they are to develop a new life, and the harder it is to return home. In Puerto Rico, the majority of out-migration was related to economic issues and opportunities in the 50 states rather than specifically linked to Hurricane Maria, so getting those who have left to return is no simple matter. Furthermore, younger and healthier people find it easier to move, meaning that the population left after the disaster is older, sicker, and generally poorer. Ukraine will face its own challenges, including the wholesale destruction of homes, schools, medical facilities, and places of work.

A last challenge relates to caring for the physical and mental trauma caused by the Russian invasion. Post-traumatic stress is a terrible outcome of war, and the challenge of making the population feel safe and secure given the attack from their next-door neighbor is significant, and extraordinarily important. Thousands of Ukrainians of all ages have been killed, leaving many more survivors in mourning.

These tasks may seem daunting, but they are tractable to start to address even if perfect solutions and full recovery will never be possible—too many people have lost loved ones for that to be possible. The work for Ukraine should include building capacity to manage and implement recovery. President Zelensky excels in communication. Developing a recovery vision and communicating with funders will be key to recovery.

At the time of this commentary, the war in Ukraine is still ongoing, with no clear way out. Ugly attacks continue almost without ceasing, and the pictures of the devastation are heartbreaking. We can hope that it is darkest before dawn, that soon the violence will cease, and that Ukraine will continue to exist as an independent and democratic nation embarking on an inspiring and effective national recovery. The attention of Ukraine’s leadership is now rightly focused on the war, but understanding that the next step includes triage and planning for recovery phases to come will leave Ukraine better prepared when that day arrives.

Cynthia Cook is director of the Defense-Industrial Initiatives Group and a senior fellow in the International Security Program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, D.C.
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(07-25-2022 08:52 AM)miko33 Wrote:  
(07-24-2022 04:37 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(07-24-2022 03:34 PM)Todor Wrote:  
(07-24-2022 11:40 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(07-24-2022 11:33 AM)bullet Wrote:  It looks like Russia's military is on its last legs and has run out of steam. We are likely to get into a stalemate period.
Just intuitively, I think that may be the case, as well. Which leads to the question: is the status-quo (however you want to define it) acceptable to … Ukraine? / Russia? / EU-NATO? / America?

Why would Russia give up so easily? If it wasn’t an important military operation, they wouldn’t have undertaken it. Ukraine has a long way to go before they are out from under their mistakes.

Russia will keep working toward their objective a lot longer than Europeans can freeze themselves, a lot longer than the west will support Ukraine, a lot longer than Americans can keep shelling out hundreds of billions to corrupt people, and a lot longer than the entire world can handle inflated prices that are threatening a global recession.

The West is not able to end this in their favor. They miscalculated again. Ukraine miscalculated more. The time to pay for these mistakes is not over.

The longer it lasts, the better it is for NATO. The next 6 months will be tougher for the EU than for Russia economically. But as development of new LNG channels to the EU form, the Russian energy trump card begins to lose its value as a lever against the west. Meanwhile, the west need only continue to pump more and newer weapons into the fray. Already the long range HIMARS are savaging the Russian supply line and forcing Russian artillery to reduce its fire rate. Once more get there (and there will be more coming), added with better anti-aircraft systems the war will quickly become very much a stalemated quagmire perfectly suited to grind the Russian war machine down to a much less concerning issue for the west. Soon Ukrainian F-16's and A-10's (yes, thats going to happen) will be operating with impunity in Ukrainian air space. Once that happens, the ability of Russia to perform any significant offensive operation will be over. At that point, Russian morale broken, insurgency attacks springing up all along already wrecked Russian supply lines---Putin will watch helplessly as the operational initiative flips over to the Ukrainian side.

Russia is not stupid. Once they realized that the Ukrainian misadventure would not be the easy romp they expected for their army, they knew that they would actually start losing this war if it goes on too long. I suspect they will want to engage in peace talks prior to winter setting in. That is the last time they will have any real leverage in any peace talks. Once the EU makes it through this winter----the Russian Army is done. Russia will have no leverage and a broken ground down army largely running on crappy 1960's era reserve equipment. On the other side, fresh from suffering through a miserable winter due to the Russians war of expansion, the EU nations will be united behind the idea of making sure the Russian Army suffers mightily for its campaign of unwarranted mass destruction and murder in Ukraine. Game over.

Let's say all of this happens. Who will pay to rebuild Ukraine?

you will with a healthy dose of graft straight off the top for the globalists.
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RE: NATO/EU sanctions on Russia falling apart
(07-25-2022 09:26 AM)shere khan Wrote:  
(07-25-2022 08:52 AM)miko33 Wrote:  
(07-24-2022 04:37 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(07-24-2022 03:34 PM)Todor Wrote:  
(07-24-2022 11:40 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  Just intuitively, I think that may be the case, as well. Which leads to the question: is the status-quo (however you want to define it) acceptable to … Ukraine? / Russia? / EU-NATO? / America?

Why would Russia give up so easily? If it wasn’t an important military operation, they wouldn’t have undertaken it. Ukraine has a long way to go before they are out from under their mistakes.

Russia will keep working toward their objective a lot longer than Europeans can freeze themselves, a lot longer than the west will support Ukraine, a lot longer than Americans can keep shelling out hundreds of billions to corrupt people, and a lot longer than the entire world can handle inflated prices that are threatening a global recession.

The West is not able to end this in their favor. They miscalculated again. Ukraine miscalculated more. The time to pay for these mistakes is not over.

The longer it lasts, the better it is for NATO. The next 6 months will be tougher for the EU than for Russia economically. But as development of new LNG channels to the EU form, the Russian energy trump card begins to lose its value as a lever against the west. Meanwhile, the west need only continue to pump more and newer weapons into the fray. Already the long range HIMARS are savaging the Russian supply line and forcing Russian artillery to reduce its fire rate. Once more get there (and there will be more coming), added with better anti-aircraft systems the war will quickly become very much a stalemated quagmire perfectly suited to grind the Russian war machine down to a much less concerning issue for the west. Soon Ukrainian F-16's and A-10's (yes, thats going to happen) will be operating with impunity in Ukrainian air space. Once that happens, the ability of Russia to perform any significant offensive operation will be over. At that point, Russian morale broken, insurgency attacks springing up all along already wrecked Russian supply lines---Putin will watch helplessly as the operational initiative flips over to the Ukrainian side.

Russia is not stupid. Once they realized that the Ukrainian misadventure would not be the easy romp they expected for their army, they knew that they would actually start losing this war if it goes on too long. I suspect they will want to engage in peace talks prior to winter setting in. That is the last time they will have any real leverage in any peace talks. Once the EU makes it through this winter----the Russian Army is done. Russia will have no leverage and a broken ground down army largely running on crappy 1960's era reserve equipment. On the other side, fresh from suffering through a miserable winter due to the Russians war of expansion, the EU nations will be united behind the idea of making sure the Russian Army suffers mightily for its campaign of unwarranted mass destruction and murder in Ukraine. Game over.

Let's say all of this happens. Who will pay to rebuild Ukraine?

you will with a healthy dose of graft straight off the top for the globalists.

That's what I think will happen IF Ukraine wins. Either way, USA loses...
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(07-24-2022 05:17 AM)Todor Wrote:  Overall, it was a great week for Russia and the world. These should all help eliminate some of the pressure on food and oil prices.

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(07-25-2022 08:52 AM)miko33 Wrote:  Let's say all of this happens. Who will pay to rebuild Ukraine?

Western taxpayers. The political elite will profit. The rest of us are losers.
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(07-25-2022 09:15 AM)MAN4UAB Wrote:  One take on the rebuild.

Rebuilding Ukraine after the War
March 22, 2022

Russia’s invasion of Ukraine comes straight out of the playbook of the last century. A large country marches into a smaller, weaker neighbor with the intent of expanding its own territory and resources and imposing its own polity on another. Ukraine is a rich prize indeed, with substantial mineral resources, a strong agricultural sector, and of course human capital. There are many grim possibilities for future outcomes—but there is also the chance that some sort of settlement is reached that results in an independent Ukraine, with democratically elected leaders. It is clear that Russia is facing fierce resistance, and analysts such as Eliot A. Cohen have even gone so far as to predict Putin will lose. It is difficult to talk about recovery while civilians are still under attack, while hospitals are being bombed, and where cities have lost power and water, but thinking about recovery means envisioning a post-conflict future, and that links to the twin messages of hope and the necessity to keep fighting.

The invasion and the war may follow a twentieth-century playbook, but effective recovery is a twenty-first-century skill. If the destruction of so much of Ukraine’s infrastructure is put into a “disaster” framework, then the natural disaster response and disaster recovery offer a plethora of lessons. And this invasion—with its increasingly indiscriminate targeting of physical, natural, and human infrastructure—has created a real disaster. It is a man-made disaster relating to conflict, not a natural one relating to weather or earthquakes, but some of the lessons hold.

Should the Ukrainian resistance prevail, and Ukraine maintain its status as an independent country, President Zelensky must plan the next steps for the nation. The lesson from disasters is that the first step is response. Helping the people in the immediate aftermath of a disaster—ensuring clean water, adequate power, medical care to the sick and wounded—takes priority. This is the triage phase, and it involves doing whatever it takes to make people safe, now.

The next phase is recovery.

In the recovery phase, actions are taken to return to some sort of “normal” where people can live, go to school, and go to work. There are many lessons from disasters across the globe, both human-caused and natural. There are fewer disasters with a whole-of-economy impact. These disasters are more appropriate to compare against Ukraine’s situation, given that the scale of the Russian attacks at this point seem focused on destroying infrastructure and depopulating the nation.

In a whole-of-economy disaster, a visionary recovery plan can offer an integrated approach to recovery. Puerto Rico’s response to the devastation of Hurricane Maria in 2017 offers one example. The government of Puerto Rico delivered a congressionally mandated economic and disaster recovery plan, which was unique in the disaster recovery literature in the scale and scope of the topics that it covered. Hurricane Maria devastated the island, so a whole-of-island recovery plan was required. Post-conflict recovery and post-natural disaster recovery are two different tasks, but the principles of planning and the strategy to build back thoughtfully rather than rebuild the infrastructure are the same.

Puerto Rico has 1.5 percent of the land mass of Ukraine and about 8 percent of Ukraine’s population, so it is a considerably different problem on a very different scale, but there are still lessons to be learned across the physical, natural, and human infrastructure spectrum. One commonality is that Puerto Rico also faced depopulation over time, with population reaching a high of about 3.8 million in the 2000 census, falling to just under 3.3 million in 2020. The recovery approach required emphasis on rebuilding a strong and competitive economy to which out-migrants might want to return.

The recovery plan described the overarching vision: “To build the new Puerto Rico to meet the current and future needs of the people through sustainable economic development and social transformation; transparent and innovative approaches to governance; resilient, modern, and state-of-the-art infrastructure; and a safe, educated, healthy, and sustainable society.” The next step to achieving this vision was breaking it down into specific goals regarding society, economy, resilience, and infrastructure. Puerto Rico developed short-term (one to two years) and long-term (three to eleven years) recovery goals that were specific to the island’s challenges and were designed to support recovery. These goals were actualized in a set of several hundred specific actions, with a total investment estimated at $139 billion. The recovery actions sprung from an analysis of preexisting conditions, the damage from the hurricane, and how to “build back better.”

After the war, President Zelensky will face the task of leading the rebuilding of his country. He and his advisers will need to develop a vision for the future of Ukraine. And that vision does not need to be— indeed, probably should not be—rebuilding it to exactly the way it was before.

Recovery is also always an opportunity, with a wide variety of approaches to improve on the past. Updated building codes and green building techniques can save energy and reduce water use and may help make Ukraine a leader in green energy. Analyses can help decide where to best invest in the rebuilding of roads and where to locate modern medical facilities. Schools destroyed? Rebuild them with modern technology, where students live. Invest in reforesting and natural infrastructure. Dig common trenches next to roads for water, electrical, and telecommunications.

The massive physical and natural infrastructure damage caused by the Russian attacks will require significant planning and investment—very likely in the hundreds of billions of dollars. At this point in the war, with a clean victory unlikely, Russia seems to have embarked on a cost-imposing strategy of massive destruction. The analogy of World War II is far from perfect, since Germany and Japan were the aggressor nations, but both recovered from major devastation and developed robust economies. The European Recovery Plan, more commonly known as the Marshall Plan, was key for Germany, and Japan also received significant aid. Ukraine will need massive funds to rebuild. These funds will not be generated from the economy at first, so foreign aid will be necessary—and the scale of recovery will be enormous, beyond what any one nation can fund. Countries interested in ensuring that Ukraine has a robust future—and perhaps stands as a bulwark against Russia—will need to contribute. Other funders may be risk averse. That said, these investments will serve a strategic purpose, sending a message to adversaries that Western allied nations will stick together and to other nations that there are benefits to alignment with these allies. Finally, Ukraine will need to directly address concerns about and work to combat corruption, to ensure that funds are spent for their intended purpose. Transparency will be key to building trust with funders, with appropriate metrics to help send the message that donations are going to the intended purpose.

A second challenge includes building support for the several million or more refugees so they can return home. Conflict-related forced displacement tends to be longer term than natural disaster-related displacement, which is often short-term in nature. The longer people stay away, the more likely they are to develop a new life, and the harder it is to return home. In Puerto Rico, the majority of out-migration was related to economic issues and opportunities in the 50 states rather than specifically linked to Hurricane Maria, so getting those who have left to return is no simple matter. Furthermore, younger and healthier people find it easier to move, meaning that the population left after the disaster is older, sicker, and generally poorer. Ukraine will face its own challenges, including the wholesale destruction of homes, schools, medical facilities, and places of work.

A last challenge relates to caring for the physical and mental trauma caused by the Russian invasion. Post-traumatic stress is a terrible outcome of war, and the challenge of making the population feel safe and secure given the attack from their next-door neighbor is significant, and extraordinarily important. Thousands of Ukrainians of all ages have been killed, leaving many more survivors in mourning.

These tasks may seem daunting, but they are tractable to start to address even if perfect solutions and full recovery will never be possible—too many people have lost loved ones for that to be possible. The work for Ukraine should include building capacity to manage and implement recovery. President Zelensky excels in communication. Developing a recovery vision and communicating with funders will be key to recovery.

At the time of this commentary, the war in Ukraine is still ongoing, with no clear way out. Ugly attacks continue almost without ceasing, and the pictures of the devastation are heartbreaking. We can hope that it is darkest before dawn, that soon the violence will cease, and that Ukraine will continue to exist as an independent and democratic nation embarking on an inspiring and effective national recovery. The attention of Ukraine’s leadership is now rightly focused on the war, but understanding that the next step includes triage and planning for recovery phases to come will leave Ukraine better prepared when that day arrives.

Cynthia Cook is director of the Defense-Industrial Initiatives Group and a senior fellow in the International Security Program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, D.C.

03-lmfao Prog filth, globalist shill if there ever was one.

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RE: NATO/EU sanctions on Russia falling apart
(07-25-2022 08:52 AM)miko33 Wrote:  
(07-24-2022 04:37 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(07-24-2022 03:34 PM)Todor Wrote:  
(07-24-2022 11:40 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(07-24-2022 11:33 AM)bullet Wrote:  It looks like Russia's military is on its last legs and has run out of steam. We are likely to get into a stalemate period.
Just intuitively, I think that may be the case, as well. Which leads to the question: is the status-quo (however you want to define it) acceptable to … Ukraine? / Russia? / EU-NATO? / America?

Why would Russia give up so easily? If it wasn’t an important military operation, they wouldn’t have undertaken it. Ukraine has a long way to go before they are out from under their mistakes.

Russia will keep working toward their objective a lot longer than Europeans can freeze themselves, a lot longer than the west will support Ukraine, a lot longer than Americans can keep shelling out hundreds of billions to corrupt people, and a lot longer than the entire world can handle inflated prices that are threatening a global recession.

The West is not able to end this in their favor. They miscalculated again. Ukraine miscalculated more. The time to pay for these mistakes is not over.

The longer it lasts, the better it is for NATO. The next 6 months will be tougher for the EU than for Russia economically. But as development of new LNG channels to the EU form, the Russian energy trump card begins to lose its value as a lever against the west. Meanwhile, the west need only continue to pump more and newer weapons into the fray. Already the long range HIMARS are savaging the Russian supply line and forcing Russian artillery to reduce its fire rate. Once more get there (and there will be more coming), added with better anti-aircraft systems the war will quickly become very much a stalemated quagmire perfectly suited to grind the Russian war machine down to a much less concerning issue for the west. Soon Ukrainian F-16's and A-10's (yes, thats going to happen) will be operating with impunity in Ukrainian air space. Once that happens, the ability of Russia to perform any significant offensive operation will be over. At that point, Russian morale broken, insurgency attacks springing up all along already wrecked Russian supply lines---Putin will watch helplessly as the operational initiative flips over to the Ukrainian side.

Russia is not stupid. Once they realized that the Ukrainian misadventure would not be the easy romp they expected for their army, they knew that they would actually start losing this war if it goes on too long. I suspect they will want to engage in peace talks prior to winter setting in. That is the last time they will have any real leverage in any peace talks. Once the EU makes it through this winter----the Russian Army is done. Russia will have no leverage and a broken ground down army largely running on crappy 1960's era reserve equipment. On the other side, fresh from suffering through a miserable winter due to the Russians war of expansion, the EU nations will be united behind the idea of making sure the Russian Army suffers mightily for its campaign of unwarranted mass destruction and murder in Ukraine. Game over.

Let's say all of this happens. Who will pay to rebuild Ukraine?

Expect a large part of those frozen Russian assets to play a big role.
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(07-25-2022 11:12 AM)b2b Wrote:  
(07-25-2022 09:15 AM)MAN4UAB Wrote:  One take on the rebuild.

Rebuilding Ukraine after the War
March 22, 2022

Russia’s invasion of Ukraine comes straight out of the playbook of the last century. A large country marches into a smaller, weaker neighbor with the intent of expanding its own territory and resources and imposing its own polity on another. Ukraine is a rich prize indeed, with substantial mineral resources, a strong agricultural sector, and of course human capital. There are many grim possibilities for future outcomes—but there is also the chance that some sort of settlement is reached that results in an independent Ukraine, with democratically elected leaders. It is clear that Russia is facing fierce resistance, and analysts such as Eliot A. Cohen have even gone so far as to predict Putin will lose. It is difficult to talk about recovery while civilians are still under attack, while hospitals are being bombed, and where cities have lost power and water, but thinking about recovery means envisioning a post-conflict future, and that links to the twin messages of hope and the necessity to keep fighting.

The invasion and the war may follow a twentieth-century playbook, but effective recovery is a twenty-first-century skill. If the destruction of so much of Ukraine’s infrastructure is put into a “disaster” framework, then the natural disaster response and disaster recovery offer a plethora of lessons. And this invasion—with its increasingly indiscriminate targeting of physical, natural, and human infrastructure—has created a real disaster. It is a man-made disaster relating to conflict, not a natural one relating to weather or earthquakes, but some of the lessons hold.

Should the Ukrainian resistance prevail, and Ukraine maintain its status as an independent country, President Zelensky must plan the next steps for the nation. The lesson from disasters is that the first step is response. Helping the people in the immediate aftermath of a disaster—ensuring clean water, adequate power, medical care to the sick and wounded—takes priority. This is the triage phase, and it involves doing whatever it takes to make people safe, now.

The next phase is recovery.

In the recovery phase, actions are taken to return to some sort of “normal” where people can live, go to school, and go to work. There are many lessons from disasters across the globe, both human-caused and natural. There are fewer disasters with a whole-of-economy impact. These disasters are more appropriate to compare against Ukraine’s situation, given that the scale of the Russian attacks at this point seem focused on destroying infrastructure and depopulating the nation.

In a whole-of-economy disaster, a visionary recovery plan can offer an integrated approach to recovery. Puerto Rico’s response to the devastation of Hurricane Maria in 2017 offers one example. The government of Puerto Rico delivered a congressionally mandated economic and disaster recovery plan, which was unique in the disaster recovery literature in the scale and scope of the topics that it covered. Hurricane Maria devastated the island, so a whole-of-island recovery plan was required. Post-conflict recovery and post-natural disaster recovery are two different tasks, but the principles of planning and the strategy to build back thoughtfully rather than rebuild the infrastructure are the same.

Puerto Rico has 1.5 percent of the land mass of Ukraine and about 8 percent of Ukraine’s population, so it is a considerably different problem on a very different scale, but there are still lessons to be learned across the physical, natural, and human infrastructure spectrum. One commonality is that Puerto Rico also faced depopulation over time, with population reaching a high of about 3.8 million in the 2000 census, falling to just under 3.3 million in 2020. The recovery approach required emphasis on rebuilding a strong and competitive economy to which out-migrants might want to return.

The recovery plan described the overarching vision: “To build the new Puerto Rico to meet the current and future needs of the people through sustainable economic development and social transformation; transparent and innovative approaches to governance; resilient, modern, and state-of-the-art infrastructure; and a safe, educated, healthy, and sustainable society.” The next step to achieving this vision was breaking it down into specific goals regarding society, economy, resilience, and infrastructure. Puerto Rico developed short-term (one to two years) and long-term (three to eleven years) recovery goals that were specific to the island’s challenges and were designed to support recovery. These goals were actualized in a set of several hundred specific actions, with a total investment estimated at $139 billion. The recovery actions sprung from an analysis of preexisting conditions, the damage from the hurricane, and how to “build back better.”

After the war, President Zelensky will face the task of leading the rebuilding of his country. He and his advisers will need to develop a vision for the future of Ukraine. And that vision does not need to be— indeed, probably should not be—rebuilding it to exactly the way it was before.

Recovery is also always an opportunity, with a wide variety of approaches to improve on the past. Updated building codes and green building techniques can save energy and reduce water use and may help make Ukraine a leader in green energy. Analyses can help decide where to best invest in the rebuilding of roads and where to locate modern medical facilities. Schools destroyed? Rebuild them with modern technology, where students live. Invest in reforesting and natural infrastructure. Dig common trenches next to roads for water, electrical, and telecommunications.

The massive physical and natural infrastructure damage caused by the Russian attacks will require significant planning and investment—very likely in the hundreds of billions of dollars. At this point in the war, with a clean victory unlikely, Russia seems to have embarked on a cost-imposing strategy of massive destruction. The analogy of World War II is far from perfect, since Germany and Japan were the aggressor nations, but both recovered from major devastation and developed robust economies. The European Recovery Plan, more commonly known as the Marshall Plan, was key for Germany, and Japan also received significant aid. Ukraine will need massive funds to rebuild. These funds will not be generated from the economy at first, so foreign aid will be necessary—and the scale of recovery will be enormous, beyond what any one nation can fund. Countries interested in ensuring that Ukraine has a robust future—and perhaps stands as a bulwark against Russia—will need to contribute. Other funders may be risk averse. That said, these investments will serve a strategic purpose, sending a message to adversaries that Western allied nations will stick together and to other nations that there are benefits to alignment with these allies. Finally, Ukraine will need to directly address concerns about and work to combat corruption, to ensure that funds are spent for their intended purpose. Transparency will be key to building trust with funders, with appropriate metrics to help send the message that donations are going to the intended purpose.

A second challenge includes building support for the several million or more refugees so they can return home. Conflict-related forced displacement tends to be longer term than natural disaster-related displacement, which is often short-term in nature. The longer people stay away, the more likely they are to develop a new life, and the harder it is to return home. In Puerto Rico, the majority of out-migration was related to economic issues and opportunities in the 50 states rather than specifically linked to Hurricane Maria, so getting those who have left to return is no simple matter. Furthermore, younger and healthier people find it easier to move, meaning that the population left after the disaster is older, sicker, and generally poorer. Ukraine will face its own challenges, including the wholesale destruction of homes, schools, medical facilities, and places of work.

A last challenge relates to caring for the physical and mental trauma caused by the Russian invasion. Post-traumatic stress is a terrible outcome of war, and the challenge of making the population feel safe and secure given the attack from their next-door neighbor is significant, and extraordinarily important. Thousands of Ukrainians of all ages have been killed, leaving many more survivors in mourning.

These tasks may seem daunting, but they are tractable to start to address even if perfect solutions and full recovery will never be possible—too many people have lost loved ones for that to be possible. The work for Ukraine should include building capacity to manage and implement recovery. President Zelensky excels in communication. Developing a recovery vision and communicating with funders will be key to recovery.

At the time of this commentary, the war in Ukraine is still ongoing, with no clear way out. Ugly attacks continue almost without ceasing, and the pictures of the devastation are heartbreaking. We can hope that it is darkest before dawn, that soon the violence will cease, and that Ukraine will continue to exist as an independent and democratic nation embarking on an inspiring and effective national recovery. The attention of Ukraine’s leadership is now rightly focused on the war, but understanding that the next step includes triage and planning for recovery phases to come will leave Ukraine better prepared when that day arrives.

Cynthia Cook is director of the Defense-Industrial Initiatives Group and a senior fellow in the International Security Program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, D.C.

03-lmfao Prog filth, globalist shill if there ever was one.

https://www.csis.org/people/cynthia-cook

She holds a PhD in sociology from Harvard University

She led the implementation research for the 2010 report Sexual Orientation and U.S. Military Personnel Policy , which contributed to the elimination of Don't Ask Don't Tell.

From 1997 to 2021, Dr. Cook worked at the RAND Corporation, where she oversaw, led, and worked on a wide range of studies

https://twitter.com/cynthiarcook

Ukraine flag in the bio and all.






So, what part of the article are you in disagreement with? What are your recommendations for after the war ends?
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(07-25-2022 11:34 AM)MAN4UAB Wrote:  So, what part of the article are you in disagreement with? What are your recommendations for after the war ends?

I recommend doing nothing. Not from taxpayers pockets anyway. If NGO's want to tackle it they can. You can donate as much as you want. We shouldn't be forcefully separated from any more of our money to clean up all of the world's problems. We've got more than enough here.
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Money will flow into Ukraine to “rebuild” and will flow right back out in suitcases packed with millions of dollars. We have already seen that happening at Ukraines borders.

The west can try to keep individual Russians, even state property to give to Ukraine, but the amount of Western assets Russia will seize as a reciprocal measure will ensure the West and NATO countries do indeed pay for it all. There is simply no way around that fact.
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