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RE: Noah Farrakhan - A Top College Player
(07-18-2022 08:10 AM)Miggy Wrote:  
(07-18-2022 07:59 AM)RamyEMU Wrote:  
(07-18-2022 07:09 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Until Farrakhan does it, you can't mention him with Boykins. Boykins DOMINATED the MAC. End of story.

I am going to agree with Bob on this. We can theorize on who could be better, Earl vs Noah- that is the fun of these forums. But it should be clear we are talking about Noah’s potential and NOT current fact.

I guess facts are in the eye of the beholder.

At EMU his freshmen season, Earl Boykins averaged 12 5 ppg and shot 34 percent on three's. His sophomore year he averaged 15.5 points per game
and shot only 30 percent on three's. In both seasons, Boykins shot less than 47 percent on two's.

In Noah's first season at EMU, he averaged 16.4 ppg in conference play and shot 47 on 2's and 40 percent of three's. Clearly, Noah's stats are far better than Earl's at a comparable stage in their college careers.

I think we are getting some sense to this discussion.

The most obvious point which Miggy (and I would also make) is that many are comparing Boykins' career on a very, very good EMU team with a first year EMU player(actually 2nd year, with a pandemic in the way).

In that regard, Miggy is correct. Not fair to compare Noah's first year at EMU with Earl's 4th.

We'll see if Noah can up his game a notch or two. He'll have some good talent playing aside him so that will help space the floor and allow him to get more assists. Remember if Emoti runs the board and Noah sends a tremendous outlet pass, that's 2 points for Emoni and 1 assist for Noah. That works.

And BobW swoops down like an unguided missile and blasts away while I think most of us are not comparing the young Noah with the senior Earl in what could be described in a more reasoned discussed.
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RE: Noah Farrakhan - A Top College Player
(07-18-2022 09:10 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(07-18-2022 08:10 AM)Miggy Wrote:  
(07-18-2022 07:59 AM)RamyEMU Wrote:  
(07-18-2022 07:09 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Until Farrakhan does it, you can't mention him with Boykins. Boykins DOMINATED the MAC. End of story.

I am going to agree with Bob on this. We can theorize on who could be better, Earl vs Noah- that is the fun of these forums. But it should be clear we are talking about Noah’s potential and NOT current fact.

I guess facts are in the eye of the beholder.

At EMU his freshmen season, Earl Boykins averaged 12 5 ppg and shot 34 percent on three's. His sophomore year he averaged 15.5 points per game
and shot only 30 percent on three's. In both seasons, Boykins shot less than 47 percent on two's.

In Noah's first season at EMU, he averaged 16.4 ppg in conference play and shot 47 on 2's and 40 percent of three's. Clearly, Noah's stats are far better than Earl's at a comparable stage in their college careers.

I think we are getting some sense to this discussion.

The most obvious point which Miggy (and I would also make) is that many are comparing Boykins' career on a very, very good EMU team with a first year EMU player(actually 2nd year, with a pandemic in the way).

In that regard, Miggy is correct. Not fair to compare Noah's first year at EMU with Earl's 4th.

We'll see if Noah can up his game a notch or two. He'll have some good talent playing aside him so that will help space the floor and allow him to get more assists. Remember if Emoti runs the board and Noah sends a tremendous outlet pass, that's 2 points for Emoni and 1 assist for Noah. That works.

And BobW swoops down like an unguided missile and blasts away while I think most of us are not comparing the young Noah with the senior Earl in what could be described in a more reasoned discussed.

Spot on post!
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Noah is a highly motivated player. He loves playing basketball. He's not into receiving awards and was not effected in the least by not being named to any of the all-conference MAC teams. His motivation is to improve his game and help EMU win games.

Noah was ranked last season among the top five freshman PGs in the nation (Real GM). He was ranked second best PG behind Carry in the entire MAC.

It's fair to say Noah dominated the MAC last year, although EMU as a team played sub-par.

It also took Boykins 4 years to shoot three's at the same rate as Noah did his first season at EMU.

There's not doubt that Boykins was an outstanding player his senior year at EMU, and that he had a successful long career playing in the NBA.
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RE: Noah Farrakhan - A Top College Player
(07-18-2022 10:10 AM)Miggy Wrote:  Noah is a highly motivated player. He loves playing basketball. He's not into receiving awards and was not effected in the least by not being named to any of the all-conference MAC teams. His motivation is to improve his game and help EMU win games.

Noah was ranked last season among the top five freshman PGs in the nation (Real GM). He was ranked second best PG behind Carry in the entire MAC.

It's fair to say Noah dominated the MAC last year, although EMU as a team played sub-par.

It also took Boykins 4 years to shoot three's at the same rate as Noah did his first season at EMU.

There's not doubt that Boykins was an outstanding player his senior year at EMU, and that he had a successful long career playing in the NBA.
Earl was great for 4 years. You're looking at stat sheet but many of us saw the games. Trust our eyes.
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RE: Noah Farrakhan - A Top College Player
(07-18-2022 11:35 AM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  
(07-18-2022 10:10 AM)Miggy Wrote:  Noah is a highly motivated player. He loves playing basketball. He's not into receiving awards and was not effected in the least by not being named to any of the all-conference MAC teams. His motivation is to improve his game and help EMU win games.

Noah was ranked last season among the top five freshman PGs in the nation (Real GM). He was ranked second best PG behind Carry in the entire MAC.

It's fair to say Noah dominated the MAC last year, although EMU as a team played sub-par.

It also took Boykins 4 years to shoot three's at the same rate as Noah did his first season at EMU.

There's not doubt that Boykins was an outstanding player his senior year at EMU, and that he had a successful long career playing in the NBA.
Earl was great for 4 years. You're looking at stat sheet but many of us saw the games. Trust our eyes.

Eyes or no eyes, there's no way you can say Boykins in his first three seasons was a better scorer or shooter than Noah. Boykins didn't have a good 3-point shooting percentage till his senior season.

I'll grant you he made more assist and got to the foul-line more, but Noah was a better rebounder.

I love yesterday's bb as much as anyone, but today!s players put the ball in hoop in the basket from the outside at a much higher rate than in previous years.
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RE: Noah Farrakhan - A Top College Player
(07-18-2022 08:34 AM)Luckeyone Wrote:  
(07-18-2022 08:10 AM)Miggy Wrote:  
(07-18-2022 07:59 AM)RamyEMU Wrote:  
(07-18-2022 07:09 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Until Farrakhan does it, you can't mention him with Boykins. Boykins DOMINATED the MAC. End of story.

I am going to agree with Bob on this. We can theorize on who could be better, Earl vs Noah- that is the fun of these forums. But it should be clear we are talking about Noah’s potential and NOT current fact.

I guess facts are in the eye of the beholder.

At EMU his freshmen season, Earl Boykins averaged 12 5 ppg and shot 34 percent on three's. His sophomore year he averaged 15.5 points per game
and shot only 30 percent on three's. In both seasons, Boykins shot less than 47 percent on two's.

In Noah's first season at EMU, he averaged 16.4 ppg in conference play and shot 47 on 2's and 40 percent of three's. Clearly, Noah's stats are far better than Earl's at a comparable stage in their college careers.

All - I didn’t want to start a debate on who is better Earl or Noah because they played in different eras. One could argue that the MAC was tougher when Boykins played plus he was on a great team and didn’t have to score as much. One could argue Noah had more opportunity to score because his freshman team was young etc. we could counter than Noah drew double teams because his teammates were not a threat to score etc etc.

Bottom line Boykins won two MAC Championships, was captain and NBA player
Bottom line Noah Farrakhan has greater potential and we are spoiled to have one of the top Pgs in the country at EMU

Good post, Luckey. No need to compare, and as you say impossible to really compare. I think EMU is lucky to have and had both these guys at EMU. Remarkable talents.
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RE: Noah Farrakhan - A Top College Player
(07-18-2022 08:10 AM)Miggy Wrote:  
(07-18-2022 07:59 AM)RamyEMU Wrote:  
(07-18-2022 07:09 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Until Farrakhan does it, you can't mention him with Boykins. Boykins DOMINATED the MAC. End of story.

I am going to agree with Bob on this. We can theorize on who could be better, Earl vs Noah- that is the fun of these forums. But it should be clear we are talking about Noah’s potential and NOT current fact.

I guess facts are in the eye of the beholder.

At EMU his freshmen season, Earl Boykins averaged 12 5 ppg and shot 34 percent on three's. His sophomore year he averaged 15.5 points per game
and shot only 30 percent on three's. In both seasons, Boykins shot less than 47 percent on two's.

In Noah's first season at EMU, he averaged 16.4 ppg in conference play and shot 47 on 2's and 40 percent of three's. Clearly, Noah's stats are far better than Earl's at a comparable stage in their college careers.
Oh, I see. You are extrapolating the conference play stats--not even a full season--of a guy who played on a really bad team in a much inferior version of the MAC and comparing them to the leader of really good teams, who made others around him better and was a much better passer. Spoiler alert: Farrakhan won't come close to Earl's junior and senior numbers and more than likely won't sniff the NBA.
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RE: Noah Farrakhan - A Top College Player
(07-18-2022 06:45 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(07-18-2022 08:10 AM)Miggy Wrote:  
(07-18-2022 07:59 AM)RamyEMU Wrote:  
(07-18-2022 07:09 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Until Farrakhan does it, you can't mention him with Boykins. Boykins DOMINATED the MAC. End of story.

I am going to agree with Bob on this. We can theorize on who could be better, Earl vs Noah- that is the fun of these forums. But it should be clear we are talking about Noah’s potential and NOT current fact.

I guess facts are in the eye of the beholder.

At EMU his freshmen season, Earl Boykins averaged 12 5 ppg and shot 34 percent on three's. His sophomore year he averaged 15.5 points per game
and shot only 30 percent on three's. In both seasons, Boykins shot less than 47 percent on two's.

In Noah's first season at EMU, he averaged 16.4 ppg in conference play and shot 47 on 2's and 40 percent of three's. Clearly, Noah's stats are far better than Earl's at a comparable stage in their college careers.
Oh, I see. You are extrapolating the conference play stats--not even a full season--of a guy who played on a really bad team in a much inferior version of the MAC and comparing them to the leader of really good teams, who made others around him better and was a much better passer. Spoiler alert: Farrakhan won't come close to Earl's junior and senior numbers and more than likely won't sniff the NBA.

There are no conference stats for Boykin. I always prefer conference stats because by the time a team plays conference ball is because overall non-conference opponents as not as good as conference opponents, and a player has some experience under his belt. Of course, comparing Boykins to who played his freshman year in 1994 to Noah who played in 2021 has it's own slight statistical problems.

Also, I don't buy you're saying Noah played in "inferior version of the MAC"
than Boykins did. Quite confident that MAC players today shoot far better than MAC players did. As an example, His freshman season Noah shot far better on three's than Boykins did his first three seasons at EMU. I believe Noah also shot from a three-point line that is further from the hoop.

Noah passing was quite good when he slowed down in half court sets. Noah averaged 3.0 turnovers per game for the season, and 2.7 turnovers per game in conference play. He committed had fewer turnovers per game his freshmen year than Boykins did his junior year when he averaged 3.6 turnovers per game. So much for Boykins being a good passer than Noah.

If Noah shoots as many fga's as Boykins did his junior season when Boykins averaged 19 ppg, Noah can easily surpass that if he shoots the same number of fga's, as Boykins just shot just 30 percent on three's while Noah shot 40 percent on three's, and is one of the top three-point shooters in the country. Moreover, Noah will likely shoot a higher percentage this season, and wants to take more trips to the foul-line this season.

Noah has far more upside than Boykins had in similar stages of their careers, and his superior jump shooting proves that.
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RE: Noah Farrakhan - A Top College Player
(07-18-2022 07:09 PM)Miggy Wrote:  
(07-18-2022 06:45 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(07-18-2022 08:10 AM)Miggy Wrote:  
(07-18-2022 07:59 AM)RamyEMU Wrote:  
(07-18-2022 07:09 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Until Farrakhan does it, you can't mention him with Boykins. Boykins DOMINATED the MAC. End of story.

I am going to agree with Bob on this. We can theorize on who could be better, Earl vs Noah- that is the fun of these forums. But it should be clear we are talking about Noah’s potential and NOT current fact.

I guess facts are in the eye of the beholder.

At EMU his freshmen season, Earl Boykins averaged 12 5 ppg and shot 34 percent on three's. His sophomore year he averaged 15.5 points per game
and shot only 30 percent on three's. In both seasons, Boykins shot less than 47 percent on two's.

In Noah's first season at EMU, he averaged 16.4 ppg in conference play and shot 47 on 2's and 40 percent of three's. Clearly, Noah's stats are far better than Earl's at a comparable stage in their college careers.
Oh, I see. You are extrapolating the conference play stats--not even a full season--of a guy who played on a really bad team in a much inferior version of the MAC and comparing them to the leader of really good teams, who made others around him better and was a much better passer. Spoiler alert: Farrakhan won't come close to Earl's junior and senior numbers and more than likely won't sniff the NBA.

There are no conference stats for Boykin. I always prefer conference stats because by the time a team plays conference ball is because overall non-conference opponents as not as good as conference opponents, and a player has some experience under his belt. Of course, comparing Boykins to who played his freshman year in 1994 to Noah who played in 2021 has it's own slight statistical problems.

Also, I don't buy you're saying Noah played in "inferior version of the MAC"
than Boykins did. Quite confident that MAC players today shoot far better than MAC players did. As an example, His freshman season Noah shot far better on three's than Boykins did his first three seasons at EMU. I believe Noah also shot from a three-point line that is further from the hoop.

Noah passing was quite good when he slowed down in half court sets. Believe Noah had fewer turnovers per game his freshmen year than Boykins did his junior year.

If Noah shoots as much as Boykins did he easily average the 19 ppg that oyjins did as Boykins just shot 30 percent on three's while Noah is one of the top three-point shooters in the country.

Noah has far more upside than Boykins had in similar stages of their careers, and his superior jump shooting proves that.
Wow! Farrakhan sounds like a sure fire first round prospect! Any theories on why his team was so bad or why he wasn't able to lead his teammates to respectability.
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RE: Noah Farrakhan - A Top College Player
(07-18-2022 07:19 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(07-18-2022 07:09 PM)Miggy Wrote:  
(07-18-2022 06:45 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(07-18-2022 08:10 AM)Miggy Wrote:  
(07-18-2022 07:59 AM)RamyEMU Wrote:  I am going to agree with Bob on this. We can theorize on who could be better, Earl vs Noah- that is the fun of these forums. But it should be clear we are talking about Noah’s potential and NOT current fact.

I guess facts are in the eye of the beholder.

At EMU his freshmen season, Earl Boykins averaged 12 5 ppg and shot 34 percent on three's. His sophomore year he averaged 15.5 points per game
and shot only 30 percent on three's. In both seasons, Boykins shot less than 47 percent on two's.

In Noah's first season at EMU, he averaged 16.4 ppg in conference play and shot 47 on 2's and 40 percent of three's. Clearly, Noah's stats are far better than Earl's at a comparable stage in their college careers.
Oh, I see. You are extrapolating the conference play stats--not even a full season--of a guy who played on a really bad team in a much inferior version of the MAC and comparing them to the leader of really good teams, who made others around him better and was a much better passer. Spoiler alert: Farrakhan won't come close to Earl's junior and senior numbers and more than likely won't sniff the NBA.

There are no conference stats for Boykin. I always prefer conference stats because by the time a team plays conference ball is because overall non-conference opponents as not as good as conference opponents, and a player has some experience under his belt. Of course, comparing Boykins to who played his freshman year in 1994 to Noah who played in 2021 has it's own slight statistical problems.

Also, I don't buy you're saying Noah played in an "inferior version of the MAC" than Boykins did. Quite confident that MAC players today shoot far better than MAC players did when Boykins played in the 90's. As an example, in Noah's freshman season he shot far better on three's than Boykins did his first three seasons at EMU. I believe Noah also shot from a three-point line that is further from the hoop.

Noah passing was quite good when he slowed down in half court sets. Believe Noah had fewer turnovers per game his freshmen year than Boykins did his junior year.

If Noah shoots as much as Boykins did he easily average the 19 ppg that oyjins did as Boykins just shot 30 percent on three's while Noah is one of the top three-point shooters in the country.

Noah has far more upside than Boykins had in similar stages of their careers, and his superior jump shooting proves that.

Wow! Farrakhan sounds like a sure fire first round prospect! Any theories on why his team was so bad or why he wasn't able to lead his teammates to respectability.

We'll see. There's a big jump from playing against college players to playing against NBA players. At least he's getting experience playing in a pro system. Hope you're rooting for him.

One player couldn't do it by himself last season. EMU's bad offensive conference play starts with Njie not being able to catch the ball and committing turnovers and fouls at an alarming rate, and EMU getting little production from other backcourt players.
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RE: Noah Farrakhan - A Top College Player
(07-18-2022 07:09 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Until Farrakhan does it, you can't mention him with Boykins. Boykins DOMINATED the MAC. End of story.

Exactly. I don’t like making player comparisons in general (because someone always ends up getting slighted), but this one is absurd at this point.

NF’s offensive efficiency last year was nine percentage points lower than that of an average college basketball player. Boykins was an EMU HoFer and was responsible for regular and post-season greatness. NF is closer to Ray Lee at this point in his career, although I have high hopes for him, and am glad he stuck around.
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RE: Noah Farrakhan - A Top College Player
(07-18-2022 08:10 AM)Miggy Wrote:  
(07-18-2022 07:59 AM)RamyEMU Wrote:  
(07-18-2022 07:09 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Until Farrakhan does it, you can't mention him with Boykins. Boykins DOMINATED the MAC. End of story.

I am going to agree with Bob on this. We can theorize on who could be better, Earl vs Noah- that is the fun of these forums. But it should be clear we are talking about Noah’s potential and NOT current fact.

I guess facts are in the eye of the beholder.

At EMU his freshmen season, Earl Boykins averaged 12 5 ppg and shot 34 percent on three's. His sophomore year he averaged 15.5 points per game
and shot only 30 percent on three's. In both seasons, Boykins shot less than 47 percent on two's.

In Noah's first season at EMU, he averaged 16.4 ppg in conference play and shot 47 on 2's and 40 percent of three's. Clearly, Noah's stats are far better than Earl's at a comparable stage in their college careers.

You know better than this. I appreciate your loyalty to your guy, but your stat selection is bringing your objectivity into question.
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RE: Noah Farrakhan - A Top College Player
(07-18-2022 07:30 PM)Miggy Wrote:  
(07-18-2022 07:19 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(07-18-2022 07:09 PM)Miggy Wrote:  
(07-18-2022 06:45 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(07-18-2022 08:10 AM)Miggy Wrote:  I guess facts are in the eye of the beholder.

At EMU his freshmen season, Earl Boykins averaged 12 5 ppg and shot 34 percent on three's. His sophomore year he averaged 15.5 points per game
and shot only 30 percent on three's. In both seasons, Boykins shot less than 47 percent on two's.

In Noah's first season at EMU, he averaged 16.4 ppg in conference play and shot 47 on 2's and 40 percent of three's. Clearly, Noah's stats are far better than Earl's at a comparable stage in their college careers.
Oh, I see. You are extrapolating the conference play stats--not even a full season--of a guy who played on a really bad team in a much inferior version of the MAC and comparing them to the leader of really good teams, who made others around him better and was a much better passer. Spoiler alert: Farrakhan won't come close to Earl's junior and senior numbers and more than likely won't sniff the NBA.

There are no conference stats for Boykin. I always prefer conference stats because by the time a team plays conference ball is because overall non-conference opponents as not as good as conference opponents, and a player has some experience under his belt. Of course, comparing Boykins to who played his freshman year in 1994 to Noah who played in 2021 has it's own slight statistical problems.

Also, I don't buy you're saying Noah played in an "inferior version of the MAC" than Boykins did. Quite confident that MAC players today shoot far better than MAC players did when Boykins played in the 90's. As an example, in Noah's freshman season he shot far better on three's than Boykins did his first three seasons at EMU. I believe Noah also shot from a three-point line that is further from the hoop.

Noah passing was quite good when he slowed down in half court sets. Believe Noah had fewer turnovers per game his freshmen year than Boykins did his junior year.

If Noah shoots as much as Boykins did he easily average the 19 ppg that oyjins did as Boykins just shot 30 percent on three's while Noah is one of the top three-point shooters in the country.

Noah has far more upside than Boykins had in similar stages of their careers, and his superior jump shooting proves that.

Wow! Farrakhan sounds like a sure fire first round prospect! Any theories on why his team was so bad or why he wasn't able to lead his teammates to respectability.

We'll see. There's a big jump from playing against college players to playing against NBA players. At least he's getting experience playing in a pro system. Hope you're rooting for him.

One player couldn't do it by himself last season. EMU's bad offensive conference play starts with Njie not being able to catch the ball and committing turnovers and fouls at an alarming rate, and EMU getting little production from other backcourt players.
Definitely rooting for him. Everyone here deserves to see Eastern great in basketball. It is really fun seeing the campus come alive. I've been spoiled with some really good EMU basketball through the years. I want everyone to experience it.
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RE: Noah Farrakhan - A Top College Player
(07-18-2022 07:30 PM)Miggy Wrote:  
(07-18-2022 07:19 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(07-18-2022 07:09 PM)Miggy Wrote:  
(07-18-2022 06:45 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(07-18-2022 08:10 AM)Miggy Wrote:  I guess facts are in the eye of the beholder.

At EMU his freshmen season, Earl Boykins averaged 12 5 ppg and shot 34 percent on three's. His sophomore year he averaged 15.5 points per game
and shot only 30 percent on three's. In both seasons, Boykins shot less than 47 percent on two's.

In Noah's first season at EMU, he averaged 16.4 ppg in conference play and shot 47 on 2's and 40 percent of three's. Clearly, Noah's stats are far better than Earl's at a comparable stage in their college careers.
Oh, I see. You are extrapolating the conference play stats--not even a full season--of a guy who played on a really bad team in a much inferior version of the MAC and comparing them to the leader of really good teams, who made others around him better and was a much better passer. Spoiler alert: Farrakhan won't come close to Earl's junior and senior numbers and more than likely won't sniff the NBA.

There are no conference stats for Boykin. I always prefer conference stats because by the time a team plays conference ball is because overall non-conference opponents as not as good as conference opponents, and a player has some experience under his belt. Of course, comparing Boykins to who played his freshman year in 1994 to Noah who played in 2021 has it's own slight statistical problems.

Also, I don't buy you're saying Noah played in an "inferior version of the MAC" than Boykins did. Quite confident that MAC players today shoot far better than MAC players did when Boykins played in the 90's. As an example, in Noah's freshman season he shot far better on three's than Boykins did his first three seasons at EMU. I believe Noah also shot from a three-point line that is further from the hoop.

Noah passing was quite good when he slowed down in half court sets. Believe Noah had fewer turnovers per game his freshmen year than Boykins did his junior year.

If Noah shoots as much as Boykins did he easily average the 19 ppg that oyjins did as Boykins just shot 30 percent on three's while Noah is one of the top three-point shooters in the country.

Noah has far more upside than Boykins had in similar stages of their careers, and his superior jump shooting proves that.

Wow! Farrakhan sounds like a sure fire first round prospect! Any theories on why his team was so bad or why he wasn't able to lead his teammates to respectability.

We'll see. There's a big jump from playing against college players to playing against NBA players. At least he's getting experience playing in a pro system. Hope you're rooting for him.

One player couldn't do it by himself last season. EMU's bad offensive conference play starts with Njie not being able to catch the ball and committing turnovers and fouls at an alarming rate, and EMU getting little production from other backcourt players.

Well said Miggy!!

Bob just likes to troll EMU posters.

Noah will improve his assists because he will actually have players who can receive the ball and make a basket (Emoni and Acuff) this season vs (McBride and Spottsville) last season. I also expect Noah’s 3 pt fg percentage to increase this season. Last year Noah had to do unbelievable and difficult jump shots because he was often the only outside threat and still shot very well.

Looking forward to watching Noah a future NBA Pg play this season.
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(07-18-2022 08:58 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  
(07-18-2022 07:30 PM)Miggy Wrote:  
(07-18-2022 07:19 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(07-18-2022 07:09 PM)Miggy Wrote:  
(07-18-2022 06:45 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Oh, I see. You are extrapolating the conference play stats--not even a full season--of a guy who played on a really bad team in a much inferior version of the MAC and comparing them to the leader of really good teams, who made others around him better and was a much better passer. Spoiler alert: Farrakhan won't come close to Earl's junior and senior numbers and more than likely won't sniff the NBA.

There are no conference stats for Boykin. I always prefer conference stats because by the time a team plays conference ball is because overall non-conference opponents as not as good as conference opponents, and a player has some experience under his belt. Of course, comparing Boykins to who played his freshman year in 1994 to Noah who played in 2021 has it's own slight statistical problems.

Also, I don't buy you're saying Noah played in an "inferior version of the MAC" than Boykins did. Quite confident that MAC players today shoot far better than MAC players did when Boykins played in the 90's. As an example, in Noah's freshman season he shot far better on three's than Boykins did his first three seasons at EMU. I believe Noah also shot from a three-point line that is further from the hoop.

Noah passing was quite good when he slowed down in half court sets. Believe Noah had fewer turnovers per game his freshmen year than Boykins did his junior year.

If Noah shoots as much as Boykins did he easily average the 19 ppg that oyjins did as Boykins just shot 30 percent on three's while Noah is one of the top three-point shooters in the country.

Noah has far more upside than Boykins had in similar stages of their careers, and his superior jump shooting proves that.

Wow! Farrakhan sounds like a sure fire first round prospect! Any theories on why his team was so bad or why he wasn't able to lead his teammates to respectability.

We'll see. There's a big jump from playing against college players to playing against NBA players. At least he's getting experience playing in a pro system. Hope you're rooting for him.

One player couldn't do it by himself last season. EMU's bad offensive conference play starts with Njie not being able to catch the ball and committing turnovers and fouls at an alarming rate, and EMU getting little production from other backcourt players.

Well said Miggy!!

Bob just likes to troll EMU posters.

Noah will improve his assists because he will actually have players who can receive the ball and make a basket (Emoni and Acuff) this season vs (McBride and Spottsville) last season. I also expect Noah’s 3 pt fg percentage to increase this season. Last year Noah had to do unbelievable and difficult jump shots because he was often the only outside threat and still shot very well.

Looking forward to watching Noah a future NBA Pg play this season.
I believe you are in the minority here but whatever, people with perspective who disagree must be trolling. Just a really odd take but not entirely surprising. You had some whoppers last season.
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I am siding with Bob on this one. Earl was a successful college player and a successful NBA player. And he did so at 5’5”. That takes amazing skill. I think we are all rooting for Noah to exceed Boykins accomplishments- Bob included. But it has not happened yet.
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Boykins was a pretty good college player his freshman year and a great college player after that. He lived at the line and his mid range game by his junior year was pretty much unstoppable. He was also very clean with the rock and could control pace and tempo. Those were great EMU teams in a stronger MAC (we had lottery picks most years that Boykins was playing. Then, he went on to play in the NBA for a decade AT 5-6 145 !!!

Farrakhan is a talented player. He was inconsistent as a 2nd year college guy, but definitely showed some game and ability. I'll have to see him 1) lead a team to a lot of wins and 2) be more reliable as a ballhandler and defender, before I'd put accolades on him. Looks like he's very capable of getting there. The skills are mostly in place and I like his temperament. I'd say he was the league's 4th best all around PG last year after Dennis, Carry, and Sears. He'll have a chance to move up that list this season.
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(07-19-2022 01:12 AM)pono Wrote:  Boykins was a pretty good college player his freshman year and a great college player after that. He lived at the line and his mid range game by his junior year was pretty much unstoppable. He was also very clean with the rock and could control pace and tempo. Those were great EMU teams in a stronger MAC (we had lottery picks most years that Boykins was playing. Then, he went on to play in the NBA for a decade AT 5-6 145 !!!

Farrakhan is a talented player. He was inconsistent as a 2nd year college guy, but definitely showed some game and ability. I'll have to see him 1) lead a team to a lot of wins and 2) be more reliable as a ballhandler and defender, before I'd put accolades on him. Looks like he's very capable of getting there. The skills are mostly in place and I like his temperament. I'd say he was the league's 4th best all around PG last year after Dennis, Carry, and Sears. He'll have a chance to move up that list this season.

It's fine for you to have your favorite MAC PGs, but statistically Real GM has Noah is rated number 2nd best all-around PG in the MAC behind Carry, and number 1 when based on either per minute or 40 minute stats.

One shouldn't forget that Noah in his first game at nationally-ranked Indiana, scored 18-points shooting 3-5 on three's, as he led EMU to outscoring Indiana 43-32 in the second-half.

His three-point shooting was consistent all season as he shot 40.8 percent on three's. Noah finished the season strong as he shot a whopping 60.6 percent on two's (40-66), and 57 percent on three's (8-14) in three of his last four conference games.

Boykins had a good college career, but only shot as well as Noah his senior year.

He had a nice NBA career coming off the bench averaging 19 mpg and 8.9 ppg. He was primarily a three-point shooter. In his NBA career he shot 43.7 on two's and 34.7 on three's which was fine when he played.

Noah has great handles, is a far better shooter, and has far more upside. If he makes the NBA, he won't be coming off the bench for long.

Noah had the same freshmen season 3-point shooting percentage stat, and comparable assist stats to Steph Curry's freshmen season at Davidson. That's who we should be comparing Noah to, not Earl Boykins. I say that with no disrespect to Earl Boykins who was/ very good player in his era.
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(07-18-2022 10:17 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  I am siding with Bob on this one. Earl was a successful college player and a successful NBA player. And he did so at 5’5”. That takes amazing skill. I think we are all rooting for Noah to exceed Boykins accomplishments- Bob included. But it has not happened yet.
Well said and right on the money.
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Imagine cherry picking 3 point shooting in conference play as the reason why a young player, whom we all love, is better than a school legend that’s in our rafters.

I have high hopes for Noah, but you’re setting him up for slander when you make bizarre claims like that, especially when you didn’t watch Earl in college at all. And stop using his NBA numbers. They mean absolutely nothing when talking about college careers.
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