(08-19-2022 11:37 AM)bear2be2 Wrote:  

(08-19-2022 09:26 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(08-18-2022 04:36 PM)uhmump95 Wrote:  Doesn't the Pac 12 already have their own network?

The ACC has its own network, I don't see why the Big 12 can't have one as well.

How much are Big 12 teams getting for their third tier rights currently?

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The best way for B12 to add a network would be working out something with ESPN and TEX to get the longhorn. It's already up and running.

I don't think a Big 12 Network is a good idea. The only conference networks that have been successful are the SEC and Big Ten networks. The PAC-12's was a monumental failure and the ACC Network is pretty much trash, too.

The Big 12 is better off, in my opinion, continuing on its current path with its Tier 3 rights. Sell a certain, guaranteed segment of that content to ESPN+ and let the individual universities control and sell the rest of their rights.

I'm not pushing for one either, but if we were to get one, the Longhorn would make more sense than starting from scratch.

(08-16-2022 02:09 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(08-10-2022 03:59 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-10-2022 01:41 PM)Charlie Broadway Wrote:  Former Fox exec fwiw:

Makes no sense to me. ESPN is losing about 27 games worth of P5 content with the Big10 heading to CBS/NBC. Since ESPN current has 50% of the Pac12 and Big12---they would have to hold on to that---or their P5 content problem gets even worse. They really need to get ALL the Big12 or Pac12 to make up for that lost quantity. At the absolute VERY LEAST---ESPN MUST get the Tier1 rights for BOTH the Pac12 and Big12 so they can rebuild some quality inventory to cover the broadcast windows all that lost Big10 stuff was locking up.

ESPN is adding the SEC Tier 1 content that is currently owned by CBS. ESPN is also getting most of the Big 12's previous Tier 1 content when Texas and Oklahoma move to the SEC - those games were previously shared with FOX.

So, while ESPN loses 27 games of solid Big Ten inventory, they add 12-13 games of the SEC Game of the Week inventory and the full share of Texas and Oklahoma inventory. So, the deficit is more like 8-10 games, not 27 games. That's less than one game per week.

My hunch is that ESPN is more worried about the late-night and weeknight inventory than they are earlier Saturday timeslots. This favors the PAC 10 because there's just a lot more late-night content. However, the Big 12 can fill some of this need with BYU games (as ESPN has been doing for the last decade). I also note that Cincinnati, Houston, UCF, and BYU are accustomed to occasional weeknight games - as is the ACC. It could take a relatively small piece of both Big 12 and PAC 12 and have exactly what ESPN needs to fill out its schedules.

(08-10-2022 03:59 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  The best case scenario for ESPN would be to get ALL the Big12 and Pac12. That would solve the quantity issue for ESPN and give them control of the vast majority of all P5 content west of the Mississippi. That helps them in remaining the college football mothership---and gives them the ACC/SEC/Big12 in the eastern time zone, the SEC and Big12 in the central time zone, the Pac12 and Big12 in the Mountain timezone, and the Pac12 in the Pacific time zone. Thats as good an outcome as ESPN can hope for after suffering the loss of the Big10.

ESPN doesn't want to pay for ALL of the Big 12 and PAC 10 content. They don't need it. They will need some decent games to fill in around the SEC and ACC inventory and fill out the late-night and weeknight schedules.

I also think that ESPN is positioning itself for significant rights in the expanded CFP. THAT is likely more important than anything related to either the Big 12 or PAC 10 to give ESPN what it needs to continue to be the dominant player in college football broadcasting rights.

Well lets start with the bold---ESPN is absolutely never ever gunna get all the expanded CFP. Those days are over. The whole point of waiting to expand is so it can be on multiple network--thus gaining a buy in on college football from a larger part of the network media world (its the same strategy as you see the Big10 using--and they stole it from the NFL). ESPN will be doing well to just hold onto even half of it---plus ESPN still completely owns the current CFP deal for another 5 years---so bidding on the next version of the CFP is hardly a pressing issue today or next year.

As for you other comments---you couldnt be more wrong. ESPN just got blocked from the Big10. Thats a HUGE property they have no access to. They absolutely cannot afford to be virtually shut out west of the Mississippi---and rally---to hang onto to as much of their dominant position in the college game as possible---they really need to have all of both the Pac12 and Big12.

(08-20-2022 04:09 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-16-2022 02:09 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(08-10-2022 03:59 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-10-2022 01:41 PM)Charlie Broadway Wrote:  Former Fox exec fwiw:

Makes no sense to me. ESPN is losing about 27 games worth of P5 content with the Big10 heading to CBS/NBC. Since ESPN current has 50% of the Pac12 and Big12---they would have to hold on to that---or their P5 content problem gets even worse. They really need to get ALL the Big12 or Pac12 to make up for that lost quantity. At the absolute VERY LEAST---ESPN MUST get the Tier1 rights for BOTH the Pac12 and Big12 so they can rebuild some quality inventory to cover the broadcast windows all that lost Big10 stuff was locking up.

ESPN is adding the SEC Tier 1 content that is currently owned by CBS. ESPN is also getting most of the Big 12's previous Tier 1 content when Texas and Oklahoma move to the SEC - those games were previously shared with FOX.

So, while ESPN loses 27 games of solid Big Ten inventory, they add 12-13 games of the SEC Game of the Week inventory and the full share of Texas and Oklahoma inventory. So, the deficit is more like 8-10 games, not 27 games. That's less than one game per week.

My hunch is that ESPN is more worried about the late-night and weeknight inventory than they are earlier Saturday timeslots. This favors the PAC 10 because there's just a lot more late-night content. However, the Big 12 can fill some of this need with BYU games (as ESPN has been doing for the last decade). I also note that Cincinnati, Houston, UCF, and BYU are accustomed to occasional weeknight games - as is the ACC. It could take a relatively small piece of both Big 12 and PAC 12 and have exactly what ESPN needs to fill out its schedules.

(08-10-2022 03:59 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  The best case scenario for ESPN would be to get ALL the Big12 and Pac12. That would solve the quantity issue for ESPN and give them control of the vast majority of all P5 content west of the Mississippi. That helps them in remaining the college football mothership---and gives them the ACC/SEC/Big12 in the eastern time zone, the SEC and Big12 in the central time zone, the Pac12 and Big12 in the Mountain timezone, and the Pac12 in the Pacific time zone. Thats as good an outcome as ESPN can hope for after suffering the loss of the Big10.

ESPN doesn't want to pay for ALL of the Big 12 and PAC 10 content. They don't need it. They will need some decent games to fill in around the SEC and ACC inventory and fill out the late-night and weeknight schedules.

I also think that ESPN is positioning itself for significant rights in the expanded CFP. THAT is likely more important than anything related to either the Big 12 or PAC 10 to give ESPN what it needs to continue to be the dominant player in college football broadcasting rights.

Well lets start with the bold---ESPN is absolutely never ever gunna get all the expanded CFP. Those days are over. The whole point of waiting to expand is so it can be on multiple network--thus gaining a buy in on college football from a larger part of the network media world (its the same strategy as you see the Big10 using--and they stole it from the NFL). ESPN will be doing well to just hold onto even half of it---plus ESPN still completely owns the current CFP deal for another 5 years---so bidding on the next version of the CFP is hardly a pressing issue today or next year.

As for you other comments---you couldnt be more wrong. ESPN just got blocked from the Big10. Thats a HUGE property they have no access to. They absolutely cannot afford to be virtually shut out west of the Mississippi---and rally---to hang onto to as much of their dominant position in the college game as possible---they really need to have all of both the Pac12 and Big12.

I look at it this way...

Fox/NBC/CBS
B1G
Notre Dame
MWC

ESPN
SEC
ACC
AAC
SunBelt
MAC

C-USA?

Seems to me ESPN has a larger piece of the pie before adding in the P12 or B12 anywhere.

Directly compared the Fox/NBC/CBS conglomerate has 1 P2, top Independent, and 1 G5. ESPN has 1 P2, 1 P5, 3-4 G5s. ESPN sure has more inventory, dominates the south and a lot of the east, but lacking the marquis NYC, Chicago, and LA markets.

ESPN is lacking west coast late night content. Based on this I think they can go after a devalued P12 to fill their late night timeslots, but do not have to have any of the B12 to achieve this. I think some combination of NBC, CBS, and FOX pickup the B12. 2 of those 3 seem to make the most sense (we'll see how much CBS/NBC want to expand into college football). I would think FOX would be the lead here.

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(08-20-2022 04:09 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Well lets start with the bold---ESPN is absolutely never ever gunna get all the expanded CFP. Those days are over. The whole point of waiting to expand is so it can be on multiple network--thus gaining a buy in on college football from a larger part of the network media world (its the same strategy as you see the Big10 using--and they stole it from the NFL). ESPN will be doing well to just hold onto even half of it---plus ESPN still completely owns the current CFP deal for another 5 years---so bidding on the next version of the CFP is hardly a pressing issue today or next year.

The Big Ten's new media deal (as well as the new deals for the PAC and Big 12) will last through 2030 or longer. So, the media rights to the expanded CFP (after 2026 and potentially sooner) are very much part of ESPN's analysis right now.

I agree with you on the expanded CFP being carried on multiple networks and never meant to infer that ESPN would get ALL of the expanded CFP. The CFP could expand from 3 games to 7 games or more and it is going to make bank. ESPN is going to want as much of that as they can.

(08-20-2022 04:09 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  As for you other comments---you couldnt be more wrong. ESPN just got blocked from the Big10. Thats a HUGE property they have no access to. They absolutely cannot afford to be virtually shut out west of the Mississippi---and rally---to hang onto to as much of their dominant position in the college game as possible---they really need to have all of both the Pac12 and Big12.

ESPN only needs 20-25 games for its late-night content. That is not all of the PAC and B12 inventory. ESPN could land more than enough inventory with a partial deal with the PAC 10, especially if ESPN also has part of the Big 12 inventory (BYU home games). Basically, any PAC or Big 12 games that ESPN puts in the late-night spot are going to compete against FOX - which will have Boise State's MWC games and secondary and tertiary UCLA and USC Big Ten late-night games (that will not involve Ohio State, Michigan, or Penn State).

ESPN may not make a top bid for B12 content, but the B12 gives ESPN flexible game inventory from noon through midnight. So, those noon ET B12 games provide value where the PAC 10 has none.

Fox doesn't have alot of games with 10:30 starts
CBSSN has more games at 10:30

I expect back door talks with both FOX and ESPN are happening. Take whoever they want you to take and pay $$ for. If they will pay enough for the extra 2 Pac schools take them. Killing off the PAC is worth $$ to the B12. Question is, HOW MUCH??