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I Was Reading Some Things About The SEC's Upcoming Media Days and ...
...I ran across an agenda change. It seems a vote to approve a scheduling proposal vote on a 16 school SEC is being tabled for now pending the resolution of some things at present. Now before anyone jumps the shark, Texas and Oklahoma are in and this does not involve them. The conference just doesn't see the need to approve a proposal which may need to be reworked. Expansion? Hmm? We'll see.
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(07-17-2022 04:53 PM)JRsec Wrote:  ...I ran across an agenda change. It seems a vote to approve a scheduling proposal vote on a 16 school SEC is being tabled for now pending the resolution of some things at present. Now before anyone jumps the shark, Texas and Oklahoma are in and this does not involve them. The conference just doesn't see the need to approve a proposal which may need to be reworked. Expansion? Hmm? We'll see.

Another breadcrumb.

ACC schools to SEC? ND "loose scheduling agreement"?

I can't decide if I want this wrapped up soon, or if now I am mostly following college sports for the realignment implications. After two decades, likely the latter
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It was roughly a year ago that news of Oklahoma and Texas to the SEC broke. I don't know that anyone in SEC leadership leaked that, but it's interesting that it came out during Media Days.

It's certainly a great time of year to share big stories. I guess we'll see how it plays out.
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(07-17-2022 05:17 PM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  
(07-17-2022 04:53 PM)JRsec Wrote:  ...I ran across an agenda change. It seems a vote to approve a scheduling proposal vote on a 16 school SEC is being tabled for now pending the resolution of some things at present. Now before anyone jumps the shark, Texas and Oklahoma are in and this does not involve them. The conference just doesn't see the need to approve a proposal which may need to be reworked. Expansion? Hmm? We'll see.

Another breadcrumb.

ACC schools to SEC? ND "loose scheduling agreement"?

I can't decide if I want this wrapped up soon, or if now I am mostly following college sports for the realignment implications. After two decades, likely the latter

I understand the feeling. My question is do the networks want this wrapped up now? I sincerely think yes! FOX needs to close out the B1G media deal and needs resolution on the ND issue before dealing with the Big 12. ESPN wants resolution on dealing with the ACC complainants' before negotiating with the PAC remnants and offering anything to the Big 12.

Let's say the Big Ten and SEC simply agree to 20 at this time and the Big 10 closes out a division in the PAC and the SEC agrees to leave Kansas alone.

B1G gets ND, Stanford, Washington and California

SEC gets UNC, UVa, Clemson and FSU.

FOX gets the B12 plus Arizona, Arizona State, Oregon, Oregon State, Colorado and Utah and Washington State

ACC: Picks up UCF, Cincinnati, WVU from the B12 plus USF, UConn and Temple.

The SEC stands at 20. The B1G stands at 20. The B12 stands at 16 (12+7-3=16).
The ACC stands at 16. (15-5+6)

Big 12:

Oregon, Oregon State, Utah, Washington State

Arizona, Arizona State, Brigham Young, Colorado

Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State

Baylor, Houston, Texas Christian, Texas Tech

This goes to FOX and cross conference games give the B1G an entrance to Texas and permit PAC opponents in the Big Ten OOC foes close to home and helps both keep some rivals.

ACC:

Boston College, Connecticut, Syracuse, Temple

Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Virginia Tech, West Virginia

Duke, Louisville, N.C. State, Wake Forest

Central Florida, Georgia Tech, Miami, South Florida

This stays with ESPN and rivalries shared with the SEC.


B1G:

California, California Los Angeles, Southern Cal, Stanford, Washington

Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin

Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Northwestern, Ohio State

Maryland, Notre Dame, Penn State, Purdue, Rutgers


SEC:

Clemson, Kentucky, North Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia

Auburn, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Vanderbilt

Alabama, Florida State, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State

Arkansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M


Something like this could work if the ACC and B12 get a bump.
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RE: I Was Reading Some Things About The SEC's Upcoming Media Days and ...
(07-17-2022 05:59 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-17-2022 05:17 PM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  
(07-17-2022 04:53 PM)JRsec Wrote:  ...I ran across an agenda change. It seems a vote to approve a scheduling proposal vote on a 16 school SEC is being tabled for now pending the resolution of some things at present. Now before anyone jumps the shark, Texas and Oklahoma are in and this does not involve them. The conference just doesn't see the need to approve a proposal which may need to be reworked. Expansion? Hmm? We'll see.

Another breadcrumb.

ACC schools to SEC? ND "loose scheduling agreement"?

I can't decide if I want this wrapped up soon, or if now I am mostly following college sports for the realignment implications. After two decades, likely the latter

I understand the feeling. My question is do the networks want this wrapped up now? I sincerely think yes! FOX needs to close out the B1G media deal and needs resolution on the ND issue before dealing with the Big 12. ESPN wants resolution on dealing with the ACC complainants' before negotiating with the PAC remnants and offering anything to the Big 12.

Let's say the Big Ten and SEC simply agree to 20 at this time and the Big 10 closes out a division in the PAC and the SEC agrees to leave Kansas alone.

B1G gets ND, Stanford, Washington and California

SEC gets UNC, UVa, Clemson and FSU.

FOX gets the B12 plus Arizona, Arizona State, Oregon, Oregon State, Colorado and Utah and Washington State

ACC: Picks up UCF, Cincinnati, WVU from the B12 plus USF, UConn and Temple.

The SEC stands at 20. The B1G stands at 20. The B12 stands at 16 (12+7-3=16).
The ACC stands at 16. (15-5+6)

Big 12:

Oregon, Oregon State, Utah, Washington State

Arizona, Arizona State, Brigham Young, Colorado

Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State

Baylor, Houston, Texas Christian, Texas Tech

This goes to FOX and cross conference games give the B1G an entrance to Texas and permit PAC opponents in the Big Ten OOC foes close to home and helps both keep some rivals.

ACC:

Boston College, Connecticut, Syracuse, Temple

Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Virginia Tech, West Virginia

Duke, Louisville, N.C. State, Wake Forest

Central Florida, Georgia Tech, Miami, South Florida

This stays with ESPN and rivalries shared with the SEC.


B1G:

California, California Los Angeles, Southern Cal, Stanford, Washington

Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin

Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Northwestern, Ohio State

Maryland, Notre Dame, Penn State, Purdue, Rutgers


SEC:

Clemson, Kentucky, North Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia

Auburn, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Vanderbilt

Alabama, Florida State, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State

Arkansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M


Something like this could work if the ACC and B12 get a bump.

This would preclude any real dissolution of the ACC.

Do you think that's a short term solution?

If the ACC isn't dissolved then do we do this again in a few years? My hesitancy would be in expecting the ACC schools that would throw their weight around to get out being limited to those 4.
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RE: I Was Reading Some Things About The SEC's Upcoming Media Days and ...
(07-17-2022 06:30 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(07-17-2022 05:59 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-17-2022 05:17 PM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  
(07-17-2022 04:53 PM)JRsec Wrote:  ...I ran across an agenda change. It seems a vote to approve a scheduling proposal vote on a 16 school SEC is being tabled for now pending the resolution of some things at present. Now before anyone jumps the shark, Texas and Oklahoma are in and this does not involve them. The conference just doesn't see the need to approve a proposal which may need to be reworked. Expansion? Hmm? We'll see.

Another breadcrumb.

ACC schools to SEC? ND "loose scheduling agreement"?

I can't decide if I want this wrapped up soon, or if now I am mostly following college sports for the realignment implications. After two decades, likely the latter

I understand the feeling. My question is do the networks want this wrapped up now? I sincerely think yes! FOX needs to close out the B1G media deal and needs resolution on the ND issue before dealing with the Big 12. ESPN wants resolution on dealing with the ACC complainants' before negotiating with the PAC remnants and offering anything to the Big 12.

Let's say the Big Ten and SEC simply agree to 20 at this time and the Big 10 closes out a division in the PAC and the SEC agrees to leave Kansas alone.

B1G gets ND, Stanford, Washington and California

SEC gets UNC, UVa, Clemson and FSU.

FOX gets the B12 plus Arizona, Arizona State, Oregon, Oregon State, Colorado and Utah and Washington State

ACC: Picks up UCF, Cincinnati, WVU from the B12 plus USF, UConn and Temple.

The SEC stands at 20. The B1G stands at 20. The B12 stands at 16 (12+7-3=16).
The ACC stands at 16. (15-5+6)

Big 12:

Oregon, Oregon State, Utah, Washington State

Arizona, Arizona State, Brigham Young, Colorado

Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State

Baylor, Houston, Texas Christian, Texas Tech

This goes to FOX and cross conference games give the B1G an entrance to Texas and permit PAC opponents in the Big Ten OOC foes close to home and helps both keep some rivals.

ACC:

Boston College, Connecticut, Syracuse, Temple

Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Virginia Tech, West Virginia

Duke, Louisville, N.C. State, Wake Forest

Central Florida, Georgia Tech, Miami, South Florida

This stays with ESPN and rivalries shared with the SEC.


B1G:

California, California Los Angeles, Southern Cal, Stanford, Washington

Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin

Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Northwestern, Ohio State

Maryland, Notre Dame, Penn State, Purdue, Rutgers


SEC:

Clemson, Kentucky, North Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia

Auburn, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Vanderbilt

Alabama, Florida State, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State

Arkansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M


Something like this could work if the ACC and B12 get a bump.

This would preclude any real dissolution of the ACC.

Do you think that's a short term solution?

If the ACC isn't dissolved then do we do this again in a few years? My hesitancy would be in expecting the ACC schools that would throw their weight around to get out being limited to those 4.

ATU if they clear out those 8, sign the B1G contracts then you can adjust again for the B1G or SEC at pro rata and finish up the B12 and ACC after. However, I think you would agree when looking at valuations that Cal is the only reach for the B1G as Oregon and Arizona St are worth more, but it is a take which resolves the little political dustup, and Virginia is the only reach for the SEC, but not much of one and adds an important market. And the whole setup includes 72 which is the economically viable number of G5's added to the Big 12 plus 3 more. Is there value left? Yes, but not that much. Louisville, Miami, Va Tech, Ga Tech, N.C. State could all make arguments and some more than others.

We could easily revisit this later. Right now, the clock is running on the CFP. I think this much now gets us there on time!
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JR—it’s interesting that you chose 3 PAC 10 schools as companions for ND in a 20 team Big 10. Are you saying that the Big 10 doesn’t have any designs to annex any ACC schools?

While I’m not sold that UNC, Duke, and UVA are programs that will make the Big 10 10s of millions of dollars, I think adding say Miami and GT could help build the image, for the sake of ND.

What is your take on the Big 10 and expansion on the ACC front?
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RE: I Was Reading Some Things About The SEC's Upcoming Media Days and ...
(07-17-2022 05:59 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-17-2022 05:17 PM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  
(07-17-2022 04:53 PM)JRsec Wrote:  ...I ran across an agenda change. It seems a vote to approve a scheduling proposal vote on a 16 school SEC is being tabled for now pending the resolution of some things at present. Now before anyone jumps the shark, Texas and Oklahoma are in and this does not involve them. The conference just doesn't see the need to approve a proposal which may need to be reworked. Expansion? Hmm? We'll see.

Another breadcrumb.

ACC schools to SEC? ND "loose scheduling agreement"?

I can't decide if I want this wrapped up soon, or if now I am mostly following college sports for the realignment implications. After two decades, likely the latter

I understand the feeling. My question is do the networks want this wrapped up now? I sincerely think yes! FOX needs to close out the B1G media deal and needs resolution on the ND issue before dealing with the Big 12. ESPN wants resolution on dealing with the ACC complainants' before negotiating with the PAC remnants and offering anything to the Big 12.

Let's say the Big Ten and SEC simply agree to 20 at this time and the Big 10 closes out a division in the PAC and the SEC agrees to leave Kansas alone.

B1G gets ND, Stanford, Washington and California

SEC gets UNC, UVa, Clemson and FSU.

FOX gets the B12 plus Arizona, Arizona State, Oregon, Oregon State, Colorado and Utah and Washington State

ACC: Picks up UCF, Cincinnati, WVU from the B12 plus USF, UConn and Temple.

The SEC stands at 20. The B1G stands at 20. The B12 stands at 16 (12+7-3=16).
The ACC stands at 16. (15-5+6)

Big 12:

Oregon, Oregon State, Utah, Washington State

Arizona, Arizona State, Brigham Young, Colorado

Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State

Baylor, Houston, Texas Christian, Texas Tech

This goes to FOX and cross conference games give the B1G an entrance to Texas and permit PAC opponents in the Big Ten OOC foes close to home and helps both keep some rivals.

ACC:

Boston College, Connecticut, Syracuse, Temple

Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Virginia Tech, West Virginia

Duke, Louisville, N.C. State, Wake Forest

Central Florida, Georgia Tech, Miami, South Florida

This stays with ESPN and rivalries shared with the SEC.


B1G:

California, California Los Angeles, Southern Cal, Stanford, Washington

Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin

Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Northwestern, Ohio State

Maryland, Notre Dame, Penn State, Purdue, Rutgers


SEC:

Clemson, Kentucky, North Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia

Auburn, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Vanderbilt

Alabama, Florida State, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State

Arkansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M


Something like this could work if the ACC and B12 get a bump.
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RE: I Was Reading Some Things About The SEC's Upcoming Media Days and ...
(07-17-2022 06:30 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(07-17-2022 05:59 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-17-2022 05:17 PM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  
(07-17-2022 04:53 PM)JRsec Wrote:  ...I ran across an agenda change. It seems a vote to approve a scheduling proposal vote on a 16 school SEC is being tabled for now pending the resolution of some things at present. Now before anyone jumps the shark, Texas and Oklahoma are in and this does not involve them. The conference just doesn't see the need to approve a proposal which may need to be reworked. Expansion? Hmm? We'll see.

Another breadcrumb.

ACC schools to SEC? ND "loose scheduling agreement"?

I can't decide if I want this wrapped up soon, or if now I am mostly following college sports for the realignment implications. After two decades, likely the latter

I understand the feeling. My question is do the networks want this wrapped up now? I sincerely think yes! FOX needs to close out the B1G media deal and needs resolution on the ND issue before dealing with the Big 12. ESPN wants resolution on dealing with the ACC complainants' before negotiating with the PAC remnants and offering anything to the Big 12.

Let's say the Big Ten and SEC simply agree to 20 at this time and the Big 10 closes out a division in the PAC and the SEC agrees to leave Kansas alone.

B1G gets ND, Stanford, Washington and California

SEC gets UNC, UVa, Clemson and FSU.

FOX gets the B12 plus Arizona, Arizona State, Oregon, Oregon State, Colorado and Utah and Washington State

ACC: Picks up UCF, Cincinnati, WVU from the B12 plus USF, UConn and Temple.

The SEC stands at 20. The B1G stands at 20. The B12 stands at 16 (12+7-3=16).
The ACC stands at 16. (15-5+6)

Big 12:

Oregon, Oregon State, Utah, Washington State

Arizona, Arizona State, Brigham Young, Colorado

Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State

Baylor, Houston, Texas Christian, Texas Tech

This goes to FOX and cross conference games give the B1G an entrance to Texas and permit PAC opponents in the Big Ten OOC foes close to home and helps both keep some rivals.

ACC:

Boston College, Connecticut, Syracuse, Temple

Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Virginia Tech, West Virginia

Duke, Louisville, N.C. State, Wake Forest

Central Florida, Georgia Tech, Miami, South Florida

This stays with ESPN and rivalries shared with the SEC.


B1G:

California, California Los Angeles, Southern Cal, Stanford, Washington

Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin

Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Northwestern, Ohio State

Maryland, Notre Dame, Penn State, Purdue, Rutgers


SEC:

Clemson, Kentucky, North Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia

Auburn, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Vanderbilt

Alabama, Florida State, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State

Arkansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M


Something like this could work if the ACC and B12 get a bump.

This would preclude any real dissolution of the ACC.

Do you think that's a short term solution?

If the ACC isn't dissolved then do we do this again in a few years? My hesitancy would be in expecting the ACC schools that would throw their weight around to get out being limited to those 4.

I feel like if espn can move top schools to sec without dissolution, the need for dissolution is not high.

Both networks then have a feeder.


I don’t think this is as good for the P5 leftovers as a single conference, but the networks are the banks. And only ESPN is in control of whether a P3 occurs right now.

Either it’s theirs, or they’d have to agree to let schools leave ACC for FOX, which makes no sense to give FOX a possible size and vote advantage. Which is just another reason why there will be a settlement- espn has no desire to risk schools breaking out and having a choice.

I’d love to see ESPN make a Big 18, then use that to have an upgraded spot to entice ACC leftovers to settle in moving the top ACC to SEC. That does likely cost UW when the BIG expands to 20 in response to SEC, but maybe not if ND says yes or Big 10 gets UVa (with SEC getting VT). In the latter case, that could mean 5+ ACC schools to P2 (Duke or Miami go SEC?)
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RE: I Was Reading Some Things About The SEC's Upcoming Media Days and ...
(07-17-2022 05:59 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-17-2022 05:17 PM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  
(07-17-2022 04:53 PM)JRsec Wrote:  ...I ran across an agenda change. It seems a vote to approve a scheduling proposal vote on a 16 school SEC is being tabled for now pending the resolution of some things at present. Now before anyone jumps the shark, Texas and Oklahoma are in and this does not involve them. The conference just doesn't see the need to approve a proposal which may need to be reworked. Expansion? Hmm? We'll see.

Another breadcrumb.

ACC schools to SEC? ND "loose scheduling agreement"?

I can't decide if I want this wrapped up soon, or if now I am mostly following college sports for the realignment implications. After two decades, likely the latter

I understand the feeling. My question is do the networks want this wrapped up now? I sincerely think yes! FOX needs to close out the B1G media deal and needs resolution on the ND issue before dealing with the Big 12. ESPN wants resolution on dealing with the ACC complainants' before negotiating with the PAC remnants and offering anything to the Big 12.

Let's say the Big Ten and SEC simply agree to 20 at this time and the Big 10 closes out a division in the PAC and the SEC agrees to leave Kansas alone.

B1G gets ND, Stanford, Washington and California

SEC gets UNC, UVa, Clemson and FSU.

FOX gets the B12 plus Arizona, Arizona State, Oregon, Oregon State, Colorado and Utah and Washington State

ACC: Picks up UCF, Cincinnati, WVU from the B12 plus USF, UConn and Temple.

The SEC stands at 20. The B1G stands at 20. The B12 stands at 16 (12+7-3=16).
The ACC stands at 16. (15-5+6)

Big 12:

Oregon, Oregon State, Utah, Washington State

Arizona, Arizona State, Brigham Young, Colorado

Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State

Baylor, Houston, Texas Christian, Texas Tech

This goes to FOX and cross conference games give the B1G an entrance to Texas and permit PAC opponents in the Big Ten OOC foes close to home and helps both keep some rivals.

ACC:

Boston College, Connecticut, Syracuse, Temple

Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Virginia Tech, West Virginia

Duke, Louisville, N.C. State, Wake Forest

Central Florida, Georgia Tech, Miami, South Florida

This stays with ESPN and rivalries shared with the SEC.


B1G:

California, California Los Angeles, Southern Cal, Stanford, Washington

Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin

Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Northwestern, Ohio State

Maryland, Notre Dame, Penn State, Purdue, Rutgers


SEC:

Clemson, Kentucky, North Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia

Auburn, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Vanderbilt

Alabama, Florida State, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State

Arkansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M


Something like this could work if the ACC and B12 get a bump.

I'll take it! Of course, to many fans here and to certain administrators and presidents, the "perfect" is the enemy of the "good." However, TV networks don't want to be dragging this on for much longer and want a clean set-up for the future. Yes, on our side, traveling to west coast sites would be a pain. OTOH, it's a relatively small price to pay for being part of an athletic and academic powerhouse that is national in nature.

And if we can get OOC games against "New" Big 12 and "New" ACC opponents, then it's definitely doable!
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(07-17-2022 04:53 PM)JRsec Wrote:  ...I ran across an agenda change. It seems a vote to approve a scheduling proposal vote on a 16 school SEC is being tabled for now pending the resolution of some things at present. Now before anyone jumps the shark, Texas and Oklahoma are in and this does not involve them. The conference just doesn't see the need to approve a proposal which may need to be reworked. Expansion? Hmm? We'll see.

It could be that the SEC has decided to keep up with the ACC and do away with divisions.

Which three schools do you think Auburn would choose to play every year?
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RE: I Was Reading Some Things About The SEC's Upcoming Media Days and ...
(07-17-2022 05:59 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-17-2022 05:17 PM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  
(07-17-2022 04:53 PM)JRsec Wrote:  ...I ran across an agenda change. It seems a vote to approve a scheduling proposal vote on a 16 school SEC is being tabled for now pending the resolution of some things at present. Now before anyone jumps the shark, Texas and Oklahoma are in and this does not involve them. The conference just doesn't see the need to approve a proposal which may need to be reworked. Expansion? Hmm? We'll see.

Another breadcrumb.

ACC schools to SEC? ND "loose scheduling agreement"?

I can't decide if I want this wrapped up soon, or if now I am mostly following college sports for the realignment implications. After two decades, likely the latter

I understand the feeling. My question is do the networks want this wrapped up now? I sincerely think yes! FOX needs to close out the B1G media deal and needs resolution on the ND issue before dealing with the Big 12. ESPN wants resolution on dealing with the ACC complainants' before negotiating with the PAC remnants and offering anything to the Big 12.

Let's say the Big Ten and SEC simply agree to 20 at this time and the Big 10 closes out a division in the PAC and the SEC agrees to leave Kansas alone.

B1G gets ND, Stanford, Washington and California

SEC gets UNC, UVa, Clemson and FSU.

FOX gets the B12 plus Arizona, Arizona State, Oregon, Oregon State, Colorado and Utah and Washington State

ACC: Picks up UCF, Cincinnati, WVU from the B12 plus USF, UConn and Temple.

The SEC stands at 20. The B1G stands at 20. The B12 stands at 16 (12+7-3=16).
The ACC stands at 16. (15-5+6)

Big 12:

Oregon, Oregon State, Utah, Washington State

Arizona, Arizona State, Brigham Young, Colorado

Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State

Baylor, Houston, Texas Christian, Texas Tech

This goes to FOX and cross conference games give the B1G an entrance to Texas and permit PAC opponents in the Big Ten OOC foes close to home and helps both keep some rivals.

ACC:

Boston College, Connecticut, Syracuse, Temple

Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Virginia Tech, West Virginia

Duke, Louisville, N.C. State, Wake Forest

Central Florida, Georgia Tech, Miami, South Florida

This stays with ESPN and rivalries shared with the SEC.


B1G:

California, California Los Angeles, Southern Cal, Stanford, Washington

Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin

Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Northwestern, Ohio State

Maryland, Notre Dame, Penn State, Purdue, Rutgers


SEC:

Clemson, Kentucky, North Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia

Auburn, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Vanderbilt

Alabama, Florida State, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State

Arkansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M


Something like this could work if the ACC and B12 get a bump.

Big10 only needs to take 1 pac school to go with ND - likely stanford. This leaves the PAC intact.

I think it's more likely that NC and VA stay in ACC for now. especially if the ACC gets a bump.

And then the SEC and ACC raid the B12. ACC, the schools you mentioned (though maybe Memphis instead of Temple); SEC takes Kansas and Ok state, to go along with Florida state and Clemson.

this is the "espn doesn't need to share" plan : )

And once those schools are gone, the B12 is down to 7 schools. And the PAC could raid them too, maybe take Texas tech and Houston from B12, and SDSU from MWC to get back to 12.

remains of the B12 - Baylor, TCU, BYU, Kansas state, Iowa state. They "can" backfill, but all G5 schools at this point. Likely MWC and AAC.
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(07-17-2022 05:59 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-17-2022 05:17 PM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  
(07-17-2022 04:53 PM)JRsec Wrote:  ...I ran across an agenda change. It seems a vote to approve a scheduling proposal vote on a 16 school SEC is being tabled for now pending the resolution of some things at present. Now before anyone jumps the shark, Texas and Oklahoma are in and this does not involve them. The conference just doesn't see the need to approve a proposal which may need to be reworked. Expansion? Hmm? We'll see.

Another breadcrumb.

ACC schools to SEC? ND "loose scheduling agreement"?

I can't decide if I want this wrapped up soon, or if now I am mostly following college sports for the realignment implications. After two decades, likely the latter

I understand the feeling. My question is do the networks want this wrapped up now? I sincerely think yes! FOX needs to close out the B1G media deal and needs resolution on the ND issue before dealing with the Big 12. ESPN wants resolution on dealing with the ACC complainants' before negotiating with the PAC remnants and offering anything to the Big 12.

Let's say the Big Ten and SEC simply agree to 20 at this time and the Big 10 closes out a division in the PAC and the SEC agrees to leave Kansas alone.

B1G gets ND, Stanford, Washington and California

SEC gets UNC, UVa, Clemson and FSU.

FOX gets the B12 plus Arizona, Arizona State, Oregon, Oregon State, Colorado and Utah and Washington State

ACC: Picks up UCF, Cincinnati, WVU from the B12 plus USF, UConn and Temple.

The SEC stands at 20. The B1G stands at 20. The B12 stands at 16 (12+7-3=16).
The ACC stands at 16. (15-5+6)

Big 12:

Oregon, Oregon State, Utah, Washington State

Arizona, Arizona State, Brigham Young, Colorado

Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State

Baylor, Houston, Texas Christian, Texas Tech

This goes to FOX and cross conference games give the B1G an entrance to Texas and permit PAC opponents in the Big Ten OOC foes close to home and helps both keep some rivals.

ACC:

Boston College, Connecticut, Syracuse, Temple

Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Virginia Tech, West Virginia

Duke, Louisville, N.C. State, Wake Forest

Central Florida, Georgia Tech, Miami, South Florida

This stays with ESPN and rivalries shared with the SEC.


B1G:

California, California Los Angeles, Southern Cal, Stanford, Washington

Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin

Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Northwestern, Ohio State

Maryland, Notre Dame, Penn State, Purdue, Rutgers


SEC:

Clemson, Kentucky, North Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia

Auburn, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Vanderbilt

Alabama, Florida State, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State

Arkansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M


Something like this could work if the ACC and B12 get a bump.

I know you're talking B12 moving to the ACC so it's an ESPN property but that's a lot of dead weight to get a pay bump while losing top value ACC teams.

ACC:

Boston College, Connecticut, Syracuse, Temple

Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Virginia Tech, West Virginia

Duke, Louisville, N.C. State, Wake Forest

Central Florida, Georgia Tech, Miami, South Florida


In your scenario wouldn't the Big 12 & Fox just add VT, Louisville, NC State, GT & Miami. And cut the western expansion down, no one wants Oregon St or Washington St. Arizona gets cut (FB is driving the boat) and either Utah or Colorado.

So the Big 12 gets Utah, Arizona St, Oregon, Miami, NC State, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech & Louisville.


Big 12:

Oregon, Utah, Arizona State, Brigham Young, Texas Tech

Iowa State, Kansas, Cincinnati, West Virginia, Louisville

Baylor, Houston, Texas Christian, Kansas State, Oklahoma State

UCF, Georgia Tech, Miami, NC State, Virginia Tech


That's a much better conference.
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RE: I Was Reading Some Things About The SEC's Upcoming Media Days and ...
(07-17-2022 05:59 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-17-2022 05:17 PM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  
(07-17-2022 04:53 PM)JRsec Wrote:  ...I ran across an agenda change. It seems a vote to approve a scheduling proposal vote on a 16 school SEC is being tabled for now pending the resolution of some things at present. Now before anyone jumps the shark, Texas and Oklahoma are in and this does not involve them. The conference just doesn't see the need to approve a proposal which may need to be reworked. Expansion? Hmm? We'll see.

Another breadcrumb.

ACC schools to SEC? ND "loose scheduling agreement"?

I can't decide if I want this wrapped up soon, or if now I am mostly following college sports for the realignment implications. After two decades, likely the latter

I understand the feeling. My question is do the networks want this wrapped up now? I sincerely think yes! FOX needs to close out the B1G media deal and needs resolution on the ND issue before dealing with the Big 12. ESPN wants resolution on dealing with the ACC complainants' before negotiating with the PAC remnants and offering anything to the Big 12.

Let's say the Big Ten and SEC simply agree to 20 at this time and the Big 10 closes out a division in the PAC and the SEC agrees to leave Kansas alone.

B1G gets ND, Stanford, Washington and California

SEC gets UNC, UVa, Clemson and FSU.

FOX gets the B12 plus Arizona, Arizona State, Oregon, Oregon State, Colorado and Utah and Washington State

ACC: Picks up UCF, Cincinnati, WVU from the B12 plus USF, UConn and Temple.

The SEC stands at 20. The B1G stands at 20. The B12 stands at 16 (12+7-3=16).
The ACC stands at 16. (15-5+6)

Big 12:

Oregon, Oregon State, Utah, Washington State

Arizona, Arizona State, Brigham Young, Colorado

Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State

Baylor, Houston, Texas Christian, Texas Tech

This goes to FOX and cross conference games give the B1G an entrance to Texas and permit PAC opponents in the Big Ten OOC foes close to home and helps both keep some rivals.

ACC:

Boston College, Connecticut, Syracuse, Temple

Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Virginia Tech, West Virginia

Duke, Louisville, N.C. State, Wake Forest

Central Florida, Georgia Tech, Miami, South Florida

This stays with ESPN and rivalries shared with the SEC.


B1G:

California, California Los Angeles, Southern Cal, Stanford, Washington

Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin

Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Northwestern, Ohio State

Maryland, Notre Dame, Penn State, Purdue, Rutgers


SEC:

Clemson, Kentucky, North Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia

Auburn, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Vanderbilt

Alabama, Florida State, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State

Arkansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M


Something like this could work if the ACC and B12 get a bump.

20 teams in each of the B1G and SEC makes sense for Fox and ESPN.

But the only way to break the ACC GOR is to somehow grow payouts. Your proposed new-ACC has to many recent G5s with low brand equity. ESPN’s only path is to build a national P3 out of the ACC. Something like…

Boston College, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Virginia Tech, Miami
NC State, Duke, Wake Forest, Louisville, Georgia Tech
Oregon, Oregon State, WSU, Arizona, Arizona State
Utah, Colorado, Kansas, Oklahoma State, TCU
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RE: I Was Reading Some Things About The SEC's Upcoming Media Days and ...
(07-18-2022 09:56 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  
(07-17-2022 05:59 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-17-2022 05:17 PM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  
(07-17-2022 04:53 PM)JRsec Wrote:  ...I ran across an agenda change. It seems a vote to approve a scheduling proposal vote on a 16 school SEC is being tabled for now pending the resolution of some things at present. Now before anyone jumps the shark, Texas and Oklahoma are in and this does not involve them. The conference just doesn't see the need to approve a proposal which may need to be reworked. Expansion? Hmm? We'll see.

Another breadcrumb.

ACC schools to SEC? ND "loose scheduling agreement"?

I can't decide if I want this wrapped up soon, or if now I am mostly following college sports for the realignment implications. After two decades, likely the latter

I understand the feeling. My question is do the networks want this wrapped up now? I sincerely think yes! FOX needs to close out the B1G media deal and needs resolution on the ND issue before dealing with the Big 12. ESPN wants resolution on dealing with the ACC complainants' before negotiating with the PAC remnants and offering anything to the Big 12.

Let's say the Big Ten and SEC simply agree to 20 at this time and the Big 10 closes out a division in the PAC and the SEC agrees to leave Kansas alone.

B1G gets ND, Stanford, Washington and California

SEC gets UNC, UVa, Clemson and FSU.

FOX gets the B12 plus Arizona, Arizona State, Oregon, Oregon State, Colorado and Utah and Washington State

ACC: Picks up UCF, Cincinnati, WVU from the B12 plus USF, UConn and Temple.

The SEC stands at 20. The B1G stands at 20. The B12 stands at 16 (12+7-3=16).
The ACC stands at 16. (15-5+6)

Big 12:

Oregon, Oregon State, Utah, Washington State

Arizona, Arizona State, Brigham Young, Colorado

Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State

Baylor, Houston, Texas Christian, Texas Tech

This goes to FOX and cross conference games give the B1G an entrance to Texas and permit PAC opponents in the Big Ten OOC foes close to home and helps both keep some rivals.

ACC:

Boston College, Connecticut, Syracuse, Temple

Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Virginia Tech, West Virginia

Duke, Louisville, N.C. State, Wake Forest

Central Florida, Georgia Tech, Miami, South Florida

This stays with ESPN and rivalries shared with the SEC.


B1G:

California, California Los Angeles, Southern Cal, Stanford, Washington

Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin

Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Northwestern, Ohio State

Maryland, Notre Dame, Penn State, Purdue, Rutgers


SEC:

Clemson, Kentucky, North Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia

Auburn, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Vanderbilt

Alabama, Florida State, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State

Arkansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M


Something like this could work if the ACC and B12 get a bump.

20 teams in each of the B1G and SEC makes sense for Fox and ESPN.

But the only way to break the ACC GOR is to somehow grow their payouts. Your proposed new-ACC has to many recent G5s with low brand equity. ESPN’s only path is to build a national P3 out of the ACC. Something like…

Boston College, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Virginia Tech, Miami
NC State, Duke, Wake Forest, Louisville, Georgia Tech
Oregon, Oregon State, WSU, Arizona, Arizona State
Utah, Colorado, Kansas, Oklahoma State, TCU

What you suggest was essentially the tack I was taking before all of the merger talk. Now that it seems to be dying out. I still believe what you listed is better, especially if it has its own network.
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RE: I Was Reading Some Things About The SEC's Upcoming Media Days and ...
How about this?

If we believe the rumor that Florida State, Clemson, North Carolina, and Virginia have been in talks with the SEC, then what's the simplest way to get the ACC to agree to let them go? Wouldn't it be to maintain the viability and strength of the ACC going forward?

Once you remove those 4 from the ACC then you have a 20 team SEC.

From that point, you just merge the Big 12 with the ACC.

That would be a 22 team ACC/Big 12 with some pretty decent competition that doesn't involve nearly as much travel as some of these other formulations. You've got a built-in network and you access some pretty strong markets.

The Big Ten could still take Notre Dame and a few PAC 12 schools although there's some thought out there that USC did not want Oregon to be in the Big Ten. So maybe Stanford, California, and Washington make a lot of sense.

Perhaps there's some other ways to finagle with that alignment. Maybe Kansas and Colorado to the SEC? Put the AZ schools in with the Big 12/ACC merged league? Just off the top of my head.
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RE: I Was Reading Some Things About The SEC's Upcoming Media Days and ...
(07-18-2022 10:27 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  How about this?

If we believe the rumor that Florida State, Clemson, North Carolina, and Virginia have been in talks with the SEC, then what's the simplest way to get the ACC to agree to let them go? Wouldn't it be to maintain the viability and strength of the ACC going forward?

Once you remove those 4 from the ACC then you have a 20 team SEC.

From that point, you just merge the Big 12 with the ACC.

That would be a 22 team ACC/Big 12
with some pretty decent competition that doesn't involve nearly as much travel as some of these other formulations. You've got a built-in network and you access some pretty strong markets.

The Big Ten could still take Notre Dame and a few PAC 12 schools although there's some thought out there that USC did not want Oregon to be in the Big Ten. So maybe Stanford, California, and Washington make a lot of sense.

Perhaps there's some other ways to finagle with that alignment. Maybe Kansas and Colorado to the SEC? Put the AZ schools in with the Big 12/ACC merged league? Just off the top of my head.

I am kind of with you on this, but I think there is one additional move that would likely occur if such a thing happened. I just don't see Duke going along with this Big 12 merger, especially since UNC and UVA would have bailed on them. I also do not see any advantage or incentive for Boston College in this scenario. I could see both of those schools voluntarily bailing the merger at that point, which would leave the Big 12/ACC merger at 20 schools. Honestly, I think that would be a win-win for both sides.

Duke and Boston College could easily find a home on the east coast among much of the current Big East for all except football, and they would be enough of a force to reconfigure an east/northeast football conference among the Villanova/Navy/Army level private schools. For that matter, they could both likely cobble together pretty decent schedules as Independents in football. I think a lot of the old guard ACC would still schedule Duke as a NC game, and many New England/Mid-Atlantic schools would do the same for Boston College.

We do have stranger bedfellows these days that we would have imagined a decade ago, but I think being in conference with the Big 12 is a bridge too far for Duke and Boston College. The biggest winner of out that scenario, though, is definitely West Virginia.
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RE: I Was Reading Some Things About The SEC's Upcoming Media Days and ...
Magnolia.
Create a new league and pay them well enough
Boston College, Syracuse, Duke, Wake Forest, Georgia Tech, Vanderbilt, Tulane, SMU, TCU, Kansas, Army, Navy.
This group could even add Northwestern if they ever wanted to escape from the huge land grant schools of the B1G.

Then you might form a third conference out of:
Virginia Tech, UVa, North Carolina State, Carolina, Clemson, Florida State, Miami, Pitt, Washington, Oregon, Louisville, Houston, Baylor, Oklahoma State, Utah, Colorado.

Notre Dame could play out of the Magnolia on a partial deal similar to what they now have with the ACC.
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