Screw this OSU troll.

Here's a dose of reality. OSU has reached their peak. Their brand is as good as it will ever be. They now have to rely on themselves rather than sucking on Texas or OU's nutsack to be relevant. Schools like UCF and UC will pass dinosaurs like OSU. It'll be like watching a Ferrari pass a horse drawn Amish **** wagon. In ten years, OSU will be sucking on UC and UCF's nutsack to remain relevant. The only difference is whose nutsack is getting the tongue massage. Get used to your new "normal," and from now on keep UCF's name out of your mouth. You can just call us "DADDY."

Don't feel bad little OSU troll. I said the exact same thing when UCF was in CUSA and usf was in the Big East. Now look where each program was and IS.

Oklahoma State has really good athletics and almost always fields a solid football team. I don’t see them sliding much, if any, because they’ll still be able to recruit Texas well. Don’t be a hater of a school due to one poster who might not even be an oSu fan.

(07-14-2022 10:14 AM)Johnny Incognito Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 10:13 AM)Johnny Incognito Wrote:  

(07-13-2022 07:12 PM)okiestate1979 Wrote:  

(07-13-2022 07:06 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(07-13-2022 06:44 PM)okiestate1979 Wrote:  because they looked at the bigten/sec and said "hey look at that money". Of course they aren't the bigten/sec so that money never came about or won't come about. And that very much applies to the big12s case as well.

Another point about the bigten and sec is that these two conferences have tight connections within their conferences. It truly is a connected conference feeling, which really boosts the chance of a network like those. In other words, a UGA fan in the atlanta suburbs very much cares about what is going on at Florida, Auburn, Bama, etc....

In this conference that is obviously not the case. I can guarantee you an oklahoma State fan in Oklahoma City or a Baylor fan in Houston doesn't give two craps about what is going on with UCF or Cincy or West virginia even. Well actually there are two programs in the current big 12 they may care a little about......Wanna take a guess at who those would be :)

Idk why you have such a hard on for the new teams but it’s reality.

of course....it's also reality that the landscape of college football is *very* fast changing and there is going to be a lot more shakeup in the next decade.

So if we were set to play UCF and Houston and Cincy for the next 30 years, I'd be worried. Fortunately they aren't even in the conference yet and by the time they do enter hopefully it won't be long after that until we are in another...(another conference which may not even exist now)

I wish you and your school the best of luck in getting accepted into the unicorn conference.

not sure why it would be a unicorn conference....it wouldn't be a novel development.

(07-14-2022 10:18 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  Screw this OSU troll.

Here's a dose of reality. OSU has reached their peak. Their brand is as good as it will ever be. They now have to rely on themselves rather than sucking on Texas or OU's nutsack to be relevant. Schools like UCF and UC will pass dinosaurs like OSU. It'll be like watching a Ferrari pass a horse drawn Amish **** wagon. In ten years, OSU will be sucking on UC and UCF's nutsack to remain relevant. The only difference is whose nutsack is getting the tongue massage. Get used to your new "normal," and from now on keep UCF's name out of your mouth. You can just call us "DADDY."

Don't feel bad little OSU troll. I said the exact same thing when UCF was in CUSA and usf was in the Big East. Now look where each program was and IS.

your vulgarity aside, I hate to break this to you but most fans nationwide consider UCF ad USF about the same in terms of "where each program was and is". They are just viewed as directional schools in florida, neither of which are in a major conference.

(07-14-2022 08:29 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(07-13-2022 07:15 PM)okiestate1979 Wrote:  My above post isn't even particularly negative. Or controversial. OkState and Baylor fans most certainly don't care about what's happening with programs like UCF or Cincy. That *doesn't* speak ill of those programs....there is just no reason we would want to follow what's going on there. Even when they actually join the conference that will be the case. I doubt they want to follow us either as we are not huge national names, not anywhere close to them, have no history with them, etc....

LOL! (Anyone else noted that this poster sounds EXACTLY like a certain OU poster? Seems obvious he picked an OSU name to troll)

Every Baylor fan knows about UCF and if you mentioned UCF to them...they will immediately think of this:

one bowl game awhile back doesn't cause great interest going forward many years later....Baylor has had a lot of bowl opponents over the years.

(07-14-2022 07:19 AM)Z-Fly Wrote:  Oklahoma State is second fiddle, in a state with less population than Kentucky. In all seriousness, why do you think OSU is so valuable? I mean I like Oklahoma State, and it's quirky head coach, but I've never considered it anything more than the teams you are beating up on.

well all the metrics we have suggest you are wrong. But to answer your question, I don't think it's 'so valuable'. I've mentioned many teams that we were left out of a power conference going forward for a reason- because we just weren't attractive enough to get in with OU. Now that said, such things are on a spectrum.....and my point is that all of the 'unwanted' for the power 2 conferences are not equal. Programs like Oklahoma State, Washington, Oregon, and some others(especially some in the ACC that may turn out to be unwanted as well) have viewing numbers and attendance numbers and football revenues that are at the top of the group. If we were 'so valuable' we would have been snatched up by the sec, but we have some value still.

(07-14-2022 10:28 AM)okiestate1979 Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 10:18 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  Screw this OSU troll.

Here's a dose of reality. OSU has reached their peak. Their brand is as good as it will ever be. They now have to rely on themselves rather than sucking on Texas or OU's nutsack to be relevant. Schools like UCF and UC will pass dinosaurs like OSU. It'll be like watching a Ferrari pass a horse drawn Amish **** wagon. In ten years, OSU will be sucking on UC and UCF's nutsack to remain relevant. The only difference is whose nutsack is getting the tongue massage. Get used to your new "normal," and from now on keep UCF's name out of your mouth. You can just call us "DADDY."

Don't feel bad little OSU troll. I said the exact same thing when UCF was in CUSA and usf was in the Big East. Now look where each program was and IS.

your vulgarity aside, I hate to break this to you but most fans nationwide consider UCF ad USF about the same in terms of "where each program was and is". They are just viewed as directional schools in florida, neither of which are in a major conference.

Your opinions don’t count as “most fans nationwide”.

(07-14-2022 10:35 AM)Johnny Incognito Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 10:28 AM)okiestate1979 Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 10:18 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  Screw this OSU troll.

Here's a dose of reality. OSU has reached their peak. Their brand is as good as it will ever be. They now have to rely on themselves rather than sucking on Texas or OU's nutsack to be relevant. Schools like UCF and UC will pass dinosaurs like OSU. It'll be like watching a Ferrari pass a horse drawn Amish **** wagon. In ten years, OSU will be sucking on UC and UCF's nutsack to remain relevant. The only difference is whose nutsack is getting the tongue massage. Get used to your new "normal," and from now on keep UCF's name out of your mouth. You can just call us "DADDY."

Don't feel bad little OSU troll. I said the exact same thing when UCF was in CUSA and usf was in the Big East. Now look where each program was and IS.

your vulgarity aside, I hate to break this to you but most fans nationwide consider UCF ad USF about the same in terms of "where each program was and is". They are just viewed as directional schools in florida, neither of which are in a major conference.

Your opinions don’t count as “most fans nationwide”.

I try to get a sense of general college football attitudes by surfing so many different forums. When you are a fan of one team, it's easy to get so locked in on what they are doing at a micro level that you don't appreciate the big picture on how they are viewed. It also helps to live in a deep sec state for perspective.....I can assure you fans here in Alabama dont appreciate any difference between UCF and USF. Even the ones who know UCF is in the big12 shortly don't as they don't view the big12 as a power conference without any major program(s) heading it.

And yes I'm also under no delusion about how Oklahoma State is valued nationally. I know the national concensus is that we weren't quite good enough as a program to get an invite when the tornado struck.

(07-14-2022 10:28 AM)okiestate1979 Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 10:18 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  Screw this OSU troll.

Here's a dose of reality. OSU has reached their peak. Their brand is as good as it will ever be. They now have to rely on themselves rather than sucking on Texas or OU's nutsack to be relevant. Schools like UCF and UC will pass dinosaurs like OSU. It'll be like watching a Ferrari pass a horse drawn Amish **** wagon. In ten years, OSU will be sucking on UC and UCF's nutsack to remain relevant. The only difference is whose nutsack is getting the tongue massage. Get used to your new "normal," and from now on keep UCF's name out of your mouth. You can just call us "DADDY."

Don't feel bad little OSU troll. I said the exact same thing when UCF was in CUSA and usf was in the Big East. Now look where each program was and IS.

your vulgarity aside, I hate to break this to you but most fans nationwide consider UCF ad USF about the same in terms of "where each program was and is". They are just viewed as directional schools in florida, neither of which are in a major conference.

That’s like saying Oklahoma and Oklahoma State are viewed the same nationally. What a stupid take.

(07-14-2022 10:43 AM)okiestate1979 Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 10:35 AM)Johnny Incognito Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 10:28 AM)okiestate1979 Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 10:18 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  Screw this OSU troll.

Here's a dose of reality. OSU has reached their peak. Their brand is as good as it will ever be. They now have to rely on themselves rather than sucking on Texas or OU's nutsack to be relevant. Schools like UCF and UC will pass dinosaurs like OSU. It'll be like watching a Ferrari pass a horse drawn Amish **** wagon. In ten years, OSU will be sucking on UC and UCF's nutsack to remain relevant. The only difference is whose nutsack is getting the tongue massage. Get used to your new "normal," and from now on keep UCF's name out of your mouth. You can just call us "DADDY."

Don't feel bad little OSU troll. I said the exact same thing when UCF was in CUSA and usf was in the Big East. Now look where each program was and IS.

your vulgarity aside, I hate to break this to you but most fans nationwide consider UCF ad USF about the same in terms of "where each program was and is". They are just viewed as directional schools in florida, neither of which are in a major conference.

Your opinions don’t count as “most fans nationwide”.

I try to get a sense of general college football attitudes by surfing so many different forums. When you are a fan of one team, it's easy to get so locked in on what they are doing at a micro level that you don't appreciate the big picture on how they are viewed. It also helps to live in a deep sec state for perspective.....I can assure you fans here in Alabama dont appreciate any difference between UCF and USF. Even the ones who know UCF is in the big12 shortly don't as they don't view the big12 as a power conference without any major program(s) heading it.

And yes I'm also under no delusion about how Oklahoma State is valued nationally. I know the national concensus is that we weren't quite good enough as a program to get an invite when the tornado struck.

If someone thinks USF and UCF were and are in the same place, then they’re not really fans are they? So “most fans nationally” comes back to only being your opinion.

(07-14-2022 10:35 AM)okiestate1979 Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 07:19 AM)Z-Fly Wrote:  Oklahoma State is second fiddle, in a state with less population than Kentucky. In all seriousness, why do you think OSU is so valuable? I mean I like Oklahoma State, and it's quirky head coach, but I've never considered it anything more than the teams you are beating up on.

well all the metrics we have suggest you are wrong. But to answer your question, I don't think it's 'so valuable'. I've mentioned many teams that we were left out of a power conference going forward for a reason- because we just weren't attractive enough to get in with OU. Now that said, such things are on a spectrum.....and my point is that all of the 'unwanted' for the power 2 conferences are not equal. Programs like Oklahoma State, Washington, Oregon, and some others(especially some in the ACC that may turn out to be unwanted as well) have viewing numbers and attendance numbers and football revenues that are at the top of the group. If we were 'so valuable' we would have been snatched up by the sec, but we have some value still.

Every conference has unequal value the members bring to the table.

ACC: Clemson/Florida St. vs Boston College/Syracuse

Big Ten: Ohio State/Michigan vs Illinois/Rutgers

Big 12: Appears to be most equal along with PAC. Think brand value and market value is a distinction you need to make. Oklahoma St. football brand likely offset by Houston's, Orlando, Cincy, BYU (religious national) market (even if said schools just snag a bit of said market) although only the networks know the true numbers.

With that said, I'd argue Baylor/Oklahoma St. have the best overall value but think your only valuing the brand when it comes to how the networks value said schools. Same reason you saw Big Ten grab UCLA over an Oregon along with academics. Did the Big Ten want Oregon market or to own the LA market? Crystal clear.

I also believe it was big for the Big 12 losing their foothold in Texas to expand into big markets

Pac 12: Pretty equal at this time as well, but yes Oregon/Washington are the top brands left.

SEC: Bama/Georgia vs. Mississippi St./Kentucky

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American: USF/Memphis vs. Tulsa/Tulane

MWC: Boise vs. Nevada

MAC: Ohio U vs. Kent State

C-USA: IDK

Sun Belt: IDK

It's not just about when those schools play but also having Houston, Orlando, Cincy, BYU (religious national) markets tuning in for other Big 12 games that will impact their respective school

(07-14-2022 10:48 AM)Johnny Incognito Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 10:43 AM)okiestate1979 Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 10:35 AM)Johnny Incognito Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 10:28 AM)okiestate1979 Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 10:18 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  Screw this OSU troll.

Here's a dose of reality. OSU has reached their peak. Their brand is as good as it will ever be. They now have to rely on themselves rather than sucking on Texas or OU's nutsack to be relevant. Schools like UCF and UC will pass dinosaurs like OSU. It'll be like watching a Ferrari pass a horse drawn Amish **** wagon. In ten years, OSU will be sucking on UC and UCF's nutsack to remain relevant. The only difference is whose nutsack is getting the tongue massage. Get used to your new "normal," and from now on keep UCF's name out of your mouth. You can just call us "DADDY."

Don't feel bad little OSU troll. I said the exact same thing when UCF was in CUSA and usf was in the Big East. Now look where each program was and IS.

your vulgarity aside, I hate to break this to you but most fans nationwide consider UCF ad USF about the same in terms of "where each program was and is". They are just viewed as directional schools in florida, neither of which are in a major conference.

Your opinions don’t count as “most fans nationwide”.

I try to get a sense of general college football attitudes by surfing so many different forums. When you are a fan of one team, it's easy to get so locked in on what they are doing at a micro level that you don't appreciate the big picture on how they are viewed. It also helps to live in a deep sec state for perspective.....I can assure you fans here in Alabama dont appreciate any difference between UCF and USF. Even the ones who know UCF is in the big12 shortly don't as they don't view the big12 as a power conference without any major program(s) heading it.

And yes I'm also under no delusion about how Oklahoma State is valued nationally. I know the national concensus is that we weren't quite good enough as a program to get an invite when the tornado struck.

If someone thinks USF and UCF were and are in the same place, then they’re not really fans are they? So “most fans nationally” comes back to only being your opinion.

sure they are....they aren't hard core USF and UCF fans. And it's true a lot of fans are going to remember UCF's undefeated season awhile back, but for many of them that doesn't change their overall perception of the program. They just view it as a great season for them.

A lot of this goes back to how a lot of people in this forum completely misrepresent how national fans are viewing the 'new' big12 right now.
With OU and Texas leaving it's not viewed as a major conference, and so a common perception is that UCF just shifted from one non-major conference to another non-major conference.

When Texas and OU leave the big 12, all these tv games with numbers in the 3 millions area(and more) just aren't going to be nearly as common. Over the last 5 years the majority of our games that did such numbers were against those two programs. And even the ones that did good numbers(like Baylor-Okstate title game) last year benefited greatly from those two teams being in the conference.

After texas and OU leave, the tv numbers are going to really plummet. From a direct and indirect consequence.

The first year UCF and Cincy or Houston and UCF play each other in the big12, pay close attention to the rating for that game. My prediction is that it will fall right at(adjusting for time and broadcast partners of course) the number those games have gotten the last few years. IOW, nationally people will just see it as "houston is playing UCF", not some event they are more likely to watch because houston and UCF are now under a different conference umbrella.

(07-14-2022 11:07 AM)okiestate1979 Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 10:48 AM)Johnny Incognito Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 10:43 AM)okiestate1979 Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 10:35 AM)Johnny Incognito Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 10:28 AM)okiestate1979 Wrote:  your vulgarity aside, I hate to break this to you but most fans nationwide consider UCF ad USF about the same in terms of "where each program was and is". They are just viewed as directional schools in florida, neither of which are in a major conference.

Your opinions don’t count as “most fans nationwide”.

I try to get a sense of general college football attitudes by surfing so many different forums. When you are a fan of one team, it's easy to get so locked in on what they are doing at a micro level that you don't appreciate the big picture on how they are viewed. It also helps to live in a deep sec state for perspective.....I can assure you fans here in Alabama dont appreciate any difference between UCF and USF. Even the ones who know UCF is in the big12 shortly don't as they don't view the big12 as a power conference without any major program(s) heading it.

And yes I'm also under no delusion about how Oklahoma State is valued nationally. I know the national concensus is that we weren't quite good enough as a program to get an invite when the tornado struck.

If someone thinks USF and UCF were and are in the same place, then they’re not really fans are they? So “most fans nationally” comes back to only being your opinion.

sure they are....they aren't hard core USF and UCF fans. And it's true a lot of fans are going to remember UCF's undefeated season awhile back, but for many of them that doesn't change their overall perception of the program. They just view it as a great season for them.

A lot of this goes back to how a lot of people in this forum completely misrepresent how national fans are viewing the 'new' big12 right now.
With OU and Texas leaving it's not viewed as a major conference, and so a common perception is that UCF just shifted from one non-major conference to another non-major conference.

When Texas and OU leave the big 12, all these tv games with numbers in the 3 millions area(and more) just aren't going to be nearly as common. Over the last 5 years the majority of our games that did such numbers were against those two programs. And even the ones that did good numbers(like Baylor-Okstate title game) last year benefited greatly from those two teams being in the conference.

After texas and OU leave, the tv numbers are going to really plummet. From a direct and indirect consequence.

The first year UCF and Cincy or Houston and UCF play each other in the big12, pay close attention to the rating for that game. My prediction is that it will fall right at(adjusting for time and broadcast partners of course) the number those games have gotten the last few years. IOW, nationally people will just see it as "houston is playing UCF", not some event they are more likely to watch because houston and UCF are now under a different conference umbrella.

So “most fans nationally” = dumb people.
Got it. Thanks for your opinion.

(07-14-2022 11:12 AM)Johnny Incognito Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 11:07 AM)okiestate1979 Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 10:48 AM)Johnny Incognito Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 10:43 AM)okiestate1979 Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 10:35 AM)Johnny Incognito Wrote:  Your opinions don’t count as “most fans nationwide”.

I try to get a sense of general college football attitudes by surfing so many different forums. When you are a fan of one team, it's easy to get so locked in on what they are doing at a micro level that you don't appreciate the big picture on how they are viewed. It also helps to live in a deep sec state for perspective.....I can assure you fans here in Alabama dont appreciate any difference between UCF and USF. Even the ones who know UCF is in the big12 shortly don't as they don't view the big12 as a power conference without any major program(s) heading it.

And yes I'm also under no delusion about how Oklahoma State is valued nationally. I know the national concensus is that we weren't quite good enough as a program to get an invite when the tornado struck.

If someone thinks USF and UCF were and are in the same place, then they’re not really fans are they? So “most fans nationally” comes back to only being your opinion.

sure they are....they aren't hard core USF and UCF fans. And it's true a lot of fans are going to remember UCF's undefeated season awhile back, but for many of them that doesn't change their overall perception of the program. They just view it as a great season for them.

A lot of this goes back to how a lot of people in this forum completely misrepresent how national fans are viewing the 'new' big12 right now.
With OU and Texas leaving it's not viewed as a major conference, and so a common perception is that UCF just shifted from one non-major conference to another non-major conference.

When Texas and OU leave the big 12, all these tv games with numbers in the 3 millions area(and more) just aren't going to be nearly as common. Over the last 5 years the majority of our games that did such numbers were against those two programs. And even the ones that did good numbers(like Baylor-Okstate title game) last year benefited greatly from those two teams being in the conference.

After texas and OU leave, the tv numbers are going to really plummet. From a direct and indirect consequence.

The first year UCF and Cincy or Houston and UCF play each other in the big12, pay close attention to the rating for that game. My prediction is that it will fall right at(adjusting for time and broadcast partners of course) the number those games have gotten the last few years. IOW, nationally people will just see it as "houston is playing UCF", not some event they are more likely to watch because houston and UCF are now under a different conference umbrella.

So “most fans nationally” = dumb people.
Got it. Thanks for your opinion.

This guy doesn’t get it. If a person is actually a fan of college football, they most certainly are aware of UCF’s success and usf’s suckage. It really isn’t that close in terms of value. This guy thinks that his ignorance and lack of logic is commonplace around CFB fans. It really isn’t.

(07-14-2022 10:18 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  Screw this OSU troll.

Here's a dose of reality. OSU has reached their peak. Their brand is as good as it will ever be. They now have to rely on themselves rather than sucking on Texas or OU's nutsack to be relevant. Schools like UCF and UC will pass dinosaurs like OSU. It'll be like watching a Ferrari pass a horse drawn Amish **** wagon. In ten years, OSU will be sucking on UC and UCF's nutsack to remain relevant. The only difference is whose nutsack is getting the tongue massage. Get used to your new "normal," and from now on keep UCF's name out of your mouth. You can just call us "DADDY."

Don't feel bad little OSU troll. I said the exact same thing when UCF was in CUSA and usf was in the Big East. Now look where each program was and IS.

Just stop.

(07-14-2022 10:43 AM)okiestate1979 Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 10:35 AM)Johnny Incognito Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 10:28 AM)okiestate1979 Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 10:18 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  Screw this OSU troll.

Here's a dose of reality. OSU has reached their peak. Their brand is as good as it will ever be. They now have to rely on themselves rather than sucking on Texas or OU's nutsack to be relevant. Schools like UCF and UC will pass dinosaurs like OSU. It'll be like watching a Ferrari pass a horse drawn Amish **** wagon. In ten years, OSU will be sucking on UC and UCF's nutsack to remain relevant. The only difference is whose nutsack is getting the tongue massage. Get used to your new "normal," and from now on keep UCF's name out of your mouth. You can just call us "DADDY."

Don't feel bad little OSU troll. I said the exact same thing when UCF was in CUSA and usf was in the Big East. Now look where each program was and IS.

your vulgarity aside, I hate to break this to you but most fans nationwide consider UCF ad USF about the same in terms of "where each program was and is". They are just viewed as directional schools in florida, neither of which are in a major conference.

Your opinions don’t count as “most fans nationwide”.

I try to get a sense of general college football attitudes by surfing so many different forums. When you are a fan of one team, it's easy to get so locked in on what they are doing at a micro level that you don't appreciate the big picture on how they are viewed. It also helps to live in a deep sec state for perspective.....I can assure you fans here in Alabama dont appreciate any difference between UCF and USF. Even the ones who know UCF is in the big12 shortly don't as they don't view the big12 as a power conference without any major program(s) heading it.

And yes I'm also under no delusion about how Oklahoma State is valued nationally. I know the national concensus is that we weren't quite good enough as a program to get an invite when the tornado struck.

UCF is the Fl school that is undefeated vs ALA.

(07-14-2022 10:25 AM)Johnny Incognito Wrote:  Oklahoma State has really good athletics and almost always fields a solid football team. I don’t see them sliding much, if any, because they’ll still be able to recruit Texas well. Don’t be a hater of a school due to one poster who might not even be an oSu fan.

Agreed, OSU has some very good and well-respected athletic programs. I'm just a "hater" of this random internet troll's ignorant "takes." Sometimes the use of hyperbole demonstrates the point more emphatically.

(07-14-2022 10:25 AM)Johnny Incognito Wrote:  Oklahoma State has really good athletics and almost always fields a solid football team. I don’t see them sliding much, if any, because they’ll still be able to recruit Texas well. Don’t be a hater of a school due to one poster who might not even be an oSu fan.

LOL yeaaa that's not true. SEC now has a bigger footprint in Texas and also UH is their peer now. They also lost their only in state rival. It's not looking good for them.

(07-14-2022 01:42 PM)Coogaholic Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 10:25 AM)Johnny Incognito Wrote:  Oklahoma State has really good athletics and almost always fields a solid football team. I don’t see them sliding much, if any, because they’ll still be able to recruit Texas well. Don’t be a hater of a school due to one poster who might not even be an oSu fan.

LOL yeaaa that's not true. SEC now has a bigger footprint in Texas and also UH is their peer now. They also lost their only in state rival. It's not looking good for them.

Not a very convincing argument. Seems more like that what you’re hoping for.

Couple flaws mentioned above - most college football fans does not mean most fans. Using the term wrong. Most fans are of a certain team, not college football as a whole. Of course Alabama or Ohio St fans don't know the different in the two Florida schools, they don't know anything other than their own team, maybe a few conference members and all assume their team is god's gift to football. To be fair, they also don't know any difference in Oklahoma St and UCF. Alabama fans probably know more on UCF than Ok St even. Most fans in the SEC and Big 10 are elitists and assume any school in their conference is far superior to any school they don't follow or know much about.

Fans of college football will know the difference in UCF and USF. I still remember back when all the USF fans were going on when USF was winning and making fun of UCF as never amounting to anything - funny how that ended up right now. That was when I first started to like UCF.