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I don't know why anyone would want to live in Portland or Seattle anymore. The citizens in both cities trashed the core business areas under the guise of support for BLM.

The Portland Protests in Photos

(07-18-2022 06:06 PM)cpawstoney Wrote:  I don't know why anyone would want to live in Portland or Seattle anymore. The citizens in both cities trashed the core business areas under the guise of support for BLM.

The Portland Protests in Photos

Wow! You've totally changed my mind. I'm moving out of this hellhole immediately. Thank you.

(07-18-2022 03:14 PM)geef Wrote:  

(07-18-2022 03:02 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(07-18-2022 01:59 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  

(07-18-2022 12:05 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(07-18-2022 11:48 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  My guess is Dodds consider the city of Cincinnati to be this boring, rust bucket town; not a hip place like Portland, Seattle or LA. The thing is CFB is driven by viewers out of places like Tuscaloosa, AL; State College, PA; Bryan, TX; Norman, OK; not the so-called hip cities listed above.

Yep.

It's funny. He's talking about what was attractive to youth culture 20-40 years ago.

I teach college students, and when they talk about Portland or San Francisco, it's always in a negative light. My students nowadays talk about wanting to move to Nashville, Austin, or Dallas. Followed by Denver, Orlando, or a beach town in Florida. West Coast never makes the list.

The rents in Portland and San Francisco are crazy. Nashville, Austin and Dallas are all young and hip now but are rapidly becoming outpaced too. Asheville, NC will become another hot young place until its too expensive there. And so it goes.

It's not really about rents. It's about how cool it is.

Denver is still cool because of the outdoor activities and the craft beer scene. But that's about the only place that is still cool from 30 years ago.

What would attract the youth to Portland? In 1990, it was eco-hippies who smoked pot. But pot is legal almost everywhere now, and the frontlines of the environmental movement have moved away from save-the-trees (almost exclusively a Pacific Northwest youth movement) to stuffy white-collar climate change conferences (which is nationwide, and is largely people over 35).

What would attract the youth to San Francisco? In 1990, Silicon Valley was exploding and there were great TV shows & movies with a positive image of the city (Full House, Mrs Doubtfire, Star Trek). It offered New York-style urban living without New York problems. Today, the only thing you hear on TV about San Francisco is homelessness, crime, evil tech firms, and tech firms moving jobs to Austin.

I agree that Ashville is a boomtown now. So is Boise.

Interesting perspective. I moved to Denver 28 years ago, then to Portland 11 years ago. The main reason I moved to Colorado was for access to the outdoors, but that became increasingly difficult because of the number of people moving there and poor planning. We moved to Portland for the same reason, and it's been delightful. In just over an hour, I can be on a lift at one of three ski areas, at the beach, in incredible wine country, or on a river for world class rafting. The city has incredible food and beer, but it's ridiculously expensive for young people, thus the attractiveness of other western places like Boise, Salt Lake, etc. I love me some Timbers soccer, but sure to miss pro baseball and hockey.

I travel to San Francisco every other month. It's still an incredible city and region, but the tech bots have caused it to lose some of it's soul. Same with Seattle.

I'm just trying to guess why the coolness factor changed

"why something is cool" is frequently very different from "why something is good."

I lived in San Diego for awhile. It's still cool to a lot of people (especially Europeans), but it's a terrible place to live (even if cost of living was average).

Although San Francisco has gone downhill in both categories. When I visited in the late 90s, I came away thinking it was the best city in the country. When I visited again 7 years ago, I came away thinking that while there's still a lot to like, overall it was one of the worst cities in the country. The homelessness was off-the-charts, and the litter problem has gotten really bad, but those aren't the worst parts. The worst part was the pure snark of the average residents. They've traded peaceful hippies for hipster a-holes who think the epitome of a good time is an ironic joke at someone else's expense. SF's charm wasn't destroyed by suits, it was destroyed by hipsters.

(07-18-2022 07:47 PM)geef Wrote:  

(07-18-2022 06:06 PM)cpawstoney Wrote:  I don't know why anyone would want to live in Portland or Seattle anymore. The citizens in both cities trashed the core business areas under the guise of support for BLM.

The Portland Protests in Photos

Wow! You've totally changed my mind. I'm moving out of this hellhole immediately. Thank you.

Used to love going to Seattle ever 5 years two days early to get AK cruise. Now just go a day before and stay at SeaTac. Homeless camp’s drugs lawlessness not fun.

(07-19-2022 06:36 AM)doss2 Wrote:  

(07-18-2022 07:47 PM)geef Wrote:  

(07-18-2022 06:06 PM)cpawstoney Wrote:  I don't know why anyone would want to live in Portland or Seattle anymore. The citizens in both cities trashed the core business areas under the guise of support for BLM.

The Portland Protests in Photos

Wow! You've totally changed my mind. I'm moving out of this hellhole immediately. Thank you.

Used to love going to Seattle ever 5 years two days early to get AK cruise. Now just go a day before and stay at SeaTac. Homeless camp’s drugs lawlessness not fun.

I'm not going to disagree. I'm as progressive as they come, but we have far too many walking dead in our urban core and need to do something about it.

Much of hatred toward urban living stems from people who live in rural areas that have much more affordable housing options. The median rent in NYC is 4,000/mo now, in San Fran and LA it's 3,400/mo, and even Midwestern towns like Cincinnati and Nashville are becoming priced out. It's the same thing every few years where things get too expensive, you start hearing about crime and homelessness and how people are relocating to smaller, cheaper cities, and so on and so forth. My family left New York in the 80s and have only gotten further and further from the city (downtown Cincinnati) since. Somehow, both NYC and Lebanon,OH sound awful to me. I think Denver is an awesome blend of urbanism/ruralism that a lot of people are discovering, but it's pricey there too. Everywhere is more expensive than Ohio, I've noticed.

Ironically, when I lived down on the banks in Cincinnati this homeless encampment (https://www.fox19.com/story/38771299/dow...s-to-city/) sprung up for a few months right outside my apartment. It was fine, they got asked to move. Felt for them. Got cold as hell that winter.

I made this point over on the other board, but feel it's worth reiterating- many of our new conference mates will be in towns that are even more rural and isolated. Compared to places like Kansas and Oklahoma, Cincinnati might as well be the big city. And Clifton, uniquely, has serious problems with homelessness and violent crime. Point being, when we join the new conference there are going to be people who hear about the city of Cincinnati and immeadietly think we're a disgusting city rampant with crime and a large homeless population, our murder rates are higher than Chicago, we're a commuter school in the ghetto, etc.

(07-19-2022 10:43 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  I made this point over on the other board, but feel it's worth reiterating- many of our new conference mates will be in towns that are even more rural and isolated. Compared to places like Kansas and Oklahoma, Cincinnati might as well be the big city. And Clifton, uniquely, has serious problems with homelessness and violent crime. Point being, when we join the new conference there are going to be people who hear about the city of Cincinnati and immeadietly think we're a disgusting city rampant with crime and a large homeless population, our murder rates are higher than Chicago, we're a commuter school in the ghetto, etc.

No doubt- they believe that already. 85% of Kansas and Iowa looks live the drive along I-71 from Mason to Columbus (before you get to the merge onto I-70). There are more people living in Anderson Township than live in Charleston, WV (the state's largest city).

I read somewhere that Dennis graduated from Missouri. Ever since Missouri left for the SEC, he has been overly critical of the B12. This is comical since his new conf mate TX was one of the main reasons for a majority of the B12 issues and why Missouri left the B12.

Frankly, the sports world would be so much better without Dennis Dodd, Stewart Mandell, Dan Wetzel, Brett McMurphy, Joel Klatt, among others.

(07-19-2022 10:59 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(07-19-2022 10:43 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  I made this point over on the other board, but feel it's worth reiterating- many of our new conference mates will be in towns that are even more rural and isolated. Compared to places like Kansas and Oklahoma, Cincinnati might as well be the big city. And Clifton, uniquely, has serious problems with homelessness and violent crime. Point being, when we join the new conference there are going to be people who hear about the city of Cincinnati and immeadietly think we're a disgusting city rampant with crime and a large homeless population, our murder rates are higher than Chicago, we're a commuter school in the ghetto, etc.

No doubt- they believe that already. 85% of Kansas and Iowa looks live the drive along I-71 from Mason to Columbus (before you get to the merge onto I-70). There are more people living in Anderson Township than live in Charleston, WV (the state's largest city).

I'll do you one better, there are more people in the Cin-Day metro than there are people in any of Kansas, Oklahoma, Iowa, Utah, and West Virginia.

(07-19-2022 09:44 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  Much of hatred toward urban living stems from people who live in rural areas that have much more affordable housing options. The median rent in NYC is 4,000/mo now, in San Fran and LA it's 3,400/mo, and even Midwestern towns like Cincinnati and Nashville are becoming priced out. It's the same thing every few years where things get too expensive, you start hearing about crime and homelessness and how people are relocating to smaller, cheaper cities, and so on and so forth. My family left New York in the 80s and have only gotten further and further from the city (downtown Cincinnati) since. Somehow, both NYC and Lebanon,OH sound awful to me. I think Denver is an awesome blend of urbanism/ruralism that a lot of people are discovering, but it's pricey there too. Everywhere is more expensive than Ohio, I've noticed.

Ironically, when I lived down on the banks in Cincinnati this homeless encampment (https://www.fox19.com/story/38771299/dow...s-to-city/) sprung up for a few months right outside my apartment. It was fine, they got asked to move. Felt for them. Got cold as hell that winter.

Much more hated by urban people aimed at small town people.

(07-19-2022 10:43 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  I made this point over on the other board, but feel it's worth reiterating- many of our new conference mates will be in towns that are even more rural and isolated. Compared to places like Kansas and Oklahoma, Cincinnati might as well be the big city. And Clifton, uniquely, has serious problems with homelessness and violent crime. Point being, when we join the new conference there are going to be people who hear about the city of Cincinnati and immeadietly think we're a disgusting city rampant with crime and a large homeless population, our murder rates are higher than Chicago, we're a commuter school in the ghetto, etc.

Well it doesn't matter what they think. However you are likely wrong. Big 12 grads move to KC, St. Louis, Dallas, Houston, Austin wherever. Hell a bunch of those grads are from those metro areas.

(07-18-2022 06:06 PM)cpawstoney Wrote:  I don't know why anyone would want to live in Portland or Seattle anymore. The citizens in both cities trashed the core business areas under the guise of support for BLM.

The Portland Protests in Photos

If none of the pictures include the nude chick, wearing nothing but a mask, then the entire gallery is worthless

(07-19-2022 11:15 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(07-19-2022 10:59 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(07-19-2022 10:43 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  I made this point over on the other board, but feel it's worth reiterating- many of our new conference mates will be in towns that are even more rural and isolated. Compared to places like Kansas and Oklahoma, Cincinnati might as well be the big city. And Clifton, uniquely, has serious problems with homelessness and violent crime. Point being, when we join the new conference there are going to be people who hear about the city of Cincinnati and immeadietly think we're a disgusting city rampant with crime and a large homeless population, our murder rates are higher than Chicago, we're a commuter school in the ghetto, etc.

No doubt- they believe that already. 85% of Kansas and Iowa looks live the drive along I-71 from Mason to Columbus (before you get to the merge onto I-70). There are more people living in Anderson Township than live in Charleston, WV (the state's largest city).

I'll do you one better, there are more people in the Cin-Day metro than there are people in any of Kansas, Oklahoma, Iowa, Utah, and West Virginia.

Utah and WVU have some real beauty to them but my lord Oklahoma, Kansas and Iowa are brutal drives.

Dodd is a dud!

(07-19-2022 10:43 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  I made this point over on the other board, but feel it's worth reiterating- many of our new conference mates will be in towns that are even more rural and isolated. Compared to places like Kansas and Oklahoma, Cincinnati might as well be the big city. And Clifton, uniquely, has serious problems with homelessness and violent crime. Point being, when we join the new conference there are going to be people who hear about the city of Cincinnati and immeadietly think we're a disgusting city rampant with crime and a large homeless population, our murder rates are higher than Chicago, we're a commuter school in the ghetto, etc.

Actually...

Cincinnati nationally has more of the reputation of a southern, Kentucky a$$ cow town.

Houston will probably wear the collar of dirty, crime ridden big city.