Player Unions? Revenue Sharing? Hell all it needs now is a Collective Bargaining Agreement and it's just another professional league.

This is getting way out of hand really quick.

The NFL has the pro market cornered - compared to the NFL, college football is pretty crappy but that was ok because it was amateur athletes playing for their school, for an education, and for a few a shot at the NFL.

If it truly does become just minor league professional football I don't think it'll have much more interest in the long term than minor league professional baseball - it may take awhile for the fans to adjust but they will....

(07-22-2022 02:18 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  Player Unions? Revenue Sharing? Hell all it needs now is a Collective Bargaining Agreement and it's just another professional league.

This is getting way out of hand really quick.

The NFL has the pro market cornered - compared to the NFL, college football is pretty crappy but that was ok because it was amateur athletes playing for their school, for an education, and for a few a shot at the NFL.

If it truly does become just minor league professional football I don't think it'll have much more interest in the long term than minor league professional baseball - it may take awhile for the fans to adjust but they will....

Again, the same as immediate transfers, NIL and now this, there is no doubt that it is good for the players and bad for the fans. The bottom line is that the players should do what is best and the fans should as well. This will definitely be a major separator of the haves and have nots.

Definitely the beginning of the P2.

(07-22-2022 02:24 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-22-2022 02:18 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  Player Unions? Revenue Sharing? Hell all it needs now is a Collective Bargaining Agreement and it's just another professional league.

This is getting way out of hand really quick.

The NFL has the pro market cornered - compared to the NFL, college football is pretty crappy but that was ok because it was amateur athletes playing for their school, for an education, and for a few a shot at the NFL.

If it truly does become just minor league professional football I don't think it'll have much more interest in the long term than minor league professional baseball - it may take awhile for the fans to adjust but they will....

Again, the same as immediate transfers, NIL and now this, there is no doubt that it is good for the players and bad for the fans. The bottom line is that the players should do what is best and the fans should as well. This will definitely be a major separator of the haves and have nots.

Ugh. I do not want college football and men's basketball to become de facto minor league pro sports but it sure looks like that is where it is heading. College baseball has stayed college baseball because of the availability of minor league baseball - multiple levels of it.

If the NFL teams had 'farm' teams as an option for kids coming out of high school and or leaving school early it would water down the college product to the point where college football could have stayed 'college football'.

I guess the counter point is that G5 and FCS, D2, and D3 football already provide enough lower level opportunities for players?

I absolutely hate the direction college football has moved.....

for the 7th year in a row, alabama is the pre-season pick to win the sec

Can one sport's athletes at a university do this and it not affect the others? Not sure that the athletes in the non-revenue producing sports would really buy in to revenue sharing, they would have to pay to play.

Or will some Ph.D. accountants get serious on calculating the total cost to the university for a football program (academic support, maintenance on the English building to help support their eligibility, equipment, etc) and make all the revenue magically disappear?

(07-23-2022 09:54 AM)Unionman76 Wrote:  for the 7th year in a row, alabama is the pre-season pick to win the sec

And for the 7th year in a row they will make the exhibition NIT whether they win their conference or not. But that does leave 3 slots open for 6 or 7 other teams to compete for. Gee, doesn't that make the regular season thrilling?

I think Chris Low is right. Headed to 1 super-league of about 36 teams. They will have their own playoff system and take 90% of the tv money. They will pay their players salaries. It will not be regulated by the NCAA. They will mostly schedule inter-league, but allow a 2-3 "non-league" games a year. The super-league will be for football only - or at the most, fb and bb only. Other sports will remain in legacy conferences.

We - along with half the current P5 programs - will be outside looking in. But it is what it is. We can still have a competitive league and playoff with rivals like Louisville, Cincy, Houston, UCF, Boise, etc.

Let’s unionize fans. There’s more of us.

Would you pay a $25 membership fee to contribute to a voice in this CF created by pure greed?

(07-24-2022 08:27 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  Let’s unionize fans. There’s more of us.

Would you pay a $25 membership fee to contribute to a voice in this CF created by pure greed?

Close. I could stop paying for bball season tix, fball season tix, tv and merch. Then these guys can stop trying to figure out how to split my money.

(07-23-2022 03:18 PM)tigerengineer Wrote:  Can one sport's athletes at a university do this and it not affect the others? Not sure that the athletes in the non-revenue producing sports would really buy in to revenue sharing, they would have to pay to play.

Or will some Ph.D. accountants get serious on calculating the total cost to the university for a football program (academic support, maintenance on the English building to help support their eligibility, equipment, etc) and make all the revenue magically disappear?

So like movie production studio math? Movie with a budget of $100 million takes in $300 million, and somehow still doesn't make a "profit" due to their accounting.

(07-25-2022 11:29 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(07-23-2022 03:18 PM)tigerengineer Wrote:  Can one sport's athletes at a university do this and it not affect the others? Not sure that the athletes in the non-revenue producing sports would really buy in to revenue sharing, they would have to pay to play.

Or will some Ph.D. accountants get serious on calculating the total cost to the university for a football program (academic support, maintenance on the English building to help support their eligibility, equipment, etc) and make all the revenue magically disappear?

So like movie production studio math? Movie with a budget of $100 million takes in $300 million, and somehow still doesn't make a "profit" due to their accounting.

you got it, the school has to report the revenue for the sharing calculation. the first school that actually reports a profit should fire their accountant

(07-24-2022 08:07 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  I think Chris Low is right. Headed to 1 super-league of about 36 teams. They will have their own playoff system and take 90% of the tv money. They will pay their players salaries. It will not be regulated by the NCAA. They will mostly schedule inter-league, but allow a 2-3 "non-league" games a year. The super-league will be for football only - or at the most, fb and bb only. Other sports will remain in legacy conferences.

We - along with half the current P5 programs - will be outside looking in. But it is what it is. We can still have a competitive league and playoff with rivals like Louisville, Cincy, Houston, UCF, Boise, etc.

In the long run this may be the best case scenario for Memphis. It would basically remove the top 36 teams from the current system. We already don't compete with those teams. They won't schedule us, they won't let us compete in the championship playoffs, and we receive about 1/5 of the money the top teams receive. In the new system, we would receive less money, but we would also need less money if we are no longer trying to keep up with the top programs.

The only thing I disagree with is I don't see the power conference scheduling with teams in the lower conference. It would be a lose lose situation for the power team. It would be like the Cardinals playing the Redbirds in a game that counts towards regular season standings.

(07-27-2022 11:42 AM)gotohellolemiss Wrote:  In the long run this may be the best case scenario for Memphis. It would basically remove the top 36 teams from the current system. We already don't compete with those teams. They won't schedule us, they won't let us compete in the championship playoffs, and we receive about 1/5 of the money the top teams receive. In the new system, we would receive less money, but we would also need less money if we are no longer trying to keep up with the top programs.

I agree. Let's change the market. They become semi-pro. We try to stay 'real' college football. Let the marketing directors do battle for eye balls and funds. Bet we end up better than we are now.

(07-27-2022 11:42 AM)gotohellolemiss Wrote:  The only thing I disagree with is I don't see the power conference scheduling with teams in the lower conference. It would be a lose lose situation for the power team. It would be like the Cardinals playing the Redbirds in a game that counts towards regular season standings.

Dunno, bet the PC's keep the patsy logic to pad the wins. Bammer is playing 2 RPS teams below 88 and 1 AA team this year.