(08-19-2022 08:28 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  SBC was not on the losing end when the dust settled. One conference took locations (can't really claim they took market share) and one took proven winners and GA St. That experiment is about to play out again with the AAC/SBC. CUSA took the best available at the time this go round, and will get stronger than they are post exodus.

Opposing views that are explained doesn't meet the definition of trolling, you may find it offensive, but that's on the reader not the poster which appears to have been worked out. Good to see.

AAC took locations and SBC took winners?

UAB and UTSA are better than anybody the SBC added and have spent the money to get much better than they are now.
UAB and UNT are better in basketball than anybody in the entire SBC.

USM sell y’all that history lesson like they could not spend any money and replicate it? A USM fan will tell you all about beating UAB 9 straight and then leave out that UAB has won 8 out of 10.

The programs spending money will go somewhere and the ones not (SBC) are capped.

CUSA took locations for sure which was inferred in my post. The AAC for 2-3rds on the adds seems to have followed that theory.

If you'd like to discuss the AAC/SBC recent strategy further I'd welcome that discussion on the SBC board not here though, stop by.

You all can continue your derailing arguments, but you must include your definitions of how to divide CUSA history first. My thread, my rules.

(08-19-2022 01:22 PM)Blazer B Wrote:  

(08-19-2022 08:28 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  SBC was not on the losing end when the dust settled. One conference took locations (can't really claim they took market share) and one took proven winners and GA St. That experiment is about to play out again with the AAC/SBC. CUSA took the best available at the time this go round, and will get stronger than they are post exodus.

Opposing views that are explained doesn't meet the definition of trolling, you may find it offensive, but that's on the reader not the poster which appears to have been worked out. Good to see.

AAC took locations and SBC took winners?

UAB and UTSA are better than anybody the SBC added and have spent the money to get much better than they are now.
UAB and UNT are better in basketball than anybody in the entire SBC.

USM sell y’all that history lesson like they could not spend any money and replicate it? A USM fan will tell you all about beating UAB 9 straight and then leave out that UAB has won 8 out of 10.

The programs spending money will go somewhere and the ones not (SBC) are capped.

clt says your best bet is to ignore the lowly sunbelt trolls

I really don't see anything to debate.

CUSA 1.0- 1995
CUSA 2.0- 2005
CUSA 3.0- 2013
CUSA 4.0- 2023

As for the AAC/SB argument...

The AAC did grab markets, but there were other attributes they valued that SB fans want to ignore... All of the 6 new AAC additions have growing athletic budgets and are investing heavily in their facilities. And, the AAC added the teams that have won all of the football and basketball conference titles over the last few seasons.

The Sun Belt added a strong Marshall program, an unreliable ODU program, and a Southern Miss program that is living off the stories of their glory days.

Time will tell which conference had the better realignment strategy.

(08-20-2022 08:04 AM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  I really don't see anything to debate.

CUSA 1.0- 1995
CUSA 2.0- 2005
CUSA 3.0- 2013
CUSA 4.0- 2023

As for the AAC/SB argument...

The AAC did grab markets, but there were other attributes they valued that SB fans want to ignore... All of the 6 new AAC additions have growing athletic budgets and are investing heavily in their facilities. And, the AAC added the teams that have won all of the football and basketball conference titles over the last few seasons.

The Sun Belt added a strong Marshall program, an unreliable ODU program, and a Southern Miss program that is living off the stories of their glory days.

Time will tell which conference had the better realignment strategy.

Great post, straight to the point and correct.

(08-20-2022 08:04 AM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  I really don't see anything to debate.

CUSA 1.0- 1995
CUSA 2.0- 2005
CUSA 3.0- 2013
CUSA 4.0- 2023

You answered the first question.

What version of 3.0 are we entering right now?

(08-20-2022 09:10 AM)dawgonit Wrote:  

(08-20-2022 08:04 AM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  I really don't see anything to debate.

CUSA 1.0- 1995
CUSA 2.0- 2005
CUSA 3.0- 2013
CUSA 4.0- 2023

You answered the first question.

What version of 3.0 are we entering right now?

I see no reason for any special distinction for the 2022 season. We didn't create a unique distinction for 3.0 when we played without UAB for a few seasons, or when ODU sat out for COVID. 4.0 just starts when the new programs begin playing schedules in 2023. It's all fairly easy and logical in my opinion.

Cusa 1.0 — the hope era
CUSA 2.0 — the aspiration era
Cusa 3.0 — the regrouping era
Cusa 4.0 the survival era

(08-18-2022 02:26 PM)#1 pick Wrote:  As a general College sports fan, I used to see the CUSA 1.0 as a really good Basketball conference with some good football teams. Basically similar to what the American conference is today but with better Basketball.

CUSA 2.0 took a major drop Basketball wise but football didn't really drop off much if at all.

CUSA 3.0 is bad. Basketball isn't good at all. Football is below average and maybe a tier better than the Missouri Valley but even that is questionable and Missouri Valley is superior in Basketball.

CUSA 4.0 looks horrible so far but we will see what Judy does. She has a lot of options and she has the media deal that she's working on right now. So much is depending on what the B1G does, Pac 12 does, and it's a trickle down effect after that.

Fair assessment, I think you’re losing people saying MVC is better or comparable. I don’t think don’t think average fan could name a team in the MVC. I assume Jacksonville State is/was?

CUSA is bad and getting worse though, but it’s because we’re adding teams from worse conferences.

(08-20-2022 04:23 PM)DawgsWin Wrote:  

(08-18-2022 02:26 PM)#1 pick Wrote:  As a general College sports fan, I used to see the CUSA 1.0 as a really good Basketball conference with some good football teams. Basically similar to what the American conference is today but with better Basketball.

CUSA 2.0 took a major drop Basketball wise but football didn't really drop off much if at all.

CUSA 3.0 is bad. Basketball isn't good at all. Football is below average and maybe a tier better than the Missouri Valley but even that is questionable and Missouri Valley is superior in Basketball.

CUSA 4.0 looks horrible so far but we will see what Judy does. She has a lot of options and she has the media deal that she's working on right now. So much is depending on what the B1G does, Pac 12 does, and it's a trickle down effect after that.

Fair assessment, I think you’re losing people saying MVC is better or comparable. I don’t think don’t think average fan could name a team in the MVC. I assume Jacksonville State is/was?

CUSA is bad and getting worse though, but it’s because we’re adding teams from worse conferences.

Missouri Valley Conference is the best FCS conference and a top 10 Basketball conference via the NCAA metrics.

(08-20-2022 04:23 PM)DawgsWin Wrote:  

(08-18-2022 02:26 PM)#1 pick Wrote:  As a general College sports fan, I used to see the CUSA 1.0 as a really good Basketball conference with some good football teams. Basically similar to what the American conference is today but with better Basketball.

CUSA 2.0 took a major drop Basketball wise but football didn't really drop off much if at all.

CUSA 3.0 is bad. Basketball isn't good at all. Football is below average and maybe a tier better than the Missouri Valley but even that is questionable and Missouri Valley is superior in Basketball.

CUSA 4.0 looks horrible so far but we will see what Judy does. She has a lot of options and she has the media deal that she's working on right now. So much is depending on what the B1G does, Pac 12 does, and it's a trickle down effect after that.

Fair assessment, I think you’re losing people saying MVC is better or comparable. I don’t think don’t think average fan could name a team in the MVC. I assume Jacksonville State is/was?

CUSA is bad and getting worse though, but it’s because we’re adding teams from worse conferences.

Best thing to do is just ignore him. Some people just live in a fairytale.

(08-18-2022 03:30 PM)#1 pick Wrote:  

(08-18-2022 02:29 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(08-18-2022 02:26 PM)#1 pick Wrote:  As a general College sports fan, I used to see the CUSA 1.0 as a really good Basketball conference with some good football teams. Basically similar to what the American conference is today but with better Basketball.

CUSA 2.0 took a major drop Basketball wise but football didn't really drop off much if at all.

CUSA 3.0 is bad. Basketball isn't good at all. Football is below average and maybe a tier better than the Missouri Valley but even that is questionable and Missouri Valley is superior in Basketball.

CUSA 4.0 looks horrible so far but we will see what Judy does. She has a lot of options and she has the media deal that she's working on right now. So much is depending on what the B1G does, Pac 12 does, and it's a trickle down effect after that.

Trolling is not looked upon approvingly here, especially from those with little to no knowledge of athletics outside their small school world.

How the hell is what I wrote is trolling? I just expressed my opinion based on my years of watching college sports.

So you are saying that when Marquette had Diener and Wade and made it to the Final Four that the CUSA wasn't an excellent Basketball conference.

Some of you guys need to get a grip.

I actually have hosted shows and podcasts in college sports with a good reputation. I don't know what you are used to but people listen and believe what I say.

I need for you to show me this trolling you accuse me of or else you just didn't like what I said and are deeply into your feelings for reasons no one can explain.

Don't ever accuse me of trolling again without an clear explanation.

You're a troller. No explanation needed.

(08-20-2022 04:23 PM)DawgsWin Wrote:  

(08-18-2022 02:26 PM)#1 pick Wrote:  As a general College sports fan, I used to see the CUSA 1.0 as a really good Basketball conference with some good football teams. Basically similar to what the American conference is today but with better Basketball.

CUSA 2.0 took a major drop Basketball wise but football didn't really drop off much if at all.

CUSA 3.0 is bad. Basketball isn't good at all. Football is below average and maybe a tier better than the Missouri Valley but even that is questionable and Missouri Valley is superior in Basketball.

CUSA 4.0 looks horrible so far but we will see what Judy does. She has a lot of options and she has the media deal that she's working on right now. So much is depending on what the B1G does, Pac 12 does, and it's a trickle down effect after that.

Fair assessment, I think you’re losing people saying MVC is better or comparable. I don’t think don’t think average fan could name a team in the MVC. I assume Jacksonville State is/was?

CUSA is bad and getting worse though, but it’s because we’re adding teams from worse conferences.

I don't think it was a fair assessment at all. CUSA 3.0 basketball is okay while football is decent (parity at least) but it's definitely not on the level of CUSA 1.0 and 2.0. I actually believe CUSA 4.0 can be better than 3.0 especially in basketball and honestly football can be good now that the conference got rid of several bottom feeders. Liberty, UTEP, La Tech, WKU and MTSU can make for a nice football setup. The potential is definitely there and not as dire as some of you are making it to be.

(08-20-2022 04:23 PM)DawgsWin Wrote:  

(08-18-2022 02:26 PM)#1 pick Wrote:  As a general College sports fan, I used to see the CUSA 1.0 as a really good Basketball conference with some good football teams. Basically similar to what the American conference is today but with better Basketball.

CUSA 2.0 took a major drop Basketball wise but football didn't really drop off much if at all.

CUSA 3.0 is bad. Basketball isn't good at all. Football is below average and maybe a tier better than the Missouri Valley but even that is questionable and Missouri Valley is superior in Basketball.

CUSA 4.0 looks horrible so far but we will see what Judy does. She has a lot of options and she has the media deal that she's working on right now. So much is depending on what the B1G does, Pac 12 does, and it's a trickle down effect after that.

Fair assessment, I think you’re losing people saying MVC is better or comparable. I don’t think don’t think average fan could name a team in the MVC. I assume Jacksonville State is/was?

CUSA is bad and getting worse though, but it’s because we’re adding teams from worse conferences.

Yes, I can name all of the MVC football teams.

MVC is not better than CUSA or SBC or MAC or AAC or MWC. NDSU might be better than any team in any of those conferences. SDSU would be competitive a the top. Then the fall our starts, ND and a few others are good FCS teams but not better than teams in any of the above league. Yes they could win some games but not close to winning every weekend. SHSU just won a recent NC so if no one considers them to be anywhere near the top of CUSA next year its hard to believe MVC would be better as a whole. Liberty is without question above teams in the MVC. Looking at NMSU performance against their schedule last season it would be hard to believe they would not be at the top of the MVC. JSU would be at the top part of the MVC. FIU, I dont have enough knowledge to give them a slot but one team doesnt pull the whole conference down on avg.

I was comparing to next years CUSA and other conferences.

As most already know, I disagree with the CUSA is bad and getting worse. If JSU pulls it weight CUSA will be better in the future. Yes your losing UAB and UTSA but the 4 being added have potential to move the needle up.

(08-20-2022 04:39 PM)#1 pick Wrote:  

(08-20-2022 04:23 PM)DawgsWin Wrote:  

(08-18-2022 02:26 PM)#1 pick Wrote:  As a general College sports fan, I used to see the CUSA 1.0 as a really good Basketball conference with some good football teams. Basically similar to what the American conference is today but with better Basketball.

CUSA 2.0 took a major drop Basketball wise but football didn't really drop off much if at all.

CUSA 3.0 is bad. Basketball isn't good at all. Football is below average and maybe a tier better than the Missouri Valley but even that is questionable and Missouri Valley is superior in Basketball.

CUSA 4.0 looks horrible so far but we will see what Judy does. She has a lot of options and she has the media deal that she's working on right now. So much is depending on what the B1G does, Pac 12 does, and it's a trickle down effect after that.

Fair assessment, I think you’re losing people saying MVC is better or comparable. I don’t think don’t think average fan could name a team in the MVC. I assume Jacksonville State is/was?

CUSA is bad and getting worse though, but it’s because we’re adding teams from worse conferences.

Missouri Valley Conference is the best FCS conference and a top 10 Basketball conference via the NCAA metrics.

MVC is the best FCS conference not much argument from most folks. No idea about basketball or any other sports. Did look it up and MVC is below CUSA, MWC and American. Barely outranked the SBC which isnt known for basketball. MVC has lost several good basketball teams in recent years and it not trending upward.
Baseball CUSA and the American are above MVC https://www.warrennolan.com/baseball/202...conference
Softball CUSA, AAC, MWC and SBC are above MVChttp://www.boydsworld.com/baseball/isr/d1s_conf_isr.html
MVC did beat CUSA in Womens basketball only AAC outranked MVC.

(08-21-2022 09:23 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(08-20-2022 04:39 PM)#1 pick Wrote:  

(08-20-2022 04:23 PM)DawgsWin Wrote:  

(08-18-2022 02:26 PM)#1 pick Wrote:  As a general College sports fan, I used to see the CUSA 1.0 as a really good Basketball conference with some good football teams. Basically similar to what the American conference is today but with better Basketball.

CUSA 2.0 took a major drop Basketball wise but football didn't really drop off much if at all.

CUSA 3.0 is bad. Basketball isn't good at all. Football is below average and maybe a tier better than the Missouri Valley but even that is questionable and Missouri Valley is superior in Basketball.

CUSA 4.0 looks horrible so far but we will see what Judy does. She has a lot of options and she has the media deal that she's working on right now. So much is depending on what the B1G does, Pac 12 does, and it's a trickle down effect after that.

Fair assessment, I think you’re losing people saying MVC is better or comparable. I don’t think don’t think average fan could name a team in the MVC. I assume Jacksonville State is/was?

CUSA is bad and getting worse though, but it’s because we’re adding teams from worse conferences.

Missouri Valley Conference is the best FCS conference and a top 10 Basketball conference via the NCAA metrics.

MVC is the best FCS conference not much argument from most folks. No idea about basketball or any other sports. Did look it up and MVC is below CUSA, MWC and American. Barely outranked the SBC which isnt known for basketball. MVC has lost several good basketball teams in recent years and it not trending upward.
Baseball CUSA and the American are above MVC https://www.warrennolan.com/baseball/202...conference
Softball CUSA, AAC, MWC and SBC are above MVChttp://www.boydsworld.com/baseball/isr/d1s_conf_isr.html
MVC did beat CUSA in Womens basketball only AAC outranked MVC.

https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2...conference