Talks about a partnership between the Big 12 and the Pac-12, which had been discussed extensively the past two weeks, have officially ended....so what's next for Big 12???

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(07-18-2022 10:19 PM)uofmlimbo Wrote:  Talks about a partnership between the Big 12 and the Pac-12, which had been discussed extensively the past two weeks, have officially ended....so what's next for Big 12???

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...cially-end

Most likely, the Big 12 will try to add some PAC schools (e.g., AZ, ASU, CU, & Utah), and if that isn't possible, they will add the four strongest available G5 schools at some point in the next few months.

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(07-18-2022 10:52 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  

(07-18-2022 10:19 PM)uofmlimbo Wrote:  Talks about a partnership between the Big 12 and the Pac-12, which had been discussed extensively the past two weeks, have officially ended....so what's next for Big 12???

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...cially-end

Most likely, the Big 12 will try to add some PAC schools (e.g., AZ, ASU, CU, & Utah), and if that isn't possible, they will add the four strongest available G5 schools at some point in the next few months.

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Don't see the PAC adding teams at all. Don't see the B-12 adding any schools either since there are no schools that will bring additional revenue except possibly some PAC schools who apparently aren't coming.

Since the Pac is in negotiations for TV rights at this point, they talk to the TV people about a contract at 10 members, a contract with SDSU added for the So. California market, and a contract with SDSU plus one more to return to 12. Then the Pac goes from there with any potential realignment, also with poaching some B-12 schools, if possible, with a TV price for that. Seems the B-12 schools are hanging together for the Texas / Oklahoma cash out at this time anyway. Also remember Oregon and Washington have roving eyes for the B-10 at this time too, so they may want to stay at 10 schools for a while until they see if the B-10 gives them a brass ring out of the conference. In all money talks and will spearhead any direction the Pac takes in the short-term future.

(07-19-2022 07:43 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(07-18-2022 10:52 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  

(07-18-2022 10:19 PM)uofmlimbo Wrote:  Talks about a partnership between the Big 12 and the Pac-12, which had been discussed extensively the past two weeks, have officially ended....so what's next for Big 12???

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...cially-end

Most likely, the Big 12 will try to add some PAC schools (e.g., AZ, ASU, CU, & Utah), and if that isn't possible, they will add the four strongest available G5 schools at some point in the next few months.

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Don't see the PAC adding teams at all. Don't see the B-12 adding any schools either since there are no schools that will bring additional revenue except possibly some PAC schools who apparently aren't coming.

Well, we know that ALL the PAC schools "apparently aren't coming." We don't know that SOME of the PAC schools aren't coming.

PAC can either stick together and sign a new GOR or die.

Big 12 still looking to add Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado and Utah.

(07-18-2022 10:52 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  

(07-18-2022 10:19 PM)uofmlimbo Wrote:  Talks about a partnership between the Big 12 and the Pac-12, which had been discussed extensively the past two weeks, have officially ended....so what's next for Big 12???

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...cially-end

Most likely, the Big 12 will try to add some PAC schools (e.g., AZ, ASU, CU, & Utah), and if that isn't possible, they will add the four strongest available G5 schools at some point in the next few months.

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Don't get the motivation to add G5s in the event that PACs don't join. How have the circumstances changed from when they added our teams? Wouldn't they just have added more then?

(07-19-2022 08:52 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

PAC can either stick together and sign a new GOR or die.

Big 12 still looking to add Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado and Utah.

You think the Big12 will sign a GOR? OKState, Kansas and WV aren’t signing one either

The days of the GOR are over

(07-19-2022 10:39 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(07-19-2022 08:52 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

PAC can either stick together and sign a new GOR or die.

Big 12 still looking to add Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado and Utah.

You think the Big12 will sign a GOR? OKState, Kansas and WV aren’t signing one either

The days of the GOR are over

There will still be GOR, just shorter media deals (7-8 years) and a GOR like the AAC had. Pay a penalty, not giving up your media rights for the life of the contract. You are tethered, but not stuck in a conference.

In order to maximize value, the Big 12/FOX should look to add Arizona and Colorado first to destabilize the PAC further. Then you make your pitch to Oregon and Washington and see what happens.

If OU and UW decline, then I think you deliver a kill shot, add ASU/Utah, and call it a day.

If OU and UW accept, then I think you need to think about adding Cal and Stanford instead of ASU and Utah since the Big 12 will already have a foothold in those states.

(07-18-2022 10:52 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  

(07-18-2022 10:19 PM)uofmlimbo Wrote:  Talks about a partnership between the Big 12 and the Pac-12, which had been discussed extensively the past two weeks, have officially ended....so what's next for Big 12???

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...cially-end

Most likely, the Big 12 will try to add some PAC schools (e.g., AZ, ASU, CU, & Utah), and if that isn't possible, they will add the four strongest available G5 schools at some point in the next few months.

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you say that like there is this requirement that the b12 get to 16. "so if 4 from the pac 12 aren't possible they'll just have to get 4 from elsewhere." that doesn't make any sense.

(07-19-2022 11:19 AM)bearcat29 Wrote:  

(07-19-2022 10:39 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(07-19-2022 08:52 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

PAC can either stick together and sign a new GOR or die.

Big 12 still looking to add Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado and Utah.

You think the Big12 will sign a GOR? OKState, Kansas and WV aren’t signing one either

The days of the GOR are over

There will still be GOR, just shorter media deals (7-8 years) and a GOR like the AAC had. Pay a penalty, not giving up your media rights for the life of the contract. You are tethered, but not stuck in a conference.

Then that's not a GoR. It's an exit fee. Way different.

(07-19-2022 10:39 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(07-19-2022 08:52 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

PAC can either stick together and sign a new GOR or die.

Big 12 still looking to add Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado and Utah.

You think the Big12 will sign a GOR? OKState, Kansas and WV aren’t signing one either

The days of the GOR are over

1-2 yrs remaining on the B-12 GOR & it's onerous enough to have kept UT/UO playing in the B-12 2 yrs longer than they wanted to.

(07-19-2022 12:19 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(07-19-2022 10:39 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(07-19-2022 08:52 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

PAC can either stick together and sign a new GOR or die.

Big 12 still looking to add Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado and Utah.

You think the Big12 will sign a GOR? OKState, Kansas and WV aren’t signing one either

The days of the GOR are over

1-2 yrs remaining on the B-12 GOR & it's onerous enough to have kept UT/UO playing in the B-12 2 yrs longer than they wanted to.

Which is why I said no one will sign one going forward

The guy who told me that Rice was getting into the AAC says that SDSU is getting into the PAC. He feels confident.

Makes sense to me. Honestly, I hope it’s true. Met a lot of cool Aztec fans and they’ve been building it the right way for a long time. Their new stadium couldn’t be timed better, cause the PAC needs BIG markets.

(07-19-2022 10:39 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(07-19-2022 08:52 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

PAC can either stick together and sign a new GOR or die.

Big 12 still looking to add Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado and Utah.

You think the Big12 will sign a GOR? OKState, Kansas and WV aren’t signing one either

The days of the GOR are over

Yep, the best any conference can do now is an exit fee. Might as well make it nasty, but nobody is locking in like that anymore.

We are all officially whores for hire, and so far, I am liking the lipstick USF has been putting on. Now if we can get one particular team to win.

(07-19-2022 11:47 AM)UCbball21 Wrote:  In order to maximize value, the Big 12/FOX should look to add Arizona and Colorado first to destabilize the PAC further. Then you make your pitch to Oregon and Washington and see what happens.

If OU and UW decline, then I think you deliver a kill shot, add ASU/Utah, and call it a day.

If OU and UW accept, then I think you need to think about adding Cal and Stanford instead of ASU and Utah since the Big 12 will already have a foothold in those states.

If P10 sticks together, then B12 won't pick off anyone from P10. I lived in Phoenix for several years and the few college fans in met out there don't think much of the schools outside of P12. UA and ASU may be force to join B12 one day, but it would be like the last resort. I'm 99% sure they would invite a couple of teams from MW instead of going to B12. Asking ASU to join the B12 would be like asking Cincy join CUSA.

I think the Big 12 will offer between 2 and 6 PAC programs a spot in the very near future. If they do so, it's already done and is a PR formality.

On the much less likely chance that it doesn't happen, I think the PAC stays together, licks its wounds, swallows its hurt pride, and eventually offers SDSU and a balance program (likely MWC #2) to get back to 12.

I don't think Oregon and Washington pass muster on the B1G / SEC value test (numerous media outlets have confirmed they don't), and I do not believe the West Coast ACC theories. The odd thing is the # of B1G programs that wouldn't come close to passing that test if they had to reapply to join (see ya Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, etc...) That is why it's hard for Duck and Huskies fans to swallow.

If there is in deed a desire to go to 20 schools by the Big and the SEC. That's a big "IF". Now if I were the Big 12 and the PAC 10 decided to stick together. I would add the incoming 4 schools already signed and then add USF and Memphis to the east and to get to 14 teams and sit on my hands.

Then when the domino's fall once more and Oregon and Washington jump to the B1G. I would take SDSU, Stanford, Colorado, Washington St., Oregon St, and one of the Arizona schools. That would be my "Big20".

Just saying.

P12 has to decide if they want to expand. If they do it's Kansas + somebody to the P12.

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