(07-10-2022 04:48 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-10-2022 04:23 PM)OrangeDude Wrote:  

(07-10-2022 04:09 PM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  [quote='JRsec' pid='18317047' dateline='1657474451']


Not non-zero. It would represent a cease-fire in the FOX-ESPN battle, punting the ACC question to another time.

Comes down to whether those ACC schools would be content.

Brutal for AZ and Cal, although does Cal care.

This is what I hope happens, but if it does the B1G and the SEC take a chance that Clemson's last decade was not a fluke, FSU and Miami both get back on track, UNC and/or NC State reach or nearly reach their full potential in football. Not to mention possible additions of WVU and Cincy to increase natural rivalries with Pitt, VT, and Louisville to make them all better than they have been over the past decade.

Are the B1G and the SEC willing to take their chances on what might happen if say the ACC is left alone until 2028 or 2029 or as far away as 2030? And more importantly is the scare of this recent realignment enough to motivate all or most of the ACC schools to invest in both football and NIL to the extent likely needed?

Again, what will be will be.

Cheers,
Neil

Have you been listening to old Doris Day songs? If so I prefer Sentimental Journey. A Sentimental Journey would be an old Southern Conference reunion.

Seriously Neil if the ACC is adamantly recalcitrant then yes, the SEC waits because there is no imminent B1G threat to creep into the SE. The B1G may as well wait as well because we will be busy assimilating a lot of new faces and working out the kinks. And the monetary difference would still make the possibility viable in 5-8 years.

When it comes to female singers I am much more a Judy Garland and Patsy Cline type of guy.

But I am trying to maintain my composure in the chaos since I can't control what will happen and that Que Sera Sera lyric is helpful in doing that. Zen helps too.

And once again I will acknowledge that your insight as to where this was all heading several years ago was extremely accurate.

But is there a reason why the ACC shouldn't be recalcitrant? Especially when streaming in sports might flip everything on its head over the next 5 to 10 years bringing in possibly even more powerful and wealthier interests than FOX and debt-ridden ESPN into the bidding process? Amazon $1B a year for the rights to the Thursday Night NFL game. Apple with it's $200M per year for ten years for Major League Soccer. As examples.

It may be a long shot, but back in 2012 and 2013 nearly everyone thought the ACC was dead in the water. They weren't. They even had slightly more success in the CFP than did the Big 10 and much more than the PAC or B12. Maybe this time they truly are indeed doomed. Time will tell.

But until it's definitive it just so happens the program that I follow is in the ACC and has extremely little chance of getting into one of the Power 2 conferences. So any indication that the threat isn't as imminent (2024) as some make it out to be and just might be delayed to 2028-2032 time frame is fine with me. I am sure you understand.

Cheers,
Neil

(07-11-2022 11:27 AM)OrangeDude Wrote:  

(07-10-2022 04:48 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-10-2022 04:23 PM)OrangeDude Wrote:  

(07-10-2022 04:09 PM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  [quote='JRsec' pid='18317047' dateline='1657474451']


Not non-zero. It would represent a cease-fire in the FOX-ESPN battle, punting the ACC question to another time.

Comes down to whether those ACC schools would be content.

Brutal for AZ and Cal, although does Cal care.

This is what I hope happens, but if it does the B1G and the SEC take a chance that Clemson's last decade was not a fluke, FSU and Miami both get back on track, UNC and/or NC State reach or nearly reach their full potential in football. Not to mention possible additions of WVU and Cincy to increase natural rivalries with Pitt, VT, and Louisville to make them all better than they have been over the past decade.

Are the B1G and the SEC willing to take their chances on what might happen if say the ACC is left alone until 2028 or 2029 or as far away as 2030? And more importantly is the scare of this recent realignment enough to motivate all or most of the ACC schools to invest in both football and NIL to the extent likely needed?

Again, what will be will be.

Cheers,
Neil

Have you been listening to old Doris Day songs? If so I prefer Sentimental Journey. A Sentimental Journey would be an old Southern Conference reunion.

Seriously Neil if the ACC is adamantly recalcitrant then yes, the SEC waits because there is no imminent B1G threat to creep into the SE. The B1G may as well wait as well because we will be busy assimilating a lot of new faces and working out the kinks. And the monetary difference would still make the possibility viable in 5-8 years.

When it comes to female singers I am much more a Judy Garland and Patsy Cline type of guy.

But I am trying to maintain my composure in the chaos since I can't control what will happen and that Que Sera Sera lyric is helpful in doing that. Zen helps too.

And once again I will acknowledge that your insight as to where this was all heading several years ago was extremely accurate.

But is there a reason why the ACC shouldn't be recalcitrant? Especially when streaming in sports might flip everything on its head over the next 5 to 10 years bringing in possibly even more powerful and wealthier interests than FOX and debt-ridden ESPN into the bidding process? Amazon $1B a year for the rights to the Thursday Night NFL game. Apple with it's $200M per year for ten years for Major League Soccer. As examples.

It may be a long shot, but back in 2012 and 2013 nearly everyone thought the ACC was dead in the water. They weren't. They even had slightly more success in the CFP than did the Big 10 and much more than the PAC or B12. Maybe this time they truly are indeed doomed. Time will tell.

But until it's definitive it just so happens the program that I follow is in the ACC and has extremely little chance of getting into one of the Power 2 conferences. So any indication that the threat isn't as imminent (2024) as some make it out to be and just might be delayed to 2028-2032 time frame is fine with me. I am sure you understand.

Cheers,
Neil

Hey, Patsy is #1 all time, what a voice! Anita O'Day was solidly edgy.

The only reason no school or conference should be recalcitrant is because beyond 2036 (when the oldest surviving Boomers are 90, those born in 56 are 80, and those born at the very tail, '62, are 74), any chance for future increases is essentially lost, and the game becomes regional, SE & SW and Ohio and Pennsylvania schools might look South to save a sport they love as well.

All of what is happening now is about this, and indirectly trying to save the NFL's quality.

IMO, the only play for the ACC, particularly the Old Big East schools, which could make a difference down the road is what Jay Bilas suggested a year ago, a merger of the two conferences. Eliminate Phillips, eliminate duplicated overhead, add one school, Kansas, bring ND in with an offer they can't refuse, and if they do bring in Colorado. Then within the conference pay everyone an ameliorated base media compensation (I'm thinking 65 million), with incentives for football ratings and football success which can bump that to 100 million combined or just 80 million if you hit one of the two metrics. This raises the desire to hit goals that count. Give the same incentives for basketball with a total up side 15 million more for reaching both metrics.

Now you have hoops schools which can hit 80 million and it doesn't impact football. And if Vandy and Wake and a couple of more just want base well they get 65 million.

You can adjust those dollar amounts up or down but the concept should allow the Alphas the targeted revenue they want while old associations with betas are kept.

And IMO this gives ESPN the markets they want, levels revenue advantage, and provides the cushion to absorb commercially less valued institutions. It should meet with network approval because it is more efficient, but once again it will take rigid academics into an unfamiliar place, which is an issue for that lot.